Wanted: USJ/SJ Community Police Critics.

[orchipalar]

From "Wheels for Cops"...http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...5&postcount=48

I criticise for good intentions. Don't get me wrong. I'm more than willing to donate for a good cause but to donate to something which less meaningful compared to SJ Crime Alert, I cast my doubts as long as questions remain unanswered.

Err...Dear Nina...are you suggesting that the SJ ALERT programme is less meaningful as well...what doubts do you still have...?

We cannot donate blindly and hope that it will be put to good use later. First, the police indicated there were lack of manpower & then lack of competent drivers. Little was mentioned about lack of vehicles during the dialogue (if I remembered correctly). Moreover, police vehicle which comes to my area in 3A does not even bother to cover the last few streets beyond the house equipped with police blue box. So, tell me if this is acceptable!

Err...as Orchi recalls NOBODY asked about how many vehicles the Police has for use...

The Police has admitted their shortcomings...n they have heard our concerns...why can't we work positively towards contributing to finding various ways...so that we could see some improvement from the Police...rather than harping n dwelling...on their weaknesses...?

Can Orchi get some positive assistance from you whenever we need residents like you to come forward with better n more valuable suggestions in our next or future projects...next time?

The existing Police patrol vehicles are also NOT put to full use (quoted from dialogue session - each patrol vehicle rests for 18 hrs due to lack of drivers).

Ahem Nina...the ADUN...community representatives n sponsors...have gone on record publicly in the recent press conference...to announce the vehicle donation campaign with the cooperations from the community Police...aren't you the least doubtful...why how they can substantiate their statistics to the Public...IF they were NOT true...???

Oh btw...don't want this to sound cynical or something like that...but we really need ALL the LUCK we can get...

So please continue to spare Orchi or the rest with more of it...TQ.

[orchipalar]

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...6&postcount=52

My sincere apologies if the organising committee cannot take the slightest criticism even though my questions were directly related to this thread topic.

If I get a 'Banana' out from this, it is worthwhile, coz' everyone must REALISE that even if we provide the 'Hardwares' (ie. patrol vehicles), the police admitted in the dialogue session that they are still lacking in 'Softwares' (ie. standardised SOPs) & 'Peopleware' (ie. manpower, competent trained drivers).

Err dear Nina...you are still dwelling on the weaknesses of the Police force...n much of that comes from the administration which you may have voted in for...so how? Where do you suggest we go from here...? n how can you contribute to improve that...?

"Existing 2 patrol vehicles at USJ8 Pondok Polis are put to rest 16-18 hours a day due to lack of trained drivers!!!"

"Each vehicle only run on one (1) 6-hrly shift".
(Source : Quoted from the recent Police Dialogue Session).

Is it really the "LACK of Hardwares" (ie. patrol vehicles) the main contributing factor for the high crime rates in SJ/USJ ???

Err...the OCPD was speaking from his situations faced at the IPD Subang Jaya(Seri Kembangan)...n NOT specifically that of USJ 8 Balai n SS17 Balai...So if you care to call his numbers to find out more...one would be provided to you...n you can either go there to obtain his confirmation or you would have to try your best to trust the Press release...issued recently by your ADUN.

Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???

Err...becareful there Nina...you were NOT part of this at all...please do NOT try to spin it to reflect your doubts n whatever dissatisfaction that you may have...on the efforts of those involved in it...

If I had not be clear, I'd certainly prefer to contribute to SJ Alert System coz' its a frontline approach to help disseminate crime alerts for public awareness. When there is awareness, people are more alert & ready.

Err...thank you for clearing that point out with regards to the on going SJ ALERT programme...

Of course, I can be wrong. No further questions asked nor am I going to post anymore comments in here since, I don't see the worth in donating to such cause.

My sincere apologies again if my statements hv been offensive. Just being realistic, Nina

Err...if you asked Orchi...Orchi doesn't think you are wrong to be doubtful...but just that you may be naive about what's going...n that of good intentions n efforts from the organising committee...

Your points however are taken by Orchi n the rest positively...n 'we' hope you can further contribute whatever or however you see fit to do so...

