Proposed Batu Tiga Flyover linking Persiaran Tujuan at USJ3ABCD

[jasonbhlee]

Teeque,
you can said anything you like, we still lose. Look at the RM30M 3C complex? Is MPSJ care about our "feedback" all these years. They still build and waste our money anyway. Ha, Ha, Ha.

They only listen to the politickus who put them there. All money talk lah.

Hope you are not implying that corruption is rampant in the local council that it will be difficult for them not to build the flyover. Is this what you meant? maybe I interprete it wrongly..........

[pcyeoh]

Teeque,
you can said anything you like, we still lose. Look at the RM30M 3C complex? Is MPSJ care about our "feedback" all these years. They still build and waste our money anyway. Ha, Ha, Ha.

They only listen to the politickus who put them there. All money talk lah.
It is people like you who have this defeatist attitude that allows the local authorities to get away with a crime. If those people who turned up for the hearing about 80 of them have the same attitude, the flyover will be built despite that proper procedures are not adhered to. I like people who fight a cause with the slogan 'over my dead body' and meant it. The first thing I will do is send a condolence to their wives but he will be remembered for fighting a good fight eg the Tiannenmen (hope spelling is right) Square demo way back in 1991.

[tan_r]

It is people like you who have this defeatist attitude that allows the local authorities to get away with a crime.
And then, blame others except themselves for all the screw-ups. Of course, it is never their fault!

[eileenc]

I think we all need to take it one step at a time ... firstly, each of us need to be community conscious ... and socially-oriented.

from there we take it on ourselves (and not just depend on the efforts bya bunch of regularly vocal USJ residents) to constantly voice out to the powers-that-be that some things are just not proper/right ... and supported with logical/reasonable justifications ... and as a guarantee, follow up by lodging the issues in writing to the MPSJ -- this will tell them that we are no walk-overs. It's one form of check-and-balance.

Naturally, I believe we can be effective if we work in an intelligent and non-confrontational manner. We should portray outselves as in sincere partnership to help the authorities to maintain a conducive township (of course, without selling out on the principles of the matter/issue)

If we always voice out negatively, take confrontational approaches or adopt a defeatist attitude, we can grumble till the cows come home and we'll never penetrate the divide on the other side...

If you had attended the public hearing yesterday, I believe that the folks who presented and rationalised with reasonable logic did achieve something. Nothing by leaps and bounds, but definitely, an impact of sorts.... and conveyed that message that Subang Jaya residents are no pushovers for "pulling wool over the eyes".

And having said that, I believe that we should not fear being confrontational and opine that protests/public hearings/et all are a waste of time (as expressed by someone yesterday at the public hearing). Yes, it IS time-consuming ... but worth the effort if we are all committed to go all the way with 100% conviction. Being lukewarm/half-hearted will not get us anywhere.

At the end of the day, the attendees at yesterday's (one-sided) public hearing were unanimous in saying it's STILL NO TO THE PROPOSED FLYOVER!!!

[jasonbhlee]

Can someone (who is a subscriber to malaysiakini) be kind enough to upload the report by Andrew Ong over here? Thanks.

[bobkee]

Contentious flyover: 3,000 sign in protest
Andrew Ong, Jan 13, 06 12:38pm
Malaysiakini (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/45672)

More than 3,000 protest signatures against the construction of a proposed flyover linking USJ 3 and Batu 3 Shah Alam, has been submitted to the Subang Jaya Municipality Council (MPSJ).

The two-inch thick bound copy was handed to MPSJ chief Mohd Arif Abdul Rahman by USJ residents association (Usjra) president P Jeyandren (left) at a public hearing over the issue yesterday.

The signatures were collected by the residents through a door-to-door campaign, in front of schools and online.

Jeyandran was among those in a team assigned to collect signatures in front of Sekolah Rendah USJ 11. He said the team had explained to parents how the proposed flyover will contribute to the traffic congestion in front of the school.

“They were very receptive and filled in their IC numbers and also stated their locality,” he said.

The proposed flyover across the Kesas Highway will link Persiaran Setia in USJ to Subang Heights (developed by Berjaya Group subsidiary Selat Makmur Sdn Bhd ) and USJ Heights (developed by Sime UEP) in an area close to Batu 3, Shah Alam.

Residents are also fearful that heavy vehicles from the industrial zone close to the area will use the flyover to enter Subang Jaya to bypass tollbooths at the various highways.

Developer slammed

During the hearing, tempers flared as many residents were not properly informed about the agenda for the meeting.

The meeting, chaired by Subang Jaya assemblyman Lee Hwa Beng, was attended by almost 70 residents who angrily took turns to voice out against the flyover to the two representatives from developers Sime UEP.

While some reminded the conglomerate about corporate social responsibility, others wanted to know if there were alternative ways to disperse traffic from USJ, Subang Jaya, Subang Heights and USJ Heights.

USJ Heights developers Sime UEP and Subang Heights developers Berjaya Group subsidiary Selat Makmur Sdn Bhd are sharing the cost of the proposed flyover.

Sime UEP planning and land administration chief Haznida Mahmud could not answer any of the queries. He claimed that he was merely under orders to ‘listen’.

Traffic woes

At a press conference after the hearing, Lee who is also a MPSJ councillor, said the flyover is not feasible now, even though it was proposed 10 years ago.

“In hindsight, it was a bad idea,” said Lee, adding that Subang Jaya is already cursed with a serious traffic congestion problem.

Asked if developers should be responsible in informing house owners about nearby development projects, Mohd Arif said developers have a certain degree of responsibility.

“In terms of (town) planning, the responsibility lies on the town council. That we cannot blame the developers,” he said.

Points raised during the public hearing will be compiled in a report to Selangor Menteri Besar Dr Mohd Khir Toyo, who has the final say.

[Teeque]

......They only listen to the politickus who put them there. All money talk lah....


...All these are money talk, if you are "in-control" you can do anything you like.

mybill/billy....ur walking a fine line here. You're implying some improprieties here and this is libellous on your part.
I am part of those "in-control" but i dont do or say anything i like (as you implied). I only do and say what is right. Its not abt winning and losing. Its abt right-ing a wrong. cheers...

[orchipalar]

Contentious flyover: 3,000 sign in protest
Andrew Ong, Jan 13, 06 12:38pm
Malaysiakini (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/45672)

“In terms of (town) planning, the responsibility lies on the town council. That we cannot blame the developers,” he said.

Points raised during the public hearing will be compiled in a report to Selangor Menteri Besar Dr Mohd Khir Toyo, who has the final say.Err...Orchi doesn't believe that he has the final say...rightfully he serves the the rakyat jelata...ahem...so we the residents of USJ n Subang Jaya would have the final say here...

Btw...we are NOT blaming just any developers...we are blaming the greedy n irresponsible ones plus their machais...

[Teeque]

So let's hope this time, the local council is responsible enough to throw the developer's application out of the window for non-compliance of statutory laws and appropriate guidelines. It doesnt even hv to go all the way to the MB. Lets see how strong is this YDP's will and conscience against these greedy developers.

[orchipalar]

Err...the new issue here again...the freaking proposed flyover is said to link USJ 3ABCD to the other end of it...which lands in the same piece of property by Lengkap Teratai(SimeUEP)...n thereafter linking to the freaking Subang Heights development...n the mother of all mess in Subang HiTech Industrial park...n with the other industrial(Central Sugar Mills) n residential community of Batu Tiga on that part of Shah Alam.

IT was the same freaking piece of land(as with USJ 3ABCD)...BUT it is now divided by KESAS expressway...

Ahem...a resident's punya little logic n argument there said...SimeUEP would NOT have just let KESAS cut n pass thru it FREELY...

Err...logically SimeUEP as the owner of the whole piece of the freaking land at the time...would have been duly compensated WELL enough for SimeUEP to give parts of it away...ahem...which would again logically cover the 'losses' suffered by SimeUEP...ending up having a separate piece of what?...about a little over 100 acres of oil palm plantation across the KESAS eventually which is what everybody sees now...

Gotten greedy or NOT?

n logical thinking would again be that...with a bridge or flyover in their freaking mind...they could still have it with the BEST of all options for 'future' development OPEN...n not that quite interrupted so to speak...on that freaking piece of plantation land...with they said in the public hearing...MORE medium n medium low costs apartments...

BUT then again...logically a question comes to mind also...should they or should they NOT inform the future or potential house buyers of USJ 3ABCD about their planning for the freaking bridge or flyover...???

Ahem...by the fact that Lengkap Teratai has publicly claimed at the public hearing that..."they had already obtained prior approval(?) from the State development board for the freaking flyover...longtime ago?"...it would then be logical also that...they would have intentionally hidden the facts n eluded the many house buyers in USJ 3ABCD...or possibly affecting the house buyers in TP(taman perindustrian)...n those in the vicinity as well. :rolleyes:

Err...wouldn't that be amounting to cheating? :mad:

[Teeque]

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This is probably too late for anything but just for all to know. This is a Google Earth picture. Subang Heights is hidden by passing clouds but you can still see other areas ard it.

Look at the area highlighted in the yellow box on the left of the Kesas Highway where the proposed Subang Heights, USJ Heights, Pinggiran USJ and the Subang Hi-Tech area is. That area is larger than the area of SS 19, USJ 3, 4, and part of 12 combined. If the traffic on the left of Kesas were to cross that tiny Batu 3 Link bridge over to USJ side, it surely would be disastrous to the traffic on P. Setia and P. Tujuan. Imagine that equally huge amount of traffic jamming up USJ roads! :eek:
That amt of traffic should be channeled into a major highway instead.

[Teeque]

Another Google Earth image where, as stated in the Town and Country Planning Act, within 200m of the proposed project site, only 3 of the estimated 170 households were informed by MPSJ of the said project. Why were residents not notified? And of the 3, only 1 had received notification to attend the Public Hearing last Jan 12 and that also thru a third party, the Secretary of USJRA. What gives?

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[pcyeoh]

Metro Star
Thursday January 19, 2006


Flyover ‘a link to more woes’

RESIDENTS of USJ3ABCD do not want a flyover bridge that will link Batu Tiga in Shah Alam to their neighbourhoods.

They claim that the proposed flyover will cause congestion to Persiaran Setia that has already a heavy traffic flow currently.

They are also concerned about the safety of students. The road to schools in USJ 12 will also be congested.

USJ residents’ association president P. Jayan said residents of USJ 3ABCD would be the ones most affected due to the close proximity of the proposed link.

“Apart from safety and traffic issues, we are opposing the development because of environmental concerns,'' he said. “One is the noise pollution. The homes at USJ 3D will only be 15m to 18m away from the proposed link,'' he added.

Jayan said the association wanted the authorities to conduct careful studies before making a decision.

“As it is, we have to make do with noise and dust pollution from the Elite and Kesas highways.''

JKP Zone 3 chairman P.C. Yeoh agreed.

“We do not want another RM20mil flyover that will turn into a costly failure as it will only aggravate traffic woes, especially in USJ 3,'' he said.

Residents voiced their dissatisfaction at a public hearing hosted by Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) and chaired by its president Datuk Mohd Arif Abdul Rahman and Subang Jaya assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng recently.

The residents even came up with an alternative solution. They suggested that a direct exit be made from Subang Heights/USJ Heights to Kesas highway as motorists can still enter USJ and Subang Jaya or go on to Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, KLIA, Sunway, and Klang.

“This would be feasible rather than to have people going into USJ 3ABCD/USJ 4/USJ 12 and adding on to the jams along Persiaran Tujuan / Jalan Tujuan or Persiaran Kewajipan / Jalan Kewajipan,” said USJ 3ABCD pro-tem chairman Rusman Zaihan.

Lee said the hearing was the third on the issue.

“In 1995 or 1996, MPSJ had wanted to build a bridge to link Shah Alam and Subang but the whole of USJ3B had yet to be developed at the time.

“Now that USJ is fully-developed, we find that a flyover is no longer a feasible idea,'' he added.

Mohd Arif said the residents' concerns were valid, but added that Sime UEP had its own justification too.

“I will prepare a paper, putting across the views together with reasons brought up by residents and submit it to the state government in two weeks.

“The Mentri Besar will then decide on the matter. ''

Sime UEP representatives who were present at the hearing made no comments.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/19/central/13141712&sec=central

[pcyeoh]

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In the Line of Fire. second from the right is Sime UEP planning and land administration chief Haznida Mahmud.
He is sitting up there just to listen and not explain.

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What is the difference between 20 metres and 200 metres? 180 metres? Wrong. The difference is whether MPSJ Planning Dept Director En Mohd Isa interprets it correctly or not as to regards whether you will be invited to object to the flyover application as provided by the Town and Country Planning Act. This has been the bone of contention posed by Tony Quek of USJ 3A. His good friend who was sitting next to him Mr. Tan Kee How received the invitation whereas he is staying next door did not. Tony was trying to understand what is the rationale why some people are invited whereas others were not. When the Director of Planning said that he would need to countercheck, up jump Raymond Tan commenting “How come the Director of Planning who have more than 20 years experience not even sure about the law.”

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This new wing of the MPSJ which has a theatrette that can comfortably sits 112 people. It was nearly full. Some 80 residents turned up and quite a number of familiar faces. Nevertheless, the YDP of MPSJ praised the crowd for taking their time off from their work while many others said that this is a whitewash meeting when at the end of the meeting our views would not mean anything to the authority.

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This Gweilo who also chases trucks along Jalan Usaha settled down in USJ under the program “Malaysia My Second Home” (MM2H) He showed great concern about those heavy trucks from the industrial areas in Shah Alam. He has received a letter from Petronas confirming that the pipeline can withstand a weight of up to 20 tons without any problem. He claimed that he has seen many 30-40 tonners trucks plying this area. Patrick Tan, who once work in the oil and gas industry for many years made a passionate plea to MPSJ to be fully aware that if there should be a rapture in the pipeline, the whole residential area will literally blow up. “Mind you, gas fires are not ordinary fires.” He then cited the gas explosion incident in Mexico where it was a catastrophe. A similar pipeline runs under the road at the Taman Perindustrian UEP where the proposed flyover will bring in the traffic.
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Theresa Thong who incidentally the Deputy Vice President of JKP Zon 2 poses this question. Which does MPSJ believe in “Convergent or Divergent of traffic system in the present USJ. She said that the traffic infra here should focus on taking traffic away from here rather the traffic convergenting to here. She said “Our infrastructure must be world’s class and this can only be achieved by a well planned development plan. Orchi at this stage stood up and criticized Sime UEP planning and land administration chief Haznida Mahmud for keeping his silence when the MPSJ agenda said that he was to do a presentation as to how SIME UEP intend to do on the 150 acres of ex plantation land. Haznida answered that his presence here is only to hear us out and not to speak. Under pressured by the YDP he was forced to volunteer some answers. He then said that SIME UEP intends to put up some 2,500 houses of mixed development and the link is important to provide access into USJ. A lady who said she works for MAS then asked him a sensitive question. “If Sime UEP has intended to build a flyover link at the proposed lot, then why build the USJ 3C and D houses so near to link? At this point Orchi stood up again and accused SIME UEP of profiteering at our expense.
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Mr. Jayan the President of USJRA presented to the YDP of MPSJ over 3,000 signatures in two volumes from various areas in Subang Jaya and USJ who objected to this link. Many of these signatures come from concerned parents living in the vicinity of the secondary and primary schools in USJ 12 where Persiaran Setia meets Jalan Tujuan in front of the school. We believe this place will have the worst traffic congestion.

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Mr. Tan Kee How, a resident in USJ 3C brought up an interesting point. He wants to see transparency. He was very concern over the manner the Director of Planning in MPSJ sent out notices to inform the residents about the proposal submitted by the developer. The notice lacked details eg what kind of development, the density of the development, the design of the flyover and any other accesses. He then took the trouble to personally seek this information from the Planning Dept which was unable to provide him the details. If an organization having a ISO 9001 certification is not transparent, how then do you expect people to comment on the project? The YDP himself was taken by surprise. He then said that he will embark to publish this information in his organization website so that everybody in SJ/USJ will get to know about projects that will affect them. One thumb up for the YDP.

[pcyeoh]

Theresa Thong who incidentally the Deputy Vice President of JKP Zon 2 poses this question. Which does MPSJ believe in “Convergent or Divergent of traffic system in the present USJ. She said that the traffic infra here should focus on taking traffic away from here rather the traffic convergenting to here.

Errata

In my haste to post here, there are two errors I need to rectify. Theresa Thong is the Deputy President of JKP Zon 1 which encompass the whole of Subang Jaya. She was there to lent her full support.

There is no such English word called 'convergenting.' It should be converging. Must have been thinking of converging to Genting too much to stay away from the horrendous traffic jams here in SJ/USJ these few days.

[pcyeoh]

PRESS STATEMENT released by USJRA on the 12 January 2006 after the public hearing


PROPOSED BATU 3-USJ 3 FLYOVER LINK: A TRAFFIC MESS IN THE MAKING
Subang Jaya, January 12, 2006:

The USJ Residents Association (USJRA), in concurrence with the USJ 3ABCD residents’ group and JKP Zones 1-3 & JKP Zone 7, wish to reiterate that it is OPPOSED to the proposed Batu 3 (Subang Heights & USJ Heights) - USJ 3 (via USJ3ABCD) flyover bridge as it will contribute to and aggravate the existing traffic congestion in USJ and Subang Jaya.

The above stand was conveyed to the Yang DiPertua Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya, Dato Mohd Arif bin Ab. Rahman at a public hearing held this morning. The USJ Residents Association also presented more than 3,000 signatures from residents opposed to the proposed flyover, collected through a door-to-door campaign and via an on-line petition site initiated solely to garner support against the controversial proposed flyover.

The USJRA agrees that future residents of Subang Heights/USJ Heights (both developments are presently uninhabited) – and any other neighbouring developments – should be entitled to good infrastructure access/routes to their properties/investments and does not wish to deny them of this right. However, the USJRA believes that solving the USJ/Subang Jaya township’s unending traffic woes calls for coordinated efforts on all parts of the township and involves the residents of all areas or zones. A broad perspective must be given to each zone’s intrinsic and unique infrastructural characteristics.

