Too much development and concrete surface
Notes extracted from the Star today - N16 Nation
...cannot overcome flash floods completely because there will always be new areas that get them due to development - even after we have resolved the problem in some areas...
The problem is there is too much development and concrete surface. If there were trees, the water will flow slowly. So now, we are trying to slow the water down by containing them in ponds...
Smart tunnel & retention ponds were built to prevent storm floods & could only help resolve some of the flash floods...
....advised consumers NOT to throw rubbish into the drains if they do NOT want flash floods in their area...
The above statements were made by Natural Resource and Environment Minister, Datuk Seri Azmi Khalid.
Finally, someone is talking some sense. I truly & sincerely believe that if Subang Ria was developed, eventually it will share the same fate as the USJ3A retention pond - irresponsible people will start to dirty the pond & its surrounding areas & drains will start to clog to ENCOURAGE flooding!
... And MPSJ, the culprit is encouraging all these to happen!!! They have probably FAILED to see & realise their MISTAKE!
Worst of all, they happen to be the LAW ENFORCERS! :mad:
Malaysia, macam-macam pun BOLEH! This saying is here to stay as long as there are people who DO NOT even know how to enforce the laws sensibly & practises 'SELECTIVE' enforcements! :eek:
Subang Ria Park - Sime UEP/MPPJ/MPSJ
Time could have faded the memory especially when things were out of track because of non-transparency. Many faded because a lot will have moved out and a lot more have moved in.
The Subang Ria phenomenon (messing of ownerships and liability) seems quite familiar when being there for more than 20 years. It clicks my mind on "Subang Square". Fortunately and funny to found that it is also reported in this website. It is also about REDEVELOPMENT of reserved land (for Wet Market) with mess on the budget and the holding up of allocation (Ratepayer money from MPSJ) and some ownership of properties and finally MPSJ do it with its own budget. It was when MPSJ was newly born and so happened with the "transfer or promote" of LHB from MPPJ to MPSJ. So, MPSJ had been bullied by MPPJ, but the ratepayers of Subang suffered!!
10-year news archives reveal intrigues on Subang Jaya wet market
"Return our assets and monies," Subang Jaya ratepayers tell MPPJ
"However, one factor that raises eyebrows is that the wet market project involved mega-bucks. The budget was increased from RM2 million in 1993, to RM8.5 million in 1996, and finally RM15 million in 2000."
When will MPPJ, the former administrator of the municipality, return the properties and budget allocation amounting to millions and righfully owned by the Subang Jaya ratepayers?
Many Subang Jaya ratepayers, some have been residents since the 1980's, told The usjXpress Team that they want MPSJ to recover the money fast before it gets buried with the passage of time.
Why so many noise on Public Hearings?
After briefly going through the Forum in this site on Batu Tiga flyover hearing , I can understand why a great number of MPSJ residents are frustrated towards public hearings when their Rights and life under MPSJ as much as to the State had been bullied in the following manner:
1. The officials involved are either Administrative illiterate or bully.
With the set-up of Government at State and Municipal level running under different income sources, the State Minster or the Chief of the Municipal did not even aware that they have different responsibility (and so decisive power) at different level. The road in this case was in fact an inter-municipal link with possible passing through some State Road. Therefore, suggestion could come from the State, but basically should seek the consent from the municipals concerned. If each and every municipal agreed to the proposal after seeking comment and objection from the residents, it can then be sent to the State for any co-ordination or support, if needed.
The Chief of Municipal of MPSJ had forgotten that he is paid by the rate-payer of his municipal and not the State. The lands for the LINK in those Zones are municipal properties.
THEREFORE, passing the Topic to the State for decision without settlement in each Zone had violated this principle. What are mentioned as to be open to all affected, should be for Zone if on Zone matter. Each Zone should have its own sayings and Rights of decision!
Getting another Zone to vote in another Zone is humiliating especially to be arranged by ADUN when the matter is an administrative procedure and not Voting!
2. What are the Duties (Not to be override by Power) of ADUN and Zone Chairman were confused. Both should be representing Residents on their Rights equally but only different level or Size of the district. But, sometimes, the Size could mislead that bigger size could override the Zone!
