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    KL takes anti-piracy fight to the malls

    Quote from the Spore Straits Times today: "In a landmark legal move, Malaysia's recording industry filed lawsuits against shopping malls renting premises to vendors of pirated wares".

    "The Recording Industry Association of Malaysia (RIM) has also filed an unprecedented lawsuit against the Berjaya Megamall shopping complex in Kuantan, Pahang for allegedly renting out its premises to VCD pirates.....RIM would be filing suits against three shopping centres in Johor Bahru, two in Penang and one in Malacca".

    And about time too! Are shopping malls in KL the next to be targetted?

    I can't understand the ambivalent attitude of most Msians towards pirated music, movies and software. Here we moan and whine about crime in our towns and cities and its impact on our personal safety, but we don't appear to care two hoots about condoning theft of intellectual property - which is what purchasing this pirated stuff is all about - and which is just as much a crime. Maybe it's because its victims are either "faceless" or rich and powerful artistes and MNCs who can afford to absorb the losses caused by pirating their products. In any case, its an absolutely s****y attitude and reveals double standards for all to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgalahad2010
    Quote from the Spore Straits Times today: "In a landmark legal move, Malaysia's recording industry filed lawsuits against shopping malls renting premises to vendors of pirated wares".

    "The Recording Industry Association of Malaysia (RIM) has also filed an unprecedented lawsuit against the Berjaya Megamall shopping complex in Kuantan, Pahang for allegedly renting out its premises to VCD pirates.....RIM would be filing suits against three shopping centres in Johor Bahru, two in Penang and one in Malacca".

    And about time too! Are shopping malls in KL the next to be targetted?

    I can't understand the ambivalent attitude of most Msians towards pirated music, movies and software. Here we moan and whine about crime in our towns and cities and its impact on our personal safety, but we don't appear to care two hoots about condoning theft of intellectual property - which is what purchasing this pirated stuff is all about - and which is just as much a crime. Maybe it's because its victims are either "faceless" or rich and powerful artistes and MNCs who can afford to absorb the losses caused by pirating their products. In any case, its an absolutely s****y attitude and reveals double standards for all to see.
    what do u think is the best buy or the favourite item for tourists from europe in asia???

    pirated cd's books etc which is a fraction of the legal patented products in their home countries

    why do u think people in developing countires prefer pirated products??

    sing GDP per capital is nearly 3-4 x of KL
    for a cd at 30 ringgit is a lot of money for a 3rd world country compared to the rich singaporeans -15sing$ is a small outlay for a cd

    i am not preaching for 1 second that infringement of intellectual property rights is not a crime but thats the state of affairs in 3rd world country

    anyway white collar crime has always been'tolerated' as the victims are without exceprtion 'rich'

    again its about $ and cents and livelihood in a developing country

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman
    what do u think is the best buy or the favourite item for tourists from europe in asia???

    pirated cd's books etc which is a fraction of the legal patented products in their home countries

    why do u think people in developing countires prefer pirated products??

    sing GDP per capital is nearly 3-4 x of KL
    for a cd at 30 ringgit is a lot of money for a 3rd world country compared to the rich singaporeans -15sing$ is a small outlay for a cd

    i am not preaching for 1 second that infringement of intellectual property rights is not a crime but thats the state of affairs in 3rd world country

    anyway white collar crime has always been'tolerated' as the victims are without exceprtion 'rich'

    again its about $ and cents and livelihood in a developing country
    Sound like poverty is a good reason to rob to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgalahad2010

    I can't understand the ambivalent attitude of most Msians towards pirated music, movies and software. Here we moan and whine about crime in our towns and cities and its impact on our personal safety, but we don't appear to care two hoots about condoning theft of intellectual property

    I am one of those people who does not really mind the existence of pirated music, movies etc. Let me help you understand where I am coming from.

    I am not in 100% agreement with the concept of intellectual property, as defined within the context of law. The concept of intellectual property is still very young, and therefore the laws that govern its definition and its proper usage is still far from mature. I can understand the concept of 'that's my idea, or that's your idea', but things like copyrights, patents, etc, especially within an international context are still foreign to me.

    In addition, what makes something your idea, or my idea? No human is totally independent from everyone else, any idea (s)he generates is not his/her alone - the idea one person generates is a combination of efforts of a whole range of people, yet the profit only goes to one person/one party.

    However, the biggest reason I don't necessarily buy 'original' games and music and stuff is because they are overpriced. If vcd sellers can earn chunks of money selling a cd for rm5, surely the musicians and so on can as well. In the music/movie business, somehow it has become accepted that musicians, actors and worst of all, all the execs in between, DESERVE to earn millions of dollars.

    I read somewhere ages ago that a cd that for a cd that sells for 20 pounds, only about 2-3 pounds go back to the artist. The rest gets gobbled up by god knows who. And yet those 2-3 pounds per cd is enough to fuel many a drug fuelled sex crazed binge drinking nights. And this happens all because we pay them excessively.

    And don't get me started on Microsoft.

    So, in the end, I am actually glad that these pirates exist to bring some real, albeit illegal, competition to the economic scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    Sound like poverty is a good reason to rob to me.
    then perhaps we should start begging

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    interestingly during a Sunday service (Easter Sunday)-in a church located somewhere in Sunway Lagoon, a whole congression was held up by 4 tugs who came in with Parangs.