In this context, the USJRA maintains that a feasible solution to the stalemate over the opposing views on the proposed Batu 3–USJ 3 flyover lies in its suggestion of an alternative i.e. a direct exit from Subang Heights/USJ Heights to the Kesas Highway from where they can still enter into USJ and Subang Jaya or proceed to Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, the KLIA, Sunway and Klang with ease INSTEAD of coming into USJ3+ABCD/USJ4/USJ12 and getting into the infamous traffic jams along Persiaran Tujuan/Jalan Tujuan or Persiaran Kewajipan/Jalan Kewajipan.

With the proposed flyover, Persiaran Setia – which also services two schools – will be subject to an influx of heavier traffic than it currently handles. The safety of the schoolchildren population at the two USJ 12 schools will be at stake – even more so now that the two schools are operating double academic sessions. The danger of increased vehicular traffic far outweighs the perceived ease of traffic dispersal through this link, especially compromising the SAFETY of the schoolchildren since heavy traffic is being brought right to the doorstep of the schools.

The USJRA requests for careful considerations to be taken before any firm decision is made on the matter i.e. a comprehensive traffic/EIA study (if none had been previously conducted by the authorities) as the residential areas of USJ3A/B/C/D are currently bounded by the ELITE and KESAS highways. A good portion of houses there are already prone to excessive noise and dust pollution. Also, topographical characteristics of the entire USJ3, Taman Perindustrian, USJ 12 and USJ 4 region needs to be taken into consideration as it has undergone tremendous development.

An estimated RM300 million is currently being spent on road upgrades in Subang Jaya/USJ to alleviate present traffic woes. It would be a costly failure if a RM20 million proposed Batu 3–USJ 3 flyover is built as it will negate and aggravate whatever road improvements that are being done.

The USJRA represents the majority of USJ residents who are opposed to the project. Letters of support are in file, signed by the chairmen of JKP Zones 1 (comprising Subang Jaya SS 12 – SS 19), JKP Zone 2 (USJ 2 - 7), JKP Zone 3 (USJ 8 - 15), the PIBG chairmen of SMK USJ 12 and SK USJ 12, chairman of USJ3ABCD (complete with signatures by over 200 residents of USJ3ABCD), as well as the chairman of JKP Zone 7 (USJ16 - USJ 28).

The USJRA is committed to a win-win solution which will address the concerns of both residents from USJ and Subang Heights/USJ Heights (and other future developments). Our proposal for alternative access takes into consideration the consequences, and is not just based on convenience which everyone naturally wants. The receptiveness of the parties involved in seeking a feasible solution will be testimony of their sincerity and selfless attitude in seeking a win-win situation.

The Hon. Secretary
USJ Residents Association

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Note: Subang Heights (comprising 300-odd bungalow lots) is NOT the only development. Adjacent to Subang Heights is the planned Subang Mutiara and the yet-to-be launched USJ Heights.

[mmouse]

..... Mohd Arif said the residents' concerns were valid, but added that Sime UEP had its own justification too.....

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/19/central/13141712&sec=central[/QUOTE]

Sorry, may I know what is the justification of Sime UEP? Is it related to $$ of their surrounding projects?

[pcyeoh]

To be fair to landowners, they can submit anything and it is up to the authorities to accept, reject or compromise. SIME UEP's justification can be based on 'Right of Way" but this is very subjective because they have also an alternative route to discharge the traffic and that is via Subang Hi Tech. Here, if that access is very inconvenient in term of distance or terrain, then their chances will be good. If there is no other alternative, then it natural that the authority will have to approve it. The alternative is to discharge them into KESAS Highway without coming over to USJ 3ABCD and here we are most willing to work out a compromise with them. Morever this compromise is even cheaper and more convenient and a win win win for everybody. That is the reason why we are scratching our heads (some even went bald in doing so) why they are so adament in coming over here. Maybe if there is no link, it is ridiculous to call their housing scheme USJ Heights. May be it is for this reason that they are stubborn.

[MOYSC]

Metro Star
Thursday January 19, 2006


Flyover ‘a link to more woes’

RESIDENTS of USJ3ABCD do not want a flyover bridge that will link Batu Tiga in Shah Alam to their neighbourhoods.......

Sime UEP representatives who were present at the hearing made no comments.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/19/central/13141712&sec=central

Hmmm.... when one is silent or does not have comments (ie. Sime UEP representatives), isn't that always taken to mean consent or agreement to residents claim?

Sime UEP being a large corporate have done their duty as a responsible developer to hear residents grouses during the public hearing, but by just listening and no feedback given whatsoever, isn't that a one-way hearing?

Rightfully, if nothing was done to counter the residents concerns & suggestions during the hearing, it should mean that the developer had already agreed NOT to build the flyover, as it acknowledges the traffic, safety & environmental woes that it will bring if it is built. :rolleyes:

[MOYSC]

they have also an alternative route to discharge the traffic and that is via Subang Hi Tech. Here, if that access is very inconvenient in term of distance or terrain, then their chances will be good. If there is no other alternative, then it natural that the authority will have to approve it. The alternative is to discharge them into KESAS Highway without coming over to USJ 3ABCD and here we are most willing to work out a compromise with them.

USJ Heights/Subang Heights or any other future developments in its vicinity do already have two (2) existing in/out routes via subang Hi Tech area into Persiaran Jubli Perak (the main road leading into Federal H'way). If KESAS exit was included, it will be the 3rd route in/out.

As claimed by the various authorities/developers, this *** Heights area only has a low population density. If this claim was true, isn't the following requests contradicting?

(1) Why request for 3 in/out routes to cater for just a small & yet-to-be occupied community?

(2) Why propose to build a 4-lane main trunk road to link into USJ, if traffic volume was anticipated to be low from Batu Tiga side?

(3) Is this proposed link bridge really meant solve traffic woes in USJ or was it meant to converge traffic from USJ into a small bottleneck (a tunnel at Subang Hi Tech end)?

I'm speechless, if the decision makers insist to build that flyover ... I can only come to ONE conclusion.... Local councils MUST be elected - by hook or by crook!

[robertec]

....... That is the reason why we are scratching our heads (some even went bald in doing so) why they are so adament in coming over here. Maybe if there is no link, it is ridiculous to call their housing scheme USJ Heights. May be it is for this reason that they are stubborn.
I thought that this was abundantly clear from the very beginning.

The prestige of linking to SJ/USJ is just too great, so everyone tries.

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[balitan]

as residents of usj are very concerned about new HIGHWAYS linking into
usj area, please be reminded that there is another impending one coming
in from puchong via the chee wen school area too but till now not much
sound YET ........................

[Teeque]

Well, for those who had attended the hearing and now read these media reports, one can observe the YDP's inclination towards Sime UEP, a major developer in this township. The YDP seems to be the voice for Sime UEP so they dont need to say anything at all.

It is also easy for all to see that this proposed flyover is not in compliance of many statutes in the Town and Country Planning Act and also goes against the very core principles of Local Agenda 21, which MPSJ has adopted in this township. A prominent legal activist expert in local town planning laws has also confirmed the illegality and non-compliance of local laws of the proposed project and that Subang Jayans has a very strong case in opposing this said project.

Now, as the Star reported and reiterated by the YDP at the Hearing, he will prepare a report for submission to the MB for a decision. Then, it is interesting to note what he will write in his report, or rather, who will he give weightage to with respect to this flyover issue - the entire Subang Jaya residents' overwhelming objections or the self-interest of a for-profit corporate giant in Sime UEP?

[Teeque]

...As claimed by the various authorities/developers, this *** Heights area only has a low population density. If this claim was true, isn't the following requests contradicting?....

To answer this, look at the map I had attached here earlier for all to see in this post: http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=107059&postcount=761
Within the yellow box west of Kesas are the proposed Subang Heights, USJ Heights, Pinggiran USJ and Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park. And further west, not seen in the map, are the TP and Batu 3 Industrial Parks. Look at the statistics in the developments within the yellow box alone:

Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park - 400+ factory lots

Subang Heights - 800+ bungalow lots

Proposed USJ Heights - 2500+ mixed high end development (semi-D and bungalows)

Proposed Pinggiran USJ - 1000+ dsl houses

It does not take a genius to work out that these numbers are not low density at all as claimed. And it also does not take a rocket scientist to envisage that these developments will utilise this proposed flyover if built.

[orchipalar]

..... Mohd Arif said the residents' concerns were valid, but added that Sime UEP had its own justification too.....

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/19/central/13141712&sec=central

Sorry, may I know what is the justification of Sime UEP? Is it related to $$ of their surrounding projects?Err...what justification?...as Orchi had clearly brought the matter up at the freaking public hearing...that when Sime UEP's land was divided by KESAS Expressway concession on this end n ELITE(PLUS) on the other ends...they would have been fully compensated n PROFITTED by all means...

Having this freaking flyover would just add up to their land n property development values...ahem...in Orchi's book...that's profiteering already...!!!

Err...as Orchi recalls it is illegal...!...n in the freaking public hearing...by them disclosing the fact that...the bridge proposal "had been preapproved" way back in years ago...that fact was hidden from public knowledge...hence the buyers of their properties...were ALL FOOLED!!!...by them freaking feudal landlords n developers...which amounts to CHEATING...!!! :mad:

But...what the heck...we residents ain't got NO LEGAL REPRESENTATIONs...n GOT NOT FREAKING BALLS to work together...instead of just making freaking noise once after another...LEADERSHIP is half hearted...NO FREAKING FOLLOW UPS!...NO FREAKING COOPERATIONS...showing up LATE FOR almost ALL FORKING MEETINGS!!!

Ahem...go ahead...screw Orchi for saying that...!

[tan_r]

Oh ... u r back? How was Sudan? The weather must have been very hot! :) :D

[robertec]

Wow..... Kemosabe... had a little too much fire-water with Tonto kar?

Hot under the collar meh?

Take it easy man, get your wallet out and start counting the money that you have.
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[AllUrban]

Given the reappearance of the cracks on the MRR2 flyover, as well as the cracks on the support pillars for the KL-Ampang Highways, perhaps now is the time to call for a halt to all flyover construction and an inspection of every flyover in the country!

Seriously...this is scary

[starrnorth88]

I tell you, if they do not build the highway, the development will still go on and one day you will find you are stuck stuck stuck in your place.

This is like the SJ road out to Federal Highway. Can you imagine just a couple of years ago this is the only road out of SJ ?!!! We suffer and suffer and now finally we have so many going out (got to pay tloll ah for some).

[AllUrban]

I tell you, if they do not build the highway, the development will still go on and one day you will find you are stuck stuck stuck in your place.

This is like the SJ road out to Federal Highway. Can you imagine just a couple of years ago this is the only road out of SJ ?!!! We suffer and suffer and now finally we have so many going out (got to pay tloll ah for some).

I can certainly understand that...

I guess my main concern is why not consider a public transport expansion at the same time as road expansion?

It's well proven that adding more lanes just leads to more traffic...public transport such as LRT extension would be very effective in reducing traffic...look at the number of buses going to USJ from Subang Jaya and other places...the demand is there

Cheers, m

[Helme]

When I moved to TP1 in 1998, I didn’t know about the proposed USJ3ABCD. Maybe at that time I should have gathered support to oppose the development of that area. I’m sure residents of USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 didn’t know about the development of the TP1 area before 1998. Maybe they should have opposed then. And I continue to the developments in USJ1, USJ 16, USJ17, USJ 20…

Lets be neighbors. The flyover will definitely bring in more traffic to USJ, but it will also allow a much-required alternative road for those leaving USJ. Think about the morning traffic torture to our neighbors along USJ12/1, Jalan Usaha, Jalan Tujuan, USJ2/2, and also neighbors along SS19/1, SS19/2, SS18/1A, SS18/4, SS14, SS12 etc. The proposed alternative flyover will help to divert some traffic away from those areas. In this case, I don’t foresee the construction of ‘super’ flyovers like the ones built along NPE, specifically opposite Metropolitan College and SS19.

With or without the proposed flyover, traffic in USJ and Subang Jaya will only get worse. New shoplots / commercial buildings in USJ10, Mydin Hypermarket in USJ1, the construction of apartment/condos next to Carrefour and opposite SS19/1, to name a few. Look around for vacant land in USJ and Subang Jaya now, and come back in two to three years time..

As for public transport, honestly, how many USJ residents would want to sacrifice the comfort of getting stuck in traffic in our own vehicle over squeeze-standing in a bus?

Sime UEP has pledged contributions to build the flyover. So did the developer on the other side. Residents of Subang Heights should continue with their support and perhaps build the flyover on their side first. We will then witness a ‘scenic’ flyover – to remind us who’s who on the proposed ‘scenic’ bridge between Johore and Singapore.

Helme

[starrnorth88]

Yeah yeah public transport.

Actually a small little place like bandar sunway can have its own train, but this gigantic subang jaya / usj cannot. I believe one monorail running round the area will solve a lot of traffic problems (provided those running the monorail do not want to get their investment back and with a hugh profit immediately).

People go shopping at carrefour / subang parade, to banking in SS15, go makan at taipan, visit MPSJ monument - all servce by monorail.

Anyone know how to write a project paper and do cost calculation for monorail ? Also anyone got connection for approval ?

[lbn]

Yeah yeah public transport.

Actually a small little place like bandar sunway can have its own train, but this gigantic subang jaya / usj cannot. I believe one monorail running round the area will solve a lot of traffic problems (provided those running the monorail do not want to get their investment back and with a hugh profit immediately).

People go shopping at carrefour / subang parade, to banking in SS15, go makan at taipan, visit MPSJ monument - all servce by monorail.

Anyone know how to write a project paper and do cost calculation for monorail ? Also anyone got connection for approval ?
You hit the nail right on the head! Transport above the ground, plying round USJ/SJ to the KTM Kommuter/LRT stations would attract many commuters.

[xaviers]

Understand that it could ease traffic, if only Subang residents use it. Problem is that... there will be others from the "outside world" .. heavy vehicles(like the USJ 12 problem in another thread).

For all is said ...if it gets built there is no turning back.
If the traffic gets worse... are we going to "BOMB" it ?

[Helme]

Yeah yeah public transport.

Actually a small little place like bandar sunway can have its own train, but this gigantic subang jaya / usj cannot. I believe one monorail running round the area will solve a lot of traffic problems (provided those running the monorail do not want to get their investment back and with a hugh profit immediately).

People go shopping at carrefour / subang parade, to banking in SS15, go makan at taipan, visit MPSJ monument - all servce by monorail.

Anyone know how to write a project paper and do cost calculation for monorail ? Also anyone got connection for approval ?

The key phrase to your suggestion here is "lenghty return of investment plus less profit" or community service. The running of LRT system in KL, previously privatized is now in the hands of the government. I believe it is very unlikely something similar will get approval.
Helme

[pcyeoh]

When I moved to TP1 in 1998, I didn’t know about the proposed USJ3ABCD. Maybe at that time I should have gathered support to oppose the development of that area. I’m sure residents of USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 didn’t know about the development of the TP1 area before 1998. Maybe they should have opposed then. And I continue to the developments in USJ1, USJ 16, USJ17, USJ 20…

Lets be neighbors. The flyover will definitely bring in more traffic to USJ, but it will also allow a much-required alternative road for those leaving USJ. Think about the morning traffic torture to our neighbors along USJ12/1, Jalan Usaha, Jalan Tujuan, USJ2/2, and also neighbors along SS19/1, SS19/2, SS18/1A, SS18/4, SS14, SS12 etc. The proposed alternative flyover will help to divert some traffic away from those areas.
Helme
I understand you lives in TP 1 and it doesn't need a rocket scientist to tell me that you also work in either Subang Hitech or Shah Alam or else why are you so generous to invite traffic from the areas I mentioned to pass through your neighbourhood? Let us be frank and lay our cards out when we express our opinion or else what you say will be clouded by your self interest.

Quote here from the thread titled "Jalan Usaha issue" elsewhere.

Yesterday (13/2/06 ) record show :- Motorists from jalan tujuan heading to LDP using jalan usaha are 811 private cars, 59 heavy trucks & 152 motobikes within 7am to 8am. ( 1 hour only )
The above observation was done by MPSJ officers when they conducted the survey on 13 Feb 2006. I am personally shocked to see that the "outsider" traffic is that heavy. Imagine 13.5 cars, 1 big truck and 2.5 motorcycles passing by your house every minute during peak hours when that stretch of road is purely a residential road. I am sure you would not agree to such "trespasses" if you don't gain anything from it. Even if I do benefit from using the new flyover, it is only twice a day that I will be using it compared to the rest of the day when my family members will be facing hell with such traffic plying by.

From your first paragraph's comments, I notice that you are arguing for argument sake. You are also insinuating that those who are against the flyover should thank their lucky star that residents who moved here earlier than us did not object to our presence here. For your information, your argument here holds no water. We know what we are protesting about as we have done our homework. It is only the empty vessels that make the most noise. How sure are you that traffic from here will benefit from this new link when they end up over the other end in front of the two tunnels and the area is usually flooded when it pours and there is no Panjang to patch up the potholes there?

[orchipalar]

Lets be neighbors... you say...

Err...Helme:)...whatever happens elsewhere now in USJ(SS19/18/17 or Summit for instance) would NOT affect as much to you n the residents of USJ3ABCD...as compared with how it is affecting Orchi living n working in USJ2 n USJ1 respectively...

Ahem...having said that...your favoured 'flyover' on the other hand would definitely cause havoc to thousands of your immediate neighbours n those living around USJ3ABCD...the students n residents in USJ12/16/17/18/20/21 n USJ4/USJ3/USJ5/USJ6...n the stretch of Jalan Tujuan...all the way to the freaking NPE/Fed Highway...

Err...so lets be neighbourly...you say rightly....ahem...screw the 'flyover'.:rolleyes:

[Chermaine]

One late evening, me and husband came back from Kota Kemuning, instead of using the Summit exit we decided to try the back way, where bring us to USJ12 Jalan Usaha. we passed by all the industrial area and saw so many NYK Logistic company container (here only talking about 1 company and was late evening ok) speeding along the way .....my husband keep telling me look....if the flyover would to open these lorries would end up at USJ and Subang Jaya by using the flyover!

No kidding the way the driver speed on the small road! They flash you to give way, the tail you! Not 1 ok, but 1 after another..........!!!!!

Drive there and see it yourself!