3. All of these “heads” are not rulers to dictate the Laws but be under the same piece of Law.
The Type of Closed-Door Hearing is scaring as reported on 26-8-2005:
“Ladies & Gentleman....today at about 3.15pm we were informed by MPSJ that the hearing will be conducted this coming Monday at 2,30pm!! Then again it seems that they want a closed door meeting with only 5 reps from each side..5 from Subang heights and 5 from USJ3ABCD. Due to this extraordinary circumstances,,...we will not ATTEND this hearing unless it is opened to all USJ residetial groups. This hearing will also be attended by UEP, JKR, Selat makmur (contractor for Subang Heights), MPSJ.....”
4. The Confusion of Who has the Rights and their restrictions:
a) Why Contractor for Subang Heights could sit in?
b) Why Subang Heights buyer (I assume not yet resident) can sit in?
c) Why EUP and all related parties should sit in for the whole extension of the Link – USJ3ABCD, USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 when each zone had not given their rights of decision in their own zone!
Therefore, all had happened because of (again) Non-Transparency, non-adherence to Rights & Obligations, to as much as BULLYING the residents with confusions with the basis that the laws, rules and regulations & proper procedures can totally be ignored or simply be manipulated.
In one posting which also humiliating because Subang Height was led by a “legal practitioner” who should know the laws (to mean Rights & obligations and procedures) and lead the battle to vote(?) in other zones!!
SO, WHAT CAN WE BASED ON?? Or, How the Government can convince the Residents that their Rights will be guided properly (by those MP) or JKP?
If residents could suggest actions by force, such as parking car to stop or delay the project, there will be hopeless confrontation, a Black Mark for the Government as the proper and Rightful Channel had been clogged by various reasons or efforts shown by the Residents but misled by the officials or even “Representative of People.”.
IF ANYONE FOLLOWED WHAT HAPPENED IN MPPJ, the JKP should had suggested STOP PAYING THE ASSESSMENT if not happy with the Municipal, or, Quit Rent, if towards the State Level!
Or, start raising RM10 for a fund towards BULLY ADMINISTRATION by LEGAL ACTION. If there is NO LEGAL PRACTITIONER(S) in this SIZEABLE and BETTER BEING DISTRICT as MPSJ to come out, another ingredient of justice is also SLEEPING!! So, ROTS continue!
The confusion of ownership of Road or assets, had already caused a lot of municipal road/asset to become Toll Highway or private under privatization.
If other State has a better practice, it may give an option for the residents. Any?
In a number of planned Cities, around the World, the State usually have Ring Road so that they have better freedom on deciding the Road into the Municipals and NO NEED TO BOTHER compensation when making the road into the Municipal. After seeing how many municipal road had turned into Highway by the State or Federal, the State or the Federal are in fact eating up assets not belong to them, either consciously or non-consciously!! Again, the Land Law could have been manipulated one way or the other similar to Subang Ria Park..
Return of the VampireSSSSSSS!!
JG - According to your call for documents in your Posting #61 on 13/6/2007 and your private email of 15/6, can you confirm an approval letter from MPPJ to PKNS on Wangsa Baiduri Project on Lot3067 & Lot1127 and the location map of these lots been received at you Fax of 7847XXXX. Therefore, the land for the proposed TAMAN DAGANGAN (1600 units) is on Lot 3067!!
Originally Posted by Dr. J George
Is this made you wrote the RIP to announce the "Death" of the Subang Ria Park as it can no more be a Public Park? But, shouldn't it be a "Breaking Point" to mobilize your contacts in the High Authority or include such demand in your Article of 18/6/2007 posted as #85 and also the time to call MPSJ/advise LHB to press the Rightful Developer to execute any Due liabilities on that Part of the Land and the Two Lakes?
While you are suggesting A silent Mode and also PC in his posting #93
Had you put forward this in your 3K meeting and notified this to your team as mentioned in
YOUR POSTING #23and your supporters of the SAVE SUBANG RIA CAMPAIGN? 4,600 signatures isn't it?