So when you are ready with more...just start by returning to Orchi's phone call...n Orchi would be obliged to find whatever answers that you wish for...to the best of Orchi's ability...n start to get things moving in reality instead as you have put forth...ratherthan 'us' just talking in the forum...

[orchipalar]

Err...Orchi just received a call from MOYSC...n from our 'good' conversation...Orchi gathers from her n agree that more needs to be done asap...n put aside any misunderstandings in order to move on...

n she even suggested that she would NOT object to a proposal for a campaign to donate 'vehicles' for the SJ ALERT programme...

[alexhay]

Orchi..sorry to hijack your thread as got something to share..

If you guys interested to help out the police force, you could helped out by joining their Police Volunteer Reserve Unit. You will get paid. For more info, please visit http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/rmp06/sukarelawan/sp.htm

I had friends who are attached with the unit and he told me is a good experience.

[tan_r]

Originally Posted by MOYSC
Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???.

How could I have missed this statement of the day?

Folks, if we all have nothing better to do than just sit and look for agendas and self-interests behind every action, nothing will ever get done because we will find what we want to find.

[AllUrban]

As I said before, how about a letter-writing campaign....

Here's my version.

One of the more surprising pieces of information that came out of the recent Subang Jaya Police-Community Dialgoue was that the police are seriously challenged because they do not have enough personnel and vehicles.

I wonder how embarassed Subang Jaya OCPD Muhammad Fuad Taib must have felt when he informed the residents that he had access to only 4 police vehicles to patrol a community of over 300,000 people.

The people of the Subang Jaya and USJ communities have responded quickly to the needs of the police, contributing to the Wheels for Cops programme.

The goal of the programme is to raise RM90,000 for the purchase of four Perodua Kembaras for the Police force to use in the Subang Jaya and USJ areas.

It is disappointing that we have, for a long time, refused to invest in our police force. The police need more vehicles, more officers, better equipment, and more respect than we have given them recently.

We as a society must realize that we must invest in our police force and give them the support that they need, if there is a hope to reducing crime rates.

It is time for all Malaysians to reinvest in our communities.
Sincerely....

You are free to use this letter or something like it. Let's flood the newspapers, councils, party offices, ADUNs and MPs, with our concerns.

Cheers, m

[orchipalar]

From Thread "Car Stolen - BHH 1982"...http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...2&postcount=19

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Originally Posted by Sentinel
Between Jalan Setiamurni and Jalan Setiakasih, if one can afford it, because the police patrol car passes by every 20 minutes and sign the books hung at the gates of your left, right and front neighbors. Now, thats safety in Malaysia.

This posting has just inspired me : If in a taman one house in each road has the book hung for police signature, I believe the police will have the chance to patrol all the roads in a taman every hour(s)....

What do you say folks ?

Err...now this is interesting...as much as Orchi was told by the Police...one need to apply n subscribe to this service...n pay a certain monthly fee to the Police...for them to do so...subject to their evaluation n approval under certain conditions or existing circumstances...

Now assuming that you could get the Police to do that to your home...please try to get ALL them affected residents together on your own...derive the means to monitor who is willing to do what...n who is willing to pay how much...n start to put your proposal plan to work...

Then round them residents up...n make a MASSIVE application n subscribtion exercises to the service with the Police...

n IF the Police has the means to consider n approve to the applications of ALL the residents concerned...

You would have to get EVERYBODY there to source for the blue-boxes...pens n register books and get them all fixed to their front gates of those homes concerned...

Very well done indeed...n you would have to get EVERYBODY to pay up on time to the Police on the monthly basis...so as the service from the Police would NOT be interrupted...from time to time. - Eg. Like somebody mentioned in the recent Police Dialogue...he has a Blue Box since 2 years ago in front of his...n the Police came to register at it initially BUT NEVER turn up thereafter...so what happened? Orchi can tell you what happened...HE HAS NOT BEEN PAYING HIS MONTHLY FEES TO THE POLICE...period!

