Proposed Batu Tiga Flyover linking Persiaran Tujuan at USJ3ABCD

[tan_r]

Did you know there will be a link between Batu Tiga and Persiaran Tujuan thru USJ3ABCD, USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12.

All residents in USJ should be worried since this link will cause massive traffic jam as bad as the Summit junction, only this one is next to a school in USJ12!

Our own ADUN is now promoting this flyover when in May 2005, he openly told residents in USJ3ABCD in front of JKP Chairman Zon 2, USJ8 police and En Raymond Tan (USJ18) that he will not favor this flyover and we should write in to protest it. We did but on Monday, Aug 22 the ADUN invited residents in USJ3ABCD to attend a 'public hearing' in MPSJ on the pretext of meeting MPSJ and SIme UEP about the flyover and all our other problems. However, real estate speculators in Subang Heights were there and they were very well organized, outnumbering us 4:1!

Our ADUN is behind this watershed public hearing, which by the way does not conform with the requirements of the Town & Country Act, and make a mockery of Local Agenda 21. All USJ residents, stand up and be counted.

Show us your support by giving us details why you do not want this link. The Subang Heights people are only 300 lots strong and are real estate speculators. In USJ3ABCD, we have 776 houses, and in USJ at least 10,000 houses! Who is our ADUN representing??


Rusman Zaihan

Note: This message was posted by Rusman Zaihan here http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8995 but I think it warrants attention at this main forum.

[tan_r]

Folks,

You have all somehow or sometime experienced the horrendous traffic along Jalan Tujuan, particularly at the junction near USJ 4. The situation is already very bad.

Now, imagine this - when the flyover at Batu 3 is completed - additional traffic will pile onto Jalan Tujuan from across the other side of Kesas Highway (Subang Heights, etc) via Jalan Setia. Note that Jalan Setia is the road (leading into TP) lying between USJ 12 and USJ4 and you can see the school by the main road.

As interested parties, since this concerns all (if not most of us), what are your takes on this proposed flyover?

[MOYSC]

This posting was taken from USJ3ABCD yahoo group's message board pertaining to a SMS reply made by Dato Lee to a resident named Barry on the issue of the proposed flyover link from USJ12 to Batu Tiga via USJ3ABCD :


MPSJ did not approve the Tesco link whereas Batu 3 link was approved &
Subang Heights buyers bought with such knowledge.


Pls reply to his SMS at 012- 2203600 as follows:

USJ3ABCD residents also bought their houses without knowledge of the
flyover. Why are you siding only with Subang Heights residents?? We
demand a public hearing for all affected USJ residents in accordance
with the Town & Country Act and consistent with Local Agenda 21.

For others who do not stay in USJ3ABCD, you have all the RIGHTS to protest too, as it will NOT only affect USJ3ABCD alone, but also other areas of USJ, where residents need to access Jln Tujuan.

Note : the proposed link will be feeding in traffic from Batu Tiga areas into Jln Tujuan via Persiaran Setia .

[tan_r]

... Why are you siding only with Subang Heights residents??
Can anyone advise whether Subang Heights fall under the DUN of LHB?

[jordan]

Any other method of PREVENTING the flyover from happening APART from dealing (including meetings, sms, talk, joke, etc) with the ADUN ????

[robertec]

Housing Developers surrounding SJ/USJ always make it a point to indicate in their sales brochures that there will be easy access into SJ/USJ?

Everybody is trying to punch a road into SJ/USJ, we already have one from Putra Heights, and in the pipelines are 2 other such roads from Puchong and now this.

Can someone kindly explain the actual purpose of bridging the Subang Heights area and USJ3ABCD? Is it to ease traffic congestion by dumping more traffic into Jalan Tuajan? Or what?

Is this what you call progress and development? Unbelievable!
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[robertec]

Any other method of PREVENTING the flyover from happening APART from dealing (including meetings, sms, talk, joke, etc) with the ADUN ????

In answer to your question, YES.

Contact the MP for Subang Jaya, USJ1 to USJ15

http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/YBLSK.jpg

MP for Kelana Jaya – YB Loh Seng Kok
Mobile Phone: 012-2231121
Email: lohsengkok@kelanajaya.com
Website: http://www.kelanajaya.com
Service Centre: 1-61, Jalan PJS 9/1A Pusat Perniagaan Lagoon Perdana, 46150 Bandar Sunway
Service Hours: Tuesday 8.00pm - 10.00pm
Service Centre Telephone: 56212111

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[Beethoven]

Is the link before or after Bt Tiga toll from Subang ?

[MOYSC]

Any other method of PREVENTING the flyover from happening APART from dealing (including meetings, sms, talk, joke, etc) with the ADUN ????

Another way besides getting the MP's help is to get legal advice from legal practitioners who is willing to assist in community issues such as this...

Subang Height's residents already have such advantage, as their representative happens to be a legal practitioner.

[Firefly]

This is expected. All this is to enable more traffic into NPE. Many did not believe SS19's protest then, will now have to face the consquence of that decision.

Good luck. All I can say is, if you don't like it, move out.

Not much can be done. If local Gov wants to bulldoze thru, no amount of protest will be able to stop it. :mad:

[ydyogan]

:mad: I am a resident from USJ 3B/4 and would like to Strongly State My Objections on the construction of the Persiaran Setia Flyover.

The reasons are as follows :-

1. It does not make any sense at all to have an entry and exit to a highway through a housing estate. The risk of heavy vehicles and sheer number of vehicles is already a big risk to the residents.

2.When we purchased the house there is no mention of a proposed highway at all and now there are plans to build one. Once again consumers are taken for a ride.

3.How about the school in USJ 12, school children will be terrified to cross the roads as there will be continuous traffic.

4.At the moment the entire area of USJ3ABCD, is a good place for evening activities like jogging, walking together with our children but once the proposed highway is constructed the entire peacefulness and calamity will disappear. I always thought that the government promotes activities like this but it looks proposed highway is not supporting government calls.

Both MPSJ and Sime UEP are known for their bad at planing and this can be clearly seen from our everyday lives. Please let us not be a statistic in this case and make a difference for a better living in the USJ/ Subang Jaya area.

[Stan]

Does anyone have a copy of the plans for the link? Where exactly does it link USJ 3 to Batu 3?

Would be good if it can be psoted so everyone knows what they are talking about.

[tan_r]

Some related postings over here http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8985&page=1&pp=15 too but let's stay focused on this thread please. Don't jump here jump there. ;)

[gobsingh]

Hi I would also like to highligh that USJ16 and USJ17 would also become even more congested as there will be people from Shah Alam at Batu Tiga utilising this road to get into puchong as this will be a shortcut...

PLS NOTE RESIDENTS OF USJ16 and USJ17 !!!!!!!!

[rusman]

:mad: Dato Lee just SMS me to state that he will call for a public hearing before Sep 30. He says Town & Country Planning Act is not applicable here. He says new YDP lives in USJ3 and does not want traffic jam so he will do another hearing. Don't believe him. Keep the pressure on him. Keep spamming his handphone for apublic hearing. He is yielding!

[tan_r]

Rusman, you appear to be unfamiliar with the Art of Tai Chi. :D

[orchipalar]

Rusman, you appear to be unfamiliar with the Art of Tai Chi. :D

Err...Orchi maybe wrong...but heard that he could be fast learning the art of taichi...from his guru... :rolleyes:

[rusman]

Tai Chi? Never tried it before, but understand it is practiced in a nearby local council. But I am familiar with the Art of War by Sun Tze...

[tan_r]

Rusman, you should pick up this exercise. Good for your well being lah. :D :D

[MOYSC]

Dear USJ Residents,

Please take note of the link via this map.


Posted on request by USJ3ABCD RA committee.

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Posted on request by USJ3ABCD RA committee

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Please take note of the link via this map.


Posted on request by USJ3ABCD RA committee.

Ps. Sorry for the earlier error. File to small to view.

[jasonbhlee]

Looks like we are inviting non residents from Shah Alam to their workplace in SJ,USJ or Puchong via this new flyover. This means TROUBLE mate! Now it take half an hour to exit USJ3 to Federal Highway via Jalan Tujuan...with this new link it may take you 45mins. Those coming from USJ3 wanting to go to KLIA via USJ 12 may be stuck for unknown hours during rush hour....
Someone from MPSJ said...this flyover may solve some problems...1 vehicles come in, there will be 1 vehicle going out...-1+1=0, so net effect. C'mon, we know this well enough, in any situation as far as traffic is concerned,-1+1=2.........Plz correct my mathematics.........

[robertec]

http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/Proposed%20Batu%203%20-%20USJ%20Flyover.jpg

http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/BatuTiga_Flyover%283%29-resized.JPG

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[jasonbhlee]

Forgot to ask....the title should be 'proposed' link or 'approved' link? According to Dato Lee...its a 'done' job. A Done job without proper consultation and study? your guess is as good as mine. 3 months ago...its was 'No' to the link. Few days ago...its a 'Go'....(coming from the same man)
Just to inform...Dato lee got the loudest applause from the Subang Height residents when he inform them that the flyover project is 'ON'....
Residents of USJ...its time you speak!

[MOYSC]

Forgot to ask....the title should be 'proposed' link or 'approved' link?

It should still read "proposed", even though LHB, MPSJ & Sime UEP have so-called approved the project, they are still subjected to the 2nd hearing with USJ/Subang Height's residents & the final approval from Malaysian Highway Authority (MHA).

So, don't give up!

[MOYSC]

Dear USJ Residents & Jalan Tujuan road users,

Goto www.hwabeng.org.my and cast your votes - whether you are in favour or against construction of the flyover.

YOUR VOTE does MAKE a DIFFERENCE!


To-date, the poll results are as follows :

Would you agree for a link road from USJ 12 to Batu 3 via USJ 3A/B/C and Subang Hitech?

Yes 26% (68)
No 74% (189)

Total votes: 257

Hmmm...Isn't the total vote count of 257 a little too low to represent the entire population of USJ residents or the least to represent the total number of usj dot com members???

Knock! Knock! Isn't there anyone in here???

[MOYSC]

Dear fellow USJ Residents & road users of Jalan Tujuan,

Wow! Its unbelievable! Total votes climbed from 257 to 842 in just over ONE hour!

Way to go! Please continue to show your support! Nevermind if you can vote more than once. The least we get is a good figure to show LHB!


Some of the valid reasons to how the proposed link can affect all residents of USJ :

1) heavy traffic at Jln Setia/Jln Tujuan intersection (Jln Setia is the road fronting SM USJ12 school) & traffic feeding into Jln Tujuan;

2) poses safety hazards to school-going children of SM USJ12, since school
fronting directly on this main road;

3) anticipate more road accidents/road death rates, as currently this
Persiaran Setia stretch has already too many entries/exits and crossover
points at its divider, along its 4-lane road (highway);

4) more heavy vehicles will enter Jln Setia/Jln Tujuan stretch, as this
flyover is suppose to connect Batu Tiga Hi-Tech Industrial Estate, Taman
Perindustrian Subang (TP factories) and USJ - for the moment. Who knows eventually it will link to KESAS or other areas as well???;

5) heavier traffic within USJ areas, since road users from South-bound Batu Tiga, Klang & Shah Alam can skip Batu Tiga's toll to enter USJ for free via this proposed flyover link;

6) This link can practically split USJ3, 4 and USJ12, besides splitting USJ3A, 3C & USJ 3B, 3D existing communities.

Please add on this list if anyone has more suggestions/reasons.

[orchipalar]

Forgot to ask....the title should be 'proposed' link or 'approved' link? According to Dato Lee...its a 'done' job. A Done job without proper consultation and study? your guess is as good as mine. 3 months ago...its was 'No' to the link. Few days ago...its a 'Go'....(coming from the same man)
Just to inform...Dato lee got the loudest applause from the Subang Height residents when he inform them that the flyover project is 'ON'....
Residents of USJ...its time you speak!

Err...bluddy Orchi:mad:...what the heck he knows...it could only be a DONE job...YES...for him perhaps... :rolleyes:

Ahem...unless the thousands of the residents in USJ...are SLEEPING...n could care less about the freaking FlyOver...err...NO? :o

[rusman]

This is what I found out thus far...

The Subang Heights are is not under purview of ADUN Subang (so why is so pro the Subang Heights purchasers?)

That area is under MBSA. Why MPSJ sebok-sebok to make sure residents in both areas are connected?? What about residents between Batu Tiga and SS19?? Only the gas pipeline is separating them. Why no small multiple housing roads connecting the 2 areas??

What about the Sime UEP industrial estate? Why are there not any connecting roads (or multiple connecting roads) among the 2 industrial estates?

Both alternatives would be cheaper than building a flyover and would disperse light traffic only evenly thoroughout the Ebor-Batu Tiga-Subang Jaya-USJ are evenly; ie no single 4 lane highway;

Macam ada bau tikus mati lah....

[SunwayKid]

Maybe it's a good time to invest in Subang Heights since it has the "ingredients" of a good development - TOTO man, flyover etc. Heck, they can even put in an entrance gate for controlled traffic and call it a gated community! Deja-vu, just like the time when they decide to split Sunway with a highway in between. JG would remember this! :)

[orchipalar]

This is what I found out thus far...

The Subang Heights are is not under purview of ADUN Subang (so why is so pro the Subang Heights purchasers?)

Macam ada bau tikus mati lah....

Err...dear Rusman:)...please keep the fighting spirit up...your initiative n efforts would LONG be remembered...Orchi *tabik*...

Ahem...a million questions maybe spinning in your mind...err...even in your dreams...but ya need to concentrate n takeup on the suggestions brought up by the 'iron lady' of Zon 1...n the rest of community leaders that are obviously working n fighting for this just cause ;)

Err...ya should build a mental barrier to block off the negative 'influences' from the ADUN...he serves few masters at a time...ahem...ever more so now...while he is going places liao...n the residents could be last on his wish list... :rolleyes:

[rusman]

Dear USJ Residents,

YB Loh Seng Kok highlighted the issue about the flyover in this morning's Majlis Daerah Petaling meeting. But no MPSJ staff available to answer since all went for rehearsal for YDP send-off.

[twohands]

as usual. really reflects on the competency of mpsj.

[rusman]

Rusman, you should pick up this exercise. Good for your well being lah. :D :D

I took your advise and tried out taichi. Feels like constipation...

Cikgu salah ajar ni.... Terlalu ramai yang sorak tetapi tak ramai yang turun padang. Mungkin hari terlalu panas...

[orchipalar]

Dear USJ Residents,

YB Loh Seng Kok highlighted the issue about the flyover in this morning's Majlis Daerah Petaling meeting. But no MPSJ staff available to answer since all went for rehearsal for YDP send-off.

Err...another shameful reality...imagine the whole freaking local government agency having to exercise a rehearsal...to send off...ahem...err...an appointed....State government servant... :rolleyes:

Ahem...48 years since Malaysian Independence...MERDEKA!...MERDEKA!...MERDEKA!

[rusman]

I got SMS from someone yesterday.

His exact SMS to me:

The link was approved same time as USJ3ABCD. Hence Town Planning Act does not apply but Local Agenda 21 can. Shall arrange for a public hearing b4 30/9 as requested. The new YDP stays in USJ3 & hence does not want the anticipated heavier traffic.


Thank god he lives in USJ3. If he had lived in Subang Heights or near Tesco Puchong....

[orchipalar]

The link was approved same time as USJ3ABCD.

Err...so should this be true...the freaking developer could have done it again...hiding facts...n truth...from the house/property buyers,,, :rolleyes:

[orchipalar]

Err...overheard there might be a chance or coincidence...that a certain politikus...may have interest in some properties over at...err...was it...the Subang Heights...or USJ3...???

Ahem...anybody else got better wind of it? :confused:

Err...it could put pieces of the puzzle together...

[rusman]

The flyover is at the boundary of MBSA and MPSJ. How come MPSJ gets to decide on the approval??

Subang Heights and area in Batu Tiga is under MBSA; why MPSJ very keen to have the flyover?? I noticed on last Monday hearing a Subang Height purchaser but staying in Sunway, lobbying openly to our ADUN Subang, asking when the flyover will be build. She should ask her ADUN, MP or MBSA.

I heard that Sime UEP did not get CF for its developments in USJ3ABCD until it agreed to built and pay for the flyover. Is this true? Houses are already build so close to Persiaran Setia, it does not make sense to increase traffic flow. If so, why the arm twisting?

I wonder why Sime UEP not keen to build the flyover despite having ample development land near Subang Heights, earmarked for high cost apartments.

Perhaps Board room politics at play here...

[jasonbhlee]

(whisper).....subang heights will get all heir residents and their beloved lawyer to the next hearing......shd we be outnumbered 4: 1 again Raz?

[orchipalar]

(whisper).....subang heights will get all heir residents and their beloved lawyer to the next hearing......shd we be outnumbered 4: 1 again Raz?

Err...asap...please put up the schedule n venue of the next public hearing in this forum as well...ahem...we would get MORE to be there also... ;)

Ahem...NOT only would we standup for you...we would also standup for ourselves... :)

[MOYSC]

Ahem...NOT only would we standup for you...we would also standup for ourselves... :)

Orchipalar,

I admire your courage & support! It is a hope to see all other USJ residents to stand up for themselves too. Please continue to cast your votes at www.hwabeng.org.my to show that YOU care for YOUR community!


Latest Poll Results :
Would you agree for a link road from USJ 12 to Batu 3 via USJ 3A/B/C and Subang Hitech?

Yes 8% (70)
No 92% (806)

Total votes: 876 (any more voters out there???)

:)

[rusman]

Err...asap...please put up the schedule n venue of the next public hearing in this forum as well...ahem...we would get MORE to be there also... ;)



I ask SMS Puan Umi many times for the next meetings in MPSJ but no response. Similarly, Dato Lee also have not reverted on the next hearing date before Sep 30.

:mad:

[orchipalar]

Err...dear Rusman:)...for reasons only known to themselves...they would 'normally' announce the schedules...at the LAST minute or SHORTEST notification...by fax...by phone...by word of mouth...at their own fancy...

They would frustrate you...they would confuse you...they would push you around...they would drill you...they would put your patience to the grueling test...they would torture you mentally...n they would even brush you aside n ignore you...

They would tell you 1001 reasons why they can't do certain things right...or make the right decisions...

n finally they would tell you that...their hands are tight...at the lower levels...they are there to push papers n clips only...thus they would claim that...the final decisions came from the very TOP...

Ahem..it's just part of the game they play to buy time...for their OWN favors...

