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  1. #16
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    We can talk till the ducks come back, nothing will change just be careful and be alert at all times.

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    The worse thing about our drivers is when you are on the highway, doing the speed limit and someone, in a big SUV, an expensive limo or a souped up car tailgates you, and I mean six inches off you bumper, and sometimes flashes his headlight. You heart starts pounding and your blood pressure shoots up, and your first instinct is to move out of the idiots way. DON'T, what you should do, and I hope everyone considers, and even take up my suggestion, is to;
    stay in the same lane and at the same speed, or if you were fast, slow down to the speed limit, and just ignore him or her (don't look in the rearview mirror).
    We have to do this to teach idiots like that, that tailgating, flashing and threatening behaviour is no way to drive, if you want to overtake, wait at a safe distance behind the car infront, when there is room, he will always move over for you to overtake.
    I have been doing this to tailgaters and I believe, at least a few of them have got the message from me.

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    stay in the same lane and at the same speed, or if you were fast, slow down to the speed limit, and just ignore him or her (don't look in the rearview mirror).

    Err...NetRider...in that likely scenario...can Orchi assumes that you were overtaking another vehicle on the outside lane?

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    Net Rider, you suggestion is dangerous. Usually the right lane is meant for overtaking and after you have done that you should be back to your lane at the speed you wish.

    By holding up somebody in the right lane , you may obstruct an emergency call and worst of all if you anger the tailgaters you may be facing a potential road bully. Why take that risk, cool down and let them pass, if they choose to break the speed limit it is not your problem. Don't take law into your own hands. sometimes it this attititude of I am following the law and so must you, that create more jams and unnecessary encounter. Have a good heart, let them pass and you will have less pressure and a pleasant drive.
    Chia Hak Soon

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    my take on this matter are :

    1) cars are not well maintained, tyres are bold, brakes are faulty and so on.
    2) cars are not equip with ABS or airbag, proton cars mainly.
    3) license are bought.
    4) no enforcement.

    #i feel with good enforcement, who dares to speed and drive like a monkey.

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    As for myself;

    Enforcement and Corruption - these two are like abang adik. they both work hand in hand. corruption has to be reduced and Enforcement has to be enhanced. our bad malaysian attitude cannot be corrected through proper road education or stiffer laws and so on. Even those who are highly educated also having the same monkey behaviour and brain especially on the road. The only thing to reduce these driver related problems are through continuos ENFORCEMENT with MINIMAL CORRUPTION.

    Good example is Australia and NZ - we know that their road users are all well behave one but sometimes we do find monkey drivers around and to stop this the authority conduct continuos check.

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    Normally, I would not be on the outer lane, but in the middle lane, but if the middle lane is clogged with traffic travelling below the speed limit, I would go out to the outer lane and travel at, or slightly above the speed limit i.e. I am overtaking; but I am not overtaking by revving up my engine and shooting very quickly past one car and darting back into the same lane. I would rather, in a sense be passing a/or many slower cars on the inner lane by driving slightly faster then them but not too fast over the speed limit. Therefore, I feel that I have every justification to be on the outer lane.
    I didn't say, I wouldn't let other vehicles pass, I would move out of the way for vehicles behind me if I can see that they stay a safe distance from me and wait for an reasonably long opening in the middle lane for me to move to. I would only obstruct cars which dive right up to my bumper and try to intimidate me.
    As for road bullies, do your worse, unless you are driving an 18 wheeler dumper truck, I don't scare easily.

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    Btw the Star reported today that there were 160,000 unlicensed motorists and have been arrested in the last 11 months..its only a tip of an iceberg.

    Err...the minister of transport CKC has put an angry front...during an interview with the media n press people when addressing the irresponsibility of many unlicensed drivers putting themselves n others in grave danger by driving on the public road without valid licenses...ahem...he is also angry at parents who would allow their children to drive vehicles or ride motobikes without valid licenses...

    Err...Orchi has this to ask the BIG shot minister of an important ministry in our federal gomen...after so many months in his tenure as the minister of transport...is this the bluddy n freaking 1st time he is coming across this piece of reality...which has been going on for donkeys of years already...???

    Err...being angry is one thing...BUT what the fork is he going to do about this freaking menacing issue...???...ahem...meetings...after meetings...press conferences after press conferences...n then what? ...hangat hangat tahi ayam...!

    Ahem...or is he still being too busy trying to resolve...the freaking baggage handling issues at KLIA...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Net Rider
    Normally, I would not be on the outer lane, but in the middle lane, but if the middle lane is clogged with traffic travelling below the speed limit, I would go out to the outer lane and travel at, or slightly above the speed limit i.e. I am overtaking; but I am not overtaking by revving up my engine and shooting very quickly past one car and darting back into the same lane. I would rather, in a sense be passing a/or many slower cars on the inner lane by driving slightly faster then them but not too fast over the speed limit. Therefore, I feel that I have every justification to be on the outer lane.
    I didn't say, I wouldn't let other vehicles pass, I would move out of the way for vehicles behind me if I can see that they stay a safe distance from me and wait for an reasonably long opening in the middle lane for me to move to. I would only obstruct cars which dive right up to my bumper and try to intimidate me.
    As for road bullies, do your worse, unless you are driving an 18 wheeler dumper truck, I don't scare easily.

    I agree with you. As for me, I use my cruise control even for overtaking at 110km/h and rev. it up a little if necessary but not more then 120K/hr. Then, if some idiots come behind and tailgate or flash lights.....the fun begins. I will slow down to speed limit ie 110km/h while overtaking the car on the left travelling maybe at 105km/hr. Guess how long I will take to overtake this car.
    What makes ppl think that when overtaking on the fast lane, it is legal to speed more than 110km/hr.
    A lot of idiots think that when overtaking , there is no speed limit and if you are slower than them, you should let them pass even when you are overtaking a car on your left and doing the speed limit.
    Fuc* them.

