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USJ27Resident
18-10-2005, 02:22 PM
Pretty scary stuff - don't you think?

The 'experts' are predicting that this 'pandemic' is inevitable... sooner or later this H5N1 virus is gonna mutate and have a fatality rate of up to 50% :eek:

Imagine, the slightest indication of flu symptoms like sniffles, sneezing, running noses, cough and fever - and people starting to avoid each other like the plague. Remember the SARS situation... deserted malls and falling business... If this bird flu pandemic happens... it is definately gonna be worst than the SARS incident.

I hate to think of the strain and toll it is gonna have on our medical and health services.

Hopefully it not be as grim as it is currently portrayed.. :(

Ski
18-10-2005, 03:08 PM
We shoud be very concerned i hope the Government is screening the poultry that we are consuming. Its fast spreading in Europe and latest it has reached Greece

penangkia
18-10-2005, 03:10 PM
The world is getting more experienced with this sort of things. SARS caught everyone by surprise, initially HK and China even denied that it was wide spread.
This time around, the bell rung early. Hopefully it was early enough.

A virus that is being spread by migrating birds is no easy thing to control.

With winter coming, let hope these migrating birds flying south will miss bolehland.

Where is our KFC chickens coming from err?

palmdoc
18-10-2005, 03:13 PM
Yes we should be worried and once the virus mutates to allow efficient human-human transmission there'll be big trouble. Even Tamilflu may not work as well as hoped in view of developing resistance. Vaccines? Not being developed and produced fast enough.

http://medicine.com.my/wp/index.php?s=bird+flu
http://www.vadscorner.com/h5n1.html

How many will die once there is a pandemic only God knows.
Oh and btw, Pegaga leaves won't save you all. Just in case another rumour breaks out :p

ksj_cool
18-10-2005, 03:15 PM
If you ask me, all poultry shd be slaughtered and farmers compensated...then we all can turn vegetarian...avoid all meat...live longer

palmdoc
18-10-2005, 03:25 PM
What about the sparrows and migratory birds. Slaughter them all too? :rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
19-10-2005, 11:01 AM
What about the sparrows and migratory birds. Slaughter them all too? :rolleyes:

wei... slaughter the wrong bird and that is called circumcision.... :p

Seriously, hopefully the medical and pharmaceutical giants are working on a viable vaccine before it is too late...

The last flu pandemic ( circa 1918 ) killed millions.... more than the war casualties of World War One... :(

Zimon
19-10-2005, 11:18 AM
Bird Flu appears to hit "flying creatures", just wondering, would Bats be infected and then spread it too?
I do know bats' dropping emits an obnoxious smell and is dirty, perhaps its a likely "carrier" candidate too.

Timo
19-10-2005, 11:19 AM
Should we be concerned? Yes. Should we panic? No.

The fact is is the virus is still does not transmit freely between humans - and there is no evidence to suggest that it will any time soon. So, there is no need to panic, it only makes things worse. And no point of us sitting on our laurels waiting for vaccines and cures either - vaccines should only be 'reserved' for people with high exposure to the virus. I actually hope vaccines will not be available to public, for two reasons. Firstly, the public is stupid and sooner or later all the vaccines in the world will be sold to a minority of people who probably don't even need it, leaving other poorer, sicker communities vulnerable. Secondly we don't want the virus 'getting used' to our immune system and mutating into something worse.

The best way to stop it is precaution. For people like you and me, that means good hygiene. Proper storing and cooking of food. This culture of good hygiene should also be transferred to poultry farmers or to anyone who keeps any poultry (most human cases of bird flu occur in rural areas where poor people keep a few hens) - we can do this buy choosing to purchase our meat from certified 'clean' poulty farmers. Or from new-age-health-food junkies.

penangkia
19-10-2005, 03:55 PM
If good hygiene is the only thing to worry about, then I think it's really not a big deal problem, isn't it?

When it comes to human to human spread, what hygiene are we talking about?

Anyone knows in what manner the virus is spread from human to human?

palmdoc
20-10-2005, 06:01 AM
You may be interested to read
The coming bird flu pandemic: are we prepared? (http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=294)
The links to Nature Journal are very informative and interesting.