Err....don't take Orchi's word for it...just ask ANY JKPs...or residents group representatives...or even just ask the MP or ADUN...whether or NOT...this is true...

Remember what the sifu said...they are masters in their own right...in the art of TaiChi....

Ahem...in the words of the Jedi Masters...'May The Force Be With You...' :)

[tan_r]

Ahem...in the words of the Jedi Masters...'May The Force Be With You...' :)
Orchi-san, the force alone may not be enough. The potent people power is needed. Remember the quote from Proverbs that I posted on another thread ... Without vision, the people perish.

Now hear this, without people, the vision perish.

[rusman]

Dear thread setters,

Let's concentrate on solutions rather than outright bashing....

We need to compile our solutions to the problems before the next hearing. Pls give me a list of reasons why the flyover link should not be built and provide multiple alternatives.

Let's prepare ourselves for the next public hearing.

[orchipalar]

Orchi-san, the force alone may not be enough. The potent people power is needed. Remember the quote from Proverbs that I posted on another thread ... Without vision, the people perish.

Now hear this, without people, the vision perish.

Err...yes lar...the people is going up against the unknown evil forces of darkside...the vision is blur...ahem...need to summon all heavenly gods...n strong forces from the brightside...for the people...to fight the just cause...

Ahem...give Orchi a life sabre anyday...or a bunch of joss-sticks would do as well... :p

[tan_r]

Rusman,

Suggest you bring your group to the teh tarik session on 2 Sept 2005. Details at this link.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=5204&page=45&pp=15

[pcyeoh]

Dear thread setters,

Let's concentrate on solutions rather than outright bashing.....

You are right to say so. Let us stay focus in finding solutions. I could think of the immediate thing that we should do is submit our objection on this flyover by submitting our objection to the Planning Dept which has issued the Selangor Structure Plan in the prescribed form provided. I was made to understand that this flyover has appeared in the current Selangor Structure Plan and since the objection period ends on 31st August, let us do that first and fast. The USJRA and the JKP Zon 3 will submit similar objection. Whether it is a done deal or not is arguable. We will do that again when the MPSJ Local Plan is being released. I have got in touch with Rusman and have forwarded the form and the sample of objection to him. He said he will act on it immediately as well as post it in their group website.

[orchipalar]

Let us stay focus in finding solutions. I could think of the immediate thing that we should do is submit our objection on this flyover by submitting our objection to the Planning Dept which has issued the Selangor Structure Plan in the prescribed form provided. I was made to understand that this flyover has appeared in the current Selangor Structure Plan and since the objection period ends on 31st August, let us do that first and fast. The USJRA and the JKP Zon 3 will submit similar objection. Whether it is a done deal or not is arguable. We will do that again when the MPSJ Local Plan is being released. I have got in touch with Rusman and have forwarded the form and the sample of objection to him. He said he will act on it immediately as well as post it in their group website.

Err...Orchi is liking what you are saying n suggesting in here... :)

[jordan]

Yes, that should be the way

I don't agree with the flyover

And until now, i also don't agree with online voting nor spamming LHB's handphone.

Now, we are talking.............

Post here to tell me and the rest, what must we DO constructively.

[tan_r]

Err...Orchi is liking what you are saying n suggesting in here... :)
Err ... please keep the liking ALIVE, mate. :D :D

[robertec]

Err...Orchi is liking what you are saying n suggesting in here... :)

I am also very glad that Orchi is liking what has been said and suggested.

Let's get cracking with all we are suppose to do.

It is also very important that we "turn" YB Dato' Lee Hwa Beng, we need to tell him that he took a wrong stand. I am sure he is man enough to admit that he was wrong. It is good to have him on the side of the Rakyat.
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Dear En Rusman & USJRA committee members,

Please post the outcome of the meeting on Tue night at Cafe/Dewan 3K. The least we all should know is what has been discussed & not repeat what has already been said/done.

TT session (as suggested by Tan) can be a good way to collect suggestions/ideas. Do consider giving out more info so that others can contribute while staying focused on this subject.

BTW, is collection of petition signatures still applicable at this stage? If Yes, shouldn't it be extended to all USJ residents?

[jasonbhlee]

I am also very glad that Orchi is liking what has been said and suggested.

Let's get cracking with all we are suppose to do.

It is also very important that we "turn" YB Dato' Lee Hwa Beng, we need to tell him that he took a wrong stand. I am sure he is man enough to admit that he was wrong. It is good to have him on the side of the Rakyat.
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In the first hearing, LHB has admitted he made a mistake in objecting the flyover (an objection he made in may'05), so now we are asking him to make another about turn. He needs to be a REAL man to do that. But I hope he will turn 'doubly'.
What needs to be done now is to get as many residents as possible to support this objection, after all I think this forum doesn't reach a large section of the residents although it is widely read. Secondly we need to 'turn' those who think it may be a good idea to have this flyover as a shortcut for USJ residents to Shah Alam. Actually it is also good for me as I work in Klang but then again...when I think of my wife, children, friends getting stuck in the jam.............

[tan_r]

... It is also very important that we "turn" YB Dato' Lee Hwa Beng, we need to tell him that he took a wrong stand. I am sure he is man enough to admit that he was wrong. It is good to have him on the side of the Rakyat...
I have to agree with Robert on this. LHB might have turned and turned in the past but this time, we have to show him, this is the right turn. And from what I hear, he is relenting.

[tan_r]

... The USJRA and the JKP Zon 3 will submit similar objection. Whether it is a done deal or not is arguable. We will do that again when the MPSJ Local Plan is being released. ...
Thanks to USJRA and JKP3. I hope JKP2 and JKP7 will also do their part becos this is a Greater USJ problem.

[pcyeoh]

I have intention to send in the Bantahan Form the following argument to register our protest on the said project to the Selangor State Planning Dept.

The issue at hand (PERKARA)

The proposed flyover linking Subang Heights to USJ 3A, 3B, 3C and D and the rest of the USJ community (Refer to Draf Rancangan Struktur Negeri Selangor 2020 (DRSNS 2020)


Our contention (BANTAHAN/ALASAN /RAYUAN)

1. The proposed flyover will result in traffic from South-bound Batu Tiga, Klang & Shah Alam to bypass the Batu Tiga Toll and cut through this purely residential area of USJ 3A,B,C and D. They also avoid paying the toll at Batu Tiga. For others, they also avoid the usually congested Federal Highway when they use this flyover with the intention of using the NPE Expressway to head for Kuala Lumpur. Those who are heading to Puchong and southwards will find this link a effective shortcut.

2) Currently, the traffic situation along Jln Setia at the Jln Tujuan intersection especially at Sekolah Menengah USJ12 during peak hours are already chaotic.

3) The additional traffic will pose safety hazards to school-going children of SM USJ12 and the SK USJ 12 (total enrolment estimated at 2,400 students) with the former fronting directly this main road while the latter is just 50 metres away.

4) Beside those heavy trucks currently plying Jalan Setia from the Taman UEP industrial area, more heavy vehicles will be brought in by this flyover as they connect to the Batu Tiga Hi-Tech Industrial Estate and possible the rest of the industrial zones in Shah Alam.


Our suggestion (CADANGAN)

1. We propose that instead of building this flyover and dumping more traffic into USJ, the traffic instead should be diverted into The KESAS Expressway which will then get them connected to the rest of the major highway such as LDP, NPE and the NKVE. In this way, it will not clog up the already badly congested roads in Subang Jaya and USJ.

2. Their current link to Shah Alam is serving them well and therefore does not need another link at the expense of the transquility of this residential areas of USJ 3 A,B,C and D which currently already have more than 2,000 houses.


And the letter is addressed to

Pengarah,
Jabatan Perancangan Bandar Dan Desa Negeri Selangor,
Tingkat 15-18, Bangunan Darul Ehsan,
No. 3, Jalan Indah, Seksyen 14,
46046 Shah Alam, Selangor Darul Ehsan.


YAB Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi
Perdana Menteri Malaysia, Pengerusi Majlis Fizikal Negara,
Jabatan Perdana Menteri,
Blok Barat, Aras 3, Bangunan Perdana Putra,
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan,
62502 Putrajaya.


Ketua Pengarah
Jabatan Perancangan Bandar Dan Desa,
Semenanjung Malaysia.


Yg Amat Berhormat/Yg. Bhg./Dato/Datin Paduka,


BORANG BANTAHAN DRAF RANCANGAN STRUKTUR NEGERI SELANGOR 2020
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Kami yang dinamakan di bawah membantah terhadap Draf Rancangan Struktur Negeri Selangor 2020 yang dirujuk di atas alasan-alasan yang terkandung dalam dokumen dilampirkan bersama surat ini yang kami telah membaca dan bersetuju.

Kami juga telah melantik Persatuan Penduduk USJ 3A,B,c dan D, USJRA dan JKP Zon 3 Subang Jaya dan USJ untuk mewakili kami dalam perkara ini jika pihak kami tidak dapat hadir pada hari pendengaran bantahan dan mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Bantahan Awam. Pihak kami memohon pendengaran lisan bantahan-bantahan kami.


No Nama Alamat No. Kad Pengenalan
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Anyone of you on your part as an individual can practise your taxpayer rights and as a resident of the affceted area can print this out and sign and send it to them. As Rusman said, the more people do that, we are exerting more pressure on the Local Authority to listen to us.

Please provide anymore input as the Borang must be submitted lastest Tuesday in person.

[jasonbhlee]

Wow! Yeoh..Bravo!!

[jasonbhlee]

Ladies & Gentleman....today at about 3.15pm we were informed by MPSJ that the hearing will be conducted this coming Monday at 2,30pm!! Then again it seems that they want a closed door meeting with only 5 reps from each side..5 from Subang heights and 5 from USJ3ABCD. Due to this extraordinary circumstances,,...we will not ATTEND this hearing unless it is opened to all USJ residetial groups. This hearing will also be attended by UEP, JKR, Selat makmur (contractor for Subang Heights), MPSJ.....
I am writing on behalf of Rusman who is out of office but he will keep you posted REAL SOON!!!!...
Like this also can ah?

[orchipalar]

...for reasons only known to themselves...they would 'normally' announce the schedules...at the LAST minute or SHORTEST notification...by fax...by phone...by word of mouth...at their own fancy...

They would frustrate you...they would confuse you...they would push you around...they would drill you...they would put your patience to the grueling test...they would torture you mentally...n they would even brush you aside n ignore you...

we will not ATTEND this hearing unless it is opened to all USJ residetial groups. This hearing will also be attended by UEP, JKR, Selat makmur (contractor for Subang Heights), MPSJ.....

Err...Orchi would say...that's a good stance to take...coz...the freaking problem would affect...ALL residents in USJ and SJ...coz...we ALL used the affected access roads there...day in n day out.... :)

Ahem...stay united...n stay focused...together...we would get thru this one as well... :)

[aroki]

Err...Orchi is liking what you are saying n suggesting in here... :)
orchi san,

can I sokong you here..medicine seller aka arm chair style..bolehkah...oklah, saya sokong orchi.good move by our JKP leader.

[rusman]

Dear USJ Residents,

I was informed about this meeting today while in an important meeting. THe girl at the other end only said, 'saya hanya menjalankan tugas'.

Cut short:

There will be a meeting/hearing/dialouge between MPSJ, JKR, LLM, Sime UEP, Selat Makmur, Subang Heights buyers and USJ3ABCD residents in MPSJ on Monay at 2:30pm.

In the hearing last Monday, we agreed that this meeting will be held on Sep 30. The coming Monday meeting will be on USJ3ABCD, SIme UEP and all relevant MPSJ jabatan to discuss domestic issues in USJ3ABCD except the flyover link.

I have called Puan Umi, he says I threathen her staff and is very rude, she hung up. I was not.

This is what I am proposing we do:

Alternative 1:
Get the required 5 people from USJ3ABCD to go to the meeting on Monday, get ourselves registered and minuted as attending the meeting, then issue a statement: this hearing was done with indequate notice with no agenda or papers provided before hand. This meeting is suppose to be held on Sep 30 with all reps of affected USJ residents present.

Then walk out.

Alternative 2:
Just don't go.

Alternative 3:
Get all USJ residents to come and jam the palce and then only 5 go in and issue statement as in alternative 1.

Alternative 4:
Write memo now & SMS & email to Puan Umi (organizer) that the hearing is not conducted properly. On Monday, do like in alternative 1.


Dear USJ residents,

Let's all be focus on this. Pls give me your constructive feedback. Meanwhile I got to go and find out whether I am available on Monday at 2:30....

[jordan]

A "no-show" would be suicidal.

No show = tiada bantahan = go ahead

[rusman]

A "no-show" would be suicidal.

No show = tiada bantahan = go ahead

TQ for the constructive comment. I take it you meant 'Alternative 1' but with an added statement: we hereby inform all present that the residents of USJ3ABCD and the USJ residents generally do not agree to the proposed flyover link. We want a properly conducted public hearing to be held so that all affected USJ residents reps can be present..

[jordan]

Yes, somewhere along that line.

Unfortunately, they did not invite the REST of USJ/SJ to attend (from what I gather).

Perhaps, 5 reps from USJ3A/B/C/D plus JKPs representing the REST.

I am not here to play tai chi to the JKPs but I think they would be the best representative rather than getting "uninvited" people to attend. They can just ask us (the REST) for our IC and address and next line of question would be "Encik datang sini buat apa?"

Of course, if you are planning to go along the line of "show of force", you must make the calculation first. Next Monday, is the start of school. Ppl already back from holidays. How many will or can show up ? Maybe, that is the reason for choosing such an auspicious date !

[pcyeoh]

Due to this extraordinary circumstances,,...we will not ATTEND this hearing unless it is opened to all USJ residetial groups. This hearing will also be attended by UEP, JKR, Selat makmur (contractor for Subang Heights), MPSJ.....

Since we are aware of their modus operandi, we must not let that unsettle you. We must be versatile to fight them in their own game. To absent yourself may also forfeit your rights to be heard. And they might just bulldoze through. We have no time and energy to fight them on procedural matter as the saying goes "You may win the battle on procedural matter but you may end up losing the war on your cause," if in the end the flyover is being built.

Please check with those calling for the meeting to find out the agenda. If the meeting is on your local issues and nothing to do with the flyover, there is no reason for you to rope in others for the meeting. But if it is on the flyover, suggest another date rather than no show.

[rusman]

TQ PC Yeoh. I have done as you suggested. Have sent SMS to Puan Umi but her email bouncing. Writing the memo now...

Meeting is not on USJ3ABCD domestic issue.

[robertec]

This is the normal lousy way MPSJ try to stack things against us residents.

May I suggest that you get a representative each from the different precinct 3ABCD. Include the Chairman of your JKP Zone to be at the meeting to represent the larger Community. (MPSJ cannot ignore the JKP, it would be like slapping their own face)

In the meantime, all concerned Residents in SJ/USJ get YB Lee Hwa Beng to ‘turn’ by sending him SMS that we are against the planned flyover at USJ3.

At all times remember not to be ‘rude’, just be “firm”.
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[rusman]

I need email address of MPSJ to send the memo. Anyone knows it?

[orchipalar]

Since we are aware of their modus operandi, we must not let that unsettle you. We must be versatile to fight them in their own game. To absent yourself may also forfeit your rights to be heard. And they might just bulldoze through. We have no time and energy to fight them on procedural matter as the saying goes "You may win the battle on procedural matter but you may end up losing the war on your cause," if in the end the flyover is being built.

Please check with those calling for the meeting to find out the agenda. If the meeting is on your local issues and nothing to do with the flyover, there is no reason for you to rope in others for the meeting. But if it is on the flyover, suggest another date rather than no show.

Err...Hey PCYeoh...when you n all are pushing what's best for everybody...how to loose... :)

[robertec]

I suggest strongly that you send the mail there yourself and get them to acknowledge receipt.

Do not depend on email!!
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[robertec]

ha..ha..ha

If Orchi can 'turn' so can YB Lee.

God bless USJ
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[rusman]

Err...Hey PCYeoh...when you n all are pushing what's best for everybody...how to loose... :)

Appreciate only constructive comments in this thread, TQ.

[rusman]

I suggest strongly that you send the mail there yourself and get them to acknowledge receipt.

Do not depend on email!!
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OK, TQ. Have been advise to use all media necessary, including acknowledged hand delivery.

[pcyeoh]

Puan Ir. Umi Kalthum Bt. Ahmad
umikalthum@mpsj.gov.my

I suggest you cc others as well. If it is addressed only to her, she just click "delete" I have a feeling she doesn't like you so she is ignoring you. Cc to Gilbert and get him to help since those areas fall under JKP Zon 2. I have checked with one of the 'people orientated' councillor and he said the meeting this Monday may not be regarding the fly over. Pls double confirm and whatever it is, do attend the meeting. No show means no opinion.

For the rest of the MPSJ officers you might want to get in touch with, click here. You can forget about the Judge eventhough his name is still there.
http://www.mpsj.gov.my/main.php?Content=sections&SectionID=34

[MOYSC]

Pls correct me if I'm wrong.... I thought I heard LHB saying on Monday 22/08/05 (1st hearing) that the next hearing (one week from then) would only talk about issues NOT related to the approval of the flyover?

He did specifically mention that there is no point arguing, as it has already been approved due to legal reasons. The 2nd hearing was meant to talk about issues on what to put up along the flyover before or when it is ready.

Does this means that LHB is still insisting on his plans or is MPSJ just calling this meeting as per LHB request?

If this hearing ain't working, then what next? Organise a protest? What about petition signatures?

[rusman]

Perhaps, 5 reps from USJ3A/B/C/D plus JKPs representing the REST.

I am not here to play tai chi to the JKPs but I think they would be the best representative rather than getting "uninvited" people to attend. They can just ask us (the REST) for our IC and address and next line of question would be "Encik datang sini buat apa?"


Since they only allow 5, can I suggest 2 from USJ3ABCD and the remaining 3 from JKP Zones 1, 2 & 3. We are all affected by the link.

[tan_r]

... THe girl at the other end only said, 'saya hanya menjalankan tugas'...
Dan kita menunggu arahan daripada Tuan Rusman. ;)

[rusman]

Someone should take the lead... USJ3ABCD, USJRA or JKP Zone 2??

We are a fragmented lot in USJ3ABCD; we just moved in, not settled in and do not know our neighbors very well.

A lot of advise were given in this thread (thank you very much to all the sincere residents); we are working on it, but nothing beats a seasoned player in this domain.

It a very bumpy ride ahead... any constructive advise welcomed.

