Non-chinese in chinese schools

[ng]

I was passing by a chinese primary school (lai ming) near KLCC yesterday when suddenly the school was finishing classes. What I saw was quite unbelievable :eek: . There were quite a number of malay and indians kids coming out from that school !

Now if the demand for chinese primary school is even from the non-chinese, shouldn't the government do something to alleviate the congestion ? :D

[USJ27Resident]

I was passing by a chinese primary school (lai ming) near KLCC yesterday when suddenly the school was finishing classes. What I saw was quite unbelievable :eek: . There were quite a number of malay and indians kids coming out from that school !

Now if the demand for chinese primary school is even from the non-chinese, shouldn't the government do something to alleviate the congestion ? :D

These are smart kids with smart parents.... :D

The problem with kebangsaan school nowadays is not the school.... its the teachers... mostly half baked... :rolleyes:

The government to do something... no way... you'd probably see the "keris" incident again... sheeesh!

[aroki]

These are smart kids with smart parents.... :D

The problem with kebangsaan school nowadays is not the school.... its the teachers... mostly half baked... :rolleyes:

abang,

jangan lah macam itu....doesn't mean that only smart parents send smart kids to chinese schools....those who don't send them there are all bodoh??gua punya sekolah dulu banyak students from chinese school and there were smart ones as well as not so smart one regardless whether they were chinese or non chinese. And had no problem competing with the ex chinese school smart students in class.

BTW notice how chinese school parents don't know how to obey road signs or traffic rules...and they are the smart one? :rolleyes:

do agree about the school teachers...when you don't choose the best that is what happens. and you as a parent will want the best for your kid and if that means chinese school, that is where they will send. But doesn't mean the rest are not smart...

[mon]

..correcto...being very highly educated doesn't make one naturally intelligent..no offence, just my point of view...

[orchipalar]

..correcto...being very highly educated doesn't make one naturally intelligent..

Err...righto...n also...it does NOT mean that one is wise... :)

[Lexus]

Hehe..why dont we go for Sri Kl?? :D :D

[sly]

abang,

jangan lah macam itu....doesn't mean that only smart parents send smart kids to chinese schools....those who don't send them there are all bodoh??gua punya sekolah dulu banyak students from chinese school and there were smart ones as well as not so smart one regardless whether they were chinese or non chinese. And had no problem competing with the ex chinese school smart students in class.

BTW notice how chinese school parents don't know how to obey road signs or traffic rules...and they are the smart one? :rolleyes:

do agree about the school teachers...when you don't choose the best that is what happens. and you as a parent will want the best for your kid and if that means chinese school, that is where they will send. But doesn't mean the rest are not smart...

very well said aroki....bravo bravo.... ;) to be in chinese schools means they (non-chinese) dont lose out from learning chinese languages....but at the end of the day, not all chinese school leavers is gonna be successful in life if they're not taught to think out of the box....i noticed a lot chinese kids dont like to be outstanding...they prefer to be generic...unlike my time when i'm in kebangsaan schools...

[layman]

most compelling reason 4 sending ur kids 2 a chinese school is to instill heavy dose of discipline to them

immensely successful in this regard compared to the national type schools

[idolfan]

most compelling reason 4 sending ur kids 2 a chinese school is to instill heavy dose of discipline to them

immensely successful in this regard compared to the national type schools


yup I would even venture further and say the flame is put out and there is no more spirit in the kids..

But I will not generalize.. just a observation I had when I witnessed a primary school choir competition in Subang.. you can see the Chinese school choir was very well disciplined, lining up and sitting down quietly .. not to say that the nat'l school choirs were rowdy but like kids their age there defn'tly was chatting and fidgetting. When it came to the performance the Chinese school choir did technically well but somehow the kids didn't seem to be enjoying themselves .. like there was no soul in their eyes..

anyway .. I am not personally judging Tamil schools or Chinese schools vs. Nat'l schools..they all need some serius reform very soon.

[kotontech]

Real sad story about teaching standards and the way how gov schools are run. The last time I was inside a sekolah kebangsaan was during my son's std 3 school presentation day in 2000. Being dutiful, took time off for the day and after long delay it started, doa selamat by a teacher, then doa selamat and sermon by a specially invited utaz, then doa selamat by the headmaster. Everytime they say it we (majority non muslims parents who came for prize giving ceremony) got to stand up......then the topic of the day was about bumi students successes.....I got up halfway, took my family and left, for good.And this was supposed to be sekolah kebangsaan with majority chineses students in Damansara Utama.

[idolfan]

Hehe..why dont we go for Sri Kl?? :D :D


lol.. are your kids really in Sri KL... tell us how much you pay for their time there.. and also please tell us that you're kids do not have tuition and are turning out right. ..

End of the day.. parents involvement will be the defining factor .. not so much which school.