Ski
20-10-2005, 08:12 AM
HI

This is good website to answer all your queries in Avian flu

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avian_faqs/en/index.html

palmdoc
20-10-2005, 09:18 AM
Good link - added that to the post ;)

USJ27Resident
21-10-2005, 12:41 AM
HI

This is good website to answer all your queries in Avian flu

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avian_faqs/en/index.html

Seems to me and W.H.O. - that it is a matter of not if but when , and then we will be in deep trouble...... :eek:

Ski
21-10-2005, 08:47 AM
Thailand confirms 13th bird flu death, Gosh!! thats is too close for comfort. It's about time our government closes its door to imported poultry and register all chicken farms and monitor them, before its too late.

lonewolf8
21-10-2005, 09:41 AM
A quote came to my thought on this bird flu pandemic. In movie "Outbreak", there is an opening line, which stated, "The demise of mankind is not due to nuclear war but due to a worldwide epidemic caused by a virus”.

Hopefully, WHO and other health officers around the world can find a vaccine against it soon.

penangkia
21-10-2005, 10:18 AM
If we are not already preparing for a pandemic, then the ministry of health is taking a bigger risk than needed. Of couse we hope it comes (the pandemic) but we have to prepare for the worst.

In Britain, they have started stockpiling millions of doses of vaccine and working with manufacturers to produce more. US, EU, China and Australia have all gone on red alert. Experts are now saying that a pandemic is not a question of "if but when".
In this sort of situation, it is better to be proven wrong than right. We should not try to be too cool and do little as far as preparations are concerned.
I hope our authorities are well informed.

Apart from the massive human casulties in the event of a pandemic, the golbal economy will suffer a meltdown. Many businesses will come to a near standstill... hotels,resorts, restaurants, entertainment outlets, shopping, theaters, business and social travels, airlines, railways, cruises, conferences, exhibitions,sports, local and foreign investments, stockmarkets and... all will be greatly affected.
If you think this is an exaggeration, just go back a couple of years to be reminded how SARS affected E. Asia esp. HK and China. If you compare SARS to the pandemic of the early 20th century where tens of millions perished, Sars was but a small fart and yet its economic impact was so severe.
Sciences may have progressed in medical treatments and responses this last 50 years, but we have not advanced much in terms of spread containment of deadly virus and its carriers. In fact, in the last 20 years or so, we have aided viruses and bacterias to migrate easier and faster with the mega scale human cross boundary travels on a daily basis.

penangkia
21-10-2005, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=penangkia]If we are not already preparing for a pandemic, then the ministry of health is taking a bigger risk than needed. Of couse we hope it comes (the pandemic) but we have to prepare for the worst.


Oops...Correction. Should Read: ....Of course, we hope it won't come.......

Ski
24-10-2005, 05:15 PM
According to Bangkok Post Malaysian border police have foiled an attempt to smuggle in 12,000 kilogrammes of frozen chicken meat from Thailand, police said Monday.

Customs officers at the northern Malaysia-Thailand border stopped a lorry claiming to be carrying a fruit consignment from Thailand late Sunday, said department director Che Jamil Ahmad.

However, police discovered the frozen chicken meat, worth 72,000 Malaysian ringgit (780,979 baht) contained in boxes stored inside the lorry.
Malaysia has banned the import of poultry and chicken products from all countries affected by the bird flu virus.

We dont know how many thousands of kilos of chicken has passed through without being detected. At the moment there is a big demand for chicken for the festive season. This sounds frightening, better be wary of your purchases

USJ27Resident
13-12-2005, 04:48 PM
Indonesia confirms 9th death linked to H5N1 link (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/12/13/worldupdates/2005-12-13T061053Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-227721-1&sec=Worldupdates)

Not forgetting that this is the 4th largest populous country in the world but with the least ability to contain an outbreak...

If things gets from bad to worst there... we would be on the forefront of a deadly epidemic :eek: I pray that the FOMEMA fellas and the doctors are really, really screening the workers coming in from these affected countries... This is one thing the authorities cannot blame 3rd parties if the worst happens here... The cost to recover would be tremendous... :(