English language education ....

[layman]

Proven by who or rather was there actually a study on this may i ask, my good sir.
What about bananas like me (yes, we are a minority but we do exist) whereby English is our 1st language, do you naturally conclude that we

1. like kissing mat salleh a$$
2. girls are deem SPGs
3. learn slower than our compatriots educated in mandarin/tamil
4. were grilled to learn english and hence deprived of the opportunity to speak other dialects

PLEASE LAH..............
no wonder the girls are gravitating towards the mat sallehs, hell i'll even date indian/eurasian/punjabi than chinese with china man mentality.

how do u define a chinese with CHINAMAN mentality?CHINAMAN??? PERHAPS u can elaborate or enlightened us on this non existent english word??

[mon]

Parents should be motivated to take some responsibilities to teach their young ones their mother tonque. No one is to be blamed but ourselves if the younger generation don't speak or refuse to speak their native mother tongue and all they claim to know is what they've learnt from school or from their teachers and circle of friends. No doubt, English is the universal language..it's a language that gives you an edge over someone who could not speak it at all.. but many have forgotten their roots..Personally I'd like to be able to communicate in as many languages as I possible could..also the pleasure of speaking and understanding the natives while travelling abroad..with fluency would be better.. but who am I.. and would i be truly happy if I couldn't even communicate properly with let's say my grandma, my grandpa..etc

[isarahim]

correct me if i m wrong- malaysian english is an adulterated form of english

Nope. Malaysian English is New Straits Times English. I think that's the only good thing with this paper these days. What you're referring to is usually called 'Manglish' or similar.

well its proven beyond any doubt indeed that studying in ur mother tongue is the best form of educating the kids- a study was done in Hk and canada where theres a large chinese immigrant community

I think this study must be fundamentally flawed. Please give reference so we can understand the context. I there have been quite a few studies over the years saying the complete opposite: the more languages you learn as a kid, the better are your communication, leadership and emotional intelligence skills. That's not saying that studying mother tongue is not important. It is.

[Pets=Friends]

what do u mean by english being ur 1st language?
i mean just that or you want it translated in cantonese.

are u implying that ur thought wavelenghts are in english?
yes, why do you find it unbelievable.

correct me if i m wrong- malaysian english is an adulterated form of english with unequivocal evidence of translating from chinese to english
eg why like that? sure or not? got ah?give me ABC -well thats not english!!!
Well you're wrong, some of us speak with proper english and not the sort of rubbish you expect from petaling street vcd peddlers.

and u make this audacious claim ,loud pronouncement that ur 1st language is english.u can never be in the same league as the englishman with ur accent and poor command of proper english spoken and written
what makes you think englishmen speak Queen's English, hello......even they have their irish, welsh slang what more us. And now you are condemning my command of the language......you sure your nick is layman and not your royal highness hahahahaha.

well its proven beyond any doubt indeed that studying in ur mother tongue is the best form of educating the kids- a study was done in Hk and canada where theres a large chinese immigrant community
Oh so now they are the benchmark. I'm sure you realise that Hong Kong has a different cultural mix as compared to us, the national language for pete sake is cantonese/mandarin, almost everything around them is in that language, doesn't that make learning easier..........duh.

are u not a chinese ethnically?dont u feel ashame of ur inability to communicate with ur fellow chinese in chinese
you see what i mean, this "don't you feel ashame" business is translated as you say earlier from chinese or malay, technically this action/feeling does not exist in my dictionary....seriously, try asking another person whose mother tongue is english but yellowish on the outside.

ask the kweilos if they do find it exotic strange and incomprehensible that 2 chinaman should be conducting their business in english???
If you consider yourself in the same league as the angmohs, which i do, i really wouldn't care what others would think of me, 'specially narrow-minded chinaman hahahaha.

Very well said, chang. Thank you.

[layman]

Nope. Malaysian English is New Straits Times English. I think that's the only good thing with this paper these days. What you're referring to is usually called 'Manglish' or similar.

english as i understand means literally english not times ,NST etc.perhaps you need to revisit NST to determine your style or preference of english if indeed theres a dichotomy in english as it evolves


I think this study must be fundamentally flawed. Please give reference so we can understand the context. I there have been quite a few studies over the years saying the complete opposite: the more languages you learn as a kid, the better are your communication, leadership and emotional intelligence skills. That's not saying that studying mother tongue is not important. It is.

english as i understand means literally english not times ,NST etc.perhaps you need to revisit NST to determine your style or preference of english if indeed theres a dichotomy in english as it evolves



communication leadership and emotional skills have aboslutely nothing to do with your proficiency of a language.the thought process will always be in your 1st language ie your mother tongue followed by transferring the message into the spoken or written form of any languages


to be proficient in ur mother tongue is not about making choices-hudson's choice,yes you can choose your 2nd language english etc.but not your 1st language

kw

by pandering the fact that ur thought process is in english will confer you the arguable status of a native speaker.are you one?are you considered as one by the kweilos in particular and the asians in general?

[gnehkgnep]

I m just wondering.....if i can speak Hokkien, Cantonese and a bit of Mandarin.......m i a bit Chinese-less.......what makes it a benchmark to say Mandarin is a national language for all chinese.......and why if i do not know how to read/speak/write/hear Mandarin, i m label a banana??

how come!!??........is my skin less yellow.......or my brain too much of Muhibah??

And shud i learn all chinese dialects then only i m pure chinese??...
Either i m called ROJAK or bangsa MALAYSIA??.........hehehe .....which is which........

And from where they got this term (Sang chiau ren) in mandarin means banana man.......why izit associated to a person donno his/her own mothertongue..........i m half Hokkien/Hainan......and blimey......i onie know Hainan nan po ti nan.....kui po ti kui.........the rest ar........my grandpa did not teach........so shud i blame me grandpa........who shud i blame.....!!??