So PROVIDED again...the POLICE has the means to do so for ALL affected residents to begin with...for such of your proposal to work...to all affected residents in USJ and Subang Jaya...

Assuming 80,000 to 100,000 households in all...n 10% of these are what you so called corner lots owners...so you have to approach 8,000 or 10,000 of these folks to agree to your proposal...n then what...you have to assume that they would do it...for the sakes of the other non-paying residents who lives between the corner lots houses...otherwise they might just ask the rest to share their monthly costs...wouldn't they? Can you get everybody to agree...?

So when we do for a little donation campaign to get some patrol vehicles for the community Police...also we are faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little campaign to get residents to join a community SMS service programme...also we are faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little protest to get residents to join in the protest to fight for our rights to have a piece of Balai Reserved land protected against the greedy commercial developers...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little campaign to get immediate neighbours to pay monthly for PRIVATE security service...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little effort to get our backlanes all fenced up to deter thieves n what not...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do a massive neighborhood campaign for neighbourwatch groups...also we faced with plenty of difficulties...

Therefore...why don't you start n DO the campaign to propose what you just suggested to all the affected residents in the community...

Be certain that Orchi for one would be right behind working for you...

[MOYSC]

[QUOTE=AllUrbanOne of the more surprising pieces of information that came out of the recent Subang Jaya Police-Community Dialgoue was that the police are seriously challenged because they do not have enough personnel and vehicles.

I wonder how embarassed Subang Jaya OCPD Muhammad Fuad Taib must have felt when he informed the residents that he had access to only 4 police vehicles to patrol a community of over 300,000 people.[/QUOTE]

It really boils me whenever I've to talk abt the police. But heck, I am oblige to since the police is PARTIALLY responsible for providing "OPPORTUNITIES" for crimes to happen in our area!

Yes, the police indicated lack of manpower but also trained drivers too! Lack of drivers but wanting to add on more patrol vehicles does not seem to equate does it???

Besides, the lack of manpower & vehicles is not an overnight issue. It is possibly an age-old problem or excuse! If we'd waited years on their shortfalls, why didn't the police or the govt. take any action?
Now there is allocation of CCTVs, Sports Cmplx, etc. but yet still no allocation for the basic necessities for the police??? I'm amazed...

Perhaps I'm naive & ignorant. I really hope the police would do better & I do not doubt they are trying to improve. However, it hurts me everytime I'd to face reality abt our police force... They are in a pathetic (or shld I say symphathetic) state!

[orchipalar]

Perhaps I'm naive & ignorant. I really hope the police would do better & I do not doubt they are trying to improve. However, it hurts me everytime I'd to face reality abt our police force... They are in a pathetic (or shld I say symphathetic) state!

Err...yes Nina...they need public sympathy... they don't need people to blame them for any shortcomings from the government n circumstances...they merely need more people to appreciate what they do n their sacrifices...

Every day n night they are exposed to dangers...n they are victims too...

11 Aug 2006
By Fadhal Ilahi Abd Ghani and Dennis Wong

KUALA LUMPUR: It was an anonymous call that helped police arrest five suspects in connection with the murder of Tunku Abdul Rahman College student Lee Kean Yip.

The Rakan Cop tip-off sent 17 policemen racing to a budget hotel on Jalan Genting Klang where they found the suspects high on ganja and syabu.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/n...le/local1_html

n please defend their honour......n they need public cooperations...especially when there are people out there telling everybody n accusing the Police that...the Police acted only when there was a reward offered to the capture of the snatch thieves cum murderer of the TAR college student...recently!

[Teeque]

Critics? No much of a point. But if you need firing squad or hangman, then notify me...

[MOYSC]

Have we forgotten about an article not many months ago about Malaysian Police?

A para from an article in the Star dated 6 April 2006 :

CORRUPTION, abuse of power, ineffective and poor service – these were the descriptions of the police force. They did not come from the Opposition but from the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Mohd Bakri Omar himself.

Full article at : click here

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.
Lets just sit down for a moment to think -

Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?

OR

would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,

while the police themselves find ways to rectify their shortfalls, inefficiencies & corruption?