[rusman]

I suggest strongly that you send the mail there yourself and get them to acknowledge receipt.

Do not depend on email!!

We have send SMS and email to Puan Umi. Anyone knows her fax number (ie Bahagian Engineering)?

[tan_r]

Someone should take the lead... USJ3ABCD, USJRA or JKP Zone 2??
Hasn't USJRA volunteered?

[tan_r]

If don't have her fax number, first thing Mon morning we hand deliver. Ok or not?

[rusman]

Dan kita menunggu arahan daripada Tuan Rusman. ;)

URGENT:

I need the USJRA to write an official letter to MPSJ seeking more details and clarifications on the proposed flyover link as it directly affect all USJ residents. Pls also indicate that you demand a public hearing in accordance with the Town & Country Planning Act and in conformity with Local Agenda 21.

Other individual USJ residents (outside USJ3ABCD) can also write-in as well. I need at least a copy of a letter to proof to MPSJ that this proposed flyover link is not about Subang Heights speculators and USJ3ABCD residents only. It affects all 40,000 USJ residents, and therefore must involve their reps.

[rusman]

If don't have her fax number, first thing Mon morning we hand deliver. Ok or not?

That is my intention. But I still want to fax to her, to ensure I have covered all correspondence media. FYI, her private email id is bouncing and she did not reply to my SMS.

[robertec]

A few of our residents sent SMS messages to YB Dato’ Lee indicating that they and their families were against the building of the USJ3 Flyover, this was the reply they got:

I was the one who informed USJ 3abcd buyers on this link & arranged last week meeting. Another meet is arranged by 30/9/05. What better can I do? Anyway, the link was approved same time as USJ 3abcd & hence the 4 lanes already built by Sime. Hwa Beng

I must remind YB Dato’ Lee that he is the Wakil Rakyat and should stand on the side of all Residents in SJ/USJ and object to the building of the flyover, as oppose to saying what he can or cannot do.
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[jordan]

So, if that is stand that he has, why bother with online voting ?

In any case, if the meeting is still on and the meeting is to discuss about the flyover, I still think that reps from USJ3ABCD should attend.

Back to LHB, why don't we just vote this person out of our area the next round?

[orchipalar]

A few of our residents sent SMS messages to YB Dato’ Lee indicating that they and their families were against the building of the USJ3 Flyover, this was the reply they got:

I was the one who informed USJ 3abcd buyers on this link & arranged last week meeting. Another meet is arranged by 30/9/05. What better can I do? Anyway, the link was approved same time as USJ 3abcd & hence the 4 lanes already built by Sime. Hwa Beng

I must remind YB Dato’ Lee that he is the Wakil Rakyat and should stand on the side of all Residents in SJ/USJ and object to the building of the flyover, as oppose to saying what he can or cannot do.


Err...So...It is clear to Orchi...that the YB Dato Lee has obvious intentions n opted to wash his hands over this freaking issue...:rolleyes:

When there is a WILL...Dato...with due respects n considerations...there is POWER....!!!...to do anything you want...for the good of you as well as those around you n certainly to those whom had supported you all these DONKEY years...isn't that the same philosophy n principles...which you subscribe to...??? :confused:

[robertec]

I sent this message to YB Dato' Lee

YB Dato' Lee, you are the Wakil Rakyat and must stand on the side of all SJ/USJ residents and object to the building of the flyover. Even residents from USJ16 to USJ27 depend on you, as we cannot depend on our Puchong ADUN. Robert

I got this reply:

I am wakil rakyat first & councillor second. Hwa Beng

I sent again:

On behalf of all Residents, Thank you very much Dato.

This was his reply:

My tanggung jawap. Hwa Beng

Once again I wish to thank Dato Lee for his correct stance on this matter.
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[rusman]

Last night I was told by JKP Zone 2 that the meeting on Monday Aug 29 will be on USJ3ABCD domestic issues only as agreed in last Monday's Aug 22 hearing.

I told him I need to be notified by MPSJ as MPSJ has notified me that it is a hearing on the flyover with KESAS, LLM, JKR, Selat Makmur, Sime UEP, MPSJ, speculators of Subang Heights and USJ3ABCD residents.

This morning I got the following SMS from Dato Lee:

'The meeting is on others as promised in last meeting. Do attend. Hwa Beng'

My reply:
Dato',
Then why are JKR, LLM, Subang Heights speculators, Selat Makmur attending? Are you attending & will you represent your constituents? Is this another orchestrated watershed? Why notice given at the very last minute after all other have been firstly notified? Why MPSJ have not contacted me to say meeting is on others?

His reply:
Shall attend as wakil rakyat. Will ask YDP 2 chair. U can refuse 2 discuss the link if discuss. Hwa Beng.

My reply:
Dato'
We don't need JKR, LLM, Selat Makmur & Subang Heights speculators to be present then, do we?

His reply:
I am overseas now & hence no way I orchstra it. Plse b fair 2 me. REMEMBER that I had announced this meeting in the last meeting & had said no notice will b given. Try 2 B honourable. Pn Umi sent notice & invitations without consultation with me. I left overseas immediately after last meeting. Hwa Beng.


I did not reply to his SMS since he did not address my question.

USJ3ABCD will attend the meeting on Monday at 2:30pm with JKP Zone 2. Wish us all the best.

[jordan]

All the best!

Doesn't matter win or lose, as long as we did the best we could.

As for LHB, he is just another ingredient in this big "kuali" of mee goreng. Won't die bcos of him alone and won't celebrate bcos of him alone.

[pcyeoh]

URGENT:
I need the USJRA to write an official letter to MPSJ seeking more details and clarifications on the proposed flyover link as it directly affect all USJ residents. Pls also indicate that you demand a public hearing in accordance with the Town & Country Planning Act and in conformity with Local Agenda 21.
As agreed at our breakfast meeting held in your homeground this morning, the USJRA representative, Jeffrey George who was there with us has pledged the USJRA full support to the USJ community in general and the communities of USJ 3A,B,C and D in particular in their fight against this 'Flyover the Kesas Expressway.' The JKP Zon 3 also wishes to lodge its protest of this link as the increase in traffic will definitely affect those areas under its coverage i.e USJ 9 - USJ 15. The two letters duly signed will be passed to you tomorrow and may we wish you all the best in your coming meeting.

[jasonbhlee]

Thanks Yeoh! This is the kind of support we need. With this support, we can fight for another public hearing so that all JKPs can attend together with us. USJ3ABCD does not want to decide the fate of other usj areas with regards to safety, traffic, etc if and when they decide to build this flyover!

[Pak Kadok]

This "flyover linking" thing is already a done deal, lah, can't you guys see it?

[robertec]

This "flyover linking" thing is already a done deal, lah, can't you guys see it?

Someone mentioned the exact same thing about the Food Court on Balai Polis land in USJ8. And what happened in the end?

There is no such thing as a "done deal" until you have ventured down every avenue.
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[rusman]

The two letters duly signed will be passed to you tomorrow and may we wish you all the best in your coming meeting.

Other individual USJ residents should also write in to demand further clarifications and a public hearing on the proposed flyover. Send it directly to MPSJ and copy it to the ADUN Subang Jaya and MP Kelana Jaya.

The MP Kelana Jaya has highlilghted our plight in the Jawatankuasa Majlis Daerah Petaling. Pls keep him updated as well.

Dato Lee has promised me (via SMS) that a public hearing on the proposed flyover link will be held before Sep 30. All concerned residents should pester (SMS, write, email, fax, telephone) him for a date since the way things are going, they are trying to bulldoze and legitimize the proposed flyover.

Document all your correspondences with him. If you call or SMS, follow thru with email or post it here in this thread so that everyone can read it.

There appears to be some material inconsistencies in the flyover project, definitely not a 'done deal'.

[rusman]

Someone mentioned the exact same thing about the Food Court on Balai Polis land in USJ8.

For your info, I was told by Mr Yap Yun Fatt that at the traffic light corner between Persiaran Setia and USJ3A (the broken ones), there is a piece of small triangle land bordered by deep monsoon drains. This land belongs to Sime UEP.

Believe it or not, this area has been earmarked as Tapak Gerai. Sometimes I feel these people 'tak ada otak'. During working days, that traffic light is congested as it is. With the gerai and cars parking, it will be worse.

Now they want to propose the flyover... memang tak ada otak.

Residents in USJ3ABCD should write in individually to Sime UEP to seek further clarification on this development. The Persatuan Penduduk has done so... but this is another matter, perhaps in another thread.

[tan_r]

Raz, you should get in touch with JKP2 and get them to give you the letter soonest. On my part, I will speak with the Chairman of JKP7.

[orchipalar]

This "flyover linking" thing is already a done deal, lah, can't you guys see it?

Err...dear Pak Kadok:)...please allow Orchi to ask you this...are you on ourside...or you are NOT...??

Ahem...should you be on ours...err...there is NO such thing as DONE deal...UNLESS we the residents GOT NOTHING to say about it...

Err...hope to know of your stance...OR...IF you care to share...what ya know all along...with USjrians???
:)

[rusman]

All USJ residents should write to MPSJ as follows:


Tuan,

CADANGAN MEMBINA JEJANTAS 4 LORONG MERINTANGI KESAS DI ANTARA BATU TIGA DAN PERSIARAN SETIA

Kami dimaklumkan bahawa pihak MPSJ bercadang untuk membina jejantas menghubungi kawasan perindustrian Batu Tiga dengan Persiaran Setia ke Persiaran Tujuan.

Oleh kerana kami akan mengalami pertambahan kesesakan kepada kesesakan lalulintas yang sedia ada akibat cadangan jejantas 4 lorong tersebut, kami inginkan maklumat terperinci mengenainya. Kami juga meminta MPSJ supaya mengadakan perbincangan terbuka dengan penduduk USJ dan wakil-wakilnya secepat mungkin supaya kami dapat memberi maklumbalas tentang cadangan tersebut.

Sekian, terima kasih.


(NAMA)
(ALAMAT)

sk ADUN Subang Jaya
AP Kelana Jaya
Pengerusi-pengerusi JKP Zon 1, 2 dan 3

[rusman]

PERSATUAN PENDUDUK USJ3A, 3B, 3C & 3D


To: August 26, 2005
Puan Umi Kalthum Ahmad
MPSJ

From:
Rusman Zaihan
Protem Chairman
Persatuan Penduduk USJ3A, 3B, 3C & 3D



Puan Umi,

DIALOGUE / HEARING BETWEEN MPSJ, KESAS, LLM, JKR, SIME UEP, SELAT MAKMUR, SUBANG HEIGHTS PURCHASERS & USJ3ABCD RESIDENTS

The hearing to be held on Monday August 29, 2005 in MPSJ is actually scheduled for September 30th. You have informed me of this meeting via telephone today August 26, 2005 at 3:20pm. You have given us indequate notice, no agenda & no papers to consider. Please reschedule the meeting, as agreed on August 22, to September 30th so that all affected USJ residents' representatives can attend.

Thank you.



Regards,




Rusman Zaihan,
Protem Chairman
Persatuan Penduduk USJ3A, 3B, 3C & 3D


cc: MP Kelana Jaya
ADUN Subang Jaya
Chairman, JKP Zone 2

[rusman]

All USJ residents should write to MPSJ as follows:


Tuan,

CADANGAN MEMBINA JEJANTAS 4 LORONG MERINTANGI KESAS DI ANTARA BATU TIGA DAN PERSIARAN SETIA

Kami dimaklumkan bahawa pihak MPSJ bercadang untuk membina jejantas menghubungi kawasan perindustrian Batu Tiga dengan Persiaran Setia ke Persiaran Tujuan.

Oleh kerana kami akan mengalami pertambahan kesesakan kepada kesesakan lalulintas yang sedia ada akibat cadangan jejantas 4 lorong tersebut, kami inginkan maklumat terperinci mengenainya. Kami juga meminta MPSJ supaya mengadakan perbincangan terbuka dengan penduduk USJ dan wakil-wakilnya secepat mungkin supaya kami dapat memberi maklumbalas tentang cadangan tersebut.

Sekian, terima kasih.


(NAMA)
(ALAMAT)

sk ADUN Subang Jaya
AP Kelana Jaya
Pengerusi-pengerusi JKP Zon 1, 2 dan 3


Pls help to post in other USJ residents web forums and groups.

[Pak Kadok]

USJ residents should have been heard before the link was approved.

But, as it is, it was already "pre-approved" and as from what I have read from this thread, even the ADUN of USJ supports the link, honestly, do you guys really think they (the big boys) would really want to listen to you now in a bona-fide way?

As I myself am staying in USJ, there is no doubt about where my position will be on this issue but realistically, I don't see a volte-face from the big boys.

[jasonbhlee]

Hai Pak Kadok...giving up without a fight?...resigned to the fact that we are already defeated?.... it's true for other municipalities..but not in USJ...oorchi is correct on this score!

[rusman]

But, as it is, it was already "pre-approved" and as from what I have read from this thread, even the ADUN of USJ supports the link, honestly, do you guys really think they (the big boys) would really want to listen to you now in a bona-fide way?

Belum mencuba sudah mengaku kalah. Are you from MPSJ or one of the Subang Heights' speculator? Otherwise, you are excess baggage here; get off this thread...

[Pak Kadok]

[/QUOTE]Are you from MPSJ or one of the Subang Heights' speculator? Otherwise, you are excess baggage here; get off this thread...
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Jadi kalo kita nak cakap secara realist, tak boleh ler, kita dah dianggap sebagai "musuh dalam selimut" ler..., betul ke, I nak tanya si Moderator/Administrator tu yg cara I cakap tu tak betul dan dianggap sebagai "musuh " & orang macam I ni tak berhak bersuara di sini.

Kalau gitu cakap si Moderator/Administrator, I celah lah, apa yg nak dihebuh. Wah, tak sangka kau ni bersikap/cakap macam seorang diktatur....

[jordan]

Usah gaduh gaduh lah

It is a VERY tiring subject, this FLYOVER thing

People are stressed

Like I said earlier, anyone wanna help.....pls contribute positively.

And arguing is not positive.....

So, take the chill pill and try not to get any bananas

There is a bigger issue at hand.

[jasonbhlee]

well said jordan! being a realist is one thing..being a negative without a thought is another.

[kwchang]

My dear neighbours,
We go by the standard that each is entitled to his/her opinion.

In a situation like this, let's not get sensitive and diverted. Keep focused. PaKadok is entitled to his views. If you do not agree with him, it is OK. No need to tell him to get out. Please remember that the executioner is the moderator. So, nobody fights. I read all comments objectively and I see no malice in PaKadok's views, he was just posting just his observations.

Do remember that others reading this in silence may not agree entirely with the trend of thoughts but because they are quiet don't mean there are no opposing views. Let us remember in a Forum, there will always be opposing views.

[rusman]

I sent this message to YB Dato' Lee

YB Dato' Lee, you are the Wakil Rakyat and must stand on the side of all SJ/USJ residents and object to the building of the flyover. Even residents from USJ16 to USJ27 depend on you, as we cannot depend on our Puchong ADUN. Robert

I got this reply:

I am wakil rakyat first & councillor second. Hwa Beng


I was listening again to the tape recording of the hearing last Monday Aug 22. Dato Lee said the USJ3 area was split by the KESAS highway and now the parlimen area for Subang Heights is under MP Shah Alam but the state is still under him. This area also under MPSJ.

I think he is mistaken. Subang Heights (Batu Tiga) does not fall under ADUN Subang or MPSJ. The area is under purview of MPSA; the border is west of the gas pipeline or KESAS highway. USJ3ABCD is under ADUN Subang. The flyover is exactly at the border of MPSA and MPSJ.

[rusman]

Jadi kalo kita nak cakap secara realist, tak boleh ler, kita dah dianggap sebagai "musuh dalam selimut" ler..., betul ke, I nak tanya si Moderator/Administrator tu yg cara I cakap tu tak betul dan dianggap sebagai "musuh " & orang macam I ni tak berhak bersuara di sini.


Pls review again your postings, are you a realist or just being outright negative? I have not seen any value adding posts from you on this matter.

I take it you disagree with our efforts. You may write you disagree, that is fine with me. You are entitled and I will respect your opinion. But must you pour cold water on our efforts by making thoughtless negative statements on the obvious and to what we do??

I agree with 'kwchang' that there may be a silent majority out there that disagree with us on this matter. If they choose to be silent, that is their problem. If they feel strongly for the bridge, they should be doing something like us, like the Subang Heights speculators.

Enough said. We will continue to look forward and remain focus; and pls accept my apologises if I have offended you. Peace.

[aroki]

rusman,

keep focus. you and those who oppose the fly over know what you need to do. so press on. don't get side track. There will opposing views, accept that....dont't be like some who can't accept an opposing view. Show them you are above it and press on to stop the fly over as it is not beneficial for those in USJ/SJ.

keep it up man, control your emotions during the meetings with MPSJ. But get it across that we don't want this. When in control, we can do a better job.

good luck. :)

[rusman]

If you look at the Selangor Masterplan 2003 - 2020, the flyover is exactly at the border of MPSA and MPSJ. It is marked as a proposal in the legend. Therefore, since the objection period to the Masterplan is on Aug 30th, there is still time for us to object to it. I hope the respective JKPs, USJRA and residents' associations will include the flyover as an objection.

It is still not a 'done' deal.

[pcyeoh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/e5742404.jpg
Road to nowhere

The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows when


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/b14ad293.jpg
The Missing link

They never met, they never kissed
And they will never know what happiness they missed
For she lived on the morning side of the mountain (Subang Heights)
And he lived on the twilight side of the hill (USJ 3A,B,C and D)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/33ed060d.jpg
Country Road

Country roads,
Take me home,
To the place I belong
West Virginia Mountain Mama,
Take me home
Country roads

The Subang Heights property speculators would want to see Pic 1 and Pic 2 to be linked up by the controversial flyover. If the link is built, Pic 3 will only be your fondest memory.

[Pak Kadok]

Aku tinggal kat USJ 5 & tak berhasrat nak downgrade dari Semi-D di USJ ke sebuah Semi-D di Subang Heights. Dan tak berhasrat nak berspekulasi dgn hartanah di Subang Heights.

Takde sebab kita yg tinggal kat kaw USJ tak nak menyokong tindakan utk membatalkan cadangan link berkenaan (yg telah pun diluluskan senyap2) yg takkan membawa sebarang manafaat kpd kita di USJ, walhal kenderaan yg bertambah hanya akan membawa masalah2 yg tertentu & membuat semak di kaw kita.

