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    ShahAlam's Dogs & Azan???

    Doggone it! today's Star states that the Marpo (dog lovers, keepers, ngo etc) had a meeting with shah alam city council yesterday...blah blah blah...then somewhere down the line the deputy mayor zaba che rus have this to say.
    (I quote The Star) ...70% of shah alam's 450,000 population were malays. " As such the city council has to consider their sensitivity, esp in the religious context," he said. "This is not only in the case of keeping dogs, but also other matters including the call for prayer/azan for the non-muslims"

    OK, pray tell me , the blur one, what the ikan has the call of Azan got to do with dogs? What? Again? Do i hear that the dogs' barks & howls are louder than the Azan...or was it that one is competing to be heard by the 30% or 150,000 not-so-important residents?

    So, now what? status quo as in no-dog rulez and Azan will be toned down to decent non-ear splitting decibel? WHAT????

    My year-end wish:
    Dear heavenly God of all faiths, colours, races, breeds, please bless this land called malaysia. Please , please too open the eyes of the blind, ignorant, racist and stoopid policy makers.

    Yang Amat Bodoh lato tupai
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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai
    Doggone it! today's Star states that the Marpo (dog lovers, keepers, ngo etc) had a meeting with shah alam city council yesterday...blah blah blah...then somewhere down the line the deputy mayor zaba che rus have this to say.
    (I quote The Star) ...70% of shah alam's 450,000 population were malays. " As such the city council has to consider their sensitivity, esp in the religious context," he said. "This is not only in the case of keeping dogs, but also other matters including the call for prayer/azan for the non-muslims"

    OK, pray tell me , the blur one, what the ikan has the call of Azan got to do with dogs? What? Again? Do i hear that the dogs' barks & howls are louder than the Azan...or was it that one is competing to be heard by the 30% or 150,000 not-so-important residents?

    So, now what? status quo as in no-dog rulez and Azan will be toned down to decent non-ear splitting decibel? WHAT????

    My year-end wish:
    Dear heavenly God of all faiths, colours, races, breeds, please bless this land called malaysia. Please , please too open the eyes of the blind, ignorant, racist and stoopid policy makers.

    Yang Amat Bodoh lato tupai
    Even in non-malay majority area, the azan is played out very loud even though there are TV and handphones to play azan. In a malay majority area like shah alam, do you think it will be softer ?

    Stop arguing with them, it is not as if the non-malays have nowhere to go. Go and buy a house in MPSJ, MPPJ, DBKL area.
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    I really don't understand the muslims. Dogs are another of God's creation and should be treasured. What kind of religion teaches their believers to kill an animal they dislike? If animal have rights, they are seriously violating it.

    I'm not being racist or anti-islam. I'm just expressing my discontentment by the way animals are treated in this country. To the strict muslims, dogs are worse than dirt, so to speak. In Shah Alam it is as simple as catching dogs and put them to sleep. (God knows if they really enthanize them the proper way). But in the rural kampungs, they beat and kill dogs whenever they like. Other races have to keep their dogs in secret, otherwise, they'll be killed for no apparent reason. I feel this is barbaric. What kind of religion agree with killings?

    Here in the city center, national leaders are talking about vision 2020 and globalisation. But look closely, Malaysia is far from being a civilised country. If they can't even treat animals properly, what about humans? Without love and peace for all, all those skyscrapers and beautiful nightview is just a fake facade.

    What is the meaning of muhibbah when dogs are largely ill treated? Aren't they a part of this eco-system, of this world?

    I understand that our muslim leaders like to do things their way, and yet talk about being at par with other countries. Why can't they look at Malaysia from an international context?

    Haih... I just don't understand lah. Sorry, please excuse me for once. Needed to unload.
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    I grew up in Kelantan. You guys know the political situation in Kelantan and the people there. The azan is a normal thing for me. In fact, I love hearing the azan at 5:20am in the morning and mind you, I'm Chinese. Growing up in Kelantan I guess made me accustomed to the Azan. But that shouldn't be an excuse for me being accustomed to it. If I were to be born in Penang, I'm sure I'll feel the same way.

    Why can't you guys tolerate this? After all, we're the minority here. Please have respect for one's religion. I don't believe in God at all but I tolerate everybody's religion.

    And the worst part is, you guys are advocating your children to despise the Azan and that's not how you want your kids brought up.
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    Vsat: Why, you think we actually went complaining to the imams and threw pancakes at mosque goers to vent our frustrations? Whoever said we despise it anyway? The feeling of despise and disagreement is different, u know.

    Anyway, I believe the azan blarrings have a purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yvonnefoong
    I really don't understand the muslims. Dogs are another of God's creation and should be treasured. What kind of religion teaches their believers to kill an animal they dislike? If animal have rights, they are seriously violating it.

    I'm not being racist or anti-islam. I'm just expressing my discontentment by the way animals are treated in this country. To the strict muslims, dogs are worse than dirt, so to speak. In Shah Alam it is as simple as catching dogs and put them to sleep. (God knows if they really enthanize them the proper way). But in the rural kampungs, they beat and kill dogs whenever they like. Other races have to keep their dogs in secret, otherwise, they'll be killed for no apparent reason. I feel this is barbaric. What kind of religion agree with killings?
    I am no expert nor Islamic scholar but from this article, http://www.islamonline.net/english/i...le04.shtml#top
    Islam promotes love towards animals, including dogs. It's unfortunate that some Muslims ill-treat them; but I believe this is due to their ignorance in what the Islamic faith preaches.

