Proposed Batu Tiga Flyover linking Persiaran Tujuan at USJ3ABCD [Archive] - Page 3

ivanhow

02-10-2005, 11:38 AM

...it's strictly OFF Limits to any unauthorised development...:)

Err...there are 2 loops of Giant 36"(internal diameter) high pressure gas pipelines welded together...n buried generally about 3 meters into the ground(nearly with Orchi in it too)...which was completed around year 2001 or so...

Err...by typical standards...normally these gas pipeline should have a life span between 20 to 40 years...unless if it suffers from any defects...or any accidential or premature ruptures(which is known to have happened in other parts of the world)...

Err... thank you Orchi... for the info (sure it is not OSA material huh! :p )

...Ahem...also heard some rumours going on for quite some time that...err...probably they may have plans to add...an additional Loop next to the existing ones...to feed the next expansion at Kapar Power Station...in Klang...err...but this could NOT be confirmed yet... ...:eek:
:o...... now this is somthing of a danger and... errr... a hazard too... for residents to ponder. And more so, when it is soo very close to residential housing... And to add another line will surely be a 'no..no.." to safety, not to mention that it is also a hindrance to the development of terrestrial infrastructure that is so much needed to connect communities together.

Just for added info... I was informed (thx to Chris Fletcher) that traffic loads wiz more than 4 (rear) wheels to bear the truck loads (like trailers and the like) are not allowed to roll over this gas pipeline path, including the P. Setia entering into USJ12/USJ3/USJ4 viscinity, and also the J. Usaha that humps over this gas pipeline as well. But, haven't we seen these trailers (Proton) passing these stretch almost on a daily basis? Any eye witnesses here?

What if one day there is a massive gas leak due to the high pressure of the gas being pumped into all the way from Kerteh? I can't imagine the massive danger that lies ahead. :eek: :eek: :eek: Izzin this a recipe for disaster in the making? :eek:

sairay

02-10-2005, 12:57 PM

Hi MOYSC/Rusman /All,

Thanx for being understanding patient and not emotional. I didn't know about the UEP gated community and etc. I wasn't hoping either that the flyover will be built. However I was aware on the brochure and UEP sales rep on this link when I purchase my property there. So to me the flyover is not important. I was commenting and giving opinion base on personal opinion and gauges from colleague and friends staying in USJ.

Like I had mention I had been staying in PJ for the past >15yrs. Sometimes I do wonder back then if we had people resident like you who can voice out and protest against the building of the LDP then life will be good. However till this day I'm not too sure whether anybody had complain or not cause I live quite near to the highway. I pressume you have seen the concrete sound barrier built almost along the whole stretch of the LDP.

Conclusion is life goes on, we make adjustment and adapt. I don't think (personal opinion) we can really expect everything to stand/sit still and remain the same. If LDP wasn't built and remain the same, I don't think the road will be able to cope with the whole PJ/SJ/USJ/Puchong population. I really hope you understand and know what I'm getting at. Yes its still jam but I have other alternative road to reach my home.

As for recommendation to ask my colleague to see their JKP, well I can tell you that they are the quiet, conservative and 'tidak apa' attitude people born from our own malaysian education system.

Regards

jasonbhlee

02-10-2005, 01:10 PM

Hi Sairay,

I agree with Rusman that from your posting you are a decent guy who give your opinion as well as listen to others. The flyover has been a total eyewash..not telling the whole story. It just mentioned of an additional link from USJ to Shah Alam/Batu Tiga. Of course anyoneone will jump with joy, just like the USJ1-Puchong link thru Tesco. If read just the big heading..sure..its fantastic. But you must know what can of worms we are opening. People from USJ will exit through the tunnel at Taman Jublee...there's where one big jam will occur. Don't think you can escape the jam. The people from Batu Tiga is not fighting for this link,only a few elitist from SH who neither wants to exit Batu Tiga or Kesas because their whole interest is in USJ/Subang. A further check on how it affects the whole traffic and safety status quo should be done...not serve the interest of the few. I am sure not all SH resident heights want to go into USJ..they want an exit yes....but some I believe wants it to Kesas.

orchipalar

02-10-2005, 01:18 PM

... now this is somthing of a danger and... errr... a hazard too... for residents to ponder. And more so, when it is soo very close to residential housing... And to add another line will surely be a 'no..no.." to safety, not to mention that it is also a hindrance to the development of terrestrial infrastructure that is so much needed to connect communities together.