[Ski]

Yes, they might be more disciplined but i find children educated from National Type or more racial orientated and are able to interact with other races rather then stick to their own race and become self centered...which I find not healthy in the long run.

[USJ27Resident]

.... BTW notice how chinese school parents don't know how to obey road signs or traffic rules...and they are the smart one? :rolleyes:

do agree about the school teachers...when you don't choose the best that is what happens. and you as a parent will want the best for your kid and if that means chinese school, that is where they will send. But doesn't mean the rest are not smart...


:( errr.... that was what I meant...

I must agree though... that most parents are also terribly indescribable when it comes to road signs and rules... but can you blame them... the school buses are hardly adequate and safe, the privateers are equally as bad and last but not least - the safety of the kids themselves cannot be guranteed as there have had been numerous cases of kidnappings ...

So one might be smart enough to send the kids to the best schools and then have no choice but to be road hogs - just to make sure that their kids come home - safe and still breathing!

As for kebangsaan schools - I might have to rephase that :p ... ie... that some of the kebangsaan schools have "half baked" teachers...

my little girl is going to standard one* next year (4 months time!) .... and guess what, the teacher-to-be is already asking the parents to buy "work books".... :rolleyes: now, if the teachers are gonna be using work books to do homework and revisions, what is the point of being in school to learn.... ? I might as well just go and buy the workbooks myself and teach my kid at home.... :p Wife is seriously considering taking the option of sending her to the chinese school after all... :o

[aroki]

:( errr.... that was what I meant...

I must agree though... that most parents are also terribly indescribable when it comes to road signs and rules... but can you blame them... the school buses are hardly adequate and safe, the privateers are equally as bad and last but not least - the safety of the kids themselves cannot be guranteed as there have had been numerous cases of kidnappings ...

So one might be smart enough to send the kids to the best schools and then have no choice but to be road hogs - just to make sure that their kids come home - safe and still breathing!

As for kebangsaan schools - I might have to rephase that :p ... ie... that some of the kebangsaan schools have "half baked" teachers...

my little girl is going to standard one* next year (4 months time!) .... and guess what, the teacher-to-be is already asking the parents to buy "work books".... :rolleyes: now, if the teachers are gonna be using work books to do homework and revisions, what is the point of being in school to learn.... ? I might as well just go and buy the workbooks myself and teach my kid at home.... :p Wife is seriously considering taking the option of sending her to the chinese school after all... :o
alex san,

safety..ha ha...doing u turn on tujuan at the traffic lights at ss19 to get to usj, that is safe??...going against traffic on a one way, that is safe??....sorry but this ppl don't really care of safety of their kids...they just want to be kiasu and get home regardless of the danger. Now if they all followed the rules, things will be more orderly. But no. and what are they teaching their kids. Think about that.smart enough but care sh!t about safety of their kids!!!No one is against them fetching the kids due to kidnapping or not...so that is not the issue.BTW smart school doesn't necessarily produce smart kids and vice versa.

some schools - 6 yr olds must attend compulsory school on sat/sun prior to standard one...a head start...burn out rate must be high there. ;)

try sri kl, sedaya and cahaya if you are lookingfor alternative....need to pay though...wanting the best doesn't equal to a smart parent or smart kid.sorry.

[USJ27Resident]

aroki-san.... "kowtow" to you la.... true in what you say .... in evry sense

[aroki]

aroki-san.... "kowtow" to you la.... true in what you say .... in evry sense
bro- no need kow tow...gua 'pai seh'lah...we are here to learn and exchange ideas and hear views from others even if it against our views... :cool:

[USJ27Resident]

bro- no need kow tow...gua 'pai seh'lah...:

kahkahkah! :D .... so funny la this forum.... cina sound like indian...(refering to orchi.... :D ), then got indian sound so much like cina... refering to who ah? ....

i can bet if the FBI were to get/do a PROFILER on you guys here... sure they wud pening kepala... :p

[orchipalar]

Hehehee...err...Alex:)...don't forget the one of our malay friends...who sounds like cina n indian...both at the same time...muhibbah lar :D

[aroki]

and a chinaman who looks like malay. ;) Kita muhibbahlah. :D

[USJ27Resident]

Hehehee...err...Alex:)...don't forget the one of our malay friends...who sounds like cina n indian...both at the same time...muhibbah lar :D

:D orrrrr hai-lorr... Mack must be coughing his lungs out... ( and wondering izzit the ciggies or somebody talking about him.... :p )


come to think about it.... muhibbah :D - or just to bluddy confused to be bothered .... LOL!

[uchangeng]

Chinese school has it's weakness also, the students are generally poorer in language skill compared to national school.

My two sons went to Chinese school, out of economic reason, because at the rate China growing economy, I know by the time they grow up, the Chinese language will be a major language in this part of the world.