    For more understanding on Islam, Suggest you read articles in: http://www.islamonline.net/english/i...am/index.shtml
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    Hey, Harmony. Thanks for the article! That makes much sense. But how did their God's word got misunderstood today? Most malays are against even at the sight of dogs. Why ah?
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    Thanks for the link Harmony.

    I think we ought to exercise objectivity whenever we refer to people of different cultural and/or religious backgrounds from us. The onus is on us to find out the facts from all sides before making any sweeping statements. Maybe a good reminder for those of us who are Christians, especially in this season where we commemorate the birth of Christ :
    Stop judging others, and you will not be judged. Stop criticizing others, or it will all come back on you. If you forgive others, you will be forgiven.

    Luke 6:37
    Have a blessed Christmas all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yvonnefoong
    Hey, Harmony. Thanks for the article! That makes much sense. But how did their God's word got misunderstood today? Most malays are against even at the sight of dogs. Why ah?
    Perhaps they hv deviated frm the original Islam teachings?

    Well, any muslim brethrens here can enlighten us?
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    The problem with most of us here is that we tend to skirt the issue.

    I posted the thread to get some understanding why the depty mayo whatever his name is, linked dog ownership to azan?

    it puzzles me to have this thread on the verge of condemning a religion or the calls for prayer/atonement of multiple sins(?) PLUS how people can read that this thread encourages children to condemn azan DUH!

    Yang Amat Blur lato tupai

    p/s I still believe that if dog owners pick up their smarty dog poo, 90% of the complaints would stop instantly. Otherwise, imagine one day duh mayo step on smarty poopoo outside his italian marbled palace...the consequences would be, all of selangor will hv ultrastrict rules on ownership of dog.
    Stooopid Irresponsible dog owners caused all this fuss!
    pp/s maybe 10% of the complaints are unleashed dog biting children, postman, utilities meter reader, chasing loud motorcycles etc
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    As a muslim and malay myself, I can't understand how and why some Malays really scare or despise of dog. Dog roam freely in Arabic country Saudi. Nobody kick them up or throw stone at them. Eventhough we cant touch dog or dog are haram to us, doesnt mean that we can dera them. That has nothing to do by being a Muslim. It just the mentality of some people.
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    Err...a Muslim neighbour once told Orchi...there is nothing that forbids a Muslim to touch a dog or keep one...but it is believed that Muslims are forbidden to come in contact or touch the nose...n mouth...or something like that...

    Ahem...Orchi wonders too...why some Malay Muslims would go to the extent of wearing gloves...whenever their jobs or tasks...involve hand or finger contacts with the general public such as toll booths users...who could be non-Muslims or Muslims alike...???

    Should it be haram for a female Malay Muslim toll booth cashiers to touch or come in contact with Orchi...why is it NOT so...for a male Malay Muslim toll booth cashier to do so...???

    Should the same can be said with the Malay Muslim cashiers or the workers...in a restaurant or stall or a shop or even the supermarkets n deparmental stores...operated by Muslims...why is that...they do NOT wear gloves whenever the collect monies from their non Muslim customers...???
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    the issue shb be....not dogs..by tupai

    the deputy mayor saying..sensitivity of the majority muslim with regards to call to prayer/azan by non-muslim....... non-muslim in their majority area has never complain of muslim in their azan., we beleive and understand , their religous rights.. Y is he bringing up this issue now..plain no sense talk fr a politician,racist in nature.. shd go iSA..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aloy105
    the deputy mayor saying..sensitivity of the majority muslim with regards to call to prayer/azan by non-muslim....... non-muslim in their majority area has never complain of muslim in their azan., we beleive and understand , their religous rights.. Y is he bringing up this issue now..plain no sense talk fr a politician,racist in nature.. shd go iSA..
    To read the whole story, please check this link :http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...94&sec=central

    In its earlier reports, the city council had required owners of banned dogs to surrender their pets immediately. However, now they are allowed to keep them until the dogs die.

    The dialogue was part of Marpo's efforts in voicing out its objection to the ruling. It holds on to the belief that “it is everyone's right to own a pet.''“We insist that pet owners be consulted when laws involving their animals are drafted out to help arrive at an effective and pragmatic approach to better pet management,'' said Marpo pro tem president Dr Jon S. Satyamoorthy. “Everybody should be entitled to a pet, regardless of whether it is a dog or a cat.” Marpo has garnered more than 10,000 signatures, mostly residents in Shah Alam and Subang Jaya, who objected to the ruling.

    Dr Jon said he was disappointed by the outcome of the dialogue. “It did not meet our objectives nor was the ruling scraped,'' he said.

    In response, Za'ba said 70% of Shah Alam's 450,000-strong population were Malays. “As such the city council has to consider their sensitivity, especially in the religious context,'' he said.

    “This is not only in the case of keeping dogs, but also in other matters including the call for prayers (Azan) for the non-Muslims.''

    Za'ba said the city council was awaiting a comprehensive guideline over the keeping of dog from the Housing and Local Government Ministry, which then would be applicable nationwide. Currently each local authority has its own set of ruling on the matter.

    “For now we have to abide by the existing rule.''
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    I don't mind tolerating the azan, but if you think about it, the hindus, buddhists, and christians are not allowed to practice their religion openly. Any rites, rituals, prayers, and such have to be done in private. Permits for religious building construction are severely restricted. Whereas the muslim mosques can blare their speakers loudly, to the extend of waking people up from their sleep.

    So, it's not about the religion. It's the government not being fair. I was taught that in political context, tolerance means accepting injustice.

    By the way, Vsat, how far away do you live from the mosque?

    p/s: Yes, islam preaches kindness towards all living beings. That's why I used the word "muslim" and not "islam". I'm talking about some of their devotees, and not the religion.
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