Just for added info... I was informed (thx to Chris Fletcher) that traffic loads wiz more than 4 (rear) wheels to bear the truck loads (like trailers and the like) are not allowed to roll over this gas pipeline path, including the P. Setia entering into USJ12/USJ3/USJ4 viscinity, and also the J. Usaha that humps over this gas pipeline as well. But, haven't we seen these trailers (Proton) passing these stretch almost on a daily basis? Any eye witnesses here?

What if one day there is a massive gas leak due to the high pressure of the gas being pumped into all the way from Kerteh? I can't imagine the massive danger that lies ahead. :eek: :eek: :eek: Izzin this a recipe for disaster in the making? :eek:

Err...dear Ivan:)...Chris Fletcher has a valid concern...especially when the trucks are 'over laden'....:eek:

Ahem...that is why Orchi is shouting that no additional commercial traffic volumes would be allowed to operate across these PGU Loop 1&2 Gas Pipelines...

Err...every single road is designed n built to withstand...certain amount of load bearing pressures...from vehicles travelling over it...

Ahem...when ya take into consideration of it being residential roads...n in most circumstances...the norm could be around 6,000kgs per axle rating or less perhaps?...:o

Problem arises...when the so called Road Transport Department...along with JKR...had fairly recently...'allowed' this load per axle rating...to be increased to 10,000kgs per axle rating...ahem...WITHOUT taking ANY necessary steps to 'improve' the existing specifications on these freaking roads...to begin with...:rolleyes:

Coupled with 2 'abnormal' circumstances...err...one being that most transport operators do have the tendency to 'overload' their commercial vehicles...like those freaking dump trucks n general cargo trailers ferrying construction materials etc etc...ahem...n the second could be...err...the norm of having substandard built quality of the roads themselves...

Ahem...So!...ya can imagine how folks like Chris...n Orchi...are so much freaking against...the proposed freaking Flyovers to be built across to Central Sugar/ShahAlam/Subang HiTech/Subang Heights areas....

Err...in Orchi's opinion...though the Gas Pipelines were probably buried deep enough back then...under the residential roads mentioned...ahem...but it was done...before all the freaking 'developments' which we see today...

So...now ya don't want to have an increase of heavy traffic volume n frequency of them freaking overladen trucks going across those freaking Gas Pipelines...right?

Ahem...in any 'avoidable' event that...err...should any of these Gas Pipelines...suffers from any ruptures...err...'the least' that could happen...is having to shut down Kapar Power Station...partially or completely...:rolleyes

Err...the rest would be left to everyone own's imaginations...about its chain reactions from that sorta mishaps... :eek:

BTW...has anyone ever walks close to the signboards erected over the Gas Pipelines...to understand what the signs say...?:o

rusman

02-10-2005, 11:29 PM

I was made to understand that the schools in USJ12 will begin with 2 sessions next year.

It will be a nightmare duing lunchtime when the Taman TP workers clash with parents picking up school kids from morning session and dropping afternnon session. It is already very busy as it is. 2 seesions will make it worse.

With the propsoed flyover, I cannot visual how the traffic will be like.

ivanhow

03-10-2005, 03:38 AM

So it came to past...
My contention remains that both communities, USJ and SH, should sit down and work out a compromise solution and take the opportunity to press for concessions from the authorities before we even allow this bridge/flyover to be considered...

May I suggest that negotiation be the best approach where both parties can put forth their proposals for our ADUN to consider, and act upon it?

There cud not be a win-win if there is no room for negotiation...
Will our ADUN call up the two parties and let each party make their proposals as to how best to work out a viable solution where all will benefit in some ways...

... just my 2sen worth

rusman

03-10-2005, 09:09 PM

We are in The Star Metro Central page 2 today.

Teeque

05-10-2005, 04:10 AM

Heard from the grapevine today that the Flyover has NOT been approved by LLM as it is unfavorable for them to do so. Anyone who hv contacts within LLM can confirm this?

USJ27Resident

05-10-2005, 10:51 AM

Heard from the grapevine today that the Flyover has NOT been approved by LLM as it is unfavorable for them to do so. Anyone who hv contacts within LLM can confirm this?