As Hisham pointed out rightly today in the Utusan, there are only 22 million people who speak Malay as compared to some billion who do the Chinese language.

One thing I find the Chinese school better by comparison is the teacher committment and the value system. This does not means the national school has lower value, but the Chinese school pay more attention to it.

[idolfan]

:( errr
As for kebangsaan schools - I might have to rephase that :p ... ie... that some of the kebangsaan schools have "half baked" teachers...

my little girl is going to standard one* next year (4 months time!) .... and guess what, the teacher-to-be is already asking the parents to buy "work books".... :rolleyes: now, if the teachers are gonna be using work books to do homework and revisions, what is the point of being in school to learn.... ? I might as well just go and buy the workbooks myself and teach my kid at home.... :p Wife is seriously considering taking the option of sending her to the chinese school after all... :o

The workload in terms of class and homework is very much higher in Chinese schools.. dunno if necessarily better for kids of that age..

If you can work out transport arrangements another option would be to try and enrol your kids in the bestari/smart schools in Putrajaya/Cyberjaya.. my guess is these schools will have the best teachers, low student/teacher ratios and state-of-the-art facilities.. hopefully eventually all schools in the country will be of similar high standards.. probably wishful thinking on my part.

[USJ27Resident]

If you can work out transport arrangements another option would be to try and enrol your kids in the bestari/smart schools in Putrajaya/Cyberjaya.. my guess is these schools will have the best teachers, low student/teacher ratios and state-of-the-art facilities.. hopefully eventually all schools in the country will be of similar high standards.. probably wishful thinking on my part.


:( Unfortunately... not with the present rate of fuel increases... sending her there or arranging transport there wud eventual cost an arm and a leg... and my bank account! Might as well use that money to send her to Sri KL... RM8,000 per year for primary... :eek:

[layman]

My two sons went to Chinese school, out of economic reason, because at the rate China growing economy, I know by the time they grow up, the Chinese language will be a major language in this part of the world.

well conventional wisdom - be a master of the mother tongue before embarking to be proficient in a 2nd language

english will always be an alien language to asians.i do not see any decline in FDI to thailand or vietnam.however,in the philippines and malaysia where english is widely spoken there has been a precipitous fall in FDI

perhaps language is relegated to a remote role when investment $ is concerned

[Vito Corleone]

Whatever school your kids attend (depending on your criteria) , you just have to make sure they can speak and read their mother tongue. If you somehow have missed out the opportunity to learn your own language, make sure your kids don't. If you believe kids from chinese school speak little english, i'm sure something can be done to help them improve.

At present, there are more singaporean chinese pupils who are able read & write chinese than malaysia's. And i'm pretty sure that they are very capable in english.

For adult bananas, your mother tongue could be beyond your reach. But for your kids, please think twice. It has got much more to do with economy and opportunity.

p.s.
In today's news, chinese GOVERNMENT schools get only 2.2% out of the RM66mil education fund from our GOVERNMENT. Most chinese schools are cramped, and with very run-down facilities.

Base on the statistics, 22% of our govrn elementry schools are chinese schools. If allocated fairly, they should be getting 22%, which is RM14.5mil.

And yet,

Some malays and indians are sending their kids to chinese schools because they see the value of it. And yet, some chinese think sending kids to chinese school can do more damage than good.

[ng]

Why Did They Choose Chinese Primary Schools?
Updated:2005-09-05 19:48:00 MYT


If there is really anything which can never be defeated, it must be the Chinese education in Malaysia.

Indeed, because of its hardiness, it has waded past the loneliness of the colonial days and the brutality of the Japanese Imperial Army, to give rise to 1,288 Chinese primary schools, 60 independent Chinese secondary schools and three private institutions of tertiary education in this country.

That is a journey quite unlike others, a long and winding road. Because of the countless uncertainties ahead of it, it forges ahead without looking back. Because of the towering hills blocking its way, it is clad in soothing verdure. Because of the rocks standing on its way, it has created glorious waves. And because of the persistence and selfless contributions of some, it has flourished into something of a legendary magnitude in the country's education history.

Today, there are some 640,000 students enrolled in the country's Chinese primary schools, 60,000 or about a tenth of whom non-Chinese. If not because Chinese primary schools across Malaysia have been packed to the seams, more non-Chinese parents are expected to enrol their kids there.

Why do these non-Chinese parents send their kids to Chinese primary schools instead of national primarys schools which are more superior in teaching facilities?

That, is indeed a question which our former prime minster Tun Dr Mahathir finds it hard to understand. As such, he proposed recently that an academic investigation be carried out to find out why more and more non-Chinese parents have sent their children to Chinese primary schools. He wants to know whether these parents do so purely to make their kids learn the Chinese language, or simply because Chinese primary schools are actually better run.

I sincerely hope that the leaders of this country will break through the limitations of ethnically oriented education to inspect the country's education system from a more objective and macroscopic perspective.