[AllUrban]

The key phrase to your suggestion here is "lenghty return of investment plus less profit" or community service. The running of LRT system in KL, previously privatized is now in the hands of the government. I believe it is very unlikely something similar will get approval.
Helme

The government has learned slowly that public transit is not a profit making industry. It has to be subsidized and efficient and effective.

Unfortunately, poor transit planning makes public transit cost more and become less effective. This uses up more government money which means our money is wasted.

I have info that shows that the KL monorail cost about USD59 million per mile...because of lower construction costs (labour) and the fact that they skimped on some safety features like the emergency walkway between the rails. Even with those remarkably low costs, they still barely finished the monorail, and you can see where it goes.

Monorails only work when the system is a closed system, like the one at Sunway. That system cannot be expanded (although they have made branches for future connections to Setia Jaya KTM station and Lagoon Perdana).

The ideal route for a direct open public transit system would be the Jalan Jengka corridor (and the equivalent corridor in USJ) which would connect the KTM, Taipan, MPSJ building, etc. Pers. Kewajipan passes Summit and USJ9 but it is too congested and will only have more traffic in the future. Jl. Tujuan does not have enough development.

Unfortunately the Jengka corridor is cut off by the KESAS highway and the school complex in USJ2.

I figure that the best solution is to have a network of express buses/trams along the centre lanes of the main roads in Subang Jaya and USJ. The extra wide road dividers could be reconstructed so that the transit lanes would be restricted from the car traffic.

The road allowances are definitely wide enough. If the large dividers are removed or made smaller, the same number of lanes could be kept...or motorcycle lanes could be added.

When people see the buses/trams moving while they are stuck in jam, they will make the switch to public transport. With public transport you can add a lot more capacity just by adding vehicles, you dont have to build new roads/lanes as quickly.

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

Anyone know how to write a project paper and do cost calculation for monorail ? Also anyone got connection for approval ?

I've got the corridors identified already, photos and diagrams, routes planned.

I can have a project paper done very quickly, all I need is costs and potential passenger numbers.

As for the type of transport, there are many choices. As I said, the KL monorail cost USD 59 million/mile. The attachment below compares costs for the KL monorail with other project options

I would recommend saving money and starting with buses: simple, reliable, and cheap...as demand increases, change the type of transport.

So, does anyone have the connections?

Cheers, m

[MOYSC]

When I moved to TP1 in 1998, I didn’t know about the proposed USJ3ABCD. Maybe at that time I should have gathered support to oppose the development of that area.

Perhaps you should have opposed USJ3ABCD development to reduce the never-ending congestion in USJ/Subang if your reasons were sound & valid. If you had done so earlier, perhaps it would have stopped its domino effect???


Lets be neighbors. The flyover will definitely bring in more traffic to USJ, but it will also allow a much-required alternative road for those leaving USJ....

You mentioned that the flyover will "DEFINITELY" bring in more traffic. The word definite implies that you've already anticipated and acknowledged that this problem would happen once the flyover is built! Are you suggesting to add more congestion into USJ/Subang?

You must have forgotten that this connection also leads directly into a large-scale heavy industrial estate - Subang Hi Tech Industrial Estate. If so, are you also suggesting that we should all endure more heavy vehicles in our USJ/Subang residential roads??? Please don't overlook the SAFETY aspects as well as ENVIRONMENTAL issues which are often NOT taken into SERIOUS consideration.

Finally, thank you for reminding us that we should be opposing to this flyover rather than to regret for not doing so. I certainly do not want to see the 'domino effect' of unplanned development affecting our lives and our future generations... Lets all put it to a STOP now!!!

[orchipalar]

Err...here is a question which has been lingering at the back of Orchi's mind for quite sometime since...

Should Orchi be offered RM40,000 or something like that...ahem...in exchange for taking an opposite stance on the flyover issue...in contrary to Orchi's earlier decision to go against it...

Err...what should Orchi do...?

Ahem...take the money n shut the freaking mouth up...?

or screw the money...?

[Rocky19]

well if you have morals and are a man who stand by his words and deeds, then you screw the money. If you have no morals, than take the money. if you try to be a smartass, then take the money and try to screw the others guys behind their back on the issue...so play a game, can be dangerous and a stupid one cos you will get screwed both ways eventually.

But taking the money, you will be in for a hell of a time with the folks in usj, who are well linked, where news(gossip) travels fast. So really asking for trouble cos not everyone here is blind or deaf or dumb and changing your stand on this issue..well good luck bro.

The best thing someone has is their reputation, best is to keep it and screw the money. It is the right thing to do, instead of being a sell out!

My 2 cents for feedback asked.

[tan_r]

Are you suggesting that you were made an offer?

[patrick]

Are you suggesting that you were made an offer?

Aiyoh..brother Tan....today a bit slow huh? Or are you?? ;-)

[orchipalar]

Lets be neighbors. The flyover will definitely bring in more traffic to USJ, but it will also allow a much-required alternative road for those leaving USJ. Think about the morning traffic torture to our neighbors along USJ12/1, Jalan Usaha, Jalan Tujuan, USJ2/2, and also neighbors along SS19/1, SS19/2, SS18/1A, SS18/4, SS14, SS12 etc. The proposed alternative flyover will help to divert some traffic away from those areas.

With or without the proposed flyover, traffic in USJ and Subang Jaya will only get worse. New shoplots / commercial buildings in USJ10, Mydin Hypermarket in USJ1, the construction of apartment/condos next to Carrefour and opposite SS19/1, to name a few. Look around for vacant land in USJ and Subang Jaya now, and come back in two to three years time..

Err...Helme:)...lets be neighbourly ya say rightly...n please read the following from another thread yesterday:-

Residents of TTDI Jaya - Shah Alam and Batu Tiga are fuming mad after their homes and business premises came under water.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=11459

Err...a much required alternative road for whom...may Orchi ask you?

Ahem...now where would ya think those thousands of motorists n drivers(heavily laden trucks)...whom would be stucked each day in the existing congested traffic at Central Sugar access...would divert their headings to...n also...how would they be avoiding the freaking flash floods that happen so regularly...each time when it rains freaking heavily...?

Err...if Orchi isn't mistaken...ya have NOT seen the worst of it all yet...or have you?

[Helme]

I understand you lives in TP 1 and it doesn't need a rocket scientist to tell me that you also work in either Subang Hitech or Shah Alam or else why are you so generous to invite traffic from the areas I mentioned to pass through your neighbourhood? Let us be frank and lay our cards out when we express our opinion or else what you say will be clouded by your self interest.
I did not anticipate the whereabouts of my work area greatly contribute to the issue here. Does this mean only those residing in USJ can oppose and only those in Subang Hitech can propose? And the right to oppose is exclusive to those working in areas outside Subang Hitech or Shah Alam? How about the type of vehicle one uses to go to work? I’m new to this. Please lay out the rules.


From your first paragraph's comments, I notice that you are arguing for argument sake. You are also insinuating that those who are against the flyover should thank their lucky star that residents who moved here earlier than us did not object to our presence here. For your information, your argument here holds no water. We know what we are protesting about as we have done our homework. It is only the empty vessels that make the most noise. How sure are you that traffic from here will benefit from this new link when they end up over the other end in front of the two tunnels and the area is usually flooded when it pours and there is no Panjang to patch up the potholes there?
Again I did not anticipate my style of writing warrants me an “empty vessel” label. I’m new and I start by introducing where I live and my feeling towards objecting projects we have no prior knowledge to. Just because someone, with more than 2000 posts to his credit, has done some homework, has all the rights to fall short of calling someone else “stupid”. I thought this site provides a platform where we can share views, at our own ease, without having to face one another physically. Therefore, this humble being of “empty vessel” along with few others who support the proposed flyover will be very grateful if the “homework” is shared among us. Some audited statistical reports, an EIA report, social impact assessment reports, more observations by MPSJ officers perhaps... Come on. Share with us your wisdom.

[Teeque]

Firstly, anyone with a right mind, living in USJ/Subang, would strongly oppose to ANY flyover projects linking into this township currently. Unless those living here hv an 'interest' on the other side of the divide, then ofcos they are all for it. These residents have only their self-interest in mind and not the 'traffic torture' of their neighbors here as claimed. Nor are safety, social, environmental and traffic impact issues on the top of their minds either.

Due to poor town planning, more and more developments hv been allowed to sprout in this township with a nose-thumbing disregard to simultaneously improve and expand the infrastructure needed to support a mushrooming township. Today in Subang, the most basic infrastructure - our arterial roads, are unable to cater to the burgeoning traffic needs and poor conditions in this township. Adding to this, an inefficient and poorly managed public transportation system pile on more woes to the existing problem. And with all the planned interconnections into the multiple expressways bordering this township, the town planners thought this would be the 'mother of all solutions' to solve our traffic woes in Subang. Well, today, you can evidently see the folly of their 'planning'. Instead of dispersing traffic into the highways and byways, it has also added on another greater problem affecting us all here, with no solution in sight. They hv failed to envisaged that by allowing interconnections to these expressways, they hv also allowed incoming and 'flow thru traffic' frm one highway to another using our arterial residential roads. Or frm one township to another, again using our roads as the interconnection. Why, you may ask? Because our roads are toll free and the highways are not. That is also the reason why one can see the high numbers of all sorts of commercial trucks and trailers frequently utilising our residential roads! Which, IMO, is a first for any township in Malaysia. By building another flyover 'connection', this perenial problem in Subang would only be compounded and not solved. Dont make the same mistakes our town planners and local councils hv made.

As Helme mentioned,

The proposed alternative flyover will help to divert some traffic away from those areas.
Divert to where may I ask?



Sime UEP has pledged contributions to build the flyover. So did the developer on the other side.
The majority of residents here who are stakeholders in this township and community would rather our town developer would contribute and pledge money to improve our town's infrastructure and traffic systems before embarking on another multi-million ringgit project which would not be beneficial to dwellers/stakeholders in this community. It also adds no value to their reputation as a township developer with poor town planning and inadequate basic infrastructure. The developer on your other side is advised to do the same.

[pcyeoh]

I did not anticipate the whereabouts of my work area greatly contribute to the issue here. Does this mean only those residing in USJ can oppose and only those in Subang Hitech can propose? And the right to oppose is exclusive to those working in areas outside Subang Hitech or Shah Alam? How about the type of vehicle one uses to go to work? I’m new to this. Please lay out the rules.


Again I did not anticipate my style of writing warrants me an “empty vessel” label. I’m new and I start by introducing where I live and my feeling towards objecting projects we have no prior knowledge to. Just because someone, with more than 2000 posts to his credit, has done some homework, has all the rights to fall short of calling someone else “stupid”. I thought this site provides a platform where we can share views, at our own ease, without having to face one another physically. Therefore, this humble being of “empty vessel” along with few others who support the proposed flyover will be very grateful if the “homework” is shared among us. Some audited statistical reports, an EIA report, social impact assessment reports, more observations by MPSJ officers perhaps... Come on. Share with us your wisdom.
As I have said, it will be good if anyone who swims against the current reveal why they are doing that. Example: if anyone lives in TP or for that matter in USJ but works in Shah Alam and declares that he supports the flyover project, then all ouf us would understand why he says so. But you will notice that there are many including myself (I work in PJ) who love to have that flyover built but object to it as we have the neighbourliness in us since we think what is good for the community and the big picture and not because of anything else. Also, I did not specifically say that you are an empty vessel nor even a stupid person. But, if you care to read all the postings related to this issue, you would have find all our arguments why we are opposing this project. Obviously, you know also those reports that you have mentioned are all inaccessible to us and may not have been conducted at all. But we don't need such report to submit our objection first. If we have to depend on all those reports, the first vehicle would have crossed over the new flyover already. Then it is no use crying over spilt milk.

[Helme]

For the second time, the same person wanted me to explain myself – where do I go to work. My answer remains the same – it’s my own business. I posted my views hoping that the replies would be convincing enough for me to re-think my position and perhaps even convince few others. I have refused to sign any petition from both parties. I still keep my mind open to all views. Until now, my stand remains.

Do you think responses like “arguments hold no water”, “homework done”, “empty vessel” etc bode well with any “kawan baru”? Those responses scared me away. Plus someone highly obsessed over the word “freaking”. I had to spend over two hours, reading previous postings to see if your “homework” could shake my stand. Sad to say – No lah. AllUrban’s posting in response to the public transit alternative was what I was seeking for. It was worth repeated readings.

Allow me to share one of Sun Tzu’s quote.
One who has few must prepare for defence; one who has many shall make the enemy prepare for defence.

Lets reassess the situation. YDP of MPSJ has left the issue to the hands of MB. Developers seemed very looking forward to the proposal.

While admitting to his mistake, Dato’ Lee Hwa Beng was among those who approved to the initial planning. Did he initiate any other protest over current developments in USJ that could add to traffic woes - the Mydin Superstore and the additional shop lots in USJ10 for example? Elsewhere, Dato’ Lee made a general statement of advising homebuyers to look at plans of the area before signing the S&P agreement (Malaysian Business, December 16th to 31st 2005, pg 42-43). Can he be counted to face MB? Or will MB count his views?

Star Metro (pg 4), Monday 6 February 2006. Kelana Jaya MP, Loh Seng Kok’s comment on MPPJ obtaining city status – “For the security of the residents, I hope that a police station is built as soon as possible in place of the beat base in USJ8 and that there will be an increase in police personnel, especially in USJ where the ratio of personnel to civilians is at only 1:6000.” It seemed, the ‘P’ in MPPJ and the ‘S’ in MPSJ is very confusing. Will MB seek his opinion on the flyover matter?

Unless there are some technical documents (homework) to support the opposing claims, can MB be moved to the 3000+ signatories alone? Someone even talked something about ‘bombing’?

So, good luck with your protests. No more posting from this ‘kawan baru’.

[starrnorth88]

Actually lah. SJ / USJ now become a traffic transit place. Just look at the flyover at SS19/SS18/SS17. Concrete road flying all over right in the middle of housing estate

[xaviers]

after reading it all.... sigh...sigh... I feel so sad. :( :( :( :(

[Rocky19]

Star Metro (pg 4), Monday 6 February 2006. Kelana Jaya MP, Loh Seng Kok’s comment on MPPJ obtaining city status – “For the security of the residents, I hope that a police station is built as soon as possible in place of the beat base in USJ8 and that there will be an increase in police personnel, especially in USJ where the ratio of personnel to civilians is at only 1:6000.” It seemed, the ‘P’ in MPPJ and the ‘S’ in MPSJ is very confusing. Will MB seek his opinion on the flyover matter?


Who made this mistake of 'P' and 'S'. The MP or the newspaper? Even if it was a mistake, is there a USJ8 in MPPJ?Most people know where USJ8 is under MPSJ and in Subang Jaya. Not sure if MB will seek his opinion but YB will give his opinion on the issue. Why? well you just have to scroll around looking for the events that happened a few months back and check out the papers when he was in usj and clearly you can see where he stands and there is no confusion in that press clippings on USJ3 flyover.

Lets answer the questions Divert to where by Teeque?

[tan_r]

An interesting letter posted at ADUN Subang Jaya's (http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1083) website.

[Teeque]

I am reproducing here another 'interesting' reply by our ADUN with regards to worsening traffic jams in Subang (http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1084). So far, I havent heard of these 'new' initiatives' communicated to the ground. Have you?



From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: SJ/USJ JAMS


I am very aware of these jams in Persiaran Tujuan since becoming the State Assemblyman in 1995. It has been my priority since then.

If you can recall, Persiaran Tujuan was widened to 6 lanes including the bridge over Kesas. The traffic lights at SS19 were reduced from 3 to 2. Now, work is being carried out at Jalan Subang Utama / Tujuan junction to eliminate the traffic lights. This junction is expected to open in April 2006.

Only yesterday, I chaired a meeting in MPSJ to look into reducing the 2 traffic lights in SS19 into one. Last week, MPSJ submitted to the MB to have funding to build slip roads from Tujuan into Kesas Highway. The much protested link bridge to join USJ 3A to Subang Heights / Shah Alam is meant to ease pressure on Tujuan so that traffic going to Shah Alam will use this link bridge.

Every time we expanded Tujuan, requests for pedestrian bridges are received. Hence, 3 pedestrian bridges were built at SS18 / SS19, USJ4 / USJ5 and SS19 / USJ2. Still cannot fulfill requests for pedestrian bridges at SS17 / SS19 and USJ12 / USJ11 yet.

My next priority is at the Persiaran Murni / Tujuan junction at USJ 3. The ideal solution is to build a flyover but where to get the funds? The Subang / Kelana link now under construction at Persiaran Kewajipan when completed will also redirect traffic from Tujuan to go there for those going to KL / PJ as this project will have a flyover from SJMC to old Airport road at Kelana Jaya.

The completion of Subang / Kelana road will transfer traffic to the 2 traffic lights at the Kewajipan Interchange over Kesas and also the Giant / Summit junction. I am looking into it. We are thinking of closing these 2 traffic lights and force traffic to more U turns. Yesterday, MPSJ agreed to appoint me as Chairman to look into collection from developers to contribute to the construction of an interchange at the Persiaran Murni / Kewajipan junctions at Giant. We have already imposed on a few developments in USJ 1 to contribute.

Give me more time. I assure you I am trying my very best.

Bye.


Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng

ADUN Subang Jaya

[Teeque]

An interesting letter posted at ADUN Subang Jaya's (http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1083) website.

Read also this person's first letter to our ADUN.

http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1001

[Teeque]

An interesting letter posted at ADUN Subang Jaya's (http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1083) website.

Read also this person's first letter to our ADUN.

http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/55/1001

This about turn by the Subang Heights resident committee only serves to highlight their stand on this issue as a matter for their own convenience sake only. Hopefully by now, we can all see their fickleness in full view and that they can see their folly with their earlier demands.

At the public hearing last September, the SH representatives 'demanded' for the flyover stating that the proposed project is in their contractual rights. Irregardless of adding to the traffic congestion at P. Setia and P. Tujuan. They contended that safety, environment and social issues are just 'smokescreens' created by our residents groups. 'Jam or no jam, we want the bridge', they demanded firmly. When we offered to sit down with them to discuss an alternative proposal to link into the Kesas Highway instead, they rejected outright. And now they changed their minds when the bad traffic situation at the said P. Setia is an inconvenience to them.

