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Ski
24-08-2005, 03:47 PM
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1) Pump up your tyres

Keeping your tyres inflated is one of the easiest and most important things. Saving petrol means saving money one can do to improve fuel economy. If a range is recommended by the anufacturer, the higher pressure should be used to maximize fuel efficiency. Deflated tyres run hot and jeopardize safety. It will also cause the tyres to wear out prematurely, affect the vehicles adversely, and hurt the fuel economy by increasing the rolling resistance.
Tyres lose about 1 psi pressure per month due to air loss caused by
the tyre hitting holes, bumps and kerbs. Therefore, the tyres should be checked at least once a month. Just 1 tyre deflated by 2 psi will result in a 1% increase in fuel consumption.

2) Drive at moderate speed

Avoiding high speeds on open roads results in safer driving and
better fuel economy. In highway driving, over 50% of the power
produced by the engine is used to overcome aerodynamic drag. Drag and thus fuel consumption increases rapidly at speeds above
90km/h. On the average, a car uses about 15% more fuel at 100km/h, and 25% more fuel at 110km/h compared to when it is doing only 90km/h. However, this should not lead one to conclude that the lower the speed, the better the fuel economy - because it is not. The fuel consumption of an average car increases sharply at speeds below 50km/h.

3) Clean the air-filter regularly

Clogged air filters increase fuel consumption by restricting airflow to the engine, and thus should be cleaned/replaced when necessary.
Clogged air filters can increase fuel consumption by up to 10%.

4) Use thinner tyres

Tyres with thick width will improve the handling of your car. However, it will also increase your car's fuel consumption. Thicker tyres mean more rolling resistance, and thus will consume more fuel.

5) Start up the car properly

With today's cars, it is not necessary to prime the engine first by
pumping the accelerator pedal repeatedly.Do not crank the engine
excessively This only wastes fuel.When starting the engine, idle it no more than 30 seconds to warm it up. An engine will warm up faster on the road. However, avoid sudden acceleration before the engine has warmed up sufficiently.

6) Drive in high gear (overdrive)

The engine runs most efficiently between around 1,500 and 2,500rpm.
To maintain these low revs you should change up through the gears as soon as practical and before the revs reach 2500 rpm.
For automatic transmission cars, you should always switch on your
overdrive to help save fuel. Overdrive will allow your engine to
change gears at lower revs. It also puts your transmission into an
"economy" mode and lets it engage the final "overdrive" gear when
cruising to keep the rpms extra low, thereby increasing fuel economy.

7) Travel light

Avoid carrying any unnecessary weight in your car. On the average,
every 50kg added load in your car will increase fuel consumption by
2%.

8) Anticipate traffic ahead

A driver can reduce fuel consumption by up to 10% by anticipating
traffic conditions ahead and adjusting the speed accordingly, and
avoiding tailgating and thus unnecessary braking and acceleration.
Accelerations and decelerations waste fuel. Braking and abrupt stops can be minimized by not following too closely and slowing down gradually when approaching a red light.
It takes up to six times as much fuel to move a car from a dead stop than it does for one moving at just a few km/h.

9) Avoid strong acceleration

The fuel consumption remains at a minimum during steady driving at a moderate speed of about 90km/h. Keep in mind that every time the
accelerator is hard pressed, the engine goes into a "fuel-enrichment" mode of operation that wastes fuel.The vehicle should always be gradually and smoothly accelerated. Using cruise control on highways can help maintain a constant speed and reduce fuel consumption.

10) Minimise aerodynamic drag

Additional parts on the exterior of a vehicle such as roof racks and spoilers, or having the window open, Roof racks are bad for fuel economy increases air resistance and fuel consumption, in some cases by over 20%.

11) Don't let your engine idle

Minimize fuel wasted in idling by stopping the engine whenever your
car is stopped or held up for an extended period of time. Idling more than a minute consumes much more fuel than restarting the engine. By having the engine switched off, you will save more fuel than is lost from the burst of fuel involved in restarting the engine. The net increased wear and tear from this practice is negligible.