If you have passed out the document in the 3K meeting, I am sure any sensible participants, especially responsible "leader" of RA SHOULD STOP the hearing and help with the legal action. Or, to continue with the hearing with consolidated questions to LHB for his justification from ALL Department concerned on all the queries posted in or collected elsewhere via the JKP. I wonder who were participating the meeting as Zone 1 committee?
Once again YOUR POSTING #23
"But never mind - we are all still here and certainly better prepared this time! I will also speak to Dato Lee Hwa Beng - I know from my last conversation with him that he is strongly on our side to preserve Subang Ria! I will speak to him too!
LHB has been involved in the Wangsa Baiduri Project at least since 1995 when he was in MPPJ and up to the OBJECTION in 2005 and SO CALLED HEARING IN 2006
He should know Lots 3067 and 1127 are for Wangsa Baiduri Project for 1429 units. But, up to now, records had shown:
1. The club for us had never delivered since 1987/88
2. The Club and a piece of land for Spring Villa had been manipulated into the Hotel.
3. There are other irregularities in other approvals, including the last hearings which can be on account of MPSJ but surely LHB cannot be excused. (So, may be this a good reason not to be Chairman of the coming hearing!!)
4. Posted in #45 by robertec
Taman Kediaman 1 – Development still Unknown
Taman Kediaman 2 – 28 storey Apartment
are in fact the existing Summer Villa, Spring Villa & Subang Boulevard (last approved as 17-storey under the name of Villa Meridian) (named as Tamn Kediaman 1 in this "ReDevelopment)
and Taman Kediamen 2 (the only possibility is Subang Boulevard II which could be what was proposed in last hearing. But, it was approved previously for 21-Storey!) when referred to robertac post #45 in “REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL"
If referring to the Redevelopment
Taman Kediaman 1 - 800 units
Taman Kediaman 2 - 500 units
and the Town House (485 units) labeled as "Wangsa Baiduri" in the ReDevelopment, MPSJ or/and LHB had made a magic
1. in turning 1429 units into 1785 units.
2. A building of 17-storey into 30 storey
3. A 21 storey into 28 storey
4. The "fading" of Club facilities not in the eyes but in papers and operations
5. Condo into Apartments.
6. A "Gated Condominium Project" since 1986 up to today can only shows Townhouse and Apartments without the respective facilities and not even the 10% of Green Land!!
Therefore, all are known to LHB and even some were handled by him. SO, ANY REASON FOR LHB TO PROPOSE THE HEARING and be said that "he is strongly on our side to preserve Subang Ria" which is at the generosity of Wangsa Baiduri Townhouse, Spring Villa, Summer Villa, Subang Boulevard I and the coming Boulevard II (if no one voids the last hearing within 6 years and be extensible until those find out later!AND, THAT DOESN'T NOT NEED NUMBER TO GO. And, LHB knows that could be at least 1000 chance to start when refers to the last Objection or Hearing even with the excuse of those in the "hearing"! - Those involved needs a STRONG HEART to go!)
Right at the beginning, I was misled not to consider the Condos as I thought we at the Townhouse was Wangsa Baiduri and so our Club was non-delivered and the Club was for Spring & Summer Villa only that came later!
THE BULLIES IS NOT ON SUBANG RIA "PARK" BUT THE BULLIES WHICH COULD HAVE FOUND IN MANY OTHER PROJECTS UNDER MPPJ AND MPSJ.
Any Politicians to help, PLEASE SHOW Responsibility to pass out the facts, give advices and the Right Action! Words are good but responsibilities and at least courtesy are expected!
Any responsible RA should verify the Facts, pass to their Residents and STOP the BULLY Political operation on NORMAL, DAILY, FUNDAMENTAL Administration operation of Offices to whom Rates or Taxes are paid!!
HEARING TO BE DONE?
& SO A WRONG WILL BE DONE!
NOW IN HOLIDAY VILLA
NEXT WILL BE IN COURT LAH!
to count the Vampires
who dreamed of Empires
Want to sell?
Beware of Cells?
Subang Ria Park - SIME UEP??
Report from the Sun 08/05/2005
The fIrst to raise questions was Subang Jaya assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng,
who wanted to know the direction of development in Subang Jaya and the status of
the Subang Ria public park.