Undeniably, there is a huge gap between what the leaders and what the Chinese community thinks about the country's education issues. Chinese primary schools have often been conveniently labelled as stumbling blocks of the nation's progress and solidarity, which is hardly a secret at all. And because of that, Chinese primary schools have been continuously marginalised and their development neglected, resulting in perennial shortage of qualified teachers.

Some of our leaders believe that as long as we run the national primary schools properly, allowing them to have the best teachers and facilites, Chinese parents would naturally send their kids there to study. But things don't always go that way. Today, not only do Chinese parents send their children to Chinese primary schools, an increasing number of non-Chinese parents are also doing the same.

The reason for Chinese parents to send their children to Chinese primary schools cannot be simpler than passing down the cultural heritage. And because of that, the Chinese community remains unwavering on the issue of Chinese education and will never compromise on it.

As for non-Chinese parents sending their children to Chinese primary schools, their motive is largely profit-oriented. If you don't believe me, you can always find out yourself. Chances are that you will be told that they believe their future is brighter if they get some knowledge of the Chinese language. Simple enough.

As a matter of fact, the increasing enrolment of non-Chinese students at Chinese primary schools pose a very serious question to the schools themselves. Some schools even take the initiative to remind non-Chinese parents that sending their children to Chinese primary schools might not be the right option for them, as their children may encounter communication problems there.

Nevertheless, few parents change their minds.

I still remember an Indian parent said, "This is my youngest son. He has three elder brothers, two graduating from national primary schools, and one from a Chinese primary school. They have all started working now. The two brothers from national schools never take home a single cent, only the one graduating from Chinese primary school cares for the family and sends home money every month. So, that's it!"

Perhaps the Indian parent did not have much idea what the Chinese culture was all about, however he knew very well how different the son in Chinese school was.

If Dr Mahathir has ever heard what he said, perhaps he could have a clearer understanding of the unique features of Chinese education.


Sin Chew Daily

[orchipalar]

Err...dear Ng:)...thanks for highlighting the news in here...it has been a good read for Orchi...:)

Ahem...come to remember it...our dear MackZulkifli:)...had once told Orchi that...he could also send his children...to a chinese school...nearby...:)

Err...Orchi believes...he could be making a sound decision on it...way to go Mack:)

[idolfan]

Why Did They Choose Chinese Primary Schools?
Updated:2005-09-05 19:48:00 MYT



Why do these non-Chinese parents send their kids to Chinese primary schools instead of national primarys schools which are more superior in teaching facilities?

whether these parents do so purely to make their kids learn the Chinese language, or simply because Chinese primary schools are actually better run.

I sincerely hope that the leaders of this country will break through the limitations of ethnically oriented education to inspect the country's education system from a more objective and macroscopic perspective.

Chinese primary schools have been continuously marginalised and their development neglected, resulting in perennial shortage of qualified teachers.

Some of our leaders believe that as long as we run the national primary schools properly, allowing them to have the best teachers and facilites, Chinese parents would naturally send their kids there to study.

But things don't always go that way. Today, not only do Chinese parents send their children to Chinese primary schools, an increasing number of non-Chinese parents are also doing the same.

The reason for Chinese parents to send their children to Chinese primary schools cannot be simpler than passing down the cultural heritage. And because of that, the Chinese community remains unwavering on the issue of Chinese education and will never compromise on it.



Sin Chew Daily



I am not really sure that nat'l schools are superior in facilities.. besides the ones in Putrajaya or some residential schools..

Chinese schools have thrived thxs to self help.. thru' the hard fundraising efforts within the community.. Kudos to them..

As for funding of nat'l schools.. one wonders where have all the money that has been allocated and spent over the years gone.. do we see the results downstream? its sad isn't it.

[yokeimm]

Thank you Ng. That was a good read. Our kiddies are in Chinese school because it was a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. On one hand we have the Chinese schools with insane amount of workload and since I cannot read, write or speak Mandarin, meant the kiddies have to attend tuition classes just to play catch-up. On the other hand, the kebangsaan schools with lackadisical attitude. So how? We thought better the devil we know than the deep blue sea with untold, unkown danger deep down. I still curse and swear everytime my kiddies have to work through week-ends to complete their school assignments. One can never win ~ can one? Sigh!!

[kwchang]

I think this should go to the "education" thread which is in the micro-communities' section. Look for it there when you can't find it in the main forum - I'll let this simmer awhile for people to catch the message....

[idolfan]

sounds good kw.. ty.

would someone please enlighten me on how Chinese-type schools operate.. as far as I know there is little aid and interference from the ministry.

What subjects are taught in primary schools and what is the timetable like..textbooks and .. public exams set by ministry ? .. more importantly what about teachers and headmasters.. are they hired independantly from the ministry? thxs in advance. :)