    I am feeling poor now, i think i should go around robbing churches, mosques and temples.
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    In general, human responses to opportunities are the same if not controlled by laws, regulations and occasional cultures and traditions...whether in developed or developing countries.

    If you and your family can watch King Kong for RM8 instead of RM120, and the quality of both is almost identical, I am cock sure majority will choose the former unless he is a Bill Gates.

    I wiil chop off my dick if majority Singaporeans will not buy imitation DVDs if they are sold along Orchard Rd. as freely as there are sold here.
    Same for the hypocrite copywrite/intellectual property defending gweilos. Go to petaling street and see who are the ones buying "rolexes, cartiers etc. or go to any bargain street in Asia...more often then not, gweilo bargain hunters outnumber locals.

    So, bottom is, don't blame the masses for buying imitations, they are only being human. Want to blame....blame the authorities who allow these things to be sold openly in the first place.

    Btw, the masses don't consider this robbbing....this is willing buyer willing seller basis.

    No so long ago, some people use the opium currency in exchange for tea, silk, chinawares etc and claimed it was perfectly and morally OK...and even went to war to protect their freedom to trade in this currency

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    Ultimately, if they succeed, we all will be at the mercy of unfair and controlled price. They (local authorised distributors & agents) will be laughing all the way to the bank. Yes, prices are already outrageous for local or imported audio cd, dvds and computer software. There's hardly any move to lower the prices, instead its steadily inflating and middle or lower income group having to cough out more.
    Calling for a nationwide boycott is futile and consumers don't readily bother, listen or act. Can only mumble, grumble, banter and rant, in the end, the issue dies a natural death. That's typical bolehland culture! Happened before, happening now and in future! What else is new?..

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman
    then perhaps we should start begging
    Why not earn it instead of robbing or begging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    Why not earn it instead of robbing or begging?

    u mean singaporean wages in malaysia

    ??

    perhaps u have an extra generous boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman
    u mean singaporean wages in malaysia

    ??

    perhaps u have an extra generous boss
    Do we really need to have singaporean wages to buy a RM40 original CD? While we are affortable to buy a overpriced Proton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    Do we really need to have singaporean wages to buy a RM40 original CD? While we are affortable to buy a overpriced Proton?

    cars -do we have a choice?

    i am referring to the general malaysian population with a GDP /capital of barely 5000US $ compared to sing of 30000US

    its not about me !!!

    this is getting personal

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    Pirate No Mall

    I am normally open-minded and donít like to complain much, but I can no longer remain silent when they start to sue complex owners for renting out their premises to my favourite stores. RIMís basic complaint is that if people buy pirated stuff, they are not going to buy original EXPENSIVE CDs. The counter argument is why CDs are priced so expensive when the cost of producing is so low that the pirates can continue to support the TRIADS with the miserable amount that they charged for the merchandise. The counter counter argument is that who cares if no one buys the original stuff.

    I was a proponent of the last point of view. I donít have much sympathy for artistes who are already quite wealthy and associations like RIM who try to milk some of that wealth from people like you and me. I do have sympathy for me, having to pay astronomical amount to see a movie that is so heavily butchered that with one draw of the sword and without inflicting any blood, the villain is already dead on the ground (hello, remember Kill Bill). Why should I suffer? Havenít I been through enough lately, having to pay for fuel increases, shiit charges, drinking ammonia-flavoured water and much much more?

    And please donít bring in nationalities. As Penangkia has so eloquently debated, including sacrificing certain parts of his anatomy if he is proven wrong, everywhere you go, you will see who the real customers are. From first world to third world, it is a world wide trade, with no borders. And who are the biggest P2P downloaders on earth; and I am not sacrificing my anatomy if you get that right!

    You may than argue on ethics. The problem with ethics is that some things are only wrong most of the time. If I had needed to buy that Microsoft Office copy so that my child can be computer literate, for example, I would have felt OK about it. Otherwise, my child would be computer dumb as there is no way I can pay for that RM2000 software. In theory, stealing is wrong. In theory. In theory, democracy works. And then they continue to let Semi Value, APidah, Krisman and co to continue in the XXL cabinet and we realize then that democracy is a failure. Lots of things work ďin theoryĒ as I always say.

    All of which is my way of explaining that I do like to do my shopping in air-conditioned comfort and not the humid,sweaty, night markets which are managed by the local councils which i don't believe RIM will ever sue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by layman
    cars -do we have a choice?

    i am referring to the general malaysian population with a GDP /capital of barely 5000US $ compared to sing of 30000US

    its not about me !!!

    this is getting personal
    CD -do we have a choice?

    Is that something necessary for living? I am not affortable for a ferrari as well while many american can, that's doesn't give me any excuse to rob one isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    CD -do we have a choice?

    Is that something necessary for living? I am not affortable for a ferrari as well while many american can, that's doesn't give me any excuse to rob one isn't it?
    well the forummers has rebutted ur claims fof pirating as a form of robbery

    do u not read be4 passing outrageous remarks and ur lofty surreal moral value for the consumption of forummers

    most are of the opinion piracy is a fact of life in REAL LIFE.MAYBE U LIVED IN THE REALM OF dreamland -fantasyland

    this is not utopialand-mr burn

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