Pendek kata, I, keluarga I & member2 lain memang sokong tindakan komuniti ini. Harap sokongan/hasrat yg sama dpt diberi (at least) oleh ADUN kita sendiri....

[Joe Gomez]

Pak Kadok my 2 sen worth, sir,
When issues of this nature are discussed we have to expect many different types of participants coming from many different directions :
1. for
2. against
3. dont give a hoot
4. will never have an encouraging word for those who r trying hard cos, in their minds, they have argued themselves into submission / resignation.
5. ones who wont lift a finger cos they are not affected
6. ones who wont lift a finger EVEN THO they are affected
7. the dogs-in-the-mangers i.e. wont do & wont let others do.
8. the self proclaimed peace makers i.e the guys who turn the other cheek cos they want to score in the after life ........ this life be damned
9. people in positions of authority who do not want to displase their masters
10. louts planted by the other side
11. ................. & the list goes on.

I cld be wrong but I have this impression that rusman, giving him the benefit of the doubt, means no harm .... but his opinions are not helping the broader issue one bit. I think he falls under category # 4.
Leave him alone .... he is not helping .... for the wider game plan his opinion is of no consequence.
rusman does not realise that even if the darn flyover becomes a reality, as he resignedly predicts, we wld have made a point. We wld have shown the ADUN up for what he is.
Wakil Rakyat never.
Councillor last.
Kisser of, appointee YDP's hands >>>> WAS, IS, ALWAYS WILL BE.

[Pak Kadok]

I would also like to add that that long stretch of road that leads right up to the cul-de-sac (as per PCYeoh's pic "Road to Nowhere") is my favorite cycling spot, esp. with its tremendously breezy atmosphere plus also with very little traffic & which I will surely & sorely miss...

[rusman]

Dear PC Yeoh,

Let's go to the other side (Ebor and Batu Tiga industrial Estate) and take pictures and post it here. Then, I think the USJ residents can appreciate what the flyover link will mean to the greater USJ neighborhood and to the school children at the end of Persiaran Setia in USJ12.

[Joe Gomez]

............Then, I think the USJ residents can appreciate what the flyover link will mean to the greater USJ neighborhood and to the school children at the end of Persiaran Setia in USJ12.Arent there schools at the other end ?

[rusman]

I spoke to some civil engineer friends and inform them about the 4 lane highway and MPSJ proposal to restrict heavy vehicles when the flyover is done. They all laughed and said that this is not practical.

Since they do not live in USJ and cannot dimension the problem, appreciate if anyone knows an engineer (preferably one that builds road) who lives in Subang or USJ and get them to send me a private email here. Some issues I would like to clarify.

[MOYSC]

Dear USJ Folks,

This Batu Tiga flyover link to USJ is NOT just about Subang Heights & USJ3ABCD alone. These two (2) areas are only merely fronting the exits on both sides of USJ & Batu Tiga.

Already a 4-lane road (soon to be highway) has been constructed at both ends. It is simply illogical for MPSJ representative to state the purpose for this link was merely to connect residents at both Subang Heights and USJ alone. Memang ada udang di sebalik batu!

If one were to look slightly beyond Subang Heights (within 0.5km radius), there is already a 131 units of medium cost Apartment, known as Suria Subang currently under construction, tens of large-scale factories at Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park (just within short walking distance from Subang Heights) & at least 2 more new apartment/condo projects nearby.

Please individually visualise & analyse its impact, if the flyover is allowed to be built...

[rusman]

If one were to look slightly beyond Subang Heights (within 0.5km radius), there is already a 131 units of medium cost Apartment, known as Suria Subang currently under construction, tens of large-scale factories at Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park (just within short walking distance from Subang Heights) & at least 2 more new apartment/condo projects nearby.


The Sime UEP land before Subang heights will be a residential area of at least 400 units. This area will be linked to the greater Ebor Industrial Estate and Pinggiran USJ1.

If the link is built, it will be a main thoroughfare like Persiaran Tujuan or Kewajipan, no less.

WE MUST LOBBY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS FLYOVER LINK AS IT AFFECTS ALL USJ RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY OUR CHILDREN IN USJ12 SCHOOLS.

[Joe Gomez]

Pak Kadok ( shd read rusman ) my 2 sen worth, sir,
When issues of this nature are discussed we have to expect many different types of participants coming from many different directions :
1. for
2. against
3. dont give a hoot
4. will never have an encouraging word for those who r trying hard cos, in their minds, they have argued themselves into submission / resignation.
5. ones who wont lift a finger cos they are not affected
6. ones who wont lift a finger EVEN THO they are affected
7. the dogs-in-the-mangers i.e. wont do & wont let others do.
8. the self proclaimed peace makers i.e the guys who turn the other cheek cos they want to score in the after life ........ this life be damned
9. people in positions of authority who do not want to displase their masters
10. louts planted by the other side
11. ................. & the list goes on.

I cld be wrong but I have this impression that rusman ( shd read Pak Kadok ), giving him the benefit of the doubt, means no harm .... but his opinions are not helping the broader issue one bit. I think he falls under category # 4.
Leave him alone .... he is not helping .... for the wider game plan his opinion is of no consequence.
rusman does not realise that even if the darn flyover becomes a reality, as he resignedly predicts, we wld have made a point. We wld have shown the ADUN up for what he is.
Wakil Rakyat never.
Councillor last.
Kisser of, appointee YDP's hands >>>> WAS, IS, ALWAYS WILL BE.Dear rusman, pls accept my sincere apologies. I got the names on in reverse. It is Pak Kadok who fits into category # 4. A thousand apologies, rusman.

[ivanhow]

Dear USJ Folks,

This Batu Tiga flyover link to USJ is NOT just about Subang Heights & USJ3ABCD alone. These two (2) areas are only merely fronting the exits on both sides of USJ & Batu Tiga.

Already a 4-lane road (soon to be highway) has been constructed at both ends. It is simply illogical for MPSJ representative to state the purpose for this link was merely to connect residents at both Subang Heights and USJ alone. Memang ada udang di sebalik batu!
Dear MOYSC, You brought up a very important point here.
Does anyone know whether this stretch is reflected in the draft Selangor Structural Plan 2020 (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8505), as I was told. Can anyone confirm?
Woe... if this is true, we are already being squeezed into a massive crawl in SJ/USJ??? :confused: Need to include in the 'bantahan' of the SSP2020 (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8505) before the closing date... anyone acting on this?


If one were to look slightly beyond Subang Heights (within 0.5km radius), there is already a 131 units of medium cost Apartment, known as Suria Subang currently under construction, tens of large-scale factories at Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park (just within short walking distance from Subang Heights) & at least 2 more new apartment/condo projects nearby.

Please individually visualise & analyse its impact, if the flyover is allowed to be built...
To the benefit of both the residents of Subang Heights and USJ3ABCD (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=76804&postcount=24), the more meaningful proposal wud be to provide exit/entry to/from the KESAS highway. This may sound an impossible dream... But nothing is impossible... Think of it - this shud be the solution to the woes of both SH and USJ3ABCD.
Think again... anyone puting up this proposal to solve the impasse?

[jasonbhlee]

providing an exit to Kesas highway to the Subang Heights residents would be one solution but to make an access to Kesas highway from USJ3ABCD would be suicidal as well. One of the main problems facing the residents especially in USJ3C is the sound of vehicles is at an unbearable point.

[rusman]

Need to include in the 'bantahan' of the SSP2020 (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8505) before the closing date... anyone acting on this?

To the benefit of both the residents of Subang Heights and USJ3ABCD (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=76804&postcount=24), the more meaningful proposal wud be to provide exit/entry to/from the KESAS highway.

Yes, all residents' groups must include the flyover in the bantahan before Aug 30. Contact PC Yeoh for more details.

On the KESAS exit, we highlighted it as one of the alternatives but based on last Monday's hearing, MPSJ did not consider other alternatives to the flyover link. That is why we recommended a second hearing to consider alternatives and inputs from other USJ residents. Dato Lee SMS me that he will conduct a hearing with USJ residents before Sep 30th.

Everyone must lobby for a public hearing to take place with USJ residents!

[MOYSC]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Apts%20at%20Subang%20HTech.jpg
An under-construction 131 units of medium cost apartment situated near the entrance into Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park. Anyone interested???


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Subang%20Heights.jpg
Traffic lights junction separating 2 parcels of Subang Heights (approx. 500m away from Persiaran Jubli Perak entry into Subang Hi-Tech Ind. Park).


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Subang%20Heights%20road%20ending1.JPG
The road beside Subang Heights that leads to no where for now... (approx. 100m from <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=traffic%20lights" onmouseover="window.status='traffic lights'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">traffic lights</a> junction)


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Road%20ending%20signage.jpg
Sime UEP signage found at the road ending. Could this be the jumping point to connect to USJ3ABCD???

[rusman]

[IMG]Traffic lights junction separating 2 parcels of Subang Heights (approx. 500m away from Persiaran Jubli Perak entry into Subang Hi-Tech Ind. Park).



The traffic lights at the entrance of Subang Heights proves that the developer is expecting high traffic volume thru to Persiaran Tujuan.

If they already have access to Persiaran Jubli Perak approx 500 m away, why do they need another access into USJ?? Would it not be easier to exit via Batu Tiga interchange?

The needs of 300 bungalow lots cannot override the costs to 10,000 households in USJ.

[ivanhow]

On the KESAS exit, we highlighted it as one of the alternatives but based on last Monday's hearing, MPSJ did not consider other alternatives to the flyover link. That is why we recommended a second hearing to consider alternatives and inputs from other USJ residents. Dato Lee SMS me that he will conduct a hearing with USJ residents before Sep 30th.

Everyone must lobby for a public hearing to take place with USJ residents!
Err.. Rusman :)
It is not sufficient to highlite the alternative. MPSJ does not want to have additional hurdle with the KESAS, and merely turned down the alternative. Residents shud make it for MPSJ as a pre-condition for the link to exist, there must be sufficient exit/entry to/from the highways and expressways in order that traffic can be dispersed out of SJ/USJ, not merely pumping more traffic into the already-congested township of SJ/USJ. Point to the already bad traffic that is already a daily feature of SJ/USJ, and there shud be no reason to add to the already bad situation.

[ivanhow]

The road beside Subang Heights that leads to no where for now...
Let it lead the traffic into the SAE (KESAS) rather than across to USJ3ABCD. This shud make more sense. The Summit interchange is insufficient to handle existing traffic flowing out to KESAS - whatmore to bring more traffic from Subang Heights - let the traffic flow direct into KESAS. At the same time, traffic from USJ3ABCD shud be allowed to flow out into KESAS as well, both directions. Traffic flowing between Subang Heights and USJ3ABCD should be limited to light vehicles (height of van and below) via height barrier :D to prevent industrial and heavy vehicles from plying the link.

KESAS shud not prevent traffic from flowing into the SAE. Shud the highway not farmed out to collect toll, the highway rightly belongs to the gormen, and the ppl shud be the beneficiary. Shud expressways not built on prime land (ground level), then there wud be ample ground land for building an exit stretching from Subang Heights (and USJ3ABCD) to KL or SA at gormen's (TaxPayers) expense. Most traffic from SH/USJ3ABCD wud be SAE-bound.

What is MPSJ's rational for objecting to the proposal? :confused:
Ask the residents of SH, "Why they are so keen on the link?"
Is it to:
a) get into USJ? or
b) get into USJ so that they can access to the SAE?

And if it is the former (a), ask them how they are doing it now. (So, they want a shortcut?) And, SimeUEP promised them a shortcut into USJ... :rolleyes:
And if it is the latter (b), ask them why wud they want to get into USJ (jam) :confused: .

[ivanhow]

providing an exit to Kesas highway to the Subang Heights residents would be one solution but to make an access to Kesas highway from USJ3ABCD would be suicidal as well. One of the main problems facing the residents especially in USJ3C is the sound of vehicles is at an unbearable point.
Err... jasonbhlee :)
Shud I say, you may have a less stressful day, getting to the highways and expressways, considering that it is only a stones throw to get to the SAE (Kesas).

Not sure if you have tasted the traffic jams in USJ. But, between the two, the noise becomes secondary. :p

[rusman]

Err.. Rusman :)
It is not sufficient to highlite the alternative. MPSJ does not want to have additional hurdle with the KESAS, and merely turned down the alternative. Residents shud make it for MPSJ as a pre-condition for the link to exist, there must be sufficient exit/entry to/from the highways and expressways in order that traffic can be dispersed out of SJ/USJ, not merely pumping more traffic into the already-congested township of SJ/USJ. Point to the already bad traffic that is already a daily feature of SJ/USJ, and there shud be no reason to add to the already bad situation.

We have already highlighted this on last Monday Aug 22 but the excuse given range from 'whatever traffic goes in, must come out', to 'the jam is already there in Persiaran Tujuan, there is nothing we can do about it, so why stop the flyover link?'.

Incredible, but true. That is why we must push for the public hearing for all USJ residents. Even on this we were told, 'this flyover is merely a connectivity between 2 communities that was separated by KESAS'. But we insisted this issue affects all USJ residents.

[Keitaro88]

Rusman

I am a resident in the TP area. I would like to contribute to this as well as this in fact affects everyone in USJ. It does not make sense to increase traffic flow to an already congested Persiaran Tujuan. How can I contribute?

[rusman]

Rusman

I am a resident in the TP area. I would like to contribute to this as well as this in fact affects everyone in USJ. It does not make sense to increase traffic flow to an already congested Persiaran Tujuan. How can I contribute?

As individuals, you can cut and paste the template of letters I have posted here and then you can email to hwabeng1@streamyx.com, lohsengkok@kelanajaya.com and to umikalthum@mpsj.gov.my.

If you have a residents' association, write letters to them. Inform all your neighbors. This matter is not about USJ3ABCD alone, it affects all USJ residents.

[pcyeoh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/e5742404.jpg
USJ end

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Subang%20Heights%20road%20ending1.JPG
Subang Heights end

So near yet so far. Both yearned to get connected. If they do, it will be hell for those living along Persiaran Setia in particular and SJ/USJ in general.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/e5742404.jpg
USJ end

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/40/1487/400/Subang%20Heights%20road%20ending1.JPG
Subang Heights end

So near yet so far. Both yearned to get connected. If they do, it will be hell for those living along Persiaran Setia in particular and SJ/USJ in general.

[jasonbhlee]

Rusman

I am a resident in the TP area. I would like to contribute to this as well as this in fact affects everyone in USJ. It does not make sense to increase traffic flow to an already congested Persiaran Tujuan. How can I contribute?

Keitaro..infact we(in usj3abcd) are trying to get the TP residents to join our cause. Do you have a rep or residents committee whom we can invite in our next meeting. Can sms to Rusman (his phone number is somewhere in the post here). TP is one of the first residential area going to be affected after those in usj3abcd. Please pass info down to your fellow neighbours. Tq.

[tan_r]

Keitaro..infact we(in usj3abcd) are trying to get the TP residents to join our cause. Do you have a rep or residents committee whom we can invite in our next meeting. Can sms to Rusman (his phone number is somewhere in the post here). TP is one of the first residential area going to be affected after those in usj3abcd. Please pass info down to your fellow neighbours. Tq.
Welcome Keitaro88. We all need to touch base with each other and communicate more so that our residents are aware of what is coming this way. Rusman is now the focal point of all communication so please pm him your private contact number.

[Keitaro88]

Tan R & Jason

I will pass the info on to my neighbours. I m not sure about whether there is a resident committee in TP. Meanwhile I will follow Rusman's advise to send the surat surat bantahans to the addresses he has listed.

I believe many of the people in TP or USJ for that matter is not aware of this issue that is going to affect them so drastically.

[rusman]

I will pass the info on to my neighbours. I m not sure about whether there is a resident committee in TP.

Do not re-invent the wheel & too late to start one. Join our Neighborhood Watch Group. We now have 4 groups, USJ3A, USJ3B, USJ3C & USJ3D. One more won't kill us. Self appoint yourself as rep for TP area and sign-up at http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/USJ3ABCD/

Follow messages that follow. Unity is strength, be all you can be.

[rusman]

If anyone knows the Chairman's email of any of the above RAs, pls give it to me.

[pcyeoh]

If anyone knows the Chairman's email of any of the above RAs, pls give it to me.
This is confirm that there is no RA in USJ 12. The Neighbourhood Watch USJ 12 formed 4 years ago died an infant death due to the common illness - apathy which is a common ailment happening in many other areas as well. The Chairman Mr Ng Sua Seh and I, a member of the committee are now with the USJRA. The same applies to USJ 3 and 4. USJ 3 managed to start with two roads but eventually died a prematured death. But the USJRA Treasurer lives there. As for USJ 4, it was not even borned. But then the USJRA President, P. Jayan has given you the commitment that the USJRA will champion this cause.

[Sukhipanna]

My client who has a house in both USJ3A and Subang Height would like to be present at the meeting with MPSJ. Is it ON today? Would anyone have details?
Thanks.

[tan_r]

... in both USJ3A and Subang Height
And who is he/she going to sit with in the meeting? USJ or SH?

[rusman]

Just to update all dire hards out there,

The meeting today started quite late since there were Subang Heights residents (they outnumber us again) who wanted to join the meeting. I believe Dato Lee informed them that this meeting was for USJ3ABCD issues only.

I have specifically stated at the onset that we will not be discussing the flyover link in this meeting because Dato Lee has promised to call for a public hearing on the flyover link with USJ residents. He affirmed this in the meeting; a date before Sep 30.

I strongly recommend all USJ residents come prepared for this public hearing will will be chaired by the YDP. Since MPSJ had informed us only 5 can attend today's meeting, yet our cousins from Subang Heights came more than 5 times that amount, I would recommend USJ residents do come out in force. I believe Dato Lee is trying to get a larger hall to accomodate all.

Is you feel strongly about this issue, then be there to show your support against the flyover. As far as I am concern, USJ3ABCD has delivered a public hearing on the flyover link for all USJ residents. Pls do not waste this opportunity. The road is still long and bumpy ahead, resilient and unity is the key to success in this fight for equity.

Do keep your eyes and ears open for the hearing date and pls publish it here if you know about it.

[MOYSC]

Not sure if you have tasted the traffic jams in USJ. But, between the two, the noise becomes secondary. :p

Noise can be secondary, but lets practice SAFETY FIRST! Like it or not, if Persiaran Setia were to be connected to KESAS (instead of Subang Heights), then USJ3C & 3D homes would be too close to KESAS exit, thus endangering children & pedestrians nearby.