    Emergency case is another story.

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    Allow me to share this with you folks...

    1. Most of the accidents occurred on Federal roads.
    2. From media pictures, they were head-on collisions.

    From these two info, perhaps we ought to look at the roads where these accidents occurred.

    1. I have a feeling that the roads were straight and double lanes on both sides or double lanes one side and single lane the other side. All separated by a double line drawing....

    2. Such roads are common eg along the old road around Parit Buntar, Nibong Tebal up north and Gambang at the east coast..

    3. At night speeding along such stretches of roads is tempting....

    4. Perhaps the authorities could look at the possibility of putting a concrete barrier separating the roads, instead of having double lines...

    5. This may inconvenienced the residents along the road because their houses are on both sides of the road and to cross from one side to the other is going to be bothersome with the barriers....

    Food for thought for the relevant authorities...
    I'm afraid more legislation is not the only answer...

    Cheers!
    FonZie

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    My take on this topic is plain simple fact that many people on the road knows not and cares not for the highway code. Yes, in my day, I had to learn the highway code to pass my driving test. And yet, in my time, I am quite sure a lot of people are not too bothered about the highway code.

    So what is the highway code? It is something like what Fonzie mentioned. Such as no overtaking when there is a double line. Or when the dividing line is a semi-broken line with the unbroken line on your side of the road. Then there is the need to refer to road signs and obey their existance. Another simple rule is to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front of you.

    I can't help noticing that a lot of drivers (even in our highly urbanised and highly educated USJ as well) ignore road signs. People who like to drive the way it is convenient for themselves, regardless if it break the basic laws. Such as cutting across the road to make a u-turn just because there is a break in the divider even though it is blatently obvious the break is meant for u-turns from the other lane (re: the one break found near Taipan near Hongkong Bank - I have seen cars from Taipan cut across to make a quick dash towards USJ11 against the flow of traffic).

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    Food for thought:

    1. Too many vehicles on the roads
    No. of vehicles are multiplying by abt 1 mil year by year (due to supporting local automotive industry). So it isnt surprising accident figures rise substantially yearly. And these new car buyers, how many of them, do you think, are new drivers (P license) on the road? Which brings us to the next problem.

    2. Too many new and 'learner' drivers on our roads.
    Over the past few years, there are a lot more of these drivers on the road, with the 'P' stickers. Even after they had passed their driving tests, the first 2 years are still very probationary for them as they are still learning to drive and also learning to drive on our crazy Malaysian traffic conditions. How many times hv you encountered these learner drivers driving too cautiously or too haphazardly. Eg. you see a P driver signalling, trying to cut out to lane infront of you, you see them, slow down and allow them to do so but then they take ages to change to outer lanes, thereby creating a slowing backlog behind you. Or you are abt to pass this P driver's car but he suddenly just shoot out to your lane and then only start signalling, you had to jam on your brakes to avoid hitting it and thereby caused a whole lot of cars behind you to jam on their brakes as well. If unlucky, there might be a vehicle accident pile up creating a humongous traffic jam on both sides of the road.

    3. Badly designed roads and highways cannot accomodate the increase vehicle nos.
    It is no secret that new vehicles increase yearly for the past decade to the point that our tiny KL/Malaysian roads and highways cannot accomodate vehicular increase anymore. In the Klang valley, most highways are only two lanes, which is not much of a difference to a two lane road, but they let private entities take over and 'dressed up' the road, put in a multiple lanes toll and then rename it expressway. 10 - 15 years ago it might suffice but now, dont bet on it. So which idiot had the foresight to let highway concessionaires to design it as such? Ultimately, badly designed roads which cannot accomodate vehicles will result in traffic accidents. No rocket science here.
    Even township's main arterial roads are too small or badly designed to accomodate increase in traffic due to new housing projects therefore increase in vehicles which gives rise to accidents. Subang has 2 such fine examples of a road, I'm sure you know which 2, no need to mention.

    4. Education? Attitude change? Harder driving tests? More Ops Sikap?
    These are fine proposals. Provided the traffic conditions and fundamentals (as highlighted above) are improved. If the fundamentals of traffic and driving conditions are still negative, no matter how much education, enforcement and harsher penalties proposed will not be of much use. Because it is the bad and negative fundamentals that are the cause agents that lead to increase in accident statistics. I mean, imagine, if we dont hv to battle bad traffic jams daily and traffic conditions are very much pleasurable to drive in, wont attitudes to driving on the roads change? Ultimately, less stress, pressure and anger on the roads, which leads to better drivers and driving environment, therefore less accidents.
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    25 years ago....the chance of getting caught from beating a red light , stuck in a yellow box compare with now is 25 is to 1 .
    How much do you think the accident rate/lawbreakers can be reduce....with the cops nowhere to be seen....

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    Okay whom do you blame for this?
    A 13 boy drives his father's car and kills a 22 year old motorcyclist, reported in todays papers.

    The car should be confisicated and the parents to be severely punished.
    Surely they know their son can drive why leave the car at his disposal. They should not go scot free, otherwise these sort of illegal driving is going to go on.What are your views?

    Tq

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    Ski,

    You can't punish someone unless you can proof them guilty, if they parents say they didn't know, we can't proof that they are lying.

    The boy on the other hand should be severely punished, I suggest that he should be blacklisted and not allowed to apply for a driving licence until he is 30 years old, that should teach him a lesson and send a strong message to other youngsters thinking of driving a car without a licence.

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