So, the stand taken by the USJRA and all the various resident groups in Subang/USJ were unwavering and forthright all along. It proves that the issues that we highlighted all this while were, in fact, real and tangible. So, who was creating the smokescreens then? This only serves as a reminder to all Subang residents here that we should do what's right and not just for your convenience. We hope we will see the last of this fickle bunch frm SH again.

[kwchang]

Did everyone of you miss this ?....
The reply by Dato' Lee mentioned something very sinister - check the 3rd para of his reply -

The much protested link bridge to join USJ 3A to Subang Heights / Shah Alam is meant to ease pressure on Tujuan so that traffic going to Shah Alam will use this link bridge.

What does that mean?
Is that "much protested link bridge" going to be built?

[pcyeoh]

Did everyone of you miss this ?....
The reply by Dato' Lee mentioned something very sinister - check the 3rd para of his reply -

What does that mean?
Is that "much protested link bridge" going to be built?
The argument posed by the Subang Heights purchasers claimed that the proposed flyover would ease those traffic at Jalan Tujuan heading to Shah Alam. They think the traffic will instead use this third front at USJ 3ABCD. A few of us were discussing this issue with Dato Lee after the hearing and it was at this discussion that Dato Lee suggested a better solution is to build slip roads at Jalan Tujuan at the present flyover into KESAS. Incidentally it will also ease the traffic presure at the interchange at Jalan Kewajipan. And our proposed compromised solution to SH purchasers to forget about the proposed flyover to USJ 3ABCD but instead build a slip road into KESAS directly. If they have done that,they could have their cake and eat it for they now not only can access USJ at the Jalan Kewajipan but also at Jalan Tujuan. The latest score is that for the moment everything is kept on hold until the MTES (Majlis Tindakan Ekonomi Selangor) decides.

[Teeque]

Did everyone of you miss this ?....
The reply by Dato' Lee mentioned something very sinister - check the 3rd para of his reply -


What does that mean?
Is that "much protested link bridge" going to be built?

No Chang, I did not miss it. That statement he made is an open ended one. Neither did he confirm nor dispute it. Well, he is a very seasoned politician and for sure he is keeping that option open for now. There is no decision yet frm the MB so he cant conclude the issue as yet.

[orchipalar]

Did everyone of you miss this ?....
The reply by Dato' Lee mentioned something very sinister - check the 3rd para of his reply -

What does that mean?
Is that "much protested link bridge" going to be built?Err...perhaps somebody may have taken a bite at the bait quietly since...n screwed almost every residents...instead??? (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=111923&postcount=792)

Ahem btw...of late has it ever occurred to anyone else...what would be the opinions...feedbacks or comments be...from the more prominent representatives of the residents' voices...over this long n pending issue...???

Err...or perhaps there could be some reasonable explanations to their long absence since...???

[Teeque]

The bait is cast to the richest and biggest fish in this state. He was seen in USJ 3D today, swimming with the fishermen....

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Ahem btw...of late has it ever occurred to anyone else...what would be the opinions...feedbacks or comments be...from the more prominent representatives of the residents' voices...over this long n pending issue...???

Silence and absence does not alway mean otherwise. Instead, why not confront that person to find out the truth instead of pointing fingers at him or her? Give him/her the benefit of doubt.

Meanwhile, we should maintain our focus on THE issue, which is to OPPOSE the construction of Batu 3 flyover. Heard from the grapevine that it may have been approved recently. Should we still sit around and let the "big guys" overrule our lives and our future???

Isn't it time that we throw back the ever-famous "TRANSPARENCY" word back at these guys who does not have the "RIGHTS" to govern our lives??? What had happened to the word "DEMOCRACY"? :mad: :mad: :mad:

[robertec]

I remember reading somewhere recently that the MB is in favour of the flyover.

How come it is not reported here?

Maybe someone would like to either deny or confirm it?

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[jasonbhlee]

Yesterday morning, a big entourage from MB's office together with MPSJ's councillor (including Dato Lee) was at the end of Persiaran Setia to have a first hand look. Seeing such a big group, a ocal resident approached the group and spoke to Khir Toyo regarding the resident's objection to the flyover. According to him, the MB sounded very arrogant and said that he sees no reason why the flyover should not be built.
Later one of the residents sms Dato Lee and again ask for his stance. This time he says he is 'neutral'. According to him, the MB is in favour of the flyover....'end of story'....

[orchipalar]

According to him, the MB sounded very arrogant and said that he sees no reason why the flyover should not be built.
Later one of the residents sms Dato Lee and again ask for his stance. This time he says he is 'neutral'. According to him, the MB is in favour of the flyover....'end of story'....

Err...aarrrhhh yes...so what he really means could be...everything has been settled...n the relevant people has come to some compromise....

n "Semuanya OK!"TM...thus thousands of the residents' grouses n objections...would NOT mean a thing at all...ahem n furthermore...the horrendous traffic congestions...n safety of the schools going childrens...are NONE of his freaking concerns at all...

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How about extending the problem of the Petronas Gas Berhad's potential pipe leak problem from Jln Usaha to Jln Setia too??? Isn't it an important safety point to note as well?

As it is, both Jln Usaha and Jln Setia are running across the pipelines... And if the flyover were to be built without restricting heavy vehicles access from Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park, soon USJ will be blown to pieces (if the max. permissible load limit was true at Jln Usaha)....

[pcyeoh]

Well, we shall not admit defeat. Although we have many doubting Thomases, it was still not detrimental but unfortunately there is a Judas among us who could have sold us for 40 pieces of silver. This call for Plan B to be executed and drastic measures have to be taken. Plan B requires undercover and sinister action plan and therefore must not be revealed or discussed in public. So we shall go underground and only when we have a breakthrough, sorry folks, you will be kept in the dark. We won't even tell you who are the members of this special squad. We are definiting not squatting. We will be moving on. We cannot afford to have another Judas in our midst. It will be suicidal.

[orchipalar]

Err...n thereafter...ahem...regardless of whatsoever outcome of the freaking flyover bridge...everybody would be going after the Judas...

[orchipalar]

Silence and absence does not alway mean otherwise. Instead, why not confront that person to find out the truth instead of pointing fingers at him or her? Give him/her the benefit of doubt.

Err...dear Nina:)...do you honestly believe that the party...would perhaps come forward with it now...?

[robertec]

Yesterday morning, a big entourage from MB's office together with MPSJ's councillor (including Dato Lee) was at the end of Persiaran Setia to have a first hand look. Seeing such a big group, a ocal resident approached the group and spoke to Khir Toyo regarding the resident's objection to the flyover. According to him, the MB sounded very arrogant and said that he sees no reason why the flyover should not be built.
Later one of the residents sms Dato Lee and again ask for his stance. This time he says he is 'neutral'. According to him, the MB is in favour of the flyover....'end of story'....

Just need some confirmation, did the YAB come on Sunday morning or on Monday morning?
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[Fletcher]

How about extending the problem of the Petronas Gas Berhad's potential pipe leak problem from Jln Usaha to Jln Setia too??? Isn't it an important safety point to note as well?

As it is, both Jln Usaha and Jln Setia are running across the pipelines... And if the flyover were to be built without restricting heavy vehicles access from Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park, soon USJ will be blown to pieces (if the max. permissible load limit was true at Jln Usaha).... I have a copy of both the letters from Petronas, first one states the crossing was designed by Petronas engineers to with stand a MAX wiight of 20 ton, 4 times the posted 5 ton max weight allowed in JL Usaha. The second letter dated 2/2/06 requests MPSJ to get off their behind and STOP the trucks using this road with all speed, using a solid metal gantry will stop them immediatly. It nrrds to be a solid one otherwise some one might steal it for the scrap value! I can fax these letters to you if you like or come and meet me, i'm easy to find, just ask PC Yeo.

[jasonbhlee]

It was a beautiful Monday morning............

[xaviers]

Hmmm... last I heard Judas hanged himself. :D

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I have a copy of both the letters from Petronas, first one states the crossing was designed by Petronas engineers to with stand a MAX wiight of 20 ton, 4 times the posted 5 ton max weight allowed in JL Usaha. The second letter dated 2/2/06 requests MPSJ to get off their behind and STOP the trucks using this road with all speed, using a solid metal gantry will stop them immediatly. It nrrds to be a solid one otherwise some one might steal it for the scrap value! I can fax these letters to you if you like or come and meet me, i'm easy to find, just ask PC Yeo.

Thank you for responding. I've already PM you my fax number. Out of curiosity, does increase in road thickness, increases the max. permissible load of the road above the pipelines? or is its value solely derived from the pipe thickness? Thought that it would be good to crack our brains to understand a little more... :)

[Snoggy]

Perhaps we need to remind our Leaders/Representatives their electoral promises when we voted them to power. Maybe they won't get our support that easily in the next election.

[orchipalar]

Out of curiosity, does increase in road thickness, increases the max. permissible load of the road above the pipelines? or is its value solely derived from the pipe thickness? Thought that it would be good to crack our brains to understand a little more... :)Err...dear Nina:)...by increasing the thickness of the tarmac surface...or by increasing the volume of road foundation under the surface(like a big hump)...it would only add more weight pressure onto the Gas pipes... :)

It would be safe for Orchi to say...that by design...the PE insulated seemless hot rolled steel Gas line pipes(BS standard Grade 50 or 52B or API 5L) could withstand 20ton of load bearing pressure per square metre.

However...ahem...the point where it is proned to breaking or leakage...would be at the joints which are welded with each another...

Err...the Gas pipes are 18m(60feet) long each...with an internal diameter of 36 inches...which weights approx. 6 tons each.

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Well, we shall not admit defeat. Although we have many doubting Thomases, it was still not detrimental but unfortunately there is a Judas among us who could have sold us for 40 pieces of silver. This call for Plan B to be executed and drastic measures have to be taken. Plan B requires undercover and sinister action plan and therefore must not be revealed or discussed in public. So we shall go underground and only when we have a breakthrough, sorry folks, you will be kept in the dark. We won't even tell you who are the members of this special squad. We are definiting not squatting. We will be moving on. We cannot afford to have another Judas in our midst. It will be suicidal.

I hope you are right PC, but I've not felt any movements since... Everything have been quiet and calm. I just wished that we had been more dedicated with our pursuit.

Whoever the Judas may be, he or she must be a real idiot to sell his/her soul for a mere 40 pieces of silver??? What a ridiculous conspiracy! Sigh...

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Article taken from News/Events section at www.hwabeng.org.my

Feb 22, 2006 ... Latest on USJ 3A / Subang Heights Link
from Lee Hwa Beng, ADUN Subang Jaya
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LATEST ON USJ 3A / SUBANG HEIGHTS LINK

Last Monday, 20th February 2006 at 9.15am, I received a call from MPSJ that MB will be visiting 3C Complex. When I rushed there, MB was already at the site. After the briefing at around 11.00am, MB said he will be visiting the USJ 3A / Subang Heights link bridge site. This is a surprise visit by MB and hence I was not aware too. I saw a resident at the site and invited him to talk to the MB.

MB did not give me any indication whether he or the State will be approving this link bridge. MPSJ led by the YDP had briefed the MB at a meeting in the State 2 weeks ago on this issue. I was not invited for the meeting.

Let us wait for MB's decision in writing. Do not listen to rumours or hearsay. After all, we had waited for a long time, a week or two will not be too long.

As mentioned many times by me, once MB or the State makes a decision, it will be very difficult for me to object to this link bridge openly. I am part of the Administration and I cannot publicly object to decisions made by MB or the State Government.


Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

Hmmm...I thought I smelled something...

[orchipalar]

Hmmm...I thought I smelled something...Err...dear Nina:)...ya did smell something...

n IT STINKS LIKE HELL...!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[CCY]

Err...dear Nina:)...ya did smell something...

n IT STINKS LIKE HELL...!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Are we all having to prepare for the release of the next 'FLOOD'....erm.. from BT??? :mad:

[Beethoven]

Today's SChew Jit Poh said the MB already confirmed to go ahead with this link, but can't find the news in the Star. can any one confirm this ? What's hte next step we should do / could do ?

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Today's SChew Jit Poh said the MB already confirmed to go ahead with this link, but can't find the news in the Star. can any one confirm this ? What's hte next step we should do / could do ?

Hi there,

Kindly post the related section from Sin Chew newspaper. I doubt the accuracy of the news, as long as it is not indicated in our major newspapers.

Nina

[Chermaine]

Is in the Sin Chew Daily but I can't find it from

http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=166&data=news

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Is in the Sin Chew Daily but I can't find it from

http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=166&data=news

Hi Chermaine,

Can you translate what was indicated in the newspaper? Meanwhile, isn't it questionable to why the news had to appear first in the chinese newspapers?

Nina

[Fletcher]

We are all suffering the same problems with increased traffic and heavy trucks in our areas and we live side by side so all are affected by this proposed flyover, lets translate this into people power and get the press in, no advanced warning so the Judis in our midst does not get the storm troopers in to break up our protest! Lets do it soon before its too late! :cool:

[Teeque]

Article taken from News/Events section at www.hwabeng.org.my

Feb 22, 2006 ... Latest on USJ 3A / Subang Heights Link
from Lee Hwa Beng, ADUN Subang Jaya
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LATEST ON USJ 3A / SUBANG HEIGHTS LINK

Last Monday, 20th February 2006 at 9.15am, I received a call from MPSJ that MB will be visiting 3C Complex. When I rushed there, MB was already at the site. After the briefing at around 11.00am, MB said he will be visiting the USJ 3A / Subang Heights link bridge site. This is a surprise visit by MB and hence I was not aware too. I saw a resident at the site and invited him to talk to the MB.

MB did not give me any indication whether he or the State will be approving this link bridge. MPSJ led by the YDP had briefed the MB at a meeting in the State 2 weeks ago on this issue. I was not invited for the meeting.

Let us wait for MB's decision in writing. Do not listen to rumours or hearsay. After all, we had waited for a long time, a week or two will not be too long.

As mentioned many times by me, once MB or the State makes a decision, it will be very difficult for me to object to this link bridge openly. I am part of the Administration and I cannot publicly object to decisions made by MB or the State Government.


Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

Hmmm...I thought I smelled something...

This reply given below by LHB many moons ago just highlights the irony of this fellow and his about turn. It seems that wherever the wind blows, he wags his tail in that direction.


I sent this message to YB Dato' Lee

YB Dato' Lee, you are the Wakil Rakyat and must stand on the side of all SJ/USJ residents and object to the building of the flyover. Even residents from USJ16 to USJ27 depend on you, as we cannot depend on our Puchong ADUN. Robert

I got this reply:

I am wakil rakyat first & councillor second. Hwa Beng

I sent again:

On behalf of all Residents, Thank you very much Dato.

This was his reply:

My tanggung jawap. Hwa Beng

Once again I wish to thank Dato Lee for his correct stance on this matter.
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[leethongkeng]

Hi there,

Kindly post the related section from Sin Chew newspaper. I doubt the accuracy of the news, as long as it is not indicated in our major newspapers.

Nina

I want to point out the true fact that MB Selangor has approved the Batu Tiga Flyover Linking Persiaran Tujuan At USJ3ABCD after his visit to the site dated 20/2/06.

It was further confirmed by Ydp of mpsj during the last mth mpsj full board council meeting with all the councillors dated 27/206. & this article was published yesterday( 1/03/06 ) in Sin Chew Daily.

Since this link was approved by MB Selangor, the decision was a final !!!

[Beethoven]

The news was the report of MPSJ monthly meeting topics, called up Sin Chew to ask why can't find from their web, they said not all the berita tempatan will be appeared in their web.
It was on Sin Chew Metro Edition page 5, 1st March 2006. I try my best to translate whatever :
MB has agreed the 2 developers to pay RM10,000,000 to build a flyover to link USJ 3A to Subang Batu tiga Subang Height.
Upon the completion of this shorter than 100 meters flyover, the people can bypass Federal Highway to reach these 2 places.
Dato Mohd Ariff mentioned that they will meet up with these 2 developers, ie Sime UEP & Berjaya Group next week to discuss the issues regarding this flyover and the conditions brought up by MB.
The conditions are : there must be a sound barrier wall to be built near residential area, tp build a overhead crossing infront of the school, and build a road from Jalan Tujuan to Shah Alam, to reduce the volume of cars passing USJ3A by using the proposed flyover.
According to Dato Mohd Ariff, due to the building of flyover will increase the traffic condition at USJ 12 school, so MB decided to get the developers to build the overhaed crossing in front of the school.
The USJ3A residents have strongly opposed the building of this flyover, but the residents of Subang Height welcome this flyover very much.
DAto Mohd Ariff also mentioned that once this link is completed, the residents of USJ can reach Subang Height by shorter distance, and this less than 100m flyover is free from toll.

Can you understand my translations ? Pardon me.

[leethongkeng]

Beethoven,

Your translation from Mandarin to English was excellent ! You can be a good translator. :)

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I want to point out the true fact that MB Selangor has approved the Batu Tiga Flyover Linking Persiaran Tujuan At USJ3ABCD after his visit to the site dated 20/2/06.

It was further confirmed by Ydp of mpsj during the last mth mpsj full board council meeting with all the councillors dated 27/206. & this article was published yesterday( 1/03/06 ) in Sin Chew Daily.

Since this link was approved by MB Selangor, the decision was a final !!!

Funny when I spoke to Mr Yap Yun Fatt yesterday, he did not indicate that the flyover has been approved despite being a MPSJ councillor himself. Some misunderstandings or mis-reportings??? Lots of rumours have been mongering on this hot issue. Should we be listening to hear-says and/or rumours?

Are we resuming to our fates with an unconfirmed rumour? Ask ourselves if we'd done anything to stop it from the beginning before we make such a decision.

[leethongkeng]

Funny when I spoke to Mr Yap Yun Fatt yesterday, he did not indicate that the flyover has been approved despite being a MPSJ councillor himself. Some misunderstandings or mis-reportings??? Lots of rumours have been mongering on this hot issue. Should we be listening to hear-says and/or rumours?

Are we resuming to our fates with an unconfirmed rumour? Ask ourselves if we'd done anything to stop it from the beginning before we make such a decision.

This tactics is what we usually call " Tai-Chi " - the higher level from chinese " Kung- Fu ".