It is rather unfortunate that SAFETY is often a SECONDARY issue whenever homes are built along highways. No doubt, it eases entry/exit...

Just a thinker...since the MPSJ is so keen to connect both its area on both sides of KESAS, why don't they consider building a link between the TP areas instead of via Subang Heights? Isn't it more logical to connect their industrial areas instead of connecting just 300 homes with that huge sum of money spent?

If the TP areas can be connected, then possibly this link can also have a KESAS connection option, so that instead of feeding heavy vehicles into USJ areas via Jln Setia, these vehicles can feed directly into KESAS. Build an I-beam gantry (heavy duty) before the traffic lights entering Jln Setia, so that heavy vehicles are barred from entering USJ areas, whislt enabling light vehicles to cross over. Worth considering???

[rusman]

This is confirm that there is no RA in USJ 12. The Neighbourhood Watch USJ 12 formed 4 years ago died an infant death due to the common illness - apathy which is a common ailment happening in many other areas as well. As for USJ 4, it was not even borned.

USJ12 kena cot death. Must try again. Like the Hakka song 'never say die'. USJ4 not born does not mean mandul.

USJRA should make it an agenda to have at least 2 new RAs every year. You have all the necessary docs for the start-up and membership drive. All we need is to find the right people to start it.

When issues like the flyover link comes about, it is difficult to make a new start-up. Only the RA can champion issues of common interest in an area. I hope there are residents in USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 reading this thread that will come forward to contact me. USJRA can only champion issues that affect all USJ residents (like the flyover link), but they still need grassroots support; USJRA definitely will not address unique issues like the USJ3ABCD domestic issues.

On the flyover link, it ain't over yet...

[tan_r]

Much mention has been made of Local Agenda 21. Anyone has any idea where a copy can be obtained?

[rusman]

Much mention has been made of Local Agenda 21. Anyone has any idea where a copy can be obtained?

Contact Tony Quek from USJ3ABCD... he got softcopy.

[MOYSC]

Much mention has been made of Local Agenda 21. Anyone has any idea where a copy can be obtained?

click onto this link for a 338 page doc:
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/agenda21toc.htm

double click "Agenda 21 in pdf" at Quick Links (Right side of this webpage).

[rusman]

...why don't they consider building a link between the TP areas instead of via Subang Heights? Isn't it more logical to connect their industrial areas instead of connecting just 300 homes with that huge sum of money spent?

If the TP areas can be connected, then possibly this link can also have a KESAS connection option, so that instead of feeding heavy vehicles into USJ areas via Jln Setia, these vehicles can feed directly into KESAS. Build an I-beam gantry (heavy duty) before the traffic lights entering Jln Setia, so that heavy vehicles are barred from entering USJ areas, whislt enabling light vehicles to cross over.

The above are practical (& possibly cheaper) alternatives to the flyover link. USJRA pls take note.

Another option is to link multiple residential roads in SS19 to multiple residential roads in Batu Tiga. Only light vehicles can go thru. Light traffic will be dispersed over a larger area in SS19 and Batu Tiga.

Another option is to improve existing access in Subang Hitech to Batu Tiga. I understand they already have this 4-lane access, called Persiaran Subang Hitech. Access out is what they want, access to Batu Tiga is also an access out.

Another option is to have access out (only) to KESAS from Persiaran Subang Hitech. Lots of space for this ramp down to KESAS and the traffic will give KESAS lots of business. Subang Heights residents can go to USJ thru the existing ramp at Summit.

USJ residents, keep giving alternatives and options to USJRA. We cannot just protest the flyover link, give alternatives as well. MPSJ has not considered alternatives (hearing on Aug 22). MPSJ has not done traffic impact and assessment study for this link.

I believe direct access out to KESAS East (heading towards KL) from Persiaran Subang Hitech is the best solution since no homes are affected on that side by this ramp. Batu Tiga and Guthrie Corridor residents to KL south can have fast access to KESAS East from Federal Highway!

[aroki]

Another option is to link multiple residential roads in SS19 to multiple residential roads in Batu Tiga. Only light vehicles can go thru. Light traffic will be dispersed over a larger area in SS19 and Batu Tiga.


is there a link(s) between SS19 and batu tiga? SS19 is congested as it is right now.

[jasonbhlee]

Much mention has been made of Local Agenda 21. Anyone has any idea where a copy can be obtained?

Actually not many people understand LA 21 (including myself of coz). However the authorities always say that we are conducting public hearing to satisfy LA21.....for the sake of satisfying LA21? If indeed they want to hear opinions or objections, surely the public hearing should always come before approvals...but here we have the reverse sequence of events. Approval first then hearing later. Think we are nuts! Its all eyewash!

[ivanhow]

Noise can be secondary, but lets practice SAFETY FIRST! Like it or not, if Persiaran Setia were to be connected to KESAS (instead of Subang Heights), then USJ3C & 3D homes would be too close to KESAS exit, thus endangering children & pedestrians nearby.

Err... MOYSC, :) I must agree that safety shud be utmost, not a doubt. Let's look at the SJ/USJ Traffic issue in totality. If I own a house at USJ3ABCD, I wud agree that noise wud be a constant issue coz its so close to SAE (Kesas) by my knowledge prior to purchase. Getting up the link is just inviting more noise. Agreed. On the issue of SJ/USJ traffic, I wud be happy if I can reach home via direct entry via SAE. A fuel and time saver. If I can get out of USJ3ABCD to SAE I also benefit as a time and fuel save. I may be one to propose direct entry/exit from/to SAE. :) :p

Just a thinker...since the MPSJ is so keen to connect both its area on both sides of KESAS, why don't they consider building a link between the TP areas instead of via Subang Heights? Isn't it more logical to connect their industrial areas instead of connecting just 300 homes with that huge sum of money spent?
Wud be a good starting point to make to the local authorities, if MPSJ is adamant that the link must be up. If MPSJ have plans to connect, and they may bulldoze it thru, then, the entry/exit may help to reduce the impact the link.

A link that connects the two industrial areas together, wud be a bonus. This link shud be a full grade interchange. Perhaps you can make that proposal to ensure the Local Authorities take it up seriously. Perhaps it's already in their plans? :D Dun see why residents wud not support this industrial link/interchange. Good for everyone including the industry operators.

I have witnessed that trailers moving in/out to/from the SJ TP industrial area next to USJ3ABCD. Access to this industrial area is presently accessible from USJ. It is hightime an external access be provided for industrial traffic without having to ply residential roads in SJ/USJ.

Industrial Traffic shud not be allowed to swamp and overstrees the residential roads in SJ/USJ anymore that it was designed to be. Currently they are already overloaded. Overloaded is the word.


If the TP areas can be connected, then possibly this link can also have a KESAS connection option, so that instead of feeding heavy vehicles into USJ areas via Jln Setia, these vehicles can feed directly into KESAS. Build an I-beam gantry (heavy duty) before the traffic lights entering Jln Setia, so that heavy vehicles are barred from entering USJ areas, whislt enabling light vehicles to cross over. Worth considering?? Shud be a positive "yes". This shud be a more meaningful proposal for the TP access from the SAE, which is currently lacking. Believe residents here in USJ wud be all for it. ;)

[ivanhow]

is there a link(s) between SS19 and batu tiga? SS19 is congested as it is right now.
Agree with Aroki, dun think we shud add more traffic into SJ/USJ unless it provide another alternative exit, to dispersal traffic out of ss19 and the rest of SJ/USJ to SAE (Kesas). By that, it means an exit from SH to SAE, bordering SS19. Looking at that angle - might be a viable one.

[orchipalar]

By that, it means an exit from SH to SAE, bordering SS19. Looking at that angle - might be a viable one.

Err...they could then use KESAS to get to Persiaran Kewajipan...working their ways to Sunway...or proceed on to jam up Summit traffic light junction...n further...to get to the 'proposed' USJ1 - Tesco Link to Puchong...ahem...save freaking tolls mar... :rolleyes:

So...as far as Orchi is concerned...the would be FlyOver from Subang Heights/Hi-Tech...stays SHUT!

But...Oh Please!...build a couple more accesses to disperse traffic from within USJ/SJ...onto KESAS...n ELITE...period! ;)

[rusman]

I hope USJRA is taking down all these suggestions, even the most ridiculous ones, then to put forward to MPSJ the best alternatives to the flyover link during the public hearing.

Subang Heights residents want access, so our alternatives will include their access; not a thoroughfare between Batu Tiga and USJ.

[rusman]

A link that connects the two industrial areas together, wud be a bonus. This link shud be a full grade interchange. Perhaps you can make that proposal to ensure the Local Authorities take it up seriously. Perhaps it's already in their plans? :D Dun see why residents wud not support this industrial link/interchange. Good for everyone including the industry operators.

I have witnessed that trailers moving in/out to/from the SJ TP industrial area next to USJ3ABCD. Access to this industrial area is presently accessible from USJ. It is hightime an external access be provided for industrial traffic without having to ply residential roads in SJ/USJ.

Industrial Traffic shud not be allowed to swamp and overstrees the residential roads in SJ/USJ anymore that it was designed to be. Currently they are already overloaded. Overloaded is the word.

When I moved into USJ from another state, we had to take our furniture in a 20-foot trailer into USJ. I was asked to indemnify the trailer operator against traffic fines since I was told by the moving company that trailer exceeding 20-foot are prohibited to enter residential areas, ie Subang and USJ.

If that is the case, then the 40-foot trailers carrying Proton cars coming in and out of Taman TP into USJ are also breaking the law!

An industrial interchange linking both industrial estate (Taman TP and Ebor) would serve as a quick exit to KESAS/ELITE for residents in USJ and Batu Tiga, relieving the congested Persiaran Tujuan and Ebor Estate narrow access. Heavy vehicles need not enter through USJ or Subang Heights.

The ongoing commercial development in Taman TP will not further choke traffic at USJ12/Persiaran Tujuan junction. Subang Heights will have their access and USJ residents too will have direct access to KESAS and ELITE. Both side wins.

[rusman]

Thank you for your reply Dato'. To address the memory lapse problem, we will document all our communication with each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:09 PM
To: 'Rusman Amir '
Subject: An extract from Dato Lee Hwa Beng web site

Dear Raz,

Either you have a bad memory or me.

In the potluck session in May 2005 and the meeting last week, I had always said the link has been approved by MPSJ same time as MPSJ approved USJ 3abcd. I also said that this link was suggested by me in 1996 and have now regretted it as I am aware of the traffic problems that it will create. Therefore, I was the one who suggested that you object to it and see what we can do about it.

Remember that all those meetings and this proposed link were brought to your attention by me as your wakil rakyat. Therefore, I am doing my duty as your wakil rakyat and we are on the same side. However, we ALL MUST take into account that the link was approved same time as MPSJ approved USJ 3abcd AND Subang Heights. Therefore, the Town & Planning Act does not apply but LA21 applies. That is why I am initiating those meetings and consultations.

Subang Heights buyers, whether speculators or genuine buyers, have their rights too. They bought the bungalow lots with the knowledge that there is a link road informed to them by their developer and approved by MPSJ. They can sue either the developer or MPSJ. Hence, you cannot accuse me of taking sides. As a responsible leader, I have taken cognition of all factors.

Similarly, I had also proposed the Subang Jaya West (KFC) expansion, the NPE upgrade, the second link and Tesco link to solve the traffic woes in SJ/USJ. The KFC expansion has been completed and NPE upgrade and 2nd link are under construction.

On hindsight I agree that the Tesco / USJ 1 link and USJ 3A / Subang Heights link are not good ideas after all. The difference between these two is that MPSJ had approved the USJ 3A / Subang Heights link but not the Tesco / USJ 1 link. I am objecting to both but it is easier to torpedo the Tesco’s but not USJ 3A’s.

However, do not give up on the USJ 3A yet. Keep on objecting. We need other leaders from USJ to assist us. Maybe the proposed public hearing would be a good avenue for all to come together. I shall ask the new YDP to chair this hearing and also ask him to give ample notice.

I seek all your understanding and patience. It is so easy for me to take your side and wallop MPSJ but would it be responsible for me?

Bye.


Yours In Service,
Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: Rusman Amir

Sent: 24 August 2005 12:40
To: 'hwabeng1@streamyx'; hwabeng@pc.jaring.my
Subject: An extract from Dato Lee Hwa Beng web site

Dato' Lee,

Below is an extract from your web site. Why are you consistently contradicting yourself??

As it is, you acknowledge there is traffic jam along Persiaran Tujuan yet you allow the Batu Tiga link to be built. In May 2005 during the USJ3D pot luck, in front of the USJ8 policemen, Chairman JKP Zon 2, Mr Yap Yun Fatt and all USJ3ABCD residents, you had stated that you will not allow a proposed link to Batu Tiga. Now you say it has already been approved since 1998 and is promoting its link!

It does not matter that there are 2 schools at the end of the road in USJ12 and the fact that existing roads will not be widen. It does not matter that our children lives are at stake for the benefit of 300 odd bungalow buyers who have yet to move in.

We demand that you do a proper public hearing in accordance with the provisions of the Country & Town Act and in conformity of Local Agenda 21 for the benefits of all USJ Residents.

You are our ADUN and also a member of the MPSJ council. Pls start acting like one, and not promoting the Batu Tiga link as if you are one of the buyer of the Subang Heights gated community.

RAZ

[orchipalar]

Thank you for your reply Dato'. To address the memory lapse problem, we will document all our communication with each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:09 PM
To: 'Rusman Amir '
Subject: An extract from Dato Lee Hwa Beng web site

Dear Raz,

Either you have a bad memory or me.

In the potluck session in May 2005 and the meeting last week, I had always said the link has been approved by MPSJ same time as MPSJ approved USJ 3abcd. I also said that this link was suggested by me in 1996 and have now regretted it as I am aware of the traffic problems that it will create. Therefore, I was the one who suggested that you object to it and see what we can do about it.

Remember that all those meetings and this proposed link were brought to your attention by me as your wakil rakyat. Therefore, I am doing my duty as your wakil rakyat and we are on the same side. However, we ALL MUST take into account that the link was approved same time as MPSJ approved USJ 3abcd AND Subang Heights. Therefore, the Town & Planning Act does not apply but LA21 applies. That is why I am initiating those meetings and consultations.

Subang Heights buyers, whether speculators or genuine buyers, have their rights too. They bought the bungalow lots with the knowledge that there is a link road informed to them by their developer and approved by MPSJ. They can sue either the developer or MPSJ. Hence, you cannot accuse me of taking sides. As a responsible leader, I have taken cognition of all factors.

Similarly, I had also proposed the Subang Jaya West (KFC) expansion, the NPE upgrade, the second link and Tesco link to solve the traffic woes in SJ/USJ. The KFC expansion has been completed and NPE upgrade and 2nd link are under construction.

On hindsight I agree that the Tesco / USJ 1 link and USJ 3A / Subang Heights link are not good ideas after all. The difference between these two is that MPSJ had approved the USJ 3A / Subang Heights link but not the Tesco / USJ 1 link. I am objecting to both but it is easier to torpedo the Tesco’s but not USJ 3A’s.

However, do not give up on the USJ 3A yet. Keep on objecting. We need other leaders from USJ to assist us. Maybe the proposed public hearing would be a good avenue for all to come together. I shall ask the new YDP to chair this hearing and also ask him to give ample notice.

I seek all your understanding and patience. It is so easy for me to take your side and wallop MPSJ but would it be responsible for me?

Bye.


Yours In Service,
Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: Rusman Amir

Sent: 24 August 2005 12:40
To: 'hwabeng1@streamyx'; hwabeng@pc.jaring.my
Subject: An extract from Dato Lee Hwa Beng web site

Dato' Lee,

Below is an extract from your web site. Why are you consistently contradicting yourself??

As it is, you acknowledge there is traffic jam along Persiaran Tujuan yet you allow the Batu Tiga link to be built. In May 2005 during the USJ3D pot luck, in front of the USJ8 policemen, Chairman JKP Zon 2, Mr Yap Yun Fatt and all USJ3ABCD residents, you had stated that you will not allow a proposed link to Batu Tiga. Now you say it has already been approved since 1998 and is promoting its link!

It does not matter that there are 2 schools at the end of the road in USJ12 and the fact that existing roads will not be widen. It does not matter that our children lives are at stake for the benefit of 300 odd bungalow buyers who have yet to move in.

We demand that you do a proper public hearing in accordance with the provisions of the Country & Town Act and in conformity of Local Agenda 21 for the benefits of all USJ Residents.

You are our ADUN and also a member of the MPSJ council. Pls start acting like one, and not promoting the Batu Tiga link as if you are one of the buyer of the Subang Heights gated community.

RAZ

Err...dear Rusman:)...good job here again...

Ahem...now how else would Orchi perceive this to be then?...still he keeps on saying it's a done deal(approved in 1998)...but we can keep trying to object all we want...right?

n how else should he NOT be more responsible n accountable over his own responsibility towards the very communities under him here...???

Why should he be over worried about any possibility of them folks from Subang Heights buyers...or speculators...taking the freaking potshots at MPSJ n the developer thru legal suits??...what role would he be playing as...on that matter then...???

Err....certainly he is NOT the ADUN...wakil rakyats...for Subang Heights/Subang Hi-Tech there right...???:confused:

Then...why the heck should every USJ residents be short changed as well...n having the need to put up with their mess n spill overs... created over from the other opposite end...at Subang Heights/Hi-Tech...???

You are our ADUN and also a member of the MPSJ council. Pls start acting like one, and not promoting the Batu Tiga link as if you are one of the buyer of the Subang Heights gated community.

Err...well let this freaking loudmouth Orchi be damned...should Orchi be missing this one...ahem...has he or has he NOT deny...possibly having any sorta interests in Subang Heights...or Subang Hi-Tech....??? :rolleyes:

[MOYSC]

I believe direct access out to KESAS East (heading towards KL) from Persiaran Subang Hitech is the best solution since no homes are affected on that side by this ramp. Batu Tiga and Guthrie Corridor residents to KL south can have fast access to KESAS East from Federal Highway!

Well, of course, if we want to try to be funny, we can further request this link to be made into a one-way access, ie only for USJ residents to go out to KESAS, so that the other side of TP residential areas need not come into USJ roads. How about that? We're not hearing any complaints from this bunch of house owners right? Another one of my silly ideas to ponder...