12) Use the air-con sparingly

Air conditioners can use about 10 per cent extra fuel when operating.
However, at speeds of over 80 km/h, use of air conditioning is better for fuel economy than an open window

Choon1980
24-08-2005, 04:08 PM
13) Use a bicycle

Mason
24-08-2005, 04:54 PM
Banyak tekan, makan minyak
Sikit tekan, minum minyak
Tekan brek, makan minyak
Angin kurang, minum minyak
Tukar gear, makan minyak
Angkat barang, minum minyak
Jam, makan minyak
Pakai a/c, minum minyak
Aiyooooo ini macam tolak kereta, jimat minyak..lah

aRwEn
24-08-2005, 11:57 PM
14) walk.... ;)

orchipalar
25-08-2005, 12:05 AM
Err...hitch a ride better...car pool wat...forgot already ar...?? :D

ceo684
25-08-2005, 03:41 AM
15. Buy this. Someone actually paid 41 USD for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7993916387

jack10dd
25-08-2005, 08:23 AM
Use Leaded Fuel +++ U Save 4 Cents A Liter



Amacam Ok Tak?

yankeat
25-08-2005, 10:31 AM
15. Take out the spare tire from car boot. Makes your car lighter by around 10kg. I keep foot pump in my boot and in case of emergency, there is always AAM to help.

jasonbhlee
25-08-2005, 10:35 AM
There's another rule to save petrol....say "NO" to the flyover link from batu Tiga to USJ....you will save tons of petrol with less traffic...taking out your spare tyre is useless. You will need them when the link opens...

penangkia
25-08-2005, 11:48 AM
An email to share with you


1) Pump up your tyres

Keeping your tyres inflated is one of the easiest and most important things. Saving petrol means saving money one can do to improve fuel economy. If a range is recommended by the anufacturer, the higher pressure should be used to maximize fuel efficiency. Deflated tyres run hot and jeopardize safety. It will also cause the tyres to wear out prematurely, affect the vehicles adversely, and hurt the fuel economy by increasing the rolling resistance.
Tyres lose about 1 psi pressure per month due to air loss caused by
the tyre hitting holes, bumps and kerbs. Therefore, the tyres should be checked at least once a month. Just 1 tyre deflated by 2 psi will result in a 1% increase in fuel consumption.

2) Drive at moderate speed

Avoiding high speeds on open roads results in safer driving and
better fuel economy. In highway driving, over 50% of the power
produced by the engine is used to overcome aerodynamic drag. Drag and thus fuel consumption increases rapidly at speeds above
90km/h. On the average, a car uses about 15% more fuel at 100km/h, and 25% more fuel at 110km/h compared to when it is doing only 90km/h. However, this should not lead one to conclude that the lower the speed, the better the fuel economy - because it is not. The fuel consumption of an average car increases sharply at speeds below 50km/h.

3) Clean the air-filter regularly

Clogged air filters increase fuel consumption by restricting airflow to the engine, and thus should be cleaned/replaced when necessary.
Clogged air filters can increase fuel consumption by up to 10%.

4) Use thinner tyres

Tyres with thick width will improve the handling of your car. However, it will also increase your car's fuel consumption. Thicker tyres mean more rolling resistance, and thus will consume more fuel.

5) Start up the car properly

With today's cars, it is not necessary to prime the engine first by
pumping the accelerator pedal repeatedly.Do not crank the engine
excessively This only wastes fuel.When starting the engine, idle it no more than 30 seconds to warm it up. An engine will warm up faster on the road. However, avoid sudden acceleration before the engine has warmed up sufficiently.

6) Drive in high gear (overdrive)

The engine runs most efficiently between around 1,500 and 2,500rpm.
To maintain these low revs you should change up through the gears as soon as practical and before the revs reach 2500 rpm.
For automatic transmission cars, you should always switch on your
overdrive to help save fuel. Overdrive will allow your engine to
change gears at lower revs. It also puts your transmission into an
"economy" mode and lets it engage the final "overdrive" gear when
cruising to keep the rpms extra low, thereby increasing fuel economy.

7) Travel light

Avoid carrying any unnecessary weight in your car. On the average,
every 50kg added load in your car will increase fuel consumption by
2%.

8) Anticipate traffic ahead

A driver can reduce fuel consumption by up to 10% by anticipating
traffic conditions ahead and adjusting the speed accordingly, and
avoiding tailgating and thus unnecessary braking and acceleration.
Accelerations and decelerations waste fuel. Braking and abrupt stops can be minimized by not following too closely and slowing down gradually when approaching a red light.
It takes up to six times as much fuel to move a car from a dead stop than it does for one moving at just a few km/h.

9) Avoid strong acceleration

The fuel consumption remains at a minimum during steady driving at a moderate speed of about 90km/h. Keep in mind that every time the
accelerator is hard pressed, the engine goes into a "fuel-enrichment" mode of operation that wastes fuel.The vehicle should always be gradually and smoothly accelerated. Using cruise control on highways can help maintain a constant speed and reduce fuel consumption.