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This tactics is what we usually call " Tai-Chi " - the higher level from chinese " Kung- Fu ".

What good are these town councillors and/or their representatives if they cannot even let residents know a simple thing like the flyover's fate? I thought that these people were supposed to care for the needs of the residents by being a middle-man between residents and the local council.

Finally, we don't need people playing 'taichi' to represent and rule our lives. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Teeque]

Has anyone study the legal aspects and compliance of this project and issue? Right frm the beginning, this proposed flyover has not complied with the applicable legal statutes and this is confirmed by Derek Fernandes. For them to bulldoze this thru, are they then breaking the laws?

[orchipalar]

Has anyone study the legal aspects and compliance of this project and issue? Right frm the beginning, this proposed flyover has not complied with the applicable legal statutes and this is confirmed by Derek Fernandes. For them to bulldoze this thru, are they then breaking the laws?Err...dear Teeque:)...you would recall...that was ONLY important part of the plans n actions which we decided upon...which were required to be carried out...when we met at A&W with Derek who was more than eager to take on the case on behalf of the residents...ahem...Rusman of course was absent.

So when we needed the 'study materials' from some of the residents in USJ3ABCD...Orchi believed Rusman had refused to cooperate...or did he not?

[leethongkeng]

....Err.....dear Orchi San.....very, very funny to me ..... why suddenly no news from your " Taikos " regarding this link issue anymore ?

My little bird told me that they are now busy in practising " Belly- Dancing " @ home ! Wonder it was true or not ! Maybe there has not been much publicity for them anymore..... or maybe the " GAME " was over...... !!!

[robertec]

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My little bird told me that they are now busy in practising " Belly- Dancing " @ home ! Wonder it was true or not ! Maybe there has not been much publicity for them anymore..... or maybe the " GAME " was over...... !!!

Dear Mr Lee

Please do not be overtly cocky about the whole matter.

It is not right for you to insinuate that the people who spoke out for the community were glory seekers and were in it for the publicity.

What may I ask did you do to further this cause? As a resident of USJ you will surely be effect by this decision one way or the other in years to come, even if you personally feel that you are staying in Kinrara.

If I were you, I would lay off the little bird, don’t beat the guy to death, cause it’s not that funny.

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[Rocky19]

I guess if this is on, I've to move to USJ29. Heard they have better programs than belly dancing!!! and the roads and the drains are all in good conditions and smooth traffic too.Can someone tell me how I can get there.Mr.Lee can you give me directions?

anyway what happen to Rusman? don't see his postings anymore? :confused:

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Please do not be overtly cocky about the whole matter.

It is not right for you to insinuate ...
If I were you, I would lay off the little bird, don’t beat the guy to death..


I totally agree. Why point one finger at the person(s) when the other four fingers are pointing to ourselves? We must accept the fact that the flyover will be constructed even though we had all done our best to fight for our RIGHTs to go against it! It is rather unfortunate not unless there is a MIRACLE... :)

[Teeque]

May I also remind all that there is no official undertaking in writing that indicate the proposed flyover is approved. I only hear frm word of mouth that the MB is 'in favour of it'. The YDP is still the one to give the planning and build orders. And he has councillors and residents' representatives assisting him on community and residential concerns. Did these people do their job? And did they do the right thing? Heaven knows...

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Don't sacrifice lives for a flyover
A letter published in The Sun newspaper on 8th March 2005 - page 19

SOME time ago the residents of USJ, Subang had protested against the proposed flyover link by Sime UEP, to connect Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park at Batu Tiga to USJ, Subang. After more than six months of waiting, finally its fate is known.
In spite of all the concerns raised by residents who are directly affected by the link, none of the authorities or the Selangor government bothered to lend their ears to our plight. It appears that the proposed link is somewhat more important than the lives of thousands of residents.

May I ask, why should the flyover be built? Often, in such a case, no concrete reasons are offered to citizens by the local authorities.All the efforts taken by the various community groups to brainstorm on the proposed link have gone to waste.

Has the authorities concerned already made up their minds the project shall be implemented right from the beginning? If so, what is the point of having public hearings? One cannot deny the proposed link will bring more harm than good. Inducing more traffic into the already congested Jalan Tujuan, safety of children attending a school directly fronting the main road leading to this flyover, and noise and dust pollution are some of the major concerns of the residents.

Additional traffic will add to a possible lifethreatening gas pipeline leakage at Petronas Gas Bhd's pipeline intersecting the road leading to this flyover. I believe this is the gravest issue that must be addressed.

Perhaps, to mitigate the risk of gas leak from the pipeline, I-beam gantries can be installed to deny heavy vehicle access to the flyover. But then again, such a structure can easily be removed with a stroke of a pen. What can we say and what can we do? Hardly anyone from the government bothers to take note of the rakyat's concerns despite our many attempts to inform them. What has happened to our rights to be heard? Will the authorities and/or the decision-makers, for once, put themselves in the rakyat's shoes to understand its problems? Why sacrifice safety, the environment and possibly lives of residents to build a flyover which brings no benefit? Wouldn't the construction of this flyover defeat the purpose of upgrading Jalan Tujuan, which is to ease traffic congestion in USJ/Subang Jaya? Why waste taxpayers' money? How would it help to reduce traffic woes in USJ? I urge the local authorities to work with residents, as each of us has a role to know what is best for us.

USJ3A Resident Subang Jaya

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It may seem like noise, but the message is clear. Our Government, our MP and Dato Lee Hwa Beng is NOT hearing our concerns despite our many attempts to warn them on the potential hazards that the flyover would bring.

Let us know your intentions for the flyover! Be transparent - practice what you preach! We do not want to be manipulate by the hands of those who think that they are above the law!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Rocky19]

It may seem like noise, but the message is clear. Our Government, our MP and Dato Lee Hwa Beng is NOT hearing our concerns despite our many attempts to warn them on the potential hazards that the flyover would bring.

Let us know your intentions for the flyover! Be transparent - practice what you preach! We do not want to be manipulate by the hands of those who think that they are above the law!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Well some in Usj17 are laughing at those under the Subang Jaya ADUN. Maybe the Usj17 ppl under Kinrara will not face more traffic cos of this flyover.Maybe! I guess it is time we folks teach the BN ADUNs be it Kinrara or Subang Jaya a lesson by not voting for them. Lets make it a big protest vote that even if they win, it will be a slim margin. Maybe someone should stand as independent candidate.

Lets put our votes into action as we have been taken for a ride one too many time. Next issue is link between puchong and usj.

[Pak Kadok]

Well some in Usj17 are laughing at those under the Subang Jaya ADUN. Maybe the Usj17 ppl under Kinrara will not face more traffic cos of this flyover.Maybe! I guess it is time we folks teach the BN ADUNs be it Kinrara or Subang Jaya a lesson by not voting for them. Lets make it a big protest vote that even if they win, it will be a slim margin. Maybe someone should stand as independent candidate.

Lets put our votes into action as we have been taken for a ride one too many time. Next issue is link between puchong and usj.

During the last elections, Lee Hwa Beng had a walkover as the chap ( KC Cheah) from DAP had his nomination papers rejected.

Even, if there were to be a contest the next time around, I am quite sure that the "matured" electorate of USJ/Subang Jaya would slavishly vote for him, not because of his "great track record" but because this state seat is a very safe seat for the BN.

Even a cat contesting under the BN flag will win this seat.

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During the last elections, Lee Hwa Beng had a walkover as the chap ( KC Cheah) from DAP had his nomination papers rejected.

Even, if there were to be a contest the next time around, I am quite sure that the "matured" electorate of USJ/Subang Jaya would slavishly vote for him, not because of his "great track record" but because this state seat is a very safe seat for the BN.

Even a cat contesting under the BN flag will win this seat.

If there was a cat, I would prefer to vote for the cat. Ha... Ha...

BTW, Mao Tze Tung said don't care white cat or black cat as long it catches the rat! Well, there are plenty of 'rats' for the cat here. :D

[Pak Kadok]

If there was a cat, I would prefer to vote for the cat. Ha... Ha...

BTW, Mao Tze Tung said don't care white cat or black cat as long it catches the rat! Well, there are plenty of 'rats' for the cat here. :D

Err, wasn't it Comrade Deng Xiao Ping who uttered the above famous phrase?!

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What appears to be approved today may be questionable tomorrow. One cannot ignore the truth that the approved flyover can add additional stress onto the pipelines situated beneath Persiaran Setia (the road fronting SM USJ12).

The existing Taman Perindustrian UEP (where the famous tallest Faber Castell pencil is situated), is already loading Persiaran Setia with its many heavy vehicles travelling to & fro on a daily basis. Additional loads onto the pipelines can cause it to rupture and eventually releasing a highly flammable gas,ie. methane gas, which is odorless & colourless!

Are the local authorities waiting for tragedy to happen? Are we residents counting on the law enforcers that they had done their best to protect our interests and our lives? Whatever it is, we as the directly affected people must voice our concern! Don't put your life and your family's life at stake!!!

In addition, did you know that your houses must be situated no less than 80 meters away from the pipelines in order to be consided out from Petronas gas pipeline's danger zone???

Frightening but true... (measurements are calc. from pipeline center to the closest house boundaries)

TP, USJ12 & USJ3 homes - approx. 23m only
USJ16, 17 & 18 - approx. 44m
USJ3B - approx. 66m

Are these figures sufficient to alarm ourselves, or are we resuming to our fates by allowing the law enforcers do as they please? Please stand up for your RIGHTS! If you do not care for yourselves, don't hope that others will care for you!

[pcyeoh]

Frightening but true... (measurements are calc. from pipeline center to the closest house boundaries)

TP, USJ12 & USJ3 homes - approx. 23m only
USJ16, 17 & 18 - approx. 44m
USJ3B - approx. 66m

Are these figures sufficient to alarm ourselves, or are we resuming to our fates by allowing the law enforcers do as they please? Please stand up for your RIGHTS! If you do not care for yourselves, don't hope that others will care for you!
OK. This weekend I shall go there with a measuring tape and measure those houses in my area in USJ 12 to the nearest metre rather than estimating them. I believe the USJ 12 housing plans were approved by MPSJ in 1993/94. If the gas pipeline was already there, then I can sue MPSJ for non compliance.

[MOYSC]

OK. This weekend I shall go there with a measuring tape and measure those houses in my area in USJ 12 to the nearest metre rather than estimating them. I believe the USJ 12 housing plans were approved by MPSJ in 1993/94. If the gas pipeline was already there, then I can sue MPSJ for non compliance.

May I suggest that you measure using Google Earth or if you insist on physical measurements, you must have a measuring wheel.

Meanwhile, physical measurements are also based on approximations, as the distance from the boundary of each house has to be measured at right angles to the pipelines. Pipeline location can be identified by the red markers on site. Hope it helps & let us know your physical findings in here... :)

[orchipalar]

OK. This weekend I shall go there with a measuring tape and measure those houses in my area in USJ 12 to the nearest metre rather than estimating them. I believe the USJ 12 housing plans were approved by MPSJ in 1993/94. If the gas pipeline was already there, then I can sue MPSJ for non compliance.Err...dear PCYeoh:)...it would be difficult task to do...

Ahem...back in 1993/4...first ya have MPPJ to deal with...n that stretch of land was already gazetted for Petronas' use of installing the pipelines... :rolleyes:

[MOYSC]

OK. This weekend I shall go there with a measuring tape and measure those houses in my area in USJ 12 to the nearest metre rather than estimating them. I believe the USJ 12 housing plans were approved by MPSJ in 1993/94. If the gas pipeline was already there, then I can sue MPSJ for non compliance.

I assume that you've already taken physical measurements during the weekend. Can you share your findings with us?

In relation to 'suing' MSPJ for a non-compliance, you can rightfully do so if your house is situated less than 80m away from the pipelines.

[starrnorth88]

Sue MPSJ ? You must be joking. There is a law somewhere that govt authorities cannot sued. Haven't you heard ?

besides it is your fault to buy the house at the wrong place. MPSJ already "approved" the pipeline and then someone build the house there. You have to move, not the pipeline.

By the way, what is all this pipleline about ? I buy gas cylinder for my gas cooking. so the pipeline goes where and for who ? Sorry being so ignorant.

[orchipalar]

I assume that you've already taken physical measurements during the weekend. Can you share your findings with us?

In relation to 'suing' MSPJ for a non-compliance, you can rightfully do so if your house is situated less than 80m away from the pipelines.Err...it would be a disaster to Sime UEP?...should all those affected by it got together...having the grounds to sue Sime UEP for deceiving its property buyers for purely maximizing its own gains(even after being fully compensated by Petronas for the use of land?)...n being grossly negligent in endangering so many human lives...living n working so closely to the pipelines...potentially?

Ahem...or else...potentially also...it could instead be a total disaster to the affected residents...should the pipes burst into uncontrollable proportions...

[MOYSC]

Sue MPSJ ? You must be joking. There is a law somewhere that govt authorities cannot sued. Haven't you heard ?

besides it is your fault to buy the house at the wrong place. MPSJ already "approved" the pipeline and then someone build the house there. You have to move, not the pipeline.

By the way, what is all this pipleline about ? I buy gas cylinder for my gas cooking. so the pipeline goes where and for who ? Sorry being so ignorant.

Ok, it confirms that we are really lacking knowledge in our constituency rights as highlighted by the newspaper a few days ago. Joke or not, you decide.

Fault is not ours as long as there was no public awareness on the pipelines. No one would have known about its potential impact to human lives if homes were situated within its danger zone. Would you?

Besides, MPSJ had approved the pipelines earlier and then the houses later. Can they say that they are ignorant when they were supposed to seek advice from PGB beforehand? To the question on who or what should be moving out from the area, it is not up to us to decide.

Pertaining to what the pipelines are for, if you're a subscriber to this forum, I'm sure you've internet access to find the answers you require... :)

[pcyeoh]

Sue MPSJ ? You must be joking. There is a law somewhere that govt authorities cannot sued. Haven't you heard ?
The Highland Towers case is an eye opener where we were told that the Local Authority cannot be sued. The judge then explained why. Here we are not talking about suing in Ringgit and Sen but rather suing them for specific action to be taken. Example, MPSJ may have to build a flyover over the gas pipeline and do something about those houses within the 80 metre zone. May be we should write to the MD and the Marcom Manager of SIME UEP highlighting to them what they have done or failed to do. SIME UEP a year ago has gone through an organisational changes so I think the present management is not aware of this situation.

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National Environmental Policy - One of our country's National Environmental Policy objective is :

To incorporate an environmental dimension in project planning and implementation, inter alia by determining the implications of the proposed projects and the costs of the required environmental mitigation measures through the conduct of environmental impact assessment studies.

Prescribed Activities Under the Environmental Quality Act 1987 - The prescribed activities requiring Environmental Impact Assessment Reports are:

Agriculture
Airports
Drainage and irrigation
Land reclamation
Fisheries
Forestry
Housing Industry
Infrastructure Ports
Mining
Petroleum
Power generation and transmission
Quarries
Railways
Transportation
Resort and recreational development
Waste treatment and disposal
Water supply

*** Now, if EIA was done, the authorities would have realised that the 80m limit must be adhered to ***

[Fletcher]

Sue MPSJ ? You must be joking. There is a law somewhere that govt authorities cannot sued. Haven't you heard ?

besides it is your fault to buy the house at the wrong place. MPSJ already "approved" the pipeline and then someone build the house there. You have to move, not the pipeline.

By the way, what is all this pipleline about ? I buy gas cylinder for my gas cooking. so the pipeline goes where and for who ? Sorry being so ignorant.
Well this is the major gas line that runs from terenganu gas field all the way to Singapore in the south and Thailand in the north. The first 36" pipe was laid in 1990 with a second loop laid in 1995. The pipes are laid under 1.5 meters of soil and concrete. They are supposed to be laid on a stable packed earth and gravel base. The pipes were planned and the 1st run laid well before the houses in USJ were built. They were also laid well befrore the large heavy industrial estate was approved by MPSJ and launched by Syme UEP. This is a clear case of profit at the expence of purchasers and residents. The case of Highland towers is very different to this case were it is a clear breach of safety standards by both MPSJ and Syme. The rule of law is set in stone and we the loosers at the other end have rights, i would not like to be holding Syme UEP shares when this hits the papers! As for being ignorant about the facts, dont worry we have all been kept in the dark and fed bull****, very like mushrooms!

[VeeJay]

No to link

Sometime ago, residents of USJ had protested against the proposed flyover link which was supposed to connect Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park in Batu Tiga to USJ, Subang. After more than six months of waiting, its fate is finally known.

Despite all the concrete concerns raised by residents directly affected by the link, neither the local authorities nor the state government were bothered to listen to us. It appears that the proposed link is more important than the lives of thousands of residents.

Can I ask why the flyover should be built? Often, in such a case, no concrete reasons are offered to citizens by the local authorities. Despite all the trouble taken by the various community groups to brainstorm on its issues, their efforts are put to waste.

Had this development already been decided from the very beginning? If so, what is the point of having public hearings? Is it merely a show to satisfy Local Agenda 21?

One cannot deny that the proposed development will bring more harm than good.

More traffic will enter the already congested Jalan Tujuan, concerns over schoolchildren’s safety as a school directly fronts the main road leading to this flyover, and noise and dust pollution. And there are gas pipelines intersecting the road leading to this flyover.

Perhaps the most feasible solution would be to install I-beam gantries to prevent heavy vehicles accessing the flyover. But then again, such structures can easily be removed at the stroke of a pen. Hardly anyone from our Government bothers to take note of the rakyat’s concerns despite our many attempts to inform them.

Wouldn’t the construction of this flyover defeat the purpose of upgrading road works in Jalan Tujuan, which was primarily done to ease traffic congestion within USJ/Subang? Why waste taxpayers money?

USJ/Subang is already blessed with many access roads. Why build a flyover access which will end in a bottleneck – a tunnel at Batu Tiga? How will it help reduce traffic woes within USJ, Subang?

I strongly urge the local authorities to work together with residents. We are not against development or change, as long as it brings real benefit to all.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/3/9/central/13566330&sec=central

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Read a pipeline incident which happened about a month ago. This is the same main natural gas pipeline travelling from Singapore - USJ, Subang - Thailand.