"This park makes up 10% of the green area from SS12 to SSI9.
"However, this plot was not surrendered to the state for recreational purpose as
required," said Lee, adding that this should have been done in the late 70s and early
To ask developer Sime UEP to surrender the park now Will put the state in a messy
situation as the private owners have been paying assessment for he 7ha property all
State planning director Datin Paduka Dr Halimaton Saadiah Hashim said: "We admit
it was a mistake (not taking over the land) and the 10% land was sold off."
1. Another Version of the Ownership & Size??
2. Could Wangsa Baiduri with approval in 1986 be required to surrender land in early 80s?
PKNS - Water Retention Pond - Kelena Jaya Lake
"The lake, which is located in the land intended for development, serves
as a water retention pond."
So, are those in Subang Ria "Park", especially in Lot 3067 being "assigned" from PKNS should have similar element?
Will someone fighting for Kelena Jaya Lake come to help? With the heart for the society? Or, being friends to the RA or JKP?
Subang Ria Park- Redevelopment of Water Retention Ponds???
After visiting other Section of this Web
for period July & August 2005.
http://hwabeng.org.my/node/291 - 5/4/2007
LHB: "As for the work in Subang Ria near SJMC, they are actually building a car park. It will initially be a temporary car park for SJMC when they are [/U]building car parks (800) and wards in the existing SJMC car park. After that, this temporary car park in Subang Ria will be turned into a public car park for Subang Ria users. This issue was discussed with the JKP representatives of Subang Jaya and they have agreed."
"On another issue, Sime UEP has proposed to MPSJ to develop Subang Ria. I had arranged a meeting between Sime UEP and JKP reps. They have given their views and Sime will resubmit to MPSJ."
"After that, I will arrange for a public hearing through the press. If there are objections, then MPSJ will turn down their proposal."
Can I interpret the flow of "consultations" were
On the MPSJ Structural Plan: LHB-->JKP -->JKPs-->LHB
On the Subang Ria Park: LHB-->JKP+UEP-->UEP-->LHB-->Hearing
Did residents who had been encouraged to object been advised with enough material background (Facts) from these communication? such as
1) Something did fixed in related to Subang Ria "Park" in the MPSJ Structural Plan.
2) The Re-Development of Subang Ria "Park" was Re-development of Water Retention Pond that was aware by at least some of those JKP and the Adviser,
with case in Kelena Jaya Lake and Kota Damansara
May I ask why what had been set in the Selangor Structural Plan and MPSJ Structural Plan in related to the Subang Ria Park was not posted at least along with the "Re-Development" Proposal when a great number of JKP are aware of? Should this info be in the SILENT mode to the Residents? This already constituted a good point for nullifying any hearing!!
ARE WE IN THE FISH MARKET OF GAROUPERS & BUTTERFLYFISH after Red Herrings??
IF THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE ACTION DONE BY THOSE WHO CAN, IN THIS FORUM, THERE SHOULD BE RIPs for at least the Social Responsibility, Professional Consciousness, the Heart of Public Servants, or sense of Community.
Why PJ can work and not SJ/USJ? See PJ vs MPPJ
Some years ago, some kids were jailed (if I am not mistaken) because they put their fingers crossed when witnessing a youth being beaten to death! Should we be worse than those kids?? Who could be frightened because of their age and experience during that instance! Subang Ria is a matter of years!
Most probably, the missing step before all could be done is to pray. "GOD SAVE THE SOULS!!" !!
WHEN HOUSING MATTER HAVE BEEN SUCH A BIG MESS ON THE EXISTING, CAN SELANGOR DEVELOP 43,300 HECTARES MORE UP TO 2020? A mess that cannot even be rectified after 20 years or more for a so called Subang Ria Park which is even have to be hidden from the fact that they are WATER RETENTION PONDS and to be proposed and heard after Kota Damansara, KL & JB floodingS??
PLEASE PUBLISH THE REPORT FROM DID (The Drainage and Irrigation Department) for Such Re-Development!!
Again, "GOD SAVE THE SOULS"!!
I forget to mention that the last tale of "cooking Rocks into a Good Soup" was made possible with a man of WISDOM and "CREDIBILITIES".