10) Minimise aerodynamic drag

Additional parts on the exterior of a vehicle such as roof racks and spoilers, or having the window open, Roof racks are bad for fuel economy increases air resistance and fuel consumption, in some cases by over 20%.

11) Don't let your engine idle

Minimize fuel wasted in idling by stopping the engine whenever your
car is stopped or held up for an extended period of time. Idling more than a minute consumes much more fuel than restarting the engine. By having the engine switched off, you will save more fuel than is lost from the burst of fuel involved in restarting the engine. The net increased wear and tear from this practice is negligible.

12) Use the air-con sparingly

Air conditioners can use about 10 per cent extra fuel when operating.
However, at speeds of over 80 km/h, use of air conditioning is better for fuel economy than an open window

Good on you ,Ski. May seem basic to some, but believe me, many people are quite ignorant about fuel conservation. If you have a similar message about " good driving manners" please post it and hopefully some may learn from it. :)

lookman
25-08-2005, 12:03 PM
U might want to start considering conversion to NGV for those staying in Klang Valley.

Proton Iswara NGV conversion is RM 2,300. The cost savings is approximatelty 60% of monthly petrol bill.

So if your monthly bill is RM 1,000. Then there will be a savings of RM 600 per month. ROI will be 4 months.

The cons is lack of NGV stations besides in Klang Valley, long wating period to 'pump' NGV, loss of engine warranty, loss of boot space, short distance travelling before needing to top up - about 150-250km depending on size of the NGV tank

It's more expensive for fuel injection cars. I understand a Waja conversion is about RM 4,000.

Have been thinking about this as I normally sit in my regular taxi using NGV to KLIA. He's been supplying me with these facts.


I am using an Unser but my petrol bill is about RM 250 monthly so there is no immediate pressure for me to go this route.

Think about it
Pro is savings on petrol bill, cheaper top up about rm 5-10 each time

Choon1980
25-08-2005, 04:23 PM
If possible, converting your car to switch to diesel would be cheaper in the long run too, since diesel is more efficient.

USJ27Resident
26-08-2005, 12:55 AM
If possible, converting your car to switch to diesel would be cheaper in the long run too, since diesel is more efficient.


... and that would mean... like changing your engine... or car, right?

for a freaking moment. i was pretty stumped when you said switch fuel to diesel... :p ( thinking why ah.... cannot start the car.... diesel full tank worr!) duhhh!

ceo684
26-08-2005, 01:32 PM
Can start, but the engine very easy to die off while idling wan. :p

M. dino
26-08-2005, 02:09 PM
Good tips and have printed and distributed to friends, Thanks. But i think very idoitic and absurd to suggest bicycle and disel cars and others to follow blindly..irrevelent to topic should get bananas :mad:

Knight1993
26-08-2005, 04:58 PM
16.use proton cars.
my friend's father was a BMW driver ,but after his company collapsed,he switched to a proton and the mileage per tank is like 2 times further

Knight1993
26-08-2005, 05:00 PM
and i was thinking of asking my father to put a huge spoiler on his car coz' it looks cooler......oh well

Choon1980
26-08-2005, 10:52 PM
But i think very idoitic and absurd to suggest bicycle and disel cars and others to follow blindly..irrevelent to topic should get bananas :mad:

I'd love to see you post this same statement again when petrol reaches RM5 a litre!

mediumsliced
16-11-2006, 10:32 PM
If possible, converting your car to switch to diesel would be cheaper in the long run too, since diesel is more efficient.

No, diesel engines are not more efficient, their fuel is just cheaper. Both engines are still ruled by the laws of thermodynamics.

USJ9chin
16-11-2006, 10:35 PM
I believe this advertisement is make up by the supplier of such device.

As claimed by En Fauzan, Banting who drives a Toyota VIOS which is one of the most fuel economy 1.5 litre car in town. Even without the device, this car can easily clock 13.30 km/litre ( town driving) or 15.5 km/ litre ( Highway driving).

Another car that is as fuel economy as VIOS is Honda City.

Look at the calculation, 40 litre for 350km ( before fixing the device) or 8.75 km/litre. But after fixing the device, it clocks 450km/40 litre, or 11.25 km / litre.

Do you believe what the advertisement claims?