NOTE1 : There are quite a number of Sime-UEP terrace houses currently under construction (besides more factories) at the other side of TP (across the KESAS), which I believe the area is known as Tmn Perindustrian Subang Utama, which is also under MPSJ purview. USJ residents may want not want traffic from here to be fed into USJ roads either! Do weigh the consequences - if USJ residents want more in/out access to/fro USJ, a link to another area cannot be avoided.

NOTE2 :Tmn Perindustrian Subang Utama is divided into 2 parcels by Jln Subang Utama. If one were to travel from Persiaran Kuala Selangor at Kg Baru Hicom towards Jln Subang Utama, the left side of TP Subang Utama belongs to MBSA (where all the large-scale factories are), while the right parcel is under MPSJ jurisdiction.
:)

[pcyeoh]

Hey guys, be firm on what we want. Look at the end results. If we do not want any incoming traffic into USJ flowing from the Shah Alam side, the flyover should not be built at all cost. If the developer there wants to sue MPSJ, that is not our problem. We must understand that situation changes. Therefore, if the Subang Heights residents want to visit USJ so badly, I suggest that their current road that leads them to nowhere now should lead them directly into the KESAS Highway and they can exit at Jalan Kewajipan. If they want to eat Klang Bak Kut Teh, they can make a U turn at Kewajipan flyover. There should also be a ingoing road into Subang Heights for them to go home directly after the Bak Kut Teh session. Why so special for them? Because they are rich. Their two access roads would still be much cheaper than the flyover. But if they have spare millions to throw around, then build the flyover similar to those we see along the LDP at the TESCO stretch that allows them to go and return either way but not straight into USJ 3A,B,C and D. Now, if they complain that the two access roads will bring external traffic into their community, then they have rasa the chilli padi for this will happen to the USJ community should the flyover be built.

[jasonbhlee]

taking an example of the double rail tracking project..tenders were given but still if someone has enough say....he can still call off the project. I remember someoone telling the crowd that in USJ, there is no such thing as a done deal as long as the residents of USJ have yet to say their piece? Am i right?
In yesterday's meeting, although it was supposed to be a domestic issues affecting residents of USJ3ABCD with MPSJ and UEP, the place was swarmed with speculators from Subang Heights. They got wind of a meeting involving us and dato...so to speak. In the middle of our meeting, we were rudely interupted by a big lady repreenting Subang Heights. She just opened the door, walked straight to dato Lee (who was charing the meeting) and in a way told him off. This lady, as dato explain is the Wanita MCA chief of Sunway who bougght a piece of land in Subang heights......now you see? We are fighting a bunch of politicians ......they have the money, political clout, legal expertise and now it is up to us USJ folks to respond!

[rusman]

Now, if they complain that the two access roads will bring external traffic into their community, then they have rasa the chilli padi for this will happen to the USJ community should the flyover be built.

They have a ready traffic light in Persiaran SUbang Hitech to access their gated community. They are anticipating high volume traffic. Kalau rasa chilli pun, air sudah sedia ada. :rolleyes:

[rusman]

Thank you for your reply Dato'. To address the memory lapse problem, we will document all our communication with each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:09 PM
To: 'Rusman Amir '
Subject: An extract from Dato Lee Hwa Beng web site

Dear Raz,

Either you have a bad memory or me.

In the potluck session in May 2005 and the meeting last week, I had always said the link has been approved by MPSJ same time as MPSJ approved USJ 3abcd....
Pls do not get me wrong. This was a private email I sent to Dato but since he published his reply in his web site instead of replying directly to me, it is only fair I publish it for all USJ residents.

[rusman]

In the middle of our meeting, we were rudely interupted by a big lady repreenting Subang Heights. She just opened the door, walked straight to dato Lee (who was charing the meeting) and in a way told him off. This lady, as dato explain is the Wanita MCA chief of Sunway who bougght a piece of land in Subang heights......
...the conversation goes something like 'why you SMS me to come and then don't let our people to come-in'....

...and I got it all on tape...

[JoeJaffar]

The alternate proposal to interconnect Batu 3 and SJ thru SS19 is not a good idea. There are no main through road in SS19, and as it is, the residents there have limited exit points.

If the intention is to not allow any interconnections between Batu 3 and SJ/USJ, then let the proposed 'new KESAS slip road' be the utmost proposal for both parties.

[rocky_usj]

I propose that a new KESAS slip road should be the ONLY solution. We SJ/USJ people have suffered enough all these traffic problems.

[pcyeoh]

The alternate proposal to interconnect Batu 3 and SJ thru SS19 is not a good idea. There are no main through road in SS19, and as it is, the residents there have limited exit points.

If the intention is to not allow any interconnections between Batu 3 and SJ/USJ, then let the proposed 'new KESAS slip road' be the utmost proposal for both parties.
You are right to agree on the two facts. By suggesting that their road link to SS 19, we are falling into their trap and reinforcing the Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) attitude. Our poor folks in SS 19 have been bearing the congestion there created by the 2 schools and by now would have reached their noses. One more car will drown them all.

If we all agree there should not be anymore road bringing traffic into SJ/USJ until the intra community traffic congestion is solved satisfactorily and based on this rule of thumb, we should be sending a clear message to the planners that it doesn't matter where it enters, it is a NO NO. Just to share with you that during the discussion on the Selangor Structure Plan, it is agreeable that one should not spend more than 15 minutes to get out into the Federal Highway. At the moment it take me 30 - 40 minutes to get from USJ 12 to the Federal Highway. Hopefully with the completion of all roadworks on the NPE in April 2006, it will reduce to 15 minutes.

[MOYSC]

Hey guys, be firm on what we want. Look at the end results. If we do not want any incoming traffic into USJ flowing from the Shah Alam side, the flyover should not be built at all cost.

PC, we would certainly like to be firm, ie. NO more new incoming traffic into USJ. However, there must be contingency plans at hand, in case there isn't a choice other than to propose an alternative route.

In the 1st hearing, MPSJ had clearly indicated the need to connect their areas which are currently separated by KESAS, ie. Subang Hi-Tech, Subang Utama with USJ. We do not know how critical this is for them, as it might be just another lame excuse...

[jasonbhlee]

I have to concur with pcyeoh, ie we have to say 'NO' at all cost! Providing alternatives at this point in time is like saying...'worse come to worse......". Let the hearing starts with a loud 'NO'....

[aroki]

pc - i agree with the approach and the direction.Good job man. a firm NO and we should say this to the face of our ADUN, MPSJ and we should all be consistent. No to any link to usj or sj...be it usj or ss19 or SS18 or usj 2. keep it up pc and rusman...we need outlet from usj&sj and one of them should be into Kesas at SS19 area..outlet.

ps - we are all ganging up here...common area.that is good...it is the issues. :)

[Firefly]

Stop it at all cost. If necessary to have an injunction, go ahead. But get some big shot to back it else you will end up fighting a lost cause.

To the people living around there, report the slighest sign of developtment. MPSJ may approve the ground works by signing over the responsibility to LLM.

Then LLM will just bulldoze thru with no care or concern for the public or residence. Dato Gazali of LLM have said, LLM is not bound by The Town and Country planning Act. :eek:

[orchipalar]

Err...NO! NO! NO!...NO! to building any road access projects which would only bring MORE freaking freeloading traffic into this already own-traffic cramped community... :mad:

Ahem...now having one or two more access roads easing the USJ/SJ's congested traffic OUT of it...would definitely be welcomed...Acha! :)

we all agree there should not be anymore road bringing traffic into SJ/USJ until the intra community traffic congestion is solved satisfactorily and based on this rule of thumb, we should be sending a clear message to the planners that it doesn't matter where it enters, it is a NO NO.

Err...PCYeoh...keep up with it please...Orchi can really like listening to it... :)

[BRAVO]

he you all ppl for once somthing is being done to reduce the jams in usj & suband and dont tell that all the usj3abc are blind there is a road that links to the kesas that has a dead end but just need to join in to the kesas and this is mention when to all the brand new buyers from sime uep..the second and third hand no nothin about this ....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....

[rusman]

he you all ppl for once somthing is being done to reduce the jams in usj & suband and dont tell that all the usj3abc are blind there is a road that links to the kesas that has a dead end but just need to join in to the kesas and this is mention when to all the brand new buyers from sime uep..the second and third hand no nothin about this ....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[orchipalar]

he you all ppl for once somthing is being done to reduce the jams in usj & suband and dont tell that all the usj3abc are blind there is a road that links to the kesas that has a dead end but just need to join in to the kesas and this is mention when to all the brand new buyers from sime uep..the second and third hand no nothin about this ....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....

Err...excuse Orchi...BRAVO:)...you are staying in that area?...can you please repeat again...n make it more simpler...what you are trying to say here?:confused:

[aroki]

he you all ppl for once somthing is being done to reduce the jams in usj & suband and dont tell that all the usj3abc are blind there is a road that links to the kesas that has a dead end but just need to join in to the kesas and this is mention when to all the brand new buyers from sime uep..the second and third hand no nothin about this ....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....
thanks for your views...it will be counted, unfortunately the majority here are against it cos we feel otherwise. BTW the parks are a target for development and flyoever of NPE is infront of the SS19 houses..can you plse help to campaign against this 2 issues and we do like to cycle infront of our houses and jog too..what is wrong with that..is there a law against that?

[jasonbhlee]

Bet Bravo doesn't even know where the flyover links to........

[tan_r]

....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....
And I STRONGLY suggest that you go find out more about this flyover and how many of your fellow usj3a residents feel as STRONGLY as you and STRONGLY support you.

[tan_r]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Honestly, I do not see anything funny in that posting. It borders pure st****ity. Raz, is there something you know that we don't?

[tan_r]

... It borders pure st****ity.
I withdraw this inappropriate remark. :o And rephrase it a little. Bravo, could you kindly explain to us how this flyover (assuming you know where it is) is going to help improve the current traffic mess?

[JoeJaffar]

If indeed Bravo is a resident of USJ3A, he should also be heard. Irrespective of his opinion that the flyover or link will help the traffic in and out of USJ. He may not be the only one in USJ3A-D in support of that link.

But it is sad to see there are some others who are not in favor of the link pooh-pooh-ing Bravo's opinion, just because Bravo's stand is not the same as them.

While we ask for the ADUN, MPSJ or MBSA to act in the interest of the community as a whole, those who are fighting for or against a cause should also act in the interest of the community. And not take things personally.

[orchipalar]

Err...very early in this thread alone...ahem...Orchi sudah mentioned...that the link may provide some benefits to few people using it eventually to get to work at Subang Hi-Tech...or around that vicinity of Batu 3 Shah Alam...

Ahem...otherthan that...Orchi also felt what Orchi has learnt this many moons before...'si sen siau wo...wan chen tar wo(few sacrifices...for the benefits of ALL)...'

Err...so hear him out we shall...n give him/her the equal benefit of doubts...but Orchi hopes to remind them few...ahem...to be 'the champions' instead...for the good of the whole community of USJ/SJ... n with it...their sacrifices would NOT go unnoticed...thus be appreciated by ALL...TQ :)

[bobkee]

Folks,

Here's something that the Sri Petaling folks are doing about their own little elevated highway predicament. They built a website at :

http://www.sripetaling.net/

and looks like they have engaged a pretty well thought out media strategy. Something that we can learn from perhaps?

More news at http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/39748

Cheers,

[tan_r]

... is the Wanita MCA chief of Sunway who bougght a piece of land in Subang heights......
According to my information, she isn't.

[rusman]

Keep our eye on the ball, pls. Be focused. We need more alternatives / suggestions to the flyover link. We cannot just object to it. We must give alternatives and at the same time address the needs of USJ residents (first, of course) and then Subang Heights residents.

Both want access out of their township. Where can it be bulit? More ideas pls. USJRA taking note. Time is running out. The public hearing can be called at any time and we must present our best case.

Do not let 'minor noise' blur our objective. We want a public hearing; Dato Lee has promised us one, publicly. Now let's prepare for it.

[pcyeoh]

he you all ppl for once somthing is being done to reduce the jams in usj & suband and dont tell that all the usj3abc are blind there is a road that links to the kesas that has a dead end but just need to join in to the kesas and this is mention when to all the brand new buyers from sime uep..the second and third hand no nothin about this ....i strongly think this is a road that would ease the jams and strongly support this plan....the housing area is not that badly effected the flyover is not at the front of the house.....common grow up ....wanna cycle or jog go to the park or to the mpsj stadium.....

I respect your view point but I am afraid it is rather short sighted. This afternoon after submitting the USJRA objection on the Selangor Structure Plan, I took the trouble to visit Subang Heights and the surrounding areas. The SH community is very very impressive. If you are in there, it is another world by itself. It is posh all the way including the road which is not black but red. Tar looks too cheap skate so they use I don't know what material that looks cool. The surrounding wall looks expensive and the guards do not look friendly. In fact they were watching me very closely. Unfortunately, I did not bring my camera along as it was an unplanned visit. If you were there with me, you would understand why they want to get connected to USJ. It is because all around this posh community are the factories and the kampong houses and the atrocious roads full of pot holes and rubbish strewn everywhere. I don't think there is any nice restaurant around nor drinking holes. If I pay nearly RM 1 million to build a bungalow there (cost of land about RM 75 per sq feet) I wouldn't want to go through this unsightly scene everytime I leave my house.

I spent 30 minutes studying and scouting the area there and found an alternative solution which can be a win win situation. By all means, let them have the flyover to gain access to USJ. And since theirs is a gated community, no other traffic will pass through Subang Heights if they bother to realign their gate. This means that the flyover will be EXCLUSIVE to Subang Heights residents. Afterall, there are only 300 lots there and surely our community can absorb say about 600-900 cars and nice cars too. But the question is "Can they control the usage of the flyover and make sure that the gated community does not open a floodgate to a FREE FOR ALL situation?"

Bravo, you must pay a visit to this Shah Alam area from Subang Hitech to the HICOM and count and weigh the traffic there. Most of the way, my car was sandwiched between heavy trucks. Don't put your last ringgit on MPSJ to stop all heavy vehicles from using the proposed flyover to get over to USJ. They can't even do a simple job at our Jalan Usaha for the past 2-3 years. Anyway, it took me 40 minutes to crawl back to USJ without using the tolled road. Many of those vehicles I saw on the roads are potential short cutters who will not hesitate to use the proposed flyover, if it were built to proceed to Puchong and southwards. Just see for yourself and you will change your mind. If you really stay in USJ 3A, can you imagine thousands of vehicles passing by throughout the day and night and since there is a traffic light next to your exit, this bottle neck is going to choke the traffic there to such an extent that you can't even get onto the road. If you want to take a tour and see what I have seen, we will be very happy to take you around. But first you must be prepared to sit in my Proton Wira before I return my car to Proton. I heard people are starting to do that but ah that is another story.

[rusman]

I spent 30 minutes studying and scouting the area there and found an alternative solution which can be a win win situation. By all means, let them have the flyover to gain access to USJ. And since theirs is a gated community, no other traffic will pass through Subang Heights if they bother to realign their gate. This means that the flyover will be EXCLUSIVE to Subang Heights residents. Afterall, there are only 300 lots there and surely our community can absorb say about 600-900 cars and nice cars too. But the question is "Can they control the usage of the flyover and make sure that the gated community does not open a floodgate to a FREE FOR ALL situation?"

We have highlighted this suggestion in our Aug 22 meeting. Subang Heights residents are all agreeable. But on hindsight, I cannot agree because even if you build gantries, restrict access, etc it can all be removed by a stroke of the pen, especially when it is a public 4-lane highway and flyover. Subang Heights residents will not care because then they do not have to bear the cost of maintaining the closed portion of the public highway.

Further, after the Subang Heights community is a SIme UEP development, then the flyover link. This Sime UEP development will connect Pinggiran USJ1 and the Ebor industrial estate.

When we have the traffic and volume, more people will lobby the Batu Tiga ADUN to open the public road/highway for them to take a short cut to Puchong. The best solution is to make an exit down to KESAS from Persiaran Subang Hitech. They want an access, that's an access. I do not see why they need to connect to USJ, other than to 'tumpang' our address.

[pcyeoh]

Err...er.. back to pole position again. But Rusman, why do they want to tumpang our address? Isn't their more canggih, mutu, prestasi dan keungulan macam Dunhill dan bukan Rough Rider like ours?

[rusman]

I spent 30 minutes studying and scouting the area there...
Not long enough. Next time call us, we will take you to a tour of Pinggiran USJ1, the Ebor Industrial Estate (many new factories coming up), Subang Hitech and the upcoming highcost condos adjacent to CSR. All these areas are interconnected.

Those empty lands adjacent to Subang Heights are for high rise apartments, access between the proposed flyover link and Subang Heights.

You should go there during lunch hour and see the traffic in that area. Then go to Ebor toll interchange and see the queue, and then go to Batu Tiga toll at Federal Highway.

The flyover is definitely not a link merely to connect 2 communities separated by the KESAS highway.

[ivanhow]

..
What is MPSJ's rational for objecting to the proposal? :confused:
Ask the residents of SH, "Why they are so keen on the link?"
Is it to:
a) get into USJ? or
b) get into USJ so that they can access to the SAE?

And if it is the former (a), ask them how they are doing it now. (So, they want a shortcut?) And, SimeUEP promised them a shortcut into USJ... :rolleyes:
And if it is the latter (b), ask them why wud they want to get into USJ (jam) :confused: .
Cud this be a reason for "a) get into USJ?"


...It is because all around this posh community are the factories and the kampong houses and the atrocious roads full of pot holes and rubbish strewn everywhere. I don't think there is any nice restaurant around nor drinking holes. If I pay nearly RM 1 million to build a bungalow there (cost of land about RM 75 per sq feet) I wouldn't want to go through this unsightly scene everytime I leave my house.

OR cud it be

Arent there schools at the other end ?that the residents there need to get across to schools in USJ such as the one at USJ12? (a valid point?)
Err... residents of USJ, If there is a strong reason for the link, such as the "school", and that pointed out by PCYeoh above, what is your counter?
And Joe has a point... "Isn't there a school on the other (SH) side?"

So, if MPSJ still sticks to the link as a "must", then what is the counter or mitigating factor?

Good to know what the residents at SH actually want out of the link. Wud they be happy with oni exit to SAE (Kesas)? Let's hear from them.

[pcyeoh]

Good point Ivan. The best is to get the answers from the horses' mouth. But alas, in the stable I went to just now, there aren't many horses to form a valid opinion. But MPSJ can do us a good favour. Send the questionnaire to those purchasers and ask them to respond. Even if Joe Gomez is right, do you think it is a valid point to build the link. The SMK USJ 12 and the SK USJ 12 have been asking for a RM 500,000 pedestrian bridge across Jalan Tujuan for years but do you see any built? Talk about the multi million ringgit flyover.