Approved for where... link to KESAS.... or link to USJ? :confused:

Teeque

05-10-2005, 06:26 PM

Link to USJ. Anything going over the ROW of a highway needs LLM approval.

ivanhow

05-10-2005, 11:30 PM

May I ask, why wud there be a need for traffic from SA to flow into USJ if an exit to SAE is provided, unless he or she has a need to get into USJ or to Puchong. But, chances are that road users may not want to get into USJ if they can avoid it knowing the traffic is bad in USJ.

There are traffic going into SAE (Kesas) either east-bound or west-bound, now converging at the Summit Interchange and has contributed to the congestion at the Summit traffic chaos. Perhaps a 4th exit into Kesas cud help lessen the congestion at the Summit Interchange.

I do agree with you that more exits are needed for USJ. But consider this, if you have a flyover directly into Batu Tiga/USJ3ABCD, you will be attracting more traffic into USJ than you will be channelling out. Remember the jam tunnel and CSR exit. Both are not suitable exits to Persiaran Jubli Perak. However, they are excellent inputs for transit vehicles by passing the toll to Puchong, south, etc...

...If an exit is what we need, then it has to be towards a highway. No point bringing in more traffic when we have not even resolved traffic woes within Subang/USJ...
...If I live in Subang Heights, a slip road into KESAS would be the best option for me since I can go into any direction without enduring jam after exiting Subang Heights. Further, I would be living behind 8 foot concrete walls, immune from the social ills surrounding me. I don't care if there are heavy traffic bypassing my walled estate or transiting in front of schools or just meters from someone houses anywhere.

it mite be better to get together and work it out to find a middle ground where all will be able to live with, and benefit from it. Believe there cud be some common ground where common interest cud be expanded. The authorities shud support this and extend help to provide the residents what it takes to strike a common deal. Living in communities can be challenging even as neighbours. And I must agree that human mankind seek all the time to build bridges since time immemorial. But, the question is when and how to build one when differences do exist.

Looking at a different angle, perhaps as a non-stakeholder of neither community may help look at the issue more objectively. May I say that three exits from USJ is still insufficient to disperse traffic from USJ fast enuff. If the authorities had approved the link without proper study, valuable land cud have been lost to the developers in due time, and pre-emptive measures can no longer be instituted for the benefit of residents. There must be ways to ensure that the planners are doing their bit responsibly.
I still believe there mite be a common ground where both sides can work on...

If the link-bridge were to bring in more traffic to cause congestion onto the roads of USJ main arterial roads, it could deteriorate the situation in SJ and USJ. This wuden be a good thing to all residents here...

What if the link-bridge were to help disperse traffic (one way) out of USJ instead? Wudn't it be a viable option and a benefit to the USJ and hence SJ community? An exit from SH into SAE (Kesas) wud be all that is needed for SH to get into USJ and the rest of the world!

Pray, tell me if this is what SJ/USJ residents would be happy with? :confused: Any ayes?

kwchang

06-10-2005, 12:37 AM

Actually, No.
Becoz you can have trucks making their way through USJ from Puchong or even from the south via the PLUS highway to get to the factories in the industrial area.

tan_r

06-10-2005, 12:51 AM

What if the link-bridge were to help disperse traffic (one way) out of USJ instead? ... Pray, tell me if this is what SJ/USJ residents would be happy with? :confused: Any ayes?
Ivan, you appear to have all this upside down. How on earth did you come up with such a brilliant idea of a ONE WAY link out of USJ?

patrick

06-10-2005, 01:02 AM

Ivan, you appear to have all this upside down. How on earth did you come up with such a brilliant idea of a ONE WAY link out of USJ?

Technically, it can be a ONE WAY link out. But viably......

1. It can be one way today and two way tomorrow!
2. Would Sime UEP and/or Berjaya spend money to build a ONE WAY link out of
USJ?

ivanhow

06-10-2005, 01:13 AM

Actually, No.
Becoz you can have trucks making their way through USJ from Puchong or even from the south via the PLUS highway to get to the factories in the industrial area.
...off course, on condition that industrial traffic is out of bounds... :) just a conceptial idea :p
This can help to ease the heavily congested tujuan and hopefully less traffic will eventually converge into the already bad :mad: summit interchange...
Izzin this one way we can help disperse traffic, to ease traffic congestion in USJ? :D

Technically, it can be a ONE WAY link out. But viably......