Why spend RM180 to buy such device which claims to be efficient in saving fuel. instead to spend it on petrol is a much better decision.

hhtee
17-11-2006, 08:57 AM
Close Your Windows

sakaibear
17-11-2006, 10:04 AM
you have to understand that advertisements do not include other details. like for instance the vios claims to clock some hundreds of km on just one tank. you see i'm a part time writer for some car magazines (more like i used to be). what they normally do on these tests (i'm not saying all....but most) they keep the speeds at 85-90km/h so as to keep the rpm at 2500. next, air condition is not turned on...they only open the vents as at that kind of speeds there's lots of air intake.

having said that the 1.5L found in the vios is indeed a very good engine, one of the best 1.5's out there if not the best.

for bigger cc cars like the bmw, bigger does not necessarily mean it will consume more petrol. it's because the car has more horsepower that the driver tends to be a little heavy footed. most cars like bmw,mercs etc...they're designed to keep comfort whilst keeping the fun in driving. it all depends on the engine mapping.

diesel engines are a lot more cleaner and more efficient than they used to be. more often than not, the diesel engines have surpassed the petrol engines in many ways. problem is no one can tell me if our diesel here is as clean as the ones used overseas.

using a high gear when you're below speeds is a very dangerous thing. you will lose traction and in the event of a slip, your car will have no grip.

true fuel consumption is a very important subject now, i myself am complaining about the amount i spend on petrol every month. but price hikes are upon us whether we like it or not. so kudos to ski. well done mate! :)

xweird
17-11-2006, 10:04 AM
No, diesel engines are not more efficient, their fuel is just cheaper. Both engines are still ruled by the laws of thermodynamics.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Diesel engine is like some 5% more efficient than Petrol engine. The reason why Petrol is so prevalent is because it has less harmful emissions.

But recent developments of the Diesel engine have put them into premium marques such as the BMW 510d (did I get that right?). Moreover, diesels provide more power than their petrol counterparts of similar cubic capacity.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :D

hhtee
17-11-2006, 10:28 AM
you have to understand that advertisements do not include other details. like for instance the vios claims to clock some hundreds of km on just one tank. you see i'm a part time writer for some car magazines (more like i used to be). what they normally do on these tests (i'm not saying all....but most) they keep the speeds at 85-90km/h so as to keep the rpm at 2500. next, air condition is not turned on...they only open the vents as at that kind of speeds there's lots of air intake.



which part of the car are you referring to as vents?

cheers

sakaibear
17-11-2006, 10:41 AM
air vents. normally when the a/c is turned on, you will select the circulation option...the one where the arrow goes around the cabin.......basically the cooler option. the other option is to allow air from outside in without the use of the compressor and filter....hence direct air from outside......along with the smell :( ....fumes.... :(

GreyShadow
17-11-2006, 11:07 AM
I missed my old Kelisa GXi with 980cc DOHC EFi Engine
the little buddy can clock 500km for a full tank for city driving :D
Highway can get 600++km

Now driving Kelisa SE, only can get 400++km for a full tank :(

mediumsliced
17-11-2006, 11:28 AM
Actually, if I remember correctly, Diesel engine is like some 5% more efficient than Petrol engine. The reason why Petrol is so prevalent is because it has less harmful emissions.

But recent developments of the Diesel engine have put them into premium marques such as the BMW 510d (did I get that right?). Moreover, diesels provide more power than their petrol counterparts of similar cubic capacity.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :D

Without dusting off my old texts, I'd say off the top of my head that yeah, Diesel cycles are more efficient than Otto cycle IC engines but then, it's measured differently.

By power you mean torque? Or output?

I'm no expert, but all this is pretty subjective as there are many ways to disprove almost anything. You know what they say about arguing on the internet, even if you win, you're still retarded, so no offence meant. Don't want this to be a drawn out diesel vs. gasoline debate.

What the original poster said was very true, as was some of the posts following said. Fuel economy begins with yourself. So when I see people driving hard on the streets of KL, I think to myself, "well, this guy sure is loaded, to burn fuel like that, when all he can achieve if perhaps a minute or two of time shaven off the transit."

Rocky19
17-11-2006, 11:54 AM
If possible, converting your car to switch to diesel would be cheaper in the long run too, since diesel is more efficient.
I know one friend who changed his engine from petrol to diesel, usj 27 you right you would need to change engine for this. But you must get JPJ approval for the engine change. and yes diesel is more efficient than petrol.

xweird
17-11-2006, 12:14 PM
You know what they say about arguing on the internet, even if you win, you're still retarded, so no offence meant. Don't want this to be a drawn out diesel vs. gasoline debate.

Hehehehe :D:D

To answer your question, I dunno is it torque or output, but I know that why big vehicles like bus and lorry need diesels to move them, because the diesel engine gives more power...