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Traffic was halted near a valve station on the Trans Thai-Malaysia
pipeline in Chana District, Southern Thailand on 6 February 2006 as fire
trucks responded to a gas leak, attracting a large crowd of onlookers.
Security guard Sompong Techaphan reported that a transformer on an
electricity pole at the station had shorted out with a bang at about 9 am,
resulting in a cloud of escaped gas.
The scene at the valve station on the morning of 6 February.
A TTM engineer called to the scene said the short circuit had been caused
by a snake getting into the transformer but refused to comment further.
Local villager Suraida To-Lee said the incident had frightened nearby
residents, who had no faith in TTM’s safety procedures.
Suraida questioned how a mere short-circuit could cause gas to spurt up
out of the pipeline.
If this is the way things start out, he asked, how were villagers supposed
to live with the project for the next 30 years?

Suraida noted that other gas leaks had already occurred further along the
pipeline in Haad Yai district.

He claimed that hasty construction of the project under pressure from
community opposition had led to substandard safety features.

Mom Luang Walwipa Burutrattanaphan, an expert considering the
project’s social environmental impact assessment, said that the
government’s Office of Environmental Policy and Planning had pushed the project into operation before it was ready and before the EIA had
been approved in its revised form, as required.
“This has led to all sorts of problems,” M. L. Walwipa commented. “The
bentonite they used to dig the pipeline trench killed nearby rubber trees.
Roads have been damaged, swamp forest encroached on, public land
taken over. And there have often been gas leaks.”

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3 things in this report really makes me wonder:
1) how is it possible that a snake trapped in transformer cause gas pipeline to leak underground?

2) why was it never reported in M'sia that this Trans Thai-Malaysia gas pipeline often leaks???

3) If 'substandard safety features' is a practice accepted by Petronas in a JV with Thailand, can it also be applicable in our home country???

Dare not think about the consequences if a gas leak or pipeline rupture were to happen in USJ.... Are the authorities prepared? Are we prepared?

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Article taken from the Star
World Updates
Tuesday March 28, 2006


Gas leak forces 11,500 to evacuate

A GAS leak in south-west China has triggered a huge explosion, forcing the evacuation of 11,500 people and polluting a river, according to Xinhua News Agency.

The accident in Chongqing municipality early on Saturday occurred in Xiaoyang village, where another gas leak in December 2003 killed 243 people in one of the nation's most deadly industrial incidents.

Both accidents were in operations run by the Chuandong Drilling Company, owned by China's largest oil firm, the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC).

A broken pipeline belonging to Chuandong caused Saturday's blast, with local residents reporting a “big bang” and seeing the nearby Gaoqiao river “rolling and foaming,” Xinhua news agency said.

There were no initial reports of deaths.

Emergency measures were being implemented to shut down the well, with about 500 cubic metres of high-density slurry and 300 tons of cement reportedly trucked to the site.

“We are studying the possible consequences of the capping and trying to figure out how big the evacuation should be,” Chongqing vice-mayor Zhou Mubing was quoted as saying.

Officials had also warned local residents against drinking water from the river.

A spokesman for the local government, He Zhengcai, confirmed the accident took place at the village in Gaoqiao town, Kaixian county, and that more than 10,000 people had been evacuated. – AFP


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Often when a tragedy happens, then only the relevant authorities would start to study the possible consequences... How about us here? Are physical preventive measures in place or are they merely written in paper only??? :mad:

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March 27, 2006
Leaking well being capped
Related entries: National

WORKERS began to cap a gas well in southwest China Chongqing at 10am, which was found leaking natural gas during the weekend, forcing more than 10,000 residents to flee their homes in Kaixian County, Xinhua news agency reported.

The China News Service also said that this morning new gas leaks have been found in three places around the first leak site in Kaixian County, in southwest China’s Chongqing.

The three places — 20 meters, 40 meters and 300 meters away from the first leaks location, are in a farm surrounding the 3,404-meter deep Luojia No. 2 Gas Well, owned by PetroChina, first dug in 2000.

On Saturday morning, leaking methane sediments were found in the Gaojia River about 1 kilometer away from the well.

Authorities evacuated at least 10,000 residents within 1 kilometer of the well. Some villagers outside the radius also fled their homes.

The China News Service said an area within 1 kilometer has been cornered off, and residents of the county’s Dunhao Town who live outside the area could return to their homes.

Accident headquarters also relocated 1,500 people in Gaoqiao Town of the county last night to facilitate the move to seal the well.

PetroChina’s workers have launched a probe in an area within 4 kilometers of the well to detect more leaks.

No injuries have been reported.

A gas explosion took place on December 23, 2003 at the Luojia No. 16H Gas Well — only several meters from the No. 2 well, killing 243 and injuring 9,000.

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Are your homes less than 1 km away from PGB's pipelines? Should it be your main concern or are you hoping that nothing would happen??? You decide!

[CS Chua]

Does anyone in this thread feel that this situation would be different if DAP is holding the seat? Currently BN is holding the elected seat and according to their mentality, since you guys have voted them in, they know what is best for us. So they do what they think is right and not what you want.

However if DAP is the current elected representative, the gomen will be very willing to listen to us because they want our votes for the next election. We will have bargaining power, right?

Exercise your voting rights properly next time. Show them they cannot take us for granted. Otherwise all these issues will repeat itself again and again. Idiots that we are.

[Pak Kadok]

Does anyone in this thread feel that this situation would be different if DAP is holding the seat? Currently BN is holding the elected seat and according to their mentality, since you guys have voted them in, they know what is best for us. So they do what they think is right and not what you want.

However if DAP is the current elected representative, the gomen will be very willing to listen to us because they want our votes for the next election. We will have bargaining power, right?

Exercise your voting rights properly next time. Show them they cannot take us for granted. Otherwise all these issues will repeat itself again and again. Idiots that we are.

Had the USJ Adun seat been a marginal seat, things would have been different.

But am sure come the next round, the "highly demanding", "well-informed" and "learned" electorate of USJ will yet again slavishly vote for the status quo.

The status quo will never lose this safe seat. It is not a matter of whether they, the status quo, will win or not but it's a matter of how big their win will be. I am willing to bet with anyone come next election on this.

[orchipalar]

The status quo will never lose this safe seat. It is not a matter of whether they, the status quo, will win or not but it's a matter of how big their win will be. I am willing to bet with anyone come next election on this.Err...name the stakes...n Orchi shall oblige... :)

[jasonbhlee]

Pak Kadok,...if your whole family votes for the opposition, maybe there's still a chance. From your replies I can see that you are actually using reverse psychology on the usj guys that they should prove you wrong. Maybe it works....good luck.

[Pak Kadok]

Pak Kadok,...if your whole family votes for the opposition, maybe there's still a chance. From your replies I can see that you are actually using reverse psychology on the usj guys that they should prove you wrong. Maybe it works....good luck.

Actually, I have never voted for the status quo, regardless who the candidate(s) is(are) as I choose the party, not the candidate(s).

My registered address is in Brickfields and for the last 2 rounds, I have contributed to the Rocket's victories for the Bukit Bintang constituency.

Last time, the Rocket will win by 20,000 or more votes. Last 2 rounds, they won by 1,000+ votes.

And that's why I do not want to change my IC address to USJ as I will be "wasting" my vote here.

And Saudara Orchi, I am willing to bet with you with whatever amount whatsoever that BN will retain the USJ Adun seat (and/or the Parliamentary seat)until kingdom come. You can just name any figure, I will accept. The Moderators/Administrators can hold the $$$ as stakeholder.

[orchipalar]

My registered address is in Brickfields and for the last 2 rounds, I have contributed to the Rocket's victories for the Bukit Bintang constituency.

And Saudara Orchi, I am willing to bet with you with whatever amount whatsoever that BN will retain the USJ Adun seat (and/or the Parliamentary seat)until kingdom come. You can just name any figure, I will accept. The Moderators/Administrators can hold the $$$ as stakeholder.
Err...dear Pak:)...YES!...Let Orchi propose...win or loose...Orchi shall donate RM1000 to SRJK(c) Chee Wen in USJ 1 in your name n honour...absolutely with one condition only...provided that there is an opposition candidate contesting for ADUN of SubangJaya...in the next GE... :)

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It appears that not only our government likes to divert attention to other topics whenever an important issue is being discussed. I hope the forumers here does not mirror an impression on our government's usual santiwara.

Our objective for this thread should be clear -that is NO to flyover link!


Note: the gas pipelines load limits may be breached if we allow the flyover to be built! Thousands of residents living along the gas pipelines should be worried that their lives are at stake in the event of a leak or pipeline rupture.

Don't wait for DAP, MCA or any other political party to help. We can't expect others to help if we ourselves are not bothered.

[Pak Kadok]

Err...dear Pak:)...YES!...Let Orchi propose...win or loose...Orchi shall donate RM1000 to SRJK(c) Chee Wen in USJ 1 in your name n honour...absolutely with one condition only...provided that there is an opposition candidate contesting for ADUN of SubangJaya...in the next GE... :)

OK, you are on.

No problem, the loser's money being donated to the Chee Wen School is a good idea.

But I wish not to be in the limelight, thus, may I suggest, yet again, that Lee Hwa Beng gets the limelight, you can make the donation in his name, lah.

Ya, I am cocksure he will win yet again as I know how the "selfish, middle-class" way of thinking of the USJ folks in general....

p/s Like it or not, the Flyover will be built as it is what one can consider as a "fait accompli."

[orchipalar]

Err...so it shall be...dear Pak:)...be seeing ya in the next GE...:)

[Pak Kadok]

Err...so it shall be...dear Pak:)...be seeing ya in the next GE...:)

Come next elections, I might just as well get the Nomination forms and submit these forms, just to stand-by, to prevent another walk-over due to technical reasons.

Since the election laws have been amended to allow for potential candidates to withdraw after their nominations have been accepted, I can withdraw later, no need to worry about losing the deposit.

If I do contest and am elected (fat hopes), I can also be bought over, if the price is right.....

[orchipalar]

Come next elections, I might just as well get the Nomination forms and submit these forms, just to stand-by, to prevent another walk-over due to technical reasons.

Since the election laws have been amended to allow for potential candidates to withdraw after their nominations have been accepted, I can withdraw later, no need to worry about losing the deposit.

If I do contest and am elected (fat hopes), I can also be bought over, if the price is right.....Err...Orchi is considering to do just that also...ahem seriously...should Orchi be contesting...Orchi could win a lot of votes :)

[MOYSC]

p/s Like it or not, the Flyover will be built as it is what one can consider as a "fait accompli."

I don't know what were your previous contributions on this flyover matter, this 'fait accompli' thing is not up to anyone of us to decide. Of course, anyone can make their own assumptions but for me, as long as there is no news from MPSJ, it is still not a done deal!

Meanwhile, pls do not spam this thread with unrelated issues. Unless everyone in here agrees to remove this thread, its objective shall remain.

Nina

[Pak Kadok]

I don't know what were your previous contributions on this flyover matter, this 'fait accompli' thing is not up to anyone of us to decide. Of course, anyone can make their own assumptions but for me, as long as there is no news from MPSJ, it is still not a done deal!

Meanwhile, pls do not spam this thread with unrelated issues. Unless everyone in here agrees to remove this thread, its objective shall remain.

Nina

You sure must be a politically very naive person. Then, let's stay that way.

You certainly don't comprehend what "spam" means and if, indeed, that was spam, you sure selectively label someone else a "spammer" and conveniently and maybe, naively, leave others who are equally guilty of "spamming" out......Thankyouverymuch!

And may I add, is it a criterion for one to "contribute" before one can write. I dread how things would be in this forum if you are the Moderator/Administrator?

Obviously, humility is not & will never be your forte!

And you also can't seem to get the drift what another forumer was saying when he said that things might have been different (with the flyover) had the USJ Adun seat been held by the Opposition? Maybe, you can label this bloke as a spammer or troller too....

Oh, you are not staying in USJ I am told. But never mind, I don't think it is a criterion or prerequisite that someone must stay in USJ/SJaya in order to contribute or spam in this forum....!!!

[MOYSC]

I think we are all here to discuss on issues that affects us. In this case, it is the flyover link & its related issues. I'm merely pointing that out. If you're easily offended by such, then I have no say.

I can speak for myself that we should maintain our self dignity and not stoop to levels of personal attacks. I think the internet-speak for this is "flaming". That is all I have to say. Tq.



You sure must be a politically very naive person. Then, let's stay that way.

You certainly don't comprehend what "spam" means and if, indeed, that was spam, you sure selectively label someone else a "spammer" and conveniently and maybe, naively, leave others who are equally guilty of "spamming" out......Thankyouverymuch!

And may I add, is it a criterion for one to "contribute" before one can write. I dread how things would be in this forum if you are the Moderator/Administrator?

Obviously, humility is not & will never be your forte!

And you also can't seem to get the drift what another forumer was saying when he said that things might have been different (with the flyover) had the USJ Adun seat been held by the Opposition? Maybe, you can label this bloke as a spammer or troller too....

Oh, you are not staying in USJ I am told. But never mind, I don't think it is a criterion or prerequisite that someone must stay in USJ/SJaya in order to contribute or spam in this forum....!!!

[JoeJaffar]

apprently, it's reported in today's The Sun that the flyover will be built afterall.

[pcyeoh]

Joe, can you link us to that piece of news. Officially, MPSJ has not communicated with those who have submitted their formal objections about its decision. By right they should. Anyone of you received such letters?

[tan_r]

The Sun, 3 April 2006
Selangor okays Subang flyover
by Maria J. Dass

SUBANG JAYA: The controversial Batu Tiga-USJ 3 flyover link has been approved by the Selangor government.
Additional features have been incorporated into the project, taking into account the residents' concerns with noise pollution, intrusion of heavy vehicles from Batu Tiga and the safety of students of nearby schools.

These include a sound barrier, a pedestrian bridge for the school in USJ 12 and a gantry to prevent heavy vehicles from using the route.

Subang Jaya Municipal Council president Datuk Mohd Arif Ab Rahman said the link will also be connected to the Kesas Highway.

"Motorists from USJ 3 can get on and off the Kesas Highway, while those from USJ 19 (sic) can get onto the highway but will not have access from the highway to USJ 19 (sic)," he said after the council's March full board meeting.

The flyover linking Subang Heights and USJ Heights to Persiaran Tujuan received fierce opposition from USJ 3 residents, who are nearest to the link.

The residents said the link would add to traffic woes in Subang Jaya and affect their quality of life.

However, Subang Heights residents welcomed the additional link to their present, and only, access road to Batu Tiga.

Several other residents in Subang Jaya also felt that the link would be an additional access road and traffic dispersal system to reduce the infamous traffic congestion in their township.

[pcyeoh]

Thank you Raymond. The battle is over though I find it strange that the Selangor goverment can make a decision on this matter when it is the local council's jurusdiction to do so as spelt out in the Town and Country Planning Act. This can be deemed as interference by the Mentri Besar. But on the other hand it was us who sought his assistance so can't blame him.

There are three errors in this report but can't blame the reporter who is not a resident here. I think MPSJ was not clear on this matter.The flyover linking Subang Heights and USJ Heights to Persiaran Tujuan received fierce opposition from USJ 3 residents, who are nearest to the link. The residents are actually those living in USJ 3ABCD.

"Motorists from USJ 3 can get on and off the Kesas Highway, while those from USJ 19 (sic) can get onto the highway but will not have access from the highway to USJ 19 (sic)," he said after the council's March full board meeting. The USJ 19 precinct is miles away. Here, the YDP is referring to SS 19.


Subang Jaya Municipal Council president Datuk Mohd Arif Ab Rahman said the link will also be connected to the Kesas Highway. The KESAS Link is not part of the the flyover over KESAS at Batu Tiga. The KESAS link is a sweetener MPSJ is offering to the USJ community at large as the link to KESAS is at the Jalan Tujuan flyover and not at Batu Tiga.


"Motorists from USJ 3 can get on and off the Kesas Highway, while those from USJ 19 (sic) can get onto the highway but will not have access from the highway to USJ 19 (sic)," he said after the council's March full board meeting. The reason why the SS 19 will not have access from the KESAS Highway is there is no land at the SS 19 quadrant. So this will be known as the Tiga Kaki KESAS Access (TKKA). The owner of that corner house which is just 5 metre away from the Tujuan Flyover has sealed off his bedroom windows many years ago as he needs all the privacy he can. Sorry folks, free show has been discontinued. So the accesses will be built on "three legs" instead of the usual 4. I wonder whether the Jalan Tujuan users welcome this bonus of the Link Kedua to KESAS similar to that in Jalan Kewajipan. Luckily there is no exit for traffic from Shah Alam at this point or else the horrendous congestion at the exit at Jalan Kewajipan will be diverted here. Please share you thoughts on this Tiga Kaki KESAS Access (TKKA) here.

[bobkee]

The way many concerned folks have been excluded from the whole decision making process by people who were supposed to be organising the opposition to this project kinda made this a foregone conclusion.

Main reason why I've been observing this thread but not really contributing much .. what to do? We can talk and talk and suggest and suggest but what actually goes on in the negotiations and the people who submit the opposition remains a mystery to many of us. Funny that while we can demand transparency from the local government et al, we tolerate this type of opacity from our own civic action groups.

Methinks there are lessons to be learnt here.

[bobkee]

Anyway .. to be fair .. there were lots of folks who sincerely worked hard to take on the establishment and vested interests in this matter. I salute you all and would like to say chin up .. this is just one battle lost. Count the blessings to date, the battles won so far and the friends made along the way.

This community is unique in the sense that it can mobilise itself quite quickly when push turns to shove and usually perform quite credibly. So, even though this may seem like a disempowering experience .. let's not give them the privilege of enjoying that "victory" :)

[pcyeoh]

For many who have partook in this fight, I know many have given up even before the fat lady sings. As I have said earlier, many threw in their towel in the first round and other one by one chucked in their sarongs and saris when the tough got going. But there is one person I really salute and till now have not given up. She is fighting on a different front right now. I am sad that along the way while she was temporarily down, there are others who actually kicked her. Saying that she does not even live in USJ is also hitting her below the belt. This young lady lives in the thick of the action front. Where are you all when it was time to be counted? After the battle has been lost, many critics are beginning to step forward saying what ought to be done or not done.