1. It can be one way today and two way tomorrow!
2. Would Sime UEP and/or Berjaya spend money to build a ONE WAY link out of
USJ?
If the money is already allocated for a link-bridge, if not used, will endup elsewhere where it is not needed... or probably wasted like the infamous millenium park :confused: Mite aswell put it to a better use ;)

ivanhow

06-10-2005, 01:24 AM

Ivan, you appear to have all this upside down. How on earth did you come up with such a brilliant idea of a ONE WAY link out of USJ?
:) :) Why not ?? Better for the usj community, mah! :) :)

clfoo

06-10-2005, 01:47 AM

If the money is already allocated for a link-bridge, if not used, will endup elsewhere where it is not needed... or probably wasted like the infamous millenium park Mite aswell put it to a better use

it's not a good comparison here, millenium park was build using our taxpayer money, whereas allocation for link-bridge are from the developers, if the link not build they can still use the money for the link into kesas, and also i seriously hope they will build a flyover U-Turn on kesas so SH residents travelling from Puchong direction can make their way home and so we can close the right hand turn on Jalan Kewajipan into KESAS.

Izzin this one way we can help disperse traffic, to ease traffic congestion in USJ?
we usjrian not that selfish ppl here wanna disperse our traffic and congesting other ppl backyard :rolleyes: but the main point is who can be sure it won't be two way tommorow?

tan_r

06-10-2005, 09:37 AM

:) :) Why not ?? Better for the usj community, mah! :) :)
That only serve to tell the world we are a selfish lot who think only for ourselves. Doesn't sound win-win to me.

CCY

06-10-2005, 09:42 AM

...off course, on condition that industrial traffic is out of bounds... :) just a conceptial idea :p
This can help to ease the heavily congested tujuan and hopefully less traffic will eventually converge into the already bad :mad: summit interchange...
Izzin this one way we can help disperse traffic, to ease traffic congestion in USJ? :D

If the money is already allocated for a link-bridge, if not used, will endup elsewhere where it is not needed... or probably wasted like the infamous millenium park :confused: Mite aswell put it to a better use ;)

Think about the effect of removing the traffic light at the Summit-Kesas n Summit-Giant junction through whatever means. Overpass, underpass, indescent proposal or whatever proposal....:p Will that remove all the problems that everyone is facing. Usj need at least a through dual lane route without traffic light in n out, to n fro Npe n F highway n Kesas. We do not neet another link in/out to usj now. Anything short of this through way will be saddled by jams n jams n more jams in years to come.

tan_r

06-10-2005, 09:45 AM

... If the money is already allocated for a link-bridge, if not used, will endup elsewhere where it is not needed... or probably wasted like the infamous millenium park :confused: Mite aswell put it to a better use ;)
FRom what I gathered at the public hearing, they suggested that this link will be exclusive to SH residents only. That can, and will not happen. Assuming I am wrong and they get the exclusivity, won't you agree that RM20m is a little too much to spend to serve an enclave of 300 houses? Never mind where the money is coming from.

jasonbhlee

06-10-2005, 11:07 AM

Subang Heights is located in the vicinity of cemetries and industrial estates. Just look at the map and you will know. With the flyover, who knows what entourage will use them....funeral processions? trailers, factory buses? Massive jams are anticipated, maybe not throughout the day but at peak hours....

rusman

06-10-2005, 11:15 AM

Exclusivity is out of the question since it is a public road. Further there is a SIme UEP developement of more than 800 units of gated community before Subang Heights.

This proposed flyover will be built by Sime UEP, the caring developer. I believe SH developer is only obliged to build a road up to Sime's development called USH.

It is a public road and there can be no exclusivity.

We are recommending a slip road in/out of Batu Tiga into KESAS. Once in KESAS, you can go anywhere in Malaysia, except Sabah & Sarawak; that you need to go to KLIA first. No proposed flyover link, especially one without slip roads into KESAS as it will bring in more traffic into USJ.

How do I know there will be more traffic into USJ from Batu Tiga/Shah Alam?