[ivanhow]

Folks,

Here's something that the Sri Petaling folks are doing about their own little elevated highway predicament. They built a website at :

http://www.sripetaling.net/


Wow... :eek: izin this is too close for comfort :confused:
:D Pros and cons of an elevated highway :D ... Datz why itz important to know where the highways and expressways have been planned and the SSP2020 (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8505&page=2&pp=15) is such a document.

[MOYSC]

why do they want to tumpang our address? Isn't their more canggih, mutu, prestasi dan keungulan macam Dunhill dan bukan Rough Rider like ours?

Most likely reasons to why Subang Heights would want to connect to USJ :

1) USJ is already a well-known affluent township -nevermind if it did not look as 'posh' as on the other side;
2) Public ammenities are plentiful;
3) The 'famous' USJ Taipan commercial center can be easily accesible - for convenience;
4) Lots more food options - chinese eateries especially!
(Noticed that majority of SH speculators were chinese)
5) Choices of schools in USJ are abundant - no schools on the other side;
6) Most new housing projects would want to be associated with a developed & matured township for property appreciation;
7) Don't want to be associated with Shah Alam (you know why!);
8) Don't want to have such an unsightly access, ie. a tunnel surrounded by factories & bushes;
9) Don't want to share access with heavy vehicles, when they can use a back access into USJ;
10) Want an alternative in/out access to ease traffic clog-up within Subang Hi-Tech areas;
11) Emergency coverage, ie. police, fire - very poor!
12) No 4D, Magnum, BToto, etc...

Most of these reasons are also applicable to Kota Kemuning (another Shah Alam area) - by just saying 5-10mins away from SJ/USJ, does attract lots of house purchasers! :)

[jasonbhlee]

And since theirs is a gated community, no other traffic will pass through Subang Heights if they bother to realign their gate. This means that the flyover will be EXCLUSIVE to Subang Heights residents. Afterall, there are only 300 lots there and surely our community can absorb say about 600-900 cars and nice cars too. But the question is "Can they control the usage of the flyover and make sure that the gated community does not open a floodgate to a FREE FOR ALL situation?"



The answer was provided by Dato Lee and Puan Umi during the first hearing, that it cannot be turned into a private road provided Subang Heights residents do the maintenance of the road themselves. If it is a private road it will be open to public as stated by LHB and Puan Umi.

[rusman]

Based on what was said by SH rep on Aug 22, they wanted the flyover link becasue it was stated in their brochure that there was a flyover link 'under construction'. If no flyover, they would not have bought the properties. No other reason stated. They conclude that the flyover will be built. It is a matter of when. And they were pressing Dato to give them an answer when.

At the moment, no purchasers have moved in, only bungalow lots, 150 of out 300 sold; hence these must be speculators.

When we highlighted access to KESAS as an alternative, they all kept quiet.

They don't really care about schools, amenities, etc; they just want to make a quick buck. They don't care about traffic jams, safety, other residents. Its all about capital appreciation. If you were there on Aug 22, this would be the only conclusion you would get from the hearing.

As one observer put it on Aug 22, it is now a case of the poor against the rich. I concur. Those who are in this against the flyover, better get ready to go litigation.

[rusman]

As individuals, you can cut and paste the template of letters I have posted here and then you can email to hwabeng1@streamyx.com, lohsengkok@kelanajaya.com and to umikalthum@mpsj.gov.my.

If you have a residents' association, write letters to them. Inform all your neighbors. This matter is not about USJ3ABCD alone, it affects all USJ residents.

In your capacity as individuals, pls email them the letters that I have posted in this thread until a public hearing is called. Dato Lee has promised one for all USJ residents before Sep 30 to be chaired by the new YDP.

Keep reminding them that we are waiting for the hearing. Do not allow any opportunities for the issue to be swept under the carpet.

[ivanhow]

1) USJ is already a well-known affluent township -nevermind if it did not look as 'posh' as on the other side;
2) Public ammenities are plentiful;
3) The 'famous' USJ Taipan commercial center can be easily accesible - for convenience;
4) Lots more food options - chinese eateries especially!
(Noticed that majority of SH speculators were chinese)
5) Choices of schools in USJ are abundant - no schools on the other side;
6) Most new housing projects would want to be associated with a developed & matured township for property appreciation;
7) Don't want to be associated with Shah Alam (you know why!);
8) Don't want to have such an unsightly access, ie. a tunnel surrounded by factories & bushes;
9) Don't want to share access with heavy vehicles, when they can use a back access into USJ;
10) Want an alternative in/out access to ease traffic clog-up within Subang Hi-Tech areas;
11) Emergency coverage, ie. police, fire - very poor!
12) No 4D, Magnum, BToto, etc...


Err MOYSC, :) Good try!
Let's say these are the actual reasons given by the residents... of SH.
Then, ask them again, "So, does that mean that it is critical to have a link from Subang Heights to USJ3abcd? :) "
and, "Why not use the SAE (Kesas) as access (,wudn it b better)? :) "
Still, I don't find these reasons compelling to justify a link. The SAE (Kesas) wud serve them just as well if not better.

[ivanhow]

Based on what was said by SH rep on Aug 22, they wanted the flyover link becasue it was stated in their brochure that there was a flyover link 'under construction'. If no flyover, they would not have bought the properties. No other reason stated. They conclude that the flyover will be built. It is a matter of when. And they were pressing Dato to give them an answer when.
This is a tuf 1...


When we highlighted access to KESAS as an alternative, they all kept quiet.
They know these one just smack them all on the face... But they just want something... an access (no less), right?

They don't really care about schools, amenities, etc; they just want to make a quick buck. They don't care about traffic jams, safety, other residents. Its all about capital appreciation. If you were there on Aug 22, this would be the only conclusion you would get from the hearing.

As one observer put it on Aug 22, it is now a case of the poor against the rich. I concur. Those who are in this against the flyover, better get ready to go litigation.Anyone here prepared for litigation:) or, will this whole exercise be futile?

Tell MPSJ, that the residents here have no real reason to have an access to SH. It is to the advantage of SH residents, and speculators. To ensure that the link does not become a floodgate of traffic into SJ/USJ, it is necessary to have an access to SAE out for SH as a minimum (no less).
And, so if the link is bulldozed by MPSJ, then MPSJ must ensure that:-
(a) no industrial traffic must be allowed to use the link (by limiting the height of vehicles allowed to pass), and,
(b) traffic from SH must have exit access to SAE (Kesas) at a minumum.
These two conditions shud at least help to reduce unwanted traffic from SH & Shah Alam into USJ via the link. It is then MPSJ's responsibility to work the details with KESAS. It is also up to MPSJ to provide an "in" access from SAE to SH.
Maybe a third condition,
(c) MPSJ must ensure that a max speed limit of ... say 30kph is allowed for that stretch ...cud be added.

[MOYSC]

critical to have a link from Subang Heights to USJ3abcd? Why not use the SAE (Kesas) as access (,wudn it b better)?

Like it or not, whether SH residents are only investors or soon-to-be residents, every investor and/or house-owner would like their property to be linked to an established & developed township, either to make a 'quick buck' (resale) or for convenience purposes.

Linking to KESAS is a very good choice, but then again, it is a matter of associating with USJ directly via the flyover, instead of one road/highway away from USJ.

Of course, like what Rusman had said, it is possible that the SH speculators were only arguing based on what was promised by their developer, but I am make to believe that this is just an excuse for their real intention - property gains! :mad:

What better way to demand for the link other than a black & white promise made to them by their developer???

Like what PC has said earlier, either we insist entirely NO connection at all or when all else fails, propose the alternative link via Tmn Perindustrian Subang to UEP Industrial Park. :)

[jasonbhlee]

are we suggesting a 'crooked bridge' like the one Tun M proposed for the JB-Singapore link? Diverting traffic to TP industrial estate will eventually bring them into Pesiaran Tujuan as well. I think Ivanhow's suggestion is most practical...diverting SH to Kesas. and if they want to come into USJ, just turn off at Summit.

[pcyeoh]

What better way to demand for the link other than a black & white promise made to them by their developer???

If they bothered to read the fine print, in fact too fine that they will need magnifying glasses on ALL sales brochures promoting housing schemes, there is a clause that says "The developer can vary or replace as seem fit ....... or the picture is merely an illustration ..... to be a little kasar "what you see is not exactly what you will be getting" how can they choose to hide this fact and say that they bought their properties based on this flyover. If anything is proposed, pending or anticipated, they are not like the sun that surely rises from the East. Likewise those who bought properties in USJ 3A,B,C and D would similarly argue that they bought the properties as Sime UEP in their sales brochure did not disclose the fact that there is going to be a flyover. Sime UEP knows that access to Shah Alam especially Subang Hitech which is actually Low-tech in terms of road infrsatructures is no big deal for people who want to invest in USJ properties. It looks like both of them were cordinating among themselves very well how to hookwink all buyers of the two housing schemes. This shows that with well cordinated effort "You can fool all people all the time" but of course with a lttle help from the authorities.

[jasonbhlee]

According to my information, she isn't.

If indeed she isn't, then she must be their new ADUN. In this case we are actually fighting a bunch of MCA speculators who are pressing very hard for this link. There seems to be a lot of political patronage here.

[tan_r]

... In this case we are actually fighting a bunch of MCA speculators who are pressing very hard for this link. There seems to be a lot of political patronage here.
Let's not make assumptions or speculations unless we are very sure becos' this might just provide the opportunity for the opposition to derail our efforts.

[Firefly]

Folks,

Here's something that the Sri Petaling folks are doing about their own little elevated highway predicament. They built a website at :

http://www.sripetaling.net/



This is really interesting. Firefly heard that the 2nd link to the Federal Highway to be done by Ahmad Zaki construction will be an Elevated Highway pass the houses and Subang Medical Center. Will the residences there suffer the same faith? :eek:

[rusman]

Is the Subang Heights area under MPSJ or MBSA?

Is you go there, you will see lots of MPSJ signages. But if you look at the Selangor Masterplan, the proposed flyover link is exactly at the border of MPSJ and MBSA, then the border follows the gas pipeline, separating SS19 and Batu Tiga.

USJRA to note this. :rolleyes:

[MOYSC]

Is the Subang Heights area under MPSJ or MBSA?


Just found out from Selat Makmur that Subang Heights is under MPSJ. One of their buyer's address quoted was, No. ?, Jln SH 3/?, Subang Jaya.

Likewise, if more info are required, follow this link :

http://www.berjayaproperties.com/projectshowcase.htm#

The following map was found at Berjaya's website (similiar to the brochure) :

http://www.berjayaproperties.com/images/subangheights/subangheights_map.gif

Funny thing...it is indicated 'Proposed link road to Persiaran Tujuan' in the website. Hv anyone seen their sales brochure?

[MOYSC]

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Wow! with that kind of pricing, no wonder they have to link to Subang Jaya/USJ, or else...who wants to buy bungalows surrounded by factories?

[jasonbhlee]

The illustration posted by MOYSC is very clear. You can see that vehicles from Batu Tiga near Central Sugar will go into Subang Heights and eit via the proposed link to pesiaran Tujuan. Now that's what i call TRAFFIC! Those wanting to shortcut to Puchong, instead of going through Shah Alam then via Proton will now have a fantastic alternative.......via Pesiaran Tujuan. This is exactly what we protested for that Tesco link at USJ1...same argument.

[ivanhow]

are we suggesting a 'crooked bridge' like the one Tun M proposed for the JB-Singapore link? Diverting traffic to TP industrial estate will eventually bring them into Pesiaran Tujuan as well. I think Ivanhow's suggestion is most practical...diverting SH to Kesas. and if they want to come into USJ, just turn off at Summit.
Err... jasonbhlee, :) TQ for being so generose :p ... Actually it is not just my suggestion. There are still many more in this community that agrees to this suggestion... Err.. perhaps we shud take a poll to get a feel. :D

[ivanhow]

Here we go... to the polls (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=9144) :)

[tan_r]

The following is the lyrics from the POWER OF ONE, the theme song from Pokemon 2000, I think. I posted it on another related thread. Enjoy and think about what you can do to make a difference.

Life can be a challenge
Life can seem impossible
It's never easy when so much
Is on the line

But you can make a diff'rence
With courage, you can set things right
The gift to dream and make dreams real
Is yours and mine

CHORUS A
The power of one
Begins with believing
It starts in the heart then flows through the soul
And changes the world
Imagine how life will be
When we stand in unity
Each of us holds the key
To the power of one

Each of us is chosen
There's a mission just for you
Just look inside; you'd be surprised
What you can do

REPEAT CHORUS A

BRIDGE
And, one by one
We can make the world
A much better place

CHORUS B
The power of one
Begins with believing
It starts in the heart then flows through the soul
And changes the world
Imagine how life will be
When we stand in unity
Each of us holds the key
It's inside of you and me
Each of us holds the key
To the power of one

The power of one

[rusman]

Just for you info, on Sep 18 morning, there will be a gotong royong in USJ3C playground, near the proposed flyover link. More details will be announced soon.

[MOYSC]

Just for you info, on Sep 18 morning, there will be a gotong royong in USJ3C playground, near the proposed flyover link. More details will be announced soon.

Are all other USJ residents invited besides those living in USJ3ABCD???

[rusman]

Are all other USJ residents invited besides those living in USJ3ABCD???
Yes, stay tuned for more details... ;)

[tan_r]

Brought up this matter with JKP 7 during our monthly meeting on 1/9/2005 & pleased to inform that the committee will take the stand with the majority.

[orchipalar]

Err...thanks to tan_r:)...n folks over at JKP Zon 7...for lending the additional supports... :)

[rusman]

The public hearing to be chaired by YDP is confirmed on Sep 28 at 3pm in MPSJ.

Dato Lee called me to inform that he will allow only 2 residents' rep from USJ3ABCD and Subang Heights. I told him that I disagree and that this issue affects all USJ residents, not just USJ3ABCD.

Dear residents, pls send email to Dato Lee to request that this public hearing be open to all residents. His email is at hwabeng1@streamyx.com.
:mad:

[rusman]

Dear USJ residents,

Pls copy and paste the following and email to Dato Lee Hwa Beng:

Dato Lee,

We found out from the grapevine that there will be a public hearing on Sep 28 at 3pm in MPSJ on the proposed flyover link. We also understand that only 2 residents' reps will be allowed to attend the hearing.

As this issue affects all USJ residents, we demand that a proper public hearing be held so that all USJ residents can come to give their views. Presence in numbers does not mean that we are right. What it means is that USJ residents feel strongly about this proposed link and that a few unaffected people cannot be allowed to make decisions that willl affect all USJ residents specifically.

As our wakil rakyat and MPSJ councillor, pls call for a public hearing and redeem yourself from this fiasco.

(Your name)
(Location)

Dear residents, pls disseminate this email to all USJ residents and then send an email to Dato Lee to request that this public hearing be open to all residents. His email is at hwabeng1@streamyx.com. Otherwise you may send him a text message at 012-2203600.

[tan_r]

The public hearing to be chaired by YDP is confirmed on Sep 28 at 3pm in MPSJ. ... to inform that he will allow only 2 residents' rep from USJ3ABCD and Subang Heights....
WE WANT A PUBLIC HEARING, not a private meeting!

[aroki]

WE WANT A PUBLIC HEARING, not a private meeting!
can the resident leaders take the lead on this and inform mpsj and our adun. lead means from the front, not behind. ;) :eek:

[rusman]

can the resident leaders take the lead on this and inform mpsj and our adun. lead means from the front, not behind. ;) :eek:
Don't be misled. There are only 150 purchasers from Subang Heights, around 400 residents in USJ3ABCD.

In the last Aug 29 meeting which was for USJ3ABCD residents only, the Subang Heights speculators came (even though not invited) and outnumbered us again.

If there is a 'public hearing', their voice is drown against the protests from USJ residents. They know this. So why are they given equal footing on this matter (ie 2 from Subang Heights and 2 from USJ3ABCD). The financial needs of 150 speculators surely cannot override the social welfare of over 10,000 USJ residents.

:mad:

[tan_r]

...In the last Aug 29 meeting which was for USJ3ABCD residents only, the Subang Heights speculators came (even though not invited) and outnumbered us again....
We can't trust them again, can we?

[rusman]

Dato Lee called me to inform that he will allow only 2 residents' rep from USJ3ABCD and Subang Heights. I told him that I disagree and that this issue affects all USJ residents, not just USJ3ABCD.
I do not want to lock horns with my ADUN but now Dato Lee is now denying about having only 2 residents' reps. Then Dato', why did you tell me that numbers are not important? If not 2 reps, then how many residents can attend? Is it therefore a 'public hearing' now?

In the Aug 29 meeting with USJ3ABCD residents, you told us that it will be necessary to have the hearing at 3K since a lot of residents are expected to come. Why is the meeting now held in MPSJ?

Why are you now asking the residents to write-in to the YDP?

[Joe Gomez]

I do not want to lock horns with my ADUN but now Dato Lee is now denying about having only 2 residents' reps. Then Dato', why did you tell me that numbers are not important? If not 2 reps, then how many residents can attend? Is it therefore a 'public hearing' now?
In the Aug 29 meeting with USJ3ABCD residents, you told us that it will be necessary to have the hearing at 3K since a lot of residents are expected to come. Why is the meeting now held in MPSJ?
Why are you now asking the residents to write-in to the YDP?rusman, our ADUN is a toothless paper tiger. Have you had dealings with him before i.e. where you had to protest and he was on the receving end ? I can see that you are keeping the pressure on him. Dont let up the pressure. His attempt to dictate the game rules i.e how many people ? Where to meet ? In the presence of the press or not ? Or any other nonsense, is his way of showing his authority & sense of importance to the man-on-the-street .... how u wish he showed this to the right people / parties i.e. those buffoons that made this decision in the first place.
Dont get me wrong.
I am not a rabble rouser.
I do not belong to any political party.
But this country is cursed with elected reps that are prone to push the public around.
The public has to stand its ground.
Keep up the good work.
What the ultimate outcome will be is not important.
But make sure that those responsible for this mess ( especially our reps ) are called to account.
All the best.

[Joe Gomez]

can the resident leaders take the lead on this and inform mpsj and our adun. lead means from the front, not behind. ;) :eek:Can the Most Highly Respected, Exalted & Worthy of Respect members of the JKP help to prevail upon these big shots to ensure that it wont become a private tête-à-tête ?