I brought up the question to the organising committee of the Police Dialogue session on how the police can help homeguards (employed by residents) curb crime. I understand the homeguards contribute "fees" to the police and perhaps in return, the police can offer free training to these guards who are also risking every second of the lives to protect us from harm. These guards are lowly paid & lack resources but yet they DO NOT whine...

Even though we physically hv to pay homeguards every month, but don't forget you & I are paying taxes - which also goes to pay the police.

Nina

[tan_r]

CORRUPTION, abuse of power, ineffective and poor service – these were the descriptions of the police force. They did not come from the Opposition but from the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Mohd Bakri Omar himself.

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.

By bolding the first para, you do not actually need to explain the self-explanatory.

[mon]

I believe some of us are just contributing a small, affordable sum of money which is pinched from our pockets to help the Subang Jaya police force by providing the adequate and necessary automobiles needed..also, to show them we DO care and will support them, and hoping, by doing that, the police' efficiency would prevail..

I do not expect perfections from them but there is a ray of hope and faith, that they will do their very best to work more efficiently to protect all of us..I did not contribute much but I have to thank those who have run the extra miles. Thanks again.

[tan_r]

Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?

Would it not, in your very honest opinion?

would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,

I have to agree that this is a splendid idea. Would you want to help kick start this idea? I promise you my full support. Except for the PVR - I already disqualified - 4 eyes and overaged.

[orchipalar]

Full article at : click here

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.
Lets just sit down for a moment to think -

Err...dear Nina...yes by now Orchi should be discouraged n convinced by that...your sole interest has been wanting to prove yourself right...n that you are prejudicely against the entire Police force...while Orchi thought we could start off by addressing the problems from a micro perspective or rather...

Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?

Err unlike you...though Orchi thinks 'we' still have a good rapport n working relationship with the local community Police here...certainly 'we' can NOT guarantee that the initiative concerned...would yield the results as you would have expected them to be...from the start...which is nil to you obviously...

n neither can you assure anyone that...the gomen's allocations of the existing facilities would be put to 'exceptional' use by your standards...nor can you guarantee that the weaponry used in the law enforcement would NOT miss their intended target at the criminals...can you?

But anyway...should you had been willing to take a part of which you had refused from the very beginning...'we' would have folks like you to watch over the progress...or its shortcomings...n blast your dissatisfactions whenever the opportunity for you to do so arises...wouldn't we?

OR would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,while the police themselves find ways to rectify their shortfalls, inefficiencies & corruption?

Err...yes that would be one of the few ways...which you could look for improvement...so work on it...will you?

BUT first like Orchi had repeated before...donating patrol vehicles to the local community Police is simply just ONE of the few ways 'we' see fit to pursue at this present juncture...n it isn't being done by one man or a group of men ...on his or their own fancy only...it is with a collective efforts by various groups of residents' representatives...together with the cooperation from the local community Police...n that of higher levels from the Police departments...n from the Home Ministry as well...

I brought up the question to the organising committee of the Police Dialogue session on how the police can help homeguards (employed by residents) curb crime. I understand the homeguards contribute "fees" to the police and perhaps in return, the police can offer free training to these guards who are also risking every second of the lives to protect us from harm. These guards are lowly paid & lack resources but yet they DO NOT whine...

Err...here again that may be a good suggestion...please take a crack at it n stick to it...

Even though we physically hv to pay homeguards every month, but don't forget you & I are paying taxes - which also goes to pay the police. Nina.

Err yes...no one is doubting that...

'We' pay taxes too...BUT please don't forget of those folks whom have been making the efforts n working towards getting the Deputy Minister of the Internal Security Ministry n all the relevant Police Top Brass...all the way to the GSC theater under one roof so to speak to grace the charity screening...which would be the BEST avenue for you or anyone else for the matter...to address all your expectations...concerns n questions...with.

n you seem to have blatantly refused to even consider that opportunity...

Originally Posted by MOYSC
Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???.

BUT you did see fit to get personal with those folks n attempted to shoot down on their well intended initiative n efforts thus far instead...*Sigh*