Like Bob says, we may have lost but let us learn a lesson from this lost battle. Just don't leave anyone out especially they first came forward to join us. We just don't dump them. There are battles that we have won - like the USJ 8 police station and lately reduce to ashes the USJ 11 apartment. Remember we managed to stop 2 food courts and shrung the 30 storey USJ 17 condominium to mere double story. Let us also not forget the NPE highway which was set back by a couple of weeks to go back to drawing board to meet the local residents demand for some safety features. We also manage to hold the fort that the Tesco Link is on hold and the there will be two pedestrain crossing bridges to the SMK USJ 12 and the SMK USJ 13 when none was offered in the first place. Another victory to be announced soon when MPSJ goes ahead to erect the gantry to prevent heavy trucks plying not only along Jalan Usaha but also Jalan Setia. MPSJ will also soon install lightings at all playgrounds. They have also allocated RM 17,000 per JKP for Mesra Rakyat for which JKP Zon 3 will have a New Year Eve countdown end of the year. This is giving back to the community what they owe us.

Count all this little blessings one by one and notice what God has done rather than one big disappointment what others have screwed up. Let us not break up what we have built and use this to pressure the authority to be accountable. To all those who have contributed, syabas. To all those who just know how to criticise destructively, repent and join us. To all those fence sitters, you should start to look under your butts for the fence you are sitting one is full of barb wires which you did not realise.

[PeterHng]

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/4/central/13827997&sec=central

The Star
Metro Central
Tuesday April 4, 2006

USJ-Batu Tiga flyover to be built as planned

Dharmender Singh at the Subang jaya municipal council full board meeting

THE proposed flyover linking USJ 3A, B, C and D to Batu Tiga in Shah Alam will be built as planned.

Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) president Datuk Mohd Arif Abdul Rahman said Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo, had decided that the project would go on but with additional works to safeguard the interests of the affected residents.

He said the project would now include a sound barrier and a pedestrian bridge near the schools in USJ 12.

He said a gantry would be placed at both the USJ 3 and Batu Tiga ends of the flyover to prevent heavy vehicles from using it while three ramps would be built to connect Persiaran Tujuan to the Shah Alam Expressway (SAE).

“With the ramps motorists heading towards the Federal Highway along Persiaran Tujuan will be able to enter the SAE and head towards Shah Alam while vehicles from Seri Petaling along the SAE will be able to head up into Persiaran Tujuan to head towards the USJ areas.

“Those travelling from the direction of the Federal Highway along Persiaran Tujuan too will be able to join the SAE and head towards Seri Petaling,” he said.

He said the link to the SAE from Persiaran Tujuan would help disperser traffic along the stretch and any increase in traffic volume resulting from the USJ 3-Batu Tiga link.

It was reported in StarMetro on March 9 that residents in USJ 3A, B, C and D did not want the RM20mil flyover as it cause congestion along Persiaran Setia that has already a heavy traffic flow currently.

They were also concerned about the safety of USJ 12 school students and noise pollution as homes at USJ 3D would only be 15-18m away from the proposed link.

The council held three public hearing sessions and used the reasons for objection from the residents to prepare a paper that was submitted to the state government for a decision.

Mohd Arif said the council did not have the details of when work would begin or how long it would take as yet.

[Firefly]

Now more traffic will be added.

As an advice to the residents, create all sorts of problems for the people constructing the work. This can be like parking to block the construction machines to making police reports of noise disturbance. Have functions. ie tents across the road and etc etc.

Make sure you delay the work as much as possible.

[sonicgurl]

can't this be stop at all :( .. .since a lot of us also signed the petition to stop the building...

USJ jam will be worst in a few year time then... :(

[JoeJaffar]

At least, there's a provision to add 3 ramps at Tujuan; 2 into Kesas & 1 out of Kesas. If these are ever built, fast. It may not be what those in USJ3ABCD wanted, but it gives options to road users of USJ to get onto KESAS without having to go through the Summit interchange. Or those in Subang Jaya can head to Bkt Jalil, thru Kesas, without having to go through Metro roundabout and Kewajipan.

[pcyeoh]

can't this be stop at all :( .. .since a lot of us also signed the petition to stop the building...

USJ jam will be worst in a few year time then... :(
What do you mean in a few years's time? It is getting worst everyday now. Today I noticed another 17 cars, 5 bikes and1 truck more on the road compared to yesterday ....ok lah 15 cars, 3 bikes and 1 truck extra.

[yokeimm]

One thing is certain though, we will have to content with more traffic on Jalan Setia. And life goes on.....

[satigue]

i wonder how much our MB got from Berjaya. just say yes only....his bank a/c filled up overnite?

[Teeque]

.....As an advice to the residents, create all sorts of problems for the people constructing the work. This can be like parking to block the construction machines to making police reports of noise disturbance. Have functions. ie tents across the road and etc etc.

Make sure you delay the work as much as possible.

Errr....how abt using it as a temporary dumpsite and all residents dump your refuse (in anger) there?

No one will look...promise.

[MOYSC]

[url]He said the project would now include a sound barrier and a pedestrian bridge near the schools in USJ 12.

He said a gantry would be placed at both the USJ 3 and Batu Tiga ends of the flyover to prevent heavy vehicles from using it while three ramps would be built to connect Persiaran Tujuan to the Shah Alam Expressway (SAE).


Why isn't safety at PGB's gas pipelines addressed by the MPSJ? Yes, building gantry bars will prevent heavy vehicles from Batu Tiga Industrial Zone and avoid further stress on pipelines at Persiaran Setia (the road fronting SM USJ12).

However, does it addresses the fact that the existing Taman Perindustrian UEP is also feeding in loads of heavy vehicles into Persiaran Setia on a daily basis??? Perhaps, the same standard should apply - which is to build gantry bars for this factory area too. But then again, how is it possible when Persiaran Setia is their only exit? :confused: :confused: :confused:

As long as houses are built too close to the pipelines, we should not take chances and risk safety of lives and properties! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Can I suggest that the JKPs to highlight this issue to the MPSJ and request them to hold a session with the residents on 'damage control' before they hastily decide to build the flyover??? Note : this was a pre-agreed condition during our 3rd (last) public hearing with the MPSJ! Both Dato Lee and Dato Mohd Arif agreed remember???

[Firefly]

Errr....how abt using it as a temporary dumpsite and all residents dump your refuse (in anger) there?

No one will look...promise.

Good idea. At least I have a place to throw my old shoerack. Just say the word... I drive by that place one evening. :D

[MOYSC]

Here are some of the important facts about natural gas that everyone should know irregardless whether your house is near the gas pipelines :

1) Main composition - Methane (87.3% typical percentage) (a highly flammable gas)

2) Vapour density = 0.61 - 0.69 (Air density = 1)
- since it is less dense, it can rise & dissipate very quickly into its surrounding area. In the presence of a spark, it can cause a major fire breakout or even a series of explosions!

3) Flamability in Air --> LEL = 5% UEL = 15%
- LEL (Lower Explosion Limit) & UEL (Upper Explosion Limit)
- these figures generally mean that in the presence of just merely 5-15% in air, natural gas is already highly flammable!

4) Reactivity
- It readily forms flammable/explosive mixtures with air in the presence of catalysts or sources of ignition
- Violent or explosive reactions can occur betwen natural gas and oxidizing agents, such as chlorine, bromine pentafluoride, etc.
- It explodes spontaneously when mixed with chorine dioxide

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Ok, this might sound very technical, but it can be easily explained via the following equation :

Natural gas. . . . . . . . . .ignition source. . . . .KA BOOM!!!
(inert at room temp) ----------------------> (explosion)

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Since the gas pipelines are so close to some of our homes, the most likely ignition sources would be :

sparks/friction generated from using shavers, radios, electrical cooking appliances, dropping of tools, torch lights, our vehicles' exhaust pipes, and yes - our Handphones too!

Note : it's just too easy to spark off an explosion!!!!!!!

This is why houses should not be built too close to gas pipelines! Same reason to why we should not use handphones or smoke in petrol stations! It is a fact that no one can deny!

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Meanwhile, why an oxidation pond at USJ12 should not be built so close to the pipelines???

It contains both chlorine & chlorine dioxide chemicals which can cause violent explosions when mixed with a natural gas in a leaking or ruptured pipeline!

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Some sources of :
a) chlorine dioxide - a chemical used in oxidation ponds to reduce organic by-products, a household bleaching agent, present in some pesticides;

b) chlorine - found in our municipal supplied water as a disinfectant, found in oxidation ponds for disinfection purposes, found in plastics, household solvents, agrochemicals & pharmaceuticals.

************************************************** ********

I am not trying to frighten anyone but merely informing the facts about potential natural gas pipeline dangers.

If this is NOT important to YOU, then perhaps kidnapping, road accidents, burglary, man slaughtering would equally be of no importance at all...

[Teeque]

Good idea. At least I have a place to throw my old shoerack. Just say the word... I drive by that place one evening. :D

Someone beat us to it. An old fridge and wardrobe has been left there unceremoniously. Didnt even need the welcoming party and opening ceremony...

[MOYSC]

Act wisely! Just don't get caught & summoned! :)


Someone beat us to it. An old fridge and wardrobe has been left there unceremoniously. Didnt even need the welcoming party and opening ceremony...

[evelynlim]

With the construction of this flyover, will the prices/values of the houses in USJ3 appreciate or depreciate? I was told by a real estate agent a few days ago that USJ3 is a better place to stay as compare to USJ2 and the values of the houses in USJ3 appreciate faster & can demand more :confused:
So is it a good news for USJ3 residents or bad news :eek:

[JoeJaffar]

better access = price appreciate

but, can also become

better access = more traffic = price depreciate

[Teeque]

:D yep, 2 sides to the coin.
In SJ nowadays, better access means more traffic due to our unique township being surrounded by highways. For the business community, its good but for residents its bad.

[MOYSC]

Just checked with DOE's website & found that USJ3ABCD residential area did not have an EIA approved report nor the so-called approved Batu 3-USJ flyover (as indicated by Dato Lee earlier). Possibility of its absence :

1) DOE did not update their website (unlikely, as I've confirmed with them)
2) Lengkap Teratai/Sime UEP did not conduct EIA study
3) Report just went missing!
4) EIA was not required???

More shocking news on the gas pipelines with respect to Sime UEP's housing development....

If the EIA reporting was correct in DOE's website, it appears that PGB had constructed their PGU Loop 2 (the gas pipelines running below Per Setia) 5 years before its EIA was approved.... See EIA reports in chronological order (as below).


EIA Reports in Chronological order

2005
Proposed Construction of Sales Gas Pipeline from Johor Bahru to Singapore

2000
Proposed Trans Thailand-M'sia LPG Pipeline Project -PNB
Risk & Hazard Analysis & Socio-Economic Study on the Proposed Tronoh Lateral Gas Pipeline, Perak - PGB

NOTE : Perhaps we should question why such risk study was conducted for Tronoh and not for USJ (a highly populated area with houses so close to their pipelines)

1998
Proposed Peninsula Gas Utilisation Loop 2 Project dari Segamat, Johor hingga ke Meru, Klang, Selangor -PGB
Proposed Centralised Utility Facility at Gebeng Industrial Estate, Kuantan, Pahang - PGB

NOTE : According to Petronas website, PGU 2 was completed in 1992 (a 714km trans-peninsular main pipeline connecting the western & southern parts of Pen. M'sia as well as Singapore). According to DOE's client charter, it only takes 5 months to generate a detailed EIA report. If this was true, then PGU Loop 2 was constructed prior to DOE's approval but possibly after Sime UEP's development!!!


1996
Sime UEP Industrial Park II (Ebor Estate), Mukim Dmsara, Daerah Petaling, Selangor

1995
Cadangan Projek 'Multi Product' pipeline dari Melaka ke Dengkil, Selangor
Cadangan Projek Peninsula Gas Utilisation (PGU Loop 1) Terengganu, Pahang & Johor - Petroleum Nasional Berhad
Stesen Pemampat Gas Petronas di Segamat, Johor

1992
Cadangan Peninsula Gas Utilisation Stage III - Petroleum Nasional Berhad

1991
Cadangan Projek Perumahan & Perindustrian UEP-subang Jaya 2 Seluas 314 ha di Subang

NOTE : According to SimeNet website, Subang Jaya 2 span across an area of 788 hectares (fr. 1988 till 1996) & an expansion of another 288 hectares (later phases of USJ, excluding Putra Heights). Does it mean that EIA was not done on the rest the other land areas located within SJ 2 or someone had misreported somewhere along the lines?

1990
GPP Fasa II dan III di Kerteh, Kemaman, Terengganu - Petroleum Nasional Berhad

- End -

[fulat2k]

Just noticed an advertisement today in the Sun on page 11 on Subang Heights. The link is supposedly to be built as planned. It even includes the newspaper article screencap. UGH...

[MOYSC]

Just noticed an advertisement today in the Sun on page 11 on Subang Heights. The link is supposedly to be built as planned. It even includes the newspaper article screencap. UGH...

Yes, the link will be built as planned & it had already been broadcasted all over the media (ie. the Star, Sun, etc.). However, an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) study has yet to be conducted. According to the Department of Environment (DOE), there isn't any at the moment.

As long as the authorities/developer are responsible for what they'll be building/constructing, no further questions will be asked. However, we should NOT tolerate any irresponsible acts!

:)

[satigue]

i saw a few guys wearing Petronas jackets at Pesiaran Setia Gas pipe(beside the sewerage pond) a few days ago talking & pointing here & there while on my way out from USJ 3ABCD. what r they up to? anybody else noticed them?

[pcyeoh]

Eversince Chris Fletcher pointed out the danger of a gigantic gas explosion at the Jalan Usaha end, Petronas Gas attention was also drawn by Nina or better known as MOYC at this end - Jalan Setia. Suddenly the giant was awaken by these two people to look into the area their gas pipeline is tranversing and how MPSJ being the custodian of the safety of this area is approving the building of houses and highway here like nobody business. They are indeed throwing caution tothe wind by approving houses that are built as near as 30 metre when the safety limit as spelt out by Petronas Gas is beyond the 80 metre zone. I was told that the Petronas people have been going to all the factories to find out the tonnage of their trucks that are using Jalan Setia everyday. They are also mapping out the safety buffer of this area and will come up with some recommendation. Hopefully, one of them is to stop the proposed Batu Tiga flyover. You can bet that the new flyover over the Kesas Highway will disallow any vehicle weighing above 5 tons to use the flyover if it is ever built. As far as housing developers are concerned, as long as there are money to be made, they could not be bothered about the danger they are posing to the existing residents. If we are not satisfied with the action to be taken to safeguard our well being, then Plan B will be implemented. We don't give up so easily.

[MOYSC]

i saw a few guys wearing Petronas jackets at Pesiaran Setia Gas pipe(beside the sewerage pond) a few days ago talking & pointing here & there while on my way out from USJ 3ABCD. what r they up to? anybody else noticed them?

Perhaps they might hv just started to get worried that the 'permanent water feature' next to the sewerage plant may be corroding their pipelines.

If you recall, corrosion is the ultimate threat to any steel pipes and its weld joints. Hopefully, it won't leak before it gets detected by Petronas 'SCADA' system. With high SCADA false alarm rates, I wonder if this will be the perfect settting for a new Hollywood disaster movie................

[U_four]

If you recall, corrosion is the ultimate threat to any steel pipes and its weld joints. Hopefully, it won't leak before it gets detected by Petronas 'SCADA' system. With high SCADA false alarm rates, I wonder if this will be the perfect settting for a new Hollywood disaster movie................

To check the condition of the underground pipe, they use what is term as "pigging" activities which runs along the pipeline. There's many type of "pig" depending on what's the purpose of running it in the pipeline. It's done regularly.

The SCADA system just telemetered the operating parameter of the pipeline system eg. valve status, etc.

[MOYSC]

These are some proactive approaches which should be undertaken before any pipeline incidences were to happen (report summary taken from a pipeline incident happened at Bellingham, Washington in 1999) :

What the govt or its controlling body should do :

1. Coordination of information and provision of technical assistance to local planning and siting authorities and the state-wide siting body and facilitation of ongoing interaction among the industry, communities, emergency response providers and the general public;

2. Development of data and establishment of special standards applicable to existing and proposed pipelines for protection of environmentally sensitive areas and population centers;

3. To enhance public education and awareness efforts, a single statewide number should be established for call-before-digging notification;


What our Local Council should do :

1) Local community planning should identify and practice methods of relaying information to the public in the event of a pipeline spill or leak that could affect the community;

2) Local community education programs should address standards for public alert notification and appropriate public responses to specific information provided;

3) Local governments conducting land use planning should include detailed topographical, land use and zoning mapping of pipeline rights-of-way and spillway runoff paths;


What the Pipeline Operators should do :

1) Pipeline operators should provide response planning and program development at the neighborhood and community levels;

2) Pipeline operators should work with local first responders in jurisdictions housing transmission pipelines to initiate annual or biennial community coordination and planning.

__________________________________________________ _____________

Are any of these done? No public awareness whatsoever was conducted by any authorities. The general public are not even aware that there is such a thing as the "Petronas Public Safety brochure"! Perhaps such brochures were only required to satisfy some regulations or system requirements rather than its main intended purpose- public safety???

[MOYSC]

To check the condition of the underground pipe, they use what is term as "pigging" activities which runs along the pipeline. There's many type of "pig" depending on what's the purpose of running it in the pipeline. It's done regularly.

The SCADA system just telemetered the operating parameter of the pipeline system eg. valve status, etc.

You're right. The pigging software modules are linked to the SCADA systems. Nowadays we hear of 'smart pigs'. 'Smart pigs' do hv their limitations too. I was told that all these 'smart' systems hv difficulty detecting 'small' leaks! Well, perhaps the word 'small' is nothing major & its up to anyone's imagination...

[resident3D]

This truck was parked on top of the pipeline last Friday (see attached photos I took). Saw driver of the truck with its pillion boarded a waiting car across the road, apparently going for lunch (it was abt 12:50pm at that time).

I am sure this truck (with crane on top it) weighs more than the limit allowed to pass over the pipeline, what more stopping on top of it!