I think if fuel price increases to world market rates, we will be more mindful of the way we "tekan minyak" :P

sakaibear
17-11-2006, 12:34 PM
diesel engines have a much higher torque and pull.

chin_wan
17-11-2006, 01:21 PM
15. Buy this. Someone actually paid 41 USD for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7993916387

This listing (7993916387) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.

AllUrban
17-11-2006, 04:33 PM
what about hybrid cars...? They are in huge demand in North America...whereas the Europeans are going for diesel cars....

In North Am, Toyota and Honda cannot fill the demand for their cars...Toyota Prius, Lexus RX330h (Toyota Phoenix in Malaysia), and Toyota Highlander (Toyota Fortuner in Malaysia)....Honda Civic and Accord...there is crazy demand for these cars.

The price premium for the hybrid car is getting less and less...under CAD3000 difference between the Accord and Accord Hybrid. The premium may be neglible or disappear in 10 years.

Toyota and Honda really have taken the lead in this area....

I heard that Proton was going to license the hybrid technology from Toyota...

Why not just sell the Prius, Phoenix, Fortuner, Civic Hybrid, and Accord Hybrid here? Get a few APs to create demand, let people realize that they will save money on fuel now and sooner or later fuel prices will increase again.

Cheers, m

hhtee
17-11-2006, 04:57 PM
have better public transport

kress
25-11-2006, 11:40 AM
what about hybrid cars...? They are in huge demand in North America...whereas the Europeans are going for diesel cars....


well the problem with hybrid cars is the maintainance cost. and also, if you're going long distance, hybrid cars actually consume more petrol than normal cars.. and lastly, i think the cost of the car would be astronomical.... after all, they have to protect proton what.. ;)

robertec
25-11-2006, 03:21 PM
Just wanted to add my 2 sen to this subject.

I recently changed the tyres on my car to Michelin; I understand that the manufacturer is claiming that the new tyres will save fuel as they are made of a lighter compound.

Putting 1 and 1 together, came up with a bright idea to save both fuel and tyres; I filled the Michelin tyres with Nitrogen.

So I should be able to save 25% on tyre wear and at least 5% on fuel?

Can anyone verify if this is possible?

I just hope it does not float away before someone answers. (the tyres I mean)
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USJ9chin
25-11-2006, 10:31 PM
I have just changed eight pieces of NGK Platinum Spark Plug for my Honda City 1.5 IDSI.
It gives better performance and fuel economy. It costs me RM45.00 per pack of 4 spark plug. Ordinary Spark Plug costs RM25.00 for 4. I have yet to try the Iridium Spark Plug as they are very costly , RM180.00 per pack of 4.

USJ27Resident
30-12-2007, 03:30 PM
U might want to start considering conversion to NGV for those staying in Klang Valley....

Anyone got contact as to where can do conversion to NGV....safely, legally and profesionally.

... (without becoming the next ANGKASAWAN :p )

yvc
30-12-2007, 04:58 PM
Most NGV powered teksi in Malaysia had gone through various kind of major repair and maintenance work and 80% involved on the combustion section (valves and piston). Till today none of the Japanese makers have approved the usage or conversion to NGV on their models. Japs are still on the Hybrid for a reason. Not very sure about those continentals, maybe someone could provide some info.
NGV on Japs model = low FC = high repair cost

online12793
30-12-2007, 08:48 PM
15. Buy this. Someone actually paid 41 USD for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7993916387

What is this anyway as the link says item not found.

online12793
31-12-2007, 07:05 AM
what about hybrid cars...? They are in huge demand in North America...whereas the Europeans are going for diesel cars....

The price premium for the hybrid car is getting less and less...under CAD3000 difference between the Accord and Accord Hybrid. The premium may be neglible or disappear in 10 years.

Honda is going to cancel the Accord Hybrid in 2009 &
build a Accord Diesel instead as i have read in the car magazine.

The Honda Civic Hybrid & Toyota Hybrid battery life is 10 yrs,
replacement cost for Honda is US$2000 & Toyota is US$4,500.

online12793
31-12-2007, 07:16 AM
No, diesel engines are not more efficient, their fuel is just cheaper. Both engines are still ruled by the laws of thermodynamics.

I would have to agreed with your statement 10 to 15 yrs ago,
but not now not anymore.

As there is so many grey imports cars with diesel engine so fuel efficient &
getting about 6 or 7 litres for every 100km.

The 1.9 & 2.0 Golf diesel with 6 speed DSG transmission does just that.

maxima
31-12-2007, 01:22 PM
how come nobody talk about the alignment of the tires? i remember a bad alignment could contribute up to extra 15% of fuel consumption. someone pls correct me if wrong.