[bobkee]

Originally posted at http://syedshahir.blogsome.com/2005/09/08/pkr-kelana-jaya-bantah-jejambat-batu-3/. I was informed by one of Syed Shahir's assistants.

<u><b>PKR Kelana Jaya Bantah Jejambat Batu 3</b></u>

<b>Parti Keadilan Rakyat Kelana Jaya</b> membantah pembinaan jejambat Batu Tiga yang disokong oleh Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya (MPSJ) dan ADUN Subang Jaya, YB Dato Lee Hwa Beng. Jejambat yang menghubungkan Batu Tiga dan Persiaran Tujuan akan dibina itu akan memberi banyak kesan buruk kepada penduduk sekitar USJ terutamanya USJ 3. Jejambat itu akan melalui USJ 3 ABCD, USJ 3, USJ 4, dan USJ 12.

Jejambat itu akan menimbulkan kesesakan jalanraya yang teruk, seteruk lencongan Summit. Cuma yang membezakannya adalah jejambat ini akan dibina bersebelahan dengan sekolah USJ 12. Jejambat itu akan membawa pencemaran udara dan bunyi yang teruk kepada penduduk sekitar.

Pada Mei 2005, ADUN Subang Jaya, Dato Lee Hwa Beng mengadakan pertemuan dengan Pengerusi Jawatankuasa Penduduk Zon 2, pegawai polis USJ 8 dan En Raymond Tan (USJ 18) yang mengatakan bahawa beliau tidak menyetujui pembinaan jejambat itu. Tetapi, pada 22 Ogos lalu, beliau sekali lagi membuat pertemuan dengan sekumpulan penduduk dari Subang Height bersama wakil dari MPSJ dan Sime UEP. Kumpulan yang hadir itu telah membuat undian dan menyokong pembinaan jejambat tersebut.

Untuk pengetahuan saudara/i, pembinaan jejambat itu tidak berlandaskan kepada Akta Pembangunan Bandar mahupun Agenda Tempatan 21. Subang Heights mempunyai bakal penduduk seramai 300 lot manakala pembinaan jejambat itu akan memberi kesan buruk kepada 776 buah rumah di sekitar USJ 3ABCD dan 10,000 rumah yang lainnya di seluruh USJ.

<b>Pelajari Dari Pengalaman Lalu</b>

Jangan biarkan pihak berkuasa tempatan menebang pokok dan kemudiannya memberitahu perbuatannya tidak betul. Jangan sengaja membina Taman Milenium hanya memberi alasan “sudah budgetedlah” .

Anda mempunyai hak untuk katakan <b>TIDAK</b>.

Hantarkan bantahan anda ke </quote>PKR Kelana Jaya (editor@keadilanrakyat.org).

[orchipalar]

Err...should anyone be kind...n be able to stop this flyover nonsense once n for all...Orchi would kiss his/her hand n vote for him/her...should he/she is nominated to run for ADUN for SubangJaya in the next election...

Ahem...having said that...whilst Orchi is still alive n kicking also...should anyone be as kind...instrumental n be able to get the Balai USJ8...materialized within the next 1 year or so...Orchi would kneel n kiss his/her bare foot...

[bobkee]

LOL .. Orchi .. what we really need is to get back an elected local government. So how ah? Demo ke?

[orchipalar]

Err...dear Bob:)...it would be an ultimate remedy...but it could be far fetch though...

Ahem...for now...Orchi thinks we should address the ill fated community matters in SJ/USJ...one at a time at best...amacham? :)

[bobkee]

yep .. at least start with a strong RA .. then we kick buntut

[rusman]

Feel strongly about the flyover??

Come to USJ3ABCD gotong royong at USJ3C playground on Sunday, Sep 18 at around 10am to listen to the free anti-denggi talk by Dr Suriani and then hear what our ADUN and MP have to say about the flyover.

There will be free nasi lemak for breakfast for those planting trees (natural sound barrier), free vitagen drinks, lucky draw, potluck food and drinks. There may even be a clown to entertain the children.

You can test drive the new Proton car & register for Telekom services.

Meet your police patrolmen from USJ8 Balai. Get to know your JKPs and MPSJ councillors.

[rusman]

An extract from Dato Lee web page:

Sep 8, 2005 ... Q&A: No to flyover connecting USJ3ABCD reply to Azwarie Mustapha

-----Original Message-----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:25 PM
To: 'Azwarie Mustapha'
Subject: RE: NO to flyover connecting USJ3ABCD to Subang Heights

Dear Azwarie Mustapha,

I think somebody irresponsible had been feeding you wrong info.

I agree I did say I objected to such link. I also said many times including the potluck do that I attended last year that the link was suggested by me and has been approved by MPSJ already.

I also said on hindsight that it is not a good idea and hence my suggestion to ask all of you to object. That is why I arranged the meeting 2 weeks ago.

FYI, YDP has agreed to chair a hearing on 28th September 2005 at 3.00 pm at MPSJ. Do come and give your opinion.

What have I done wrong?

Bye.

Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: Azwarie Mustapha
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:34 PM
To: hwabeng1@streamyx
Subject: Re: NO to flyover connecting USJ3ABCD to Subang Heights

Dear Datuk Lee,

For a start, I wasn't told about an already approved plan about this link when I bought my house, just like many other residents in our area.

Then we have this serious concern on the deterioration of the already poor traffic condition along the main stretch when the link is built. The narrow and winding two lanes road that cuts through USJ3 ABCD area is ill-prepared to cope with the ballooning traffic (what more with the USJ 12 school famous traffic jam). The responsible entities who have agreed on this must consider this important issue as it concerns not only the peace and comfort of the residents here but the also the safety of our loved ones.

If I remember correctly, you yourself said that you were against this project and asked us to lobby against it on our last pot-luck event. I am quite disillusioned with how this matter has developed into now.

Regards,
Azwarie Mustapha

----- Original Message -----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx
To: azwarie
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: NO to flyover connecting USJ3ABCD to Subang Heights

Dear Azwarie bin Mustapha,

For your info, the link bridge was approved as a condition on both developers when their projects were approved. Hence your argument does not hold water as the buyers of Subang Heights bought knowing that there is a link.

What can MPSJ do? What can I do? I have always told this fact to your RA Chairman, En Ruzman. It was me who told him about this project and it was me that organized the meeting. Remember, Sime UEP has a piece of undeveloped property near Subang Heights. It is to their advantage to have this link too.

Anyway, I had requested the new YDP to call for a public hearing. Only he has the power, not me.

Bye.

Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

[rusman]

FYI, YDP has agreed to chair a hearing on 28th September 2005 at 3.00 pm at MPSJ. Do come and give your opinion.

Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

OK, so now IT IS a 'public hearing'. Dear USJ residents, let's make your presence felt. It does not matter that it will be held at MPSJ meeting room.

Come one, come all. Stand up and be counted!

[rusman]

;)


Dear Rusman Zaihan,

I shall check with YDP on a bigger place. The Bilik Kenanga can seat around 100 persons. Would it be enough?

I am worried to change venue as it will delay the meeting. The 3K hall or SS15 hall are lousy on acoustic.

Bye.


Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

[pcyeoh]

;)

Dear Rusman Zaihan,

I shall check with YDP on a bigger place. The Bilik Kenanga can seat around 100 persons. Would it be enough?

I am worried to change venue as it will delay the meeting. The 3K hall or SS15 hall are lousy on acoustic.

Bye.

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

Now that we have the number of participants increased to 100, what is the use if it is held on a Wednesday 3.00pm which is a working day. What is stopping Subang Heights from sending 99 people to fill up all the seats and leaving one for Rusman?

I liken this battle to the story of the rabbit (sorry to use this furry animal cos they remind me of the Playmates, my favourite) and the dog. When you see a dog chasing a rabbit, you will notice that the rabbit will outrun the dog. Why? Because the rabbit is running for its life. As for the dog, it is his favourite pass time. Even if it does get the rabbit, it is still OK for him. Like wise I expect the USJ 3ABCD residents to fight like the rabbit. Don't let others fight the battle for you. I am sure this message is communicated to the Subang Heights property purchasers too by its leader. If they don't turn up in full force, their RM 500K investment on a piece of vacant land will go down the sewer for without the flyover, they might face difficulty in making big bucks. So both party are status quo. The ball is at our feet now. Instead of kicking a fuss, let us kick the ball to our advantage.

[rusman]

Like wise I expect the USJ 3ABCD residents to fight like the rabbit. Don't let others fight the battle for you.
Not rabbit lah... give us more credit than that. Maybe a wolf in sheep's clothing...
:D

[rusman]

----- Original Message -----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx
To: 'Chua Jin Nee'
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: New Highway Link to Batu Tiga Subang Height

Dear Mdm Chua,

The link will be for the public.

I agree it will create heavier traffic in USJ.

A public hearing has been fixed in MPSJ at 3.00pm on 28.9.2005. I shall bring up your views and objections.

Bye.


Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: Chua Jin Nee [mailto:jnchua@tractors.com.my]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:55 AM
To: hwabeng1@streamyx
Subject: Re: New Highway Link to Batu Tiga Subang Height

Good Morning Dato Lee,

Is this Flyover mainly for resident Subang Height connecting to USJ? I am not sure how this Subang Height look like but if it is for all the rest of Batu Tiga residents, then we will have a very "BIG PROBLEM" because with both Primary & Secondary school at USJ 12, the traffic is very choctic. It may take us more than an hour to come out from our house.

Pls. take this into consideration and your kind attention is much appreicated.

Thanks & Regards


Mdm.Chua

[tan_r]

The following was posted in another thread before and I repost it here again for ALL residents of USJ.

When Hitler attacked the Jews, I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant Church, and there was nobody left to be concerned.

- Martin Niemoller, 1945 (Stuttgart Statement of Guilt)

Friends, I urge all of you to stand up and be counted because such absurdities will happen again and again. And the next time, it could happen right in front of your doorstep! Look at Sri Petaling now! I also heard of a similar story in Sentul. And a few years down the road, didn't someone say that the LRT is coming to SJ & USJ? What about the other projects we have no knowledge of?

If the above is worth worrying about, then you should be at the public hearing on the 28th. Even if you have to sacrifice and take time off from work.

[MOYSC]

Dear Nina Moy,

I think En Rusman and I miscommunicated on this issue. When he asked me to rent a bigger hall to accommodate more people, I said numbers do not count. He need not have to bring so many people. I said representatives of residents would be enough.

Anyway, the existing venue is Bilik Kenanga where it can accommodate around 100 persons. I do not think we can find a bigger place as 3K Complex and SS15's hall are bad for acoustic.

The September 28th is in a way a public hearing under LA21. Under existing rule, there is no requirement to call a public hearing. This is because the link was approved at the same time your housing project was approved.

A public hearing under the Town & Planning Act is only required if something extra that was not approved earlier is added to an area.

Anyway, keep on objecting. We might still be able to torpedo the link. However, it is quite tough as Subang Heights buyers can sue MPSJ as they bought their lots knowing that MPSJ had approved the link.


Bye.

Yours In Service,
Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya
(via email)

[MOYSC]

Dear Dato Lee Hwa Beng,

Thank you for allowing more people to sit in for the 28th September 2005 hearing on the above issue. However, with only a hundred (100) seats limited and having this public hearing in the middle of a working day, are these the best arrangements that you could afford for USJ/Subang residents?

You mentioned numerous times that the above linked was approved at the same time when USJ3ABCD residents bought their houses. However, there is no prove or evidence that the link was approved then. Besides, even if the link had been approved earlier (which was without knowledge of USJ3ABCD nor USJ/Subang residents), I trust that there are still ways to stop it. Isn't SAFETY, HEALTH & TRAFFIC CONGESTION threat to nearby residents, SM & SK USJ 12 students and road users of Persiaran/Jalan Tujuan reasons are VALID enough to OPPOSE the flyover link? Would you rather risk lives for the sake of supporting a link which would most probably only benefit property speculation?

I would like to highlight to you that the above-mentioned link was meant to be a 'proposed' project earlier. You can go to Berjaya's website to confirm my finding. I've also attached the relevant page for your information and perusal. Please correct me if I am wrong - the word 'proposed link' DO NOT legally confirm that it will be built nor does it indicate that it has been pre-approved earlier. Here are the links to Selat Makmur/Berjaya's website on Subang Heights development :

http://www.berjayaproperties.com/projectlisting_bungalow.htm or
http://www.berjayaproperties.com/projectshowcase.htm


Please listen to our plight as we have all the valid reasons to go against this flyover project. We strongly acknowledge that you are our leader to represent us all in USJ/Subang. I hereby urge you to firmly lead us with responsibility and fairness. YOU can make a CHANGE and make a DIFFERENCE to our lives if YOU WANT TO!


Kind regards,

Nina Moy

[orchipalar]

The following was posted in another thread before and I repost it here again for ALL residents of USJ.

When Hitler attacked the Jews, I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant Church, and there was nobody left to be concerned.

- Martin Niemoller, 1945 (Stuttgart Statement of Guilt)

Friends, I urge all of you to stand up and be counted because such absurdities will happen again and again. And the next time, it could happen right in front of your doorstep! Look at Sri Petaling now! I also heard of a similar story in Sentul. And a few years down the road, didn't someone say that the LRT is coming to SJ & USJ? What about the other projects we have no knowledge of?

If the above is worth worrying about, then you should be at the public hearing on the 28th. Even if you have to sacrifice and take time off from work.

Err...dear Tan_R:)...a concerned n affected resident...is volunteering to BARK!...if he has to... n YELL!...Bloody MURDER!...if he needs to...over the possibility of seeing that freaking so called...err...FlyOver project being undertaken...for the freaking benefit of few...whilst affecting n risking the lives of plenty in this common community...

Ahem...come 28th Sept 2005...he has promised Orchi that...he would show up ON Time...as usual... :)

[satigue]

Rusman,
how can we get the news across all USJ 3ABCD residents about this link? i believe many residents r still not aware of it. maybe can set up a banner just like our gotong royong banner placed at the entrance of USJ 3ABCD? or photocopy leaflets to be distributed to residents?
thanks.

[pcyeoh]

Dear Nina Moy,

I think En Rusman and I miscommunicated on this issue. When he asked me to rent a bigger hall to accommodate more people, I said numbers do not count. He need not have to bring so many people. I said representatives of residents would be enough.

Anyway, the existing venue is Bilik Kenanga where it can accommodate around 100 persons. I do not think we can find a bigger place as 3K Complex and SS15's hall are bad for acoustic.

I do not agree with the statement "Numbers do not count." It does and it depends on what do we want to achieve with the number game. For me in this case, a hundred will be fine. Let us stay focus and from now onwards, go get the numbers. It will be very embarrasing if on that day a miserable 25 people turn up.

I suggest that we print out a commitment form to get the people who can turn up and get them sign the commitment form. No point saying coming and then don't show up and tell grandmother stories and Rusman has to hide under somebody' sarong. Even the ostrich has a better way out.

Also to work around the number game, from now on go on a signature campaign. Get everybody in USJ 3ABCD to sign up whether for or against. The representative would then bring them to the meeting and say "Due to the limitation of space and also the inappropriate timing, we would want to show our presence and our strong objection on paper.... blah blah blah.." The rest of the USJ community can lend their their support in the form of the letter by the respective USJRA, Rukun Tetangga, JKP, Senior Citizen Club, Neighbourbour Watches etc etc.

Appoint key person to speak focussing on given points. Be organised and be early to take up the vantage places in the room. If you are sitting in a far flank corner and out of sight, you can be Lim Kit Siang but nobody will listen to you even when you have a valid point.

Meantime, the Taknak Flyover committee get cracking to do some research work. Since this is a undercover work, we shall not show them the colour of our underwear or the thinness of our G string here.

[Joe Gomez]

Dear Dato Lee Hwa Beng,

.................................

I would like to highlight to you that the above-mentioned link was meant to be a 'proposed' project earlier. You can go to Berjaya's website to confirm my finding. I've also attached the relevant page for your information and perusal. Please correct me if I am wrong - the word 'proposed link' DO NOT legally confirm that it will be built nor does it indicate that it has been pre-approved earlier. ................Nina MoyWay to go girl. U got him by his family jewels ...... :D :D
This is the double talk from representatives ( elected or otherwise ) that all ordinary citizens have to be on the look out for.

[rusman]

Rusman,
how can we get the news across all USJ 3ABCD residents about this link? i believe many residents r still not aware of it. maybe can set up a banner just like our gotong royong banner placed at the entrance of USJ 3ABCD? or photocopy leaflets to be distributed to residents?
thanks.
On your side, send emails to as many USJ neighbors as possible. Tell them to turn up on Sep 28 in MPSJ. If this issue is important to you, then you should do anything to come to the public hearing. I am unable to reveal all our plans in this web forum.

Meanwhile PLS DO come to our gotong royong on Sep 18, ada banyak surprise including lucky draws, free food, free vitagens, etc... All USJ residents are welcomed.

Remember Star Wars: 'do not underestimate the dark side of the force...'

[rusman]

Dear Nina Moy,

I think En Rusman and I miscommunicated on this issue. When he asked me to rent a bigger hall to accommodate more people, I said numbers do not count. He need not have to bring so many people. I said representatives of residents would be enough.
I am not stupid or deaf. I understood clearly what was said to me. Further his correspondences to me was not denied. He said only 2 residents from each side.

It does not matter now. He said that we can still torpedo the flyover, he said should should object to the flyover (see his past emails). TQ Dato, we will take your cue and take it you will support your voters and act responsibly as MPSJ councillor to protect your voters' social and safety interests.

[rusman]

... and Rusman has to hide under somebody' sarong. Even the ostrich has a better way out.

I am a wolf in sheep's clothing. Not any wolf, but the wolf from the USJ3A retention pond!

Further, I do not hide in someone's sarong. I will reveal the colour of their underwear before I do that!

[aroki]

Dear Nina Moy,

I think En Rusman and I miscommunicated on this issue. When he asked me to rent a bigger hall to accommodate more people, I said numbers do not count. He need not have to bring so many people. I said representatives of residents would be enough.

Do we really believe it is not a numbers game...if there is no show of numbers, what might be said is that it only the minority protesting. So it is better to be safe than sorry...show up in numbers. As far as our ADUN is concern, showing up in numbers is best cos it shows how many vote he can expect to loose if this things is approved. :p

pcyeoh - plselah we don't need to know about what kind of underwear you prefer..G-string and all...lost all appetite today. ;) :p :D