[MOYSC]

Hi there,

Thank you for the pixs. It is rather unfortunate that PGB had indicated that there are no weight limits on road crossings over their pipelines. They had refused to elaborate further when I questioned them on why Jln Usaha had a 5 tonne limit. I believe that based on our situation at Jln Setia, the authorities (incl. PGB) have all the reasons to hide the truth from us. I'm sure we all know why...

Anyhow, houses built less than 20m away from the pipelines (EIA std should be 80m) remains as an unanswered question :confused: . PGB indicated that they are not responsible for building homes - thats all! So, it is now up to us to imagine the consequences...

Perhaps, it is safe lah! This is how I see it when the majority living closeby the pipelines don't seem to have any reaction towards it. I just thank God that my house is not near the pipelines... :)





This truck was parked on top of the pipeline last Friday (see attached photos I took). Saw driver of the truck with its pillion boarded a waiting car across the road, apparently going for lunch (it was abt 12:50pm at that time).

I am sure this truck (with crane on top it) weighs more than the limit allowed to pass over the pipeline, what more stopping on top of it!

[jianwei85]

Look at MPSJ expertise...Good..everytime ppl renovate...they will charge bins...What if the MPSJ renovate their brains? (think-tanks) They won't lose anything..and not just focus on cement kerbs..cement encasing for traffic lights n etc..

That would make taxpayer willingly pay assessment 4 their efforts..

After that, they should also be able to judge very well the distance of houses AND highways located too near to the pipelines..

[jadewhite]

Look at MPSJ expertise...Good..everytime ppl renovate...they will charge bins...What if the MPSJ renovate their brains? (think-tanks) They won't lose anything..and not just focus on cement kerbs..cement encasing for traffic lights n etc..

That would make taxpayer willingly pay assessment 4 their efforts..

After that, they should also be able to judge very well the distance of houses AND highways located too near to the pipelines..

Renovation on brain... Its definetely a no go. They are too complacent. Its high time to give them a whip at their a**

[orchipalar]

Err buddies...heard recently that there may be a tussle going on between the affected developers...over at Subang Heights...on which parties are supposed to pay more for the costs of constructing proposed flyover bridge project which may cost like RM30 millions(or was it RM50 millions?)...or who gets to pay less...or something like that...which was highly objected by thousands of the affected residents of USJ 3ABCD...n USJ in general.

[jasonbhlee]

The construction of the bridge is currently put on hold and Orchi is right about the tussle going on between the 2 parties. I hope the tussle continues.........

[orchipalar]

Err buddy...Orchi prays the tussle will never end...for the sakes of USJ/SJ residents...

[Teeque]

Frm the Sun:

The Sun, 3 April 2006
Selangor okays Subang flyover
by Maria J. Dass

SUBANG JAYA: The controversial Batu Tiga-USJ 3 flyover link has been approved by the Selangor government.
Additional features have been incorporated into the project, taking into account the residents' concerns with noise pollution, intrusion of heavy vehicles from Batu Tiga and the safety of students of nearby schools.

These include a sound barrier, a pedestrian bridge for the school in USJ 12 and a gantry to prevent heavy vehicles from using the route.

Subang Jaya Municipal Council president Datuk Mohd Arif Ab Rahman said the link will also be connected to the Kesas Highway.

"Motorists from USJ 3 can get on and off the Kesas Highway, while those from USJ 19 (sic) can get onto the highway but will not have access from the highway to USJ 19 (sic)," he said after the council's March full board meeting.

The flyover linking Subang Heights and USJ Heights to Persiaran Tujuan received fierce opposition from USJ 3 residents, who are nearest to the link.

The residents said the link would add to traffic woes in Subang Jaya and affect their quality of life.

However, Subang Heights residents welcomed the additional link to their present, and only, access road to Batu Tiga.

Several other residents in Subang Jaya also felt that the link would be an additional access road and traffic dispersal system to reduce the infamous traffic congestion in their township.

Frm the Star:

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/stor...997&sec=central

The Star
Metro Central
Tuesday April 4, 2006

USJ-Batu Tiga flyover to be built as planned

Dharmender Singh at the Subang jaya municipal council full board meeting

THE proposed flyover linking USJ 3A, B, C and D to Batu Tiga in Shah Alam will be built as planned.

Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) president Datuk Mohd Arif Abdul Rahman said Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo, had decided that the project would go on but with additional works to safeguard the interests of the affected residents.

He said the project would now include a sound barrier and a pedestrian bridge near the schools in USJ 12.

He said a gantry would be placed at both the USJ 3 and Batu Tiga ends of the flyover to prevent heavy vehicles from using it while three ramps would be built to connect Persiaran Tujuan to the Shah Alam Expressway (SAE).

“With the ramps motorists heading towards the Federal Highway along Persiaran Tujuan will be able to enter the SAE and head towards Shah Alam while vehicles from Seri Petaling along the SAE will be able to head up into Persiaran Tujuan to head towards the USJ areas.

“Those travelling from the direction of the Federal Highway along Persiaran Tujuan too will be able to join the SAE and head towards Seri Petaling,” he said.

He said the link to the SAE from Persiaran Tujuan would help disperser traffic along the stretch and any increase in traffic volume resulting from the USJ 3-Batu Tiga link.

It was reported in StarMetro on March 9 that residents in USJ 3A, B, C and D did not want the RM20mil flyover as it cause congestion along Persiaran Setia that has already a heavy traffic flow currently.

They were also concerned about the safety of USJ 12 school students and noise pollution as homes at USJ 3D would only be 15-18m away from the proposed link.

The council held three public hearing sessions and used the reasons for objection from the residents to prepare a paper that was submitted to the state government for a decision.

Mohd Arif said the council did not have the details of when work would begin or how long it would take as yet.

Dear Subang folks,

I am pleased to announce to all Subang folks that our township will be innundated with more traffic and thereby causing you all untold inconveniences with heavier traffic jams than experienced now. Your schoolchildren studying at the USJ 12 and USJ 4 schools will face ever more dangers frm the increased traffic, both frm passenger and heavy vehicles. The Batu Tiga flyover would begin construction soon. But thats not the shocker. In approving the project, the MB imposed 3 explicit conditions (highlighted in red in the above media articles) to safeguard the safety and interests of Subang residents for the project to go ahead:
1) that pedestrian bridges would be built near USJ 12 schools
2) gantries to be built to prevent heavy vehicles frm the Batu 3 industrial areas frm utilising Persiaran Setia which crosses a trans-peninsular main gas pipeline and flow into the already congested Persiaran Tujuan
3) that additional ramps will be constructed at the Tujuan flyover into Kesas at SS19 to further disperse expected increase in traffic frm the new Batu 3 flyover.

Shocker #1: Pls do note that the above 3 pre-conditions imposed by the MB will not materialise at all, meaning they will not be built!

Shocker #2: At the public hearing, it was stated that Subang Heights developer, Berjaya Properties, had paid for its share of the flyover costs. It is now revealed that Berjaya has refused to pay for its share but Sime UEP will still carry on with the flyover as an access to their sizeable new properties at Batu 3 side. And now since Sime has to bear the costs alone for the flyover, MPSJ will not impose on them the 3 earlier conditions set by the MB for the flyover approval. The reason? It will be too costly for Sime UEP!!!

Is the MB's word not worth its weight? and i'm getting the feeling that this new YDP is not resident/ratepayer friendly. projects are being bulldozed thru without thought given to residents' concerns, dormant projects suddenly gets a new lease of life ala Subang Ria, state services not up to mark and enforcement non-existent, by-laws and statutes not adhered to, and the might of a giant incumbent developer could so easily sway MPSJ to 'new opportunities'. So, whats next, YDP? the Top Speed condo at USJ11 to be revived and approved in the quiet?? :eek: yea, LA21 indeed... :confused:

Folks, we are being screwed! happy traffic-jamming and tell ur kids to watch out for that speeding truck...

[birdy]

I thought there is currently some disagreement of the cost sharing between Berjaya and SIME thus the project was stalled??? Has either of the party compromise on the sharing?? :confused:

[Teeque]

I thought there is currently some disagreement of the cost sharing between Berjaya and SIME thus the project was stalled??? Has either of the party compromise on the sharing?? :confused:
read shocker #2...

[birdy]

read shocker #2...
Thanks for the clarification. Wow... that was a shocking note - how can MB uplift these 3 conditions.... considering the schools and residential area nearby. :mad:

[MOYSC]

Shocker #1: Pls do note that the above 3 pre-conditions imposed by the MB will not materialise at all, meaning they will not be built!

Shocker #2: At the public hearing, it was stated that Subang Heights developer, Berjaya Properties, had paid for its share of the flyover costs. It is now revealed that Berjaya has refused to pay for its share but Sime UEP will still carry on with the flyover as an access to their sizeable new properties at Batu 3 side. And now since Sime has to bear the costs alone for the flyover, MPSJ will not impose on them the 3 earlier conditions set by the MB for the flyover approval. The reason? It will be too costly for Sime UEP!!!



Can we confirm this & highlight it to the press? Looks like "NO" LA21, govt (represented by polliticians) & local council can help the people if "the unseen " have already decided to go ahead with their "plans".

Our only hope is via the press - that also depends on whether it was interesting enough for them to do so....

Do We still hv anymore RIGHTS in our own country??? :mad:

[AllUrban]

time for a protest...start at Subang Ria, convoy (drive/walk) to USJ3

or two protests...one starts at Subang Ria, one at USJ, convoy to MPSJ building....

lots of signs and honking horns...make sure that the press is there to cover it...

SJ and USJ residents...standing together...mad....and not going to take it anymore...

cheers, m

[Teeque]

Thanks for the clarification. Wow... that was a shocking note - how can MB uplift these 3 conditions.... considering the schools and residential area nearby. :mad:
the MB did not uplift the conditions. its the developer who is sidestepping them on the basis of the prohibitive cost of the conditions...

[birdy]

Though we are living in democratic country but I feel nothing much different from communist country. If the authorities feel should go, it will go now matter how we protest.... :rolleyes: well, at least in most cases.....

1) looking at the toll increase, we protest but in the end, we have to pay for the toll increase as well.

2) building of flyover passing over the residential area of Sri Petaling, at one time, the residents protested but still the flyover was built

3) in Penang - Penang Outer Ring Road (PORR)... peopel protested for it but it still went ahead ... now people have to adapt

I believe there are many other things. So, is protesting really help? :o
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[Eastern Citizen]

Though we are living in democratic country but I feel nothing much different from communist country. If the authorities feel should go, it will go now matter how we protest.... :rolleyes: well, at least in most cases.....
..........................So, is protesting really help? :o
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..............only through the ballot box and even then, only if there are enough protest votes.

[jasonbhlee]

Though we are living in democratic country but I feel nothing much different from communist country. If the authorities feel should go, it will go now matter how we protest.... :rolleyes: well, at least in most cases.....

1) looking at the toll increase, we protest but in the end, we have to pay for the toll increase as well.

2) building of flyover passing over the residential area of Sri Petaling, at one time, the residents protested but still the flyover was built

3) in Penang - Penang Outer Ring Road (PORR)... peopel protested for it but it still went ahead ... now people have to adapt

I believe there are many other things. So, is protesting really help? :o
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The difference between the protests that we carry out here compared to neighbouring countries, eg Thailand, are very timid and non sustaining. For protests to actually change the course, it has to be done with preseverance and people coming out by the thousands. We have a lot to learn from Thailand and Europe.

[ksj_cool]

pls call karam singh walia and hold a press conference, announce a date of protest..

[MOYSC]

pls call karam singh walia and hold a press conference, announce a date of protest..

Who's to call? Who will eventually support? I find that many people out there just ain't bothered to help or even support others as long as they are NOT directly affected.

Even if they were affected, there's always someone else to do the dirty job & would sit and wait until the "cows fly"!

For this reason, that is why it is so EASY for our authorities and our dear politicians to IGNORE/BULLY us whenever there are serious matters to be addressed!

Sometimes, I do feel that we all DESERVE what we have and are today! There is SERIOUS lack of togetherness and community conscience!

Jason, we're never going to be like the Thais nor the Europeans. Serious thing we all lack - understanding our RIGHTS & the laws protecting ourselves!

[birdy]

Do you think organizing a campaign just like those Ceramah held by DAP before the eletions help? If so, may be someone has to take the initiative to organize one in USJ 3, 3a,b,c,d community. I believe there are lots of people not aware of this as I honestly admit that if I did not join this forum, I would not be aware of this as well. ;)

[Teeque]

birdy, u'd hv to browse thru this thread to know of its history, the players, the 'manipulators', the protests and national publicity, the political workings and the 'dark forces' at work etc. plenty to digest and learn of a community up in arms against a behemoth developer and a non-apathetic local council, which is the case now with the Subang Ria issue. for 2 years straight, this was the top thread in usj.com besides the word association game thread...

oh, and a nugget for u to digest here (http://mydailynuggets.blogspot.com/2005/10/crying-shame.html)... ;)

[MOYSC]

Another "ackward" development coming up folks! MSPJ, The Batu 3 flyover, the new kiosks, the SM USJ12 school parents & kids and the inconsiderate road users & heavy vehicles from Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park, Batu 3 will all help worsen the traffic condition in USJ/Subang.

And we call our neighbourhood a LOVELY place to live in - KOTA NIAGA KOTA KEDIAMAN IDAMAN!?!? - whatever phrase used on signboards. Pls correct if necessary.

see new development right next to Persiaran Setia leading into the Batu 3 flyover :
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18142&page=4

[yokeimm]

is this it? are we done for?

[Teeque]

is this it? are we done for?
we are not sure too. ever since a new ydp came in, all these projects are suddenly fasttracked and bulldozed all over subang, even dormant ones hv a new lease of life... :confused:

[orchipalar]

Err buddies...is this the development... (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/6/28/business/18151894&sec=business) that would be accessed by the proposed flyover bridge project...?

"At present, the site has direct access to the west of USJ and the north of the Federal Highway."

Err...but something seems to be not right in the direction...?

[Rocky19]

Err buddies...is this the development... (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/6/28/business/18151894&sec=business) that would be accessed by the proposed flyover bridge project...?

"At present, the site has direct access to the west of USJ and the north of the Federal Highway."

Err...but something seems to be not right in the direction...?
Orchi...they are saying things without saying it lo. BTW watch out for the high tension cables in usj heights...will bring you to great heights in long run. :rolleyes:

[MOYSC]

Dun worry coz' everything in our country is possible. Just build a "crooked" bridge thats all! PERIOD :)



Err buddies...is this the development... (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/6/28/business/18151894&sec=business) that would be accessed by the proposed flyover bridge project...?

"At present, the site has direct access to the west of USJ and the north of the Federal Highway."

Err...but something seems to be not right in the direction...?

[Killy77]

The problem with this bridge is that the developer proposed to have direct exit into KESAS. It was rejected by MPSJ/LLM. I heard the exit is going to be relocated to the persiaran tujuan overhead by order of the state govt. Who give the stupid idea also i dont know....

[orchipalar]

Err buddies...with the Historically NEW State Administration set to be in placed...would this controversial bridge project which is currently underway to link USJ3ABCD with USJ Heights...be halted...n reviewed?

[Teeque]

we certainly hope so. the last time, one man directed a sandiwara and one man rubber-stamped the project. what can the New Administration do?

[yokeimm]

work has started several months earlier. would we be able to stop it permanently? by the way, i called MPSJ two nights ago (11.03.08) to complain about the open burning carried out at this construction site. it happened about 8 ish in the evening.

[orchipalar]

Err buddies...if Orchi may suggest...the residents of USJ3ABCD n the affected residents in the USJ community...should soon bring the matter up with the NEW ADUN to see if the NEW Administration could review n reconsider their stance...

Good luck buddies...

[PeterHng]

Can we do that? Thot it was a done deal earlier on.. no? I'd give my support if it can be done.

[plantcloner]

Anything is possible....they can still feed the road into Kesas as has been counter proposed before.

[patrick]

Ask our new "YDP" PC Yeoh to take it up lah!

[Mat Bruce]

Pass by this morning and the signboard to build a flyover is there.

[xt900]

Pass by this morning and the signboard to build a flyover is there.

Actually it is not only Subang Heights, but also USJ Heights. The bridge is a selling point for both housing development.

[robertec]

Brought this thread up to refresh everyone's memory.

[sarawakian]

Perhaps the other way is to do what the Penans did in Sarawak, make a blockade. This will force them onto the table. But beware, we are talking bout dealing with developers, contractors and some powers that be. So unless people are united, you will only go so far.

[xfile007]

Wonder if anyone knows the latest update about this link?

[rajiv]

Wonder if anyone knows the latest update about this link?

The developers have to meet 5 conditions to open the bridge. They can only meet 4. The last one is a link to Kesas, which they said can't be done technically, and Kesas does not allow.

So, this matter will be brought to the state govt for their decision. No decision yet to date.

[ahtal68]

The developers have to meet 5 conditions to open the bridge. They can only meet 4. The last one is a link to Kesas, which they said can't be done technically, and Kesas does not allow.

Could you please update/highlight what were the other 4 conditions? Thank you.

[Raikonen]

The developers have to meet 5 conditions to open the bridge. They can only meet 4. The last one is a link to Kesas, which they said can't be done technically, and Kesas does not allow.

So, this matter will be brought to the state govt for their decision. No decision yet to date.

Meaning SD has to get approval from TS Khalid's office? Good luck.... :D

[PeterHng]

The developers have to meet 5 conditions to open the bridge. They can only meet 4. The last one is a link to Kesas, which they said can't be done technically, and Kesas does not allow.

So, this matter will be brought to the state govt for their decision. No decision yet to date.

no wonder the developer has stopped or tried to delay the sound barrier erection at our area (3A/8 and 3A/7) which bordered with KESAS/ELITE :mad:

YB Hannah (& Ken) has stressed during our various meetings with developer & MPSJ that the bridge would not be allowed to open without them resolving our sound barrier issue.

[rajiv]

Could you please update/highlight what were the other 4 conditions? Thank you.


I don't have a copy of that letter, but if i remember correctly, its some pedestrian bridges, resurface persiaran setia, street lights & traffic lights...

the problem is on the 5th condition, link to Kesas

[ivanhow]

What is the mitigation against influx of vehicles into the Industrial Zone and USJ from Subang Heights and Shah Alam via Subang Heights into USJ?

[ivanhow]

Anyone have seen these Truckers along Persiaran Setia?

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