USJ27Resident
01-01-2008, 03:51 AM
Anyone got contact as to where can do conversion to NGV....safely, legally and profesionally.

... (without becoming the next ANGKASAWAN :p )

Help... anyone? No contacts meh? :(

online12793
01-01-2008, 10:34 AM
Help... anyone? No contacts meh? :(

Don't change to NGV just change to LPG instead as it is much better.

555
01-01-2008, 11:03 AM
I installed a magnetic fuel saver at Sogo car accessories shop at SS14 subang jaya, same row of the bah-ku-teh shops. I think it does save a little, maybe 10%.

clfoo
01-01-2008, 01:32 PM
Anyone got contact as to where can do conversion to NGV....safely, legally and profesionally.

i saw a leaflet of this service few months back but throw away liao ... however all is not lost, just ask NGV taxi drivers they should be able to provide you a lead ... also read news abt a guy in kedah/perak? DIY convert his car to LPG instead, that might be an alternative as well.

discussion below may also give u some leads ...
http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/allposts.asp?summary=1&Forum=ap445987436&access=1&status=1&subject=NGV+Anyone%3F

http://cngmalaysia.diytrade.com/sdp/235596/4/pl-984342.html

USJ27Resident
01-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Don't change to NGV just change to LPG instead as it is much better.

NGV and LPG... :confused: :confused: isn't it the same thing, gas?

NGV = natural gas vehicle.
LPG = Liquified Petroleum Gas.

anyway, if LPG is different - I can imagine running into a sundry shop and switching gas tanks when I run out of LPG ... :p or swiping my wifey gas tank from her gas stove... :D

FineTuned
01-01-2008, 04:15 PM
I installed a magnetic fuel saver .....I think it does save a little, maybe 10%.
That's not a little savings....it's a lot!

But I could never understand how it works..... :p

jaysubra
03-01-2008, 10:36 AM
Dear USJ27,

You can visit www.ngvcommunity.com for more information on NGV. It is a Malaysian based website and the forum's there should be able to answer all your questions. It is very informative.

A word of caution though, there is one installer who is frequently mentioned there, he is sort of an adviser there, I believe he is good but there are many others around, so pls do your own research before you install a system.

You can also surf PETRONAS' mesra website and look for NGV installers.

LPG is Liquified Petroleum Gas i.e your cooking gas and it is not allowed to be installed in car's in malaysia.

NGV is Natural Gas (and is known as Compressed Gas [CNG] out of Malaysia) and it is allowed here.

The saving in using NGV is handsome at about 63% compared to Petrol. This is based on my Waja, it used to cost me RM 0.16 per km in Petrol and it cost me RM 0.06 per km using NGV.

The drawback:

1. Lack of NGV station (there is only one station in Subang jaya).
2. Not suitable for all cars (as there are limitations).
3. To learn the mechanism of NGV and to practise it in order to derive its maximum benefits and in protecting the wear and tear of engine.

USJ27Resident
03-01-2008, 12:39 PM
Dear USJ27,

You can visit www.ngvcommunity.com for more information on NGV. It is a Malaysian based website and the forum's there should be able to answer all your questions. It is very informative..

Been there... browsed a bit ... but got not leads to good/competent installers. Even the forum does not allow members to post/recommend NGV installers contacts on their website. :confused: Why?? Because it seems "one man's best installer is another man's worst nightmare!" :p

But seriously, I am not looking for the best installer - just looking for a reliable fella that you can be assured he would do a good/decent job at the end of the day... anyone?

I saw an Avanza fitted with NGV and tried to take down the number but.... eyesight failing me la... could not see the damn [small] numbers stuck to the stickers on the back of that Avanza... :p

jaysubra
03-01-2008, 01:31 PM
Pls find the link to NGV installers below:

http://www.mymesra.com.my/index.php?ch=mmc_pns_misc&pg=mmc_pns_misc_misc&ac=34&tpt=mmc

http://www.mymesra.com.my/index.php?ch=mmc_pns_misc&pg=mmc_pns_misc_miscs&ac=37&tpt=mmc

03-2051 2384/2162/2176. (I think this is PETRONAS NGV phone number).

My installer is based in bangi, named ABEX. They were recommended to me by my frens in PETRONAS. The nearest to USJ is Tractors in Puchong. Pls PM me if you want the contact number (mobile) of Abex's supervisor / director.

lim275
03-01-2008, 03:27 PM
jayasubra,

do u have the jason's contact no ???

jaysubra
03-01-2008, 04:35 PM
Lim,
did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.

USJ27Resident
03-01-2008, 04:42 PM
Lim,
did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.

who is jason?? :confused:

USJ27Resident
03-01-2008, 11:30 PM
My installer is based in bangi, named ABEX. They were recommended to me by my frens in PETRONAS. The nearest to USJ is Tractors in Puchong. Pls PM me if you want the contact number (mobile) of Abex's supervisor / director.

PM u oredi la...

Does Tractors do conversions for NGV :confused: That wud be convenient!! :)

starrnorth
04-01-2008, 03:30 AM
The best way to save petrol is.... do not start the engine!!!!

lim275
04-01-2008, 11:11 AM
Lim,
did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.

hahaha..me also nvr expected in here too...

anyway, good to see u sharing the good news too...

avusblue
04-01-2008, 05:28 PM
what about hybrid cars...? They are in huge demand in North America...whereas the Europeans are going for diesel cars....

In North Am, Toyota and Honda cannot fill the demand for their cars...Toyota Prius, Lexus RX330h (Toyota Phoenix in Malaysia), and Toyota Highlander (Toyota Fortuner in Malaysia)....Honda Civic and Accord...there is crazy demand for these cars.

The price premium for the hybrid car is getting less and less...under CAD3000 difference between the Accord and Accord Hybrid. The premium may be neglible or disappear in 10 years.

Toyota and Honda really have taken the lead in this area....

I heard that Proton was going to license the hybrid technology from Toyota...

Why not just sell the Prius, Phoenix, Fortuner, Civic Hybrid, and Accord Hybrid here? Get a few APs to create demand, let people realize that they will save money on fuel now and sooner or later fuel prices will increase again.

Cheers, m

One of the reasons hybrids are doing well in the US is because of the tax incentive offered by the US govt. If u buy a hybrid vehicle, the govt actually offers up to a USD3400 credit off your taxes (its a credit, not a deductible, i.e. directly lowers your taxes by that amount). When do u think our govt will implement this? hahaha .. i'll keep on dreaming.

On the economics of hybrids, take for example a Honda Civic 2008 model (all calculations done in USD and mpg).

A. Civic Hybrid, AT, 40mpg City, 45mpg Hway: MSRP: $22,600
B. Comprably equipped non-hybrid Civic, AT, 25mpg City, 36mpg Hway: MSRP: $17,760.

Tax credit for a 2008 Civic hybrid is $2100. So knock that off the retail price, and the difference between the two cars are $2740.

On average, say u put on 12,000miles/yr, with 60% of that on the hway, and 40% in the city. Your petrol cost would be:

Hybrid:
12000miles x 0.6 / 45mpg = 160gal
12000miles x 0.4 / 40mpg = 120gal
Total consumption for the year = 280gal

Non-hybrid:
12000miles x 0.6 / 36mpg = 200gal
12000miles x 0.4 / 25mpg = 192gal
Total consumption for the year = 392gal

Total savings with hybrid: 112gal @ $3.50/gal = $392

So your ROI to break even would be $2740/$392 = 7 years
Without the tax credit it would be 12 years.

Worth it?

Of course, your ROI will be faster if:
a. Fuel prices keep increasing (as it inevitably will)
b. You do a lot of city driving
c. Govt keeps giving incentives

On a side note: The main advantages of hybrid is in city driving - stop n go traffic. That's where they shine. On the highway, they offer nominal advantages over traditional gasoline engines ... because when it goes above a certain speed, it switches off the electric motor and gets power only from the gasoline engine. Electric motors are high on torque (good from standstill), while gasoline is high on HP (good for high speeds).

For malaysia, we will need to see the incentives given (if any), as well as the vehicle pricing, and cost of parts & repair.

joker2107
04-01-2008, 05:43 PM
not too long ago the sunday star motoring pages carried an article on this topic and gave a similar "evaluation" of the financial advantage of going hybrid. its encouraging only if oil prices continue to escalate.

btw, avusblue, i think you seem pretty conservative on how far a hybrid would go on a gallon. given this, pay back period should be much faster than 7 years - in the states.

USJ27Resident
05-01-2008, 11:08 PM
Hi all...

Just found the NGV installer in Shah Alam that have been mentioned as reliable, by a few contacts...

Quoted at RM4200 for the kit ... [ expensive ka ? ]

Check out the advantages...read testimonies (http://www.nndsb.enetmyne.com/secondpage.htm) - if your RoadTax is RM1000 a year - you save RM250 after fitting the NGV and that does not include the saving from using the NGV itself... I guess I will be fitting it soon... :)


"Kenapa tak percaya ke? Isi Penuh cuma RM 7.00 jarak perjalanan 150Km Berbanding petrol RM 20.00" Pemilik: Hazman Ishak

CCY
05-01-2008, 11:47 PM
Check out the advantages...read testimonies (http://www.nndsb.enetmyne.com/secondpage.htm) - if your RoadTax is RM1000 a year - you save RM250 after fitting the NGV and that does not include the saving from using the NGV itself... I guess I will be fitting it soon... :)

See you queuing up at ss17 Petronas soon......;) ....unless there's another station in Usj or you are able to flick a switch to petrol under those hungry times.

racheljansz
06-01-2008, 06:53 AM
See you queuing up at ss17 Petronas soon......;) ....unless there's another station in Usj or you are able to flick a switch to petrol under those hungry times.Soon I guess we all will also queue at the petrol stations after the GE, since oil is US100/barrel.
Expect is to be in the region of RM3, in line with our neighboring countries.
Then, having install the kit may not be expensive?

avusblue
06-01-2008, 08:24 PM
not too long ago the sunday star motoring pages carried an article on this topic and gave a similar "evaluation" of the financial advantage of going hybrid. its encouraging only if oil prices continue to escalate.

btw, avusblue, i think you seem pretty conservative on how far a hybrid would go on a gallon. given this, pay back period should be much faster than 7 years - in the states.

Prices and fuel consumption numbers are as published by the manufacturer taken off of yahoo autos and honda us website. I think the prius does better in the city than this civic hybrid. But it also costs more i think.

CS Chua
06-01-2008, 09:12 PM
Most of the taxis I took to KLIA complaint that their engines need to be overhauled as the gas damaged the valves. Especially the Wajas. So beware.

jaysubra
09-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Chua, The taxi drivers who are complaining have obviously fixed the 'short cut / or cheaper' NGV system.

NGV burns hot compared to PETROL as such you need to have improved coolant system. Failure to maintain your 'cooling' system is the reason those taxi guys had engine problem.

Pls take note that a complete Sequantial NGV kit with all the recomended accessories would cost them (Waja or any EFI car) about RM 5,700 to RM 7,000. This taxi guy's usually would install for RM 3,500 to RM 4,000 (sometimes even lower). It is rather obvious that when you pay low, you do not get the complete set but only the NGV regulator, tank, filling valve, etc.

Pls surf: www.ngvcommunity.com ; :) they have a comprehensive explanation.

USJ27 and the rest, if you are planning to install NGV, pls check on the reliability of the workshop and the 'breakdown' of items supplied before you commit your self. The last thing you want is to install the basic NGV kit and visit the installer frequently with problems. Chances are very high that they would ask you to install the acessories later (if they know how to resolve the problem) and this will make the total cost a lot higher.


Many private users have been cheated by in-competent NGV installers or by plain cheats. Stick to the proven installers. Get refferal and speak to their users. better still, visit the workshop and speak to the customers there.

Do your homework before installing or you would have your money 'burnt'!! :mad:

USJ27Resident
09-01-2008, 08:40 PM
Many private users have been cheated by in-competent NGV installers or by plain cheats. Stick to the proven installers. Get refferal and speak to their users. better still, visit the workshop and speak to the customers there.

Tell me about it....

Went to a FEW NGV installers... fellas start with yada..yada... and the basics... and then the pricing... starts with RM4000 ... next thing you know, with the electronic this and that... the quote is now RM 6200 :eek: !!! NGV tanks/cylinders from China and the electronics/regulator from Argentina..

By the looks of things, ROI would be like 2 years :(

USJ27Resident
10-01-2008, 10:56 PM
is it really THAT expensive to install these NGV kits?

I might as well save the 6K+ and buy a darn 2K+ cub-chai to run errands...

...sigh!!!

jaysubra
11-01-2008, 12:53 PM
Yes. In fact, I did invest in a 'kap-chai' :) but got rid of it. Reason; after years of travelling in the comfort of car, could not get myself re-adjusted to the 'grime, dust & pollution' (not forgetting the 'planted' nails of Motorcycle lane).

NGV pay back period (for a RM 6,000 kit) is about 20 months if you drive an average of 100km a day. NGV works best for those on the move like marketing personnel's / salesman's.

jaysubra
11-01-2008, 01:29 PM
Guy's, this is the latest Petrol Buster car (check out Paul Tan's link)

http://paultan.org/archives/2008/01/10/tata-nano-the-name-of-the-tata-1-lakh-car/

Wonder how it is, better (or worst) then our own Perodua Viva?