Look at the Summit interchange and at Persiaran Kemajuan (KFC exit). You can see there are more vehicles feeding into Subang and USJ than there are going out in that direction. Our existing exits into KESAS and Federal Highway are under utilized. Anymore exits to Shah Alam direction is just a matter of convenience, not out of necessity. What we need are more exits & larger roads into highways towards PJ and KL.

tan_r

06-10-2005, 11:45 AM

That can, and will not happen....
Sorry, should read "That canNOT, and will not happen"

patrick

06-10-2005, 04:49 PM

Think about the effect of removing the traffic light at the Summit-Kesas n Summit-Giant junction through whatever means. Overpass, underpass, indescent proposal or whatever proposal....:p Will that remove all the problems that everyone is facing. Usj need at least a through dual lane route without traffic light in n out, to n fro Npe n F highway n Kesas. We do not neet another link in/out to usj now. Anything short of this through way will be saddled by jams n jams n more jams in years to come.

Agree with you wholeheartedly. The lights at the Summit/Kesas must go! It's crazy how they ever allowed a traffic light exit on a busy road like Kewajipan. Those that approved it should have had their head examined. That's why I keep proposing an immediate solution...Make that stretch of road one way or shut off both the right turns, including traffic exiting from Kesas.

orchipalar

06-10-2005, 08:32 PM

Agree with you wholeheartedly. The lights at the Summit/Kesas must go! It's crazy how they ever allowed a traffic light exit on a busy road like Kewajipan. Those that approved it should have had their head examined. That's why I keep proposing an immediate solution...Make that stretch of road one way or shut off both the right turns, including traffic exiting from Kesas.

Err...dear Pat:)...Orchi has since been dreaming n fantasizing about your so called...err...'Indecent Proposal'...:)

Err...NOTHING else on the matter...would excite Orchi as much...than to see the day...that the major traffic arteries like...the Persiaran Tujuan...Persiaran Kewajipan...etc etc etc...be turned into a ONE BIG circle of smooth flowing traffic...stretching from Federal Highway...SS15/16 in Subang Jaya....till the Puchong-Hicom Interchange...:)

rusman

06-10-2005, 11:10 PM

Here is an extract from Dato Lee's web site:

-----Original Message-----
From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:59 PM
To: 'snfsb'
Subject: RE: Proposed Flyover Linking USJ3/Batu 3

Dear Goodyear Court Resident,

Ya, MPSJ will definitely weigh the pros and cons. As the wakil rakyat, it is my duty to voice the people’s views. In this case most residents of SJ & USJ are objecting to the link. Anyway, all the JKP’s and the USJ RA’s are objecting.

Bye.

Yours In Service,
Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: snfsb
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:24 PM
To: hwabeng@pc.jaring.my
Subject: Proposed Flyover Linking USJ3/Batu 3

Dear Dato' Lee

First of all many thank for all the good work to you Dato' Lee, Mr Pritpal of RA Chairman ,Mr Subra of PWC and Mr Yip of Am Bank for attending the 3rd Purchasers meeting on 02/10/2005, I am staying Subang Perdana GoodYear Court and got to know about these controversial Proposed Link Flyover USJ3/Batu 3 thru your website because I am one of the purchaser of Rhythm Avenue. After reading thru what the USJ3/ABCD RA chairman and Mr Chee(USJ 3/E) has posted, in my opinion I believed not all nor MAJORITY of USJ/Subang Jaya resident are again this proposed link and think that all the ho ha is coming from USJ 3/ABCD resident because I belived they are all selfish and want to use the ready finish 4 lane highway for their own leisure.They talk about the safety of school children in SMK and SRK USJ 12 and still do not want the link to be build. Just imagine if all of the heavy vehicle or trailer are using the proposed link to coming in or out to KESAS from Taman Perindustrian Subang rather than Persiaran Tujuan and USJ 12 will it be more safer for all the school childrens.And USJ 12/13/14/15/16/17/18 using Persiaran Setia to KESAS rather than jamming Persiaran Kewajipan to KESAS.

MPSJ should move forwards to develop Subang Jaya and USJ to a world class living standard for all who pay quit rent and assessment to MPSJ by not ignoring the lower income group in Pinggiran Subang/Subang Hi-Tech nor better infra for the Taman Perindustrian Subang and all USJ residents .

MPSJ technical team should review the pros and corns regarding this proposed links and for the benefit of future development in USJ/Subang Jaya and furthermore it is free to MPSJ.

It is only my personnal opinion because no matter the link is on or not I still get stuck in the famous traffic jam in SS19 to federal highway.

Regards,
Goodyear Court Resident.

Here is my reply:

Dear Goodyear Court Resident,

The proposed flyover link to Batu Tiga will not have any slip road into KESAS. All vehicles that use the flyover link into USJ will have to go thru the USJ12 school into Persiaran Tujuan, there is no other route.

I think you have been misled by certain parties into thinking the proposed flyover will ease congestion in USJ& Subang. It will not. But it will probably ease congestion at Batu Tiga toll in Federal Highway and Persiaran Jubli Perak as it is an alternative to bypass the jams there to get to Puchong, PJ and KESAS.

As for the alleged exclusive use of Persiaran Setia for USJ3ABCD residents, I beg to differ. We have a problem now with 'drag racing' on that road. It is a danger for all road users especially at night. Our request for speed humps have been ignored. It is not safe for children or anyone to cycle along Persiaran Setia.

Why don't you drive there for once and see for yourself. I assure you there is no exclusive use of the road by any residents. However, there are certain parties in Batu Tiga who wants to have exclusive use of the proposed RM20M flyover for their 300 families.

MPSJ can direct Sime UEP to put that money to improve existing interchanges for better exits for Subang and USJ residents eg. into KESAS. This is not wishful thinking but practical and allowable by MPSJ.

ivanhow

06-10-2005, 11:16 PM

... i seriously hope they will build a flyover U-Turn on kesas so SH residents travelling from Puchong direction can make their way home and so we can close the right hand turn on Jalan Kewajipan into KESAS.
Hi clfoo, :) This sounds like an interesting option, probably a good one too... :) Good thinking!
But, which right turn on J. Kewajipan are u proposing to close? The one from NPE right turn into SAE (Kesas) towards SA or the one from usj right turn into Bkt Jalil direction? Or both :confused:

ivanhow

06-10-2005, 11:37 PM

...Usj need at least a through dual lane route without traffic light in n out, to n fro Npe n F highway n Kesas. We do not neet another link in/out to usj now. Anything short of this through way will be saddled by jams n jams n more jams in years to come.
Hi CCY, :) This sounds like another interesting proposal...
Let's see how this can help ease congestion... Care to elaborate :) ?

It excites me, when we have creative proposals... usjrians can be very creative (no pun intended here). We need all these ideas to strike a viable solution to ease traffic congestion in usj, dun we all agree?

On a general note.
Perhaps we dun need another exit, if we all agree :) And hopefully the tujuan and kewajipan jams will magically go away. No? What do we need? :confused: Anyone?? Shud we throw away the traffic lights?

jasonbhlee

06-10-2005, 11:58 PM

For those who feel that the objection to the flyover is solely for the reason of 'leisure' and convenience of residents in usj3abcd.....please think again. I stay in usj3abcd but I still objected to the USJ1-Puchong link. Don't just think that's a way out...don't forget that every car that goes out 3 cars will come in. What happens? Why is this objection so different from the objection to the Puchong link?? And mind you...how wonderful it would be if all roads in USJ is like a park where evryone can cycle and jog safely. Don't you want that? I am sure with the improvemenets that is currently being undertaken can improve the situation. However if you introduce inlets (don't be fooled by the word outlet), you can think for another 20years how to improve traffic in usj. Let us not object to one link but accepts another because you live a distant away from the flyover.

ivanhow

07-10-2005, 12:03 AM

Agree with you wholeheartedly. The lights at the Summit/Kesas must go! It's crazy how they ever allowed a traffic light exit on a busy road like Kewajipan. Those that approved it should have had their head examined. That's why I keep proposing an immediate solution...Make that stretch of road one way or shut off both the right turns, including traffic exiting from Kesas.
Hi Patrick, :) Heard ur "indescent" proposal too. Is this part of it?
If the right turn be shut-off, how do u propose traffic to flow from USJ wanting to enter the SAE towards Bkt Jalil, and traffic from SJ wanting to enter SAE towards SA? :eek:

clfoo

07-10-2005, 01:54 AM

But, which right turn on J. Kewajipan are u proposing to close? The one from NPE right turn into SAE (Kesas) towards SA or the one from usj right turn into Bkt Jalil direction? Or both

Both right turn can be closed brother...

Here is my proposal:
With 1 flyover U-turn(A) on KESAS (after usj3abcd from kl direction), this u-turn can serve:
A1)USJ traffic wanna turn to Bkt Jalil direction
A2)SubangHeight and SubangJaya residents coming from KL direction to reach home

another flyover u-turn(B) (after summit but before toll plaza if coming from klang direction) will serve:
B1)SJ 3k traffic wanna go to klang direction
B2)traffic coming from Klang direction to go to summit
B3)potential traffic coming from ex-extreme park development in sunway

by right the cost of constructing this flyover should be bear by SH developer, Sunway developer and KESAS(bcos the current traffic light mainly is to serve KESAS customers).

Another plus point of constructing this flyover on kesas is it will cause less nuisance as compare to working on jalan kewajipan.

jasonbhlee

07-10-2005, 09:04 AM

Wah, clfoo....u are planning so many flyovers ahh....
Bankcrupt man...

orchipalar

07-10-2005, 12:37 PM

Err...hey Folks from USJ3ABCD:)...thought ya might wanna join Orchi n many of the warga Usj.com.my neighbours...for TT tonight at USJ16 behind Caltex(Briyani's Corner)...all are welcome!:)

rusman

07-10-2005, 04:43 PM

Err...hey Folks from USJ3ABCD:)...thought ya might wanna join Orchi n many of the warga Usj.com.my neighbours...for TT tonight
Puasa lah. Maybe jasonbhlee can go?? ;)

He is cute, too...

tan_r

07-10-2005, 04:52 PM

Hey, fren ... kawan .... peng yu ... phang yau ... the teh tarik is at night lah. After you buka puasa lah. And I think it's time you show face lah. And don't come alone, ok?

orchipalar

07-10-2005, 06:54 PM

Puasa lah. Maybe jasonbhlee can go?? ;)

He is cute, too...

Err...Rusman:)...yalor...Selamat Berbuka...it's tonight after 8:30PM wor...ahem...cannot meh...? :confused:

Ahem...who?...Jason?...err...he is cute is it?...well...ya can bring him along too...:D

rusman

07-10-2005, 07:58 PM

Instead of Teh Tarik at night, I would like to invite all USJ residents to come to USJ3D square (at the end of Persiaran Setia) to witness the launching of the signature campaign against the proposed flyover tomorrow at 10am.

Dato Lee Hwa Beng and several dignitaries have agreed to officiate the event. We hope all concerned USJ residents will come, too.

Come and see for yourself how the proposed flyover will affect the traffic in USJ and Subang Jaya, especially the school at USJ12. Ask questions to your ADUN about the proposed flyover and what he is doing about it. Say it now or forever hold your peace.

(Jasonbhlee, stand close to Dato Lee, this time I will make sure your cute face masuk paper).

bobkee

07-10-2005, 10:09 PM

Come lar Rusman .. you are welcomed to join us after Tarawih

jasonbhlee

07-10-2005, 11:12 PM

Err...Rusman
Ahem...who?...Jason?...err...he is cute is it?...well...ya can bring him along too...:D

He sure is cute, no doubt! Unfortunately today is karaoke nite.......another kinda plantation.......next time round should be ok! Have a nice session fellas............

jasonbhlee

07-10-2005, 11:13 PM

hey hello....this thread is abt the link...not teh tarik....wrong thread..!!

patrick

08-10-2005, 01:56 AM

Hi Patrick, :) Heard ur "indescent" proposal too. Is this part of it?
If the right turn be shut-off, how do u propose traffic to flow from USJ wanting to enter the SAE towards Bkt Jalil, and traffic from SJ wanting to enter SAE towards SA? :eek:

For immediate solution, simple. Vehicles from SJ intending to enter SAE heading towards Shah Alam will do a U-turn at Giant traffic light (vehicles are already doing that..nothing new) and traffic from USJ heading towards Bkt Jalil will take the semi-roundabout at the Metro College. No ingeniuty needed! ;-)

Patrick

ivanhow

08-10-2005, 04:23 AM

Both right turn can be closed brother...

Here is my proposal:
With 1 flyover U-turn(A) on KESAS (after usj3abcd from kl direction), this u-turn can serve:
A1)USJ traffic wanna turn to Bkt Jalil direction
A2)SubangHeight and SubangJaya residents coming from KL direction to reach home

another flyover u-turn(B) (after summit but before toll plaza if coming from klang direction) will serve:
B1)SJ 3k traffic wanna go to klang direction
B2)traffic coming from Klang direction to go to summit
B3)potential traffic coming from ex-extreme park development in sunway

by right the cost of constructing this flyover should be bear by SH developer, Sunway developer and KESAS(bcos the current traffic light mainly is to serve KESAS customers).

Another