Tell me why!!......how man??.......any idea.......
si gee na.....sii chu lai bo kah lu chiak.....lu le eh hiau.......ang chua tak tan poh cheh pun ani pentan (hopeless kid.......when u r born no one teach u how to eat......u oso know.....how come learn some knowledge oso so stupid).......kanasai!!

[gnehkgnep]

So shud i answer back......??

ah pa........lim peh ka lu kong........na lau peh na kia......lu sii wah chu lai......lu mah si ani gong mah........(dad.....i tell u......like father like son......u give birth to me........so u oso so stupid lar.......)......huahahahawahaha ......

No offense k.........just some reference.......and laughter.......what a nice day!!

then my ah pa will say :

si ghee na.......boh tua boh suei......kiul lu tak che......ai lu ho.......lu kah wah kong chiau wei........*plap* *plap* *plap*......big rotan onto my butts........very painful lor........

(hopeless kid.......no big no small (NO MANNERS)........ask u to study....for your own good.........u talk cock to me).........

[Ski]

This thread has become a big rojak, what is it all about?

[gnehkgnep]

Sorry....i m off track a bit......too engross with my own agenda......hehe....soriiiieee

[penangkia]

Sorry....i m off track a bit......too engross with my own agenda......hehe....soriiiieee

Of track a bit ?? You have driven into the ravine and crashed on to a raging waterfall.

[orchipalar]

Quote:
Originally Posted by layman
what do u mean by english being ur 1st language?
i mean just that or you want it translated in cantonese.

are u implying that ur thought wavelenghts are in english?
yes, why do you find it unbelievable.

correct me if i m wrong- malaysian english is an adulterated form of english with unequivocal evidence of translating from chinese to english
eg why like that? sure or not? got ah?give me ABC -well thats not english!!!
Well you're wrong, some of us speak with proper english and not the sort of rubbish you expect from petaling street vcd peddlers.

and u make this audacious claim ,loud pronouncement that ur 1st language is english.u can never be in the same league as the englishman with ur accent and poor command of proper english spoken and written
what makes you think englishmen speak Queen's English, hello......even they have their irish, welsh slang what more us. And now you are condemning my command of the language......you sure your nick is layman and not your royal highness hahahahaha.

well its proven beyond any doubt indeed that studying in ur mother tongue is the best form of educating the kids- a study was done in Hk and canada where theres a large chinese immigrant community
Oh so now they are the benchmark. I'm sure you realise that Hong Kong has a different cultural mix as compared to us, the national language for pete sake is cantonese/mandarin, almost everything around them is in that language, doesn't that make learning easier..........duh.

are u not a chinese ethnically?dont u feel ashame of ur inability to communicate with ur fellow chinese in chinese
you see what i mean, this "don't you feel ashame" business is translated as you say earlier from chinese or malay, technically this action/feeling does not exist in my dictionary....seriously, try asking another person whose mother tongue is english but yellowish on the outside.

ask the kweilos if they do find it exotic strange and incomprehensible that 2 chinaman should be conducting their business in english???
If you consider yourself in the same league as the angmohs, which i do, i really wouldn't care what others would think of me, 'specially narrow-minded chinaman hahahaha.

Originally posted by Pets=Friends: Very well said, chang. Thank you.

Err...sorry...but Orchi is lost here...ahem...the response in red...whose is it?

[fatslab]

So shud i answer back......??

ah pa........lim peh ka lu kong........na lau peh na kia......lu sii wah chu lai......lu mah si ani gong mah........(dad.....i tell u......like father like son......u give birth to me........so u oso so stupid lar.......)......huahahahawahaha ......

No offense k.........just some reference.......and laughter.......what a nice day!!

then my ah pa will say :

si ghee na.......boh tua boh suei......kiul lu tak che......ai lu ho.......lu kah wah kong chiau wei........*plap* *plap* *plap*......big rotan onto my butts........very painful lor........

(hopeless kid.......no big no small (NO MANNERS)........ask u to study....for your own good.........u talk cock to me).........

haha...pengkheng, this reminded me of my friend's parent "communicate" with their children! true story...............

[penangkia]

Quote:

Err...sorry...but Orchi is lost here...ahem...the response in red...whose is it?

Orchi,

I thought I was the only one confused Hehehe

[kwchang]

Orchi,
I think Pets=Friends have a bit of a problem handling the quotation bits. When I read it, I was a bit annoyed when it was made to look like I was the one who said those words in RED.

To clarify - Pets=Friends is the one rebutting in Red and then she messed it up by patting me on my back by saying "Very well said, chang. Thank you".

If anyone is confused, please move to the earlier page and read my contribution. I am only trying to moderate here. As all things taken in moderation, we need to balance the diet a bit. I was hoping that those strongly in favour of ethnic languages as the rightful main language look at things in a different way. I was asking them to accept the diversity of language preferences and that it does not bastardise the person in any way.

[orchipalar]

Err...aarrrhhh...now Orchi is back on the trail...TQ...n ahem...it would remind Orchi...to NOT start an argument with Pets...

Err...IF a "yellow" banana is a term used to describe a chinese who doesn't either speak or understand...the widely spoken or written Mandarin language...ahem...perhaps a "white" banana could be a suitable term to describe a person lika Orchi...who could write or speak the England...but NOT understand it as much...?

Ahem...Orchi hopes this may NOT be seen as off topic...BUT until today...Orchi is still convinced that...the England language...is by far a VERY confusing language to learn or master...

Err...got too many homograph...

Ahem...any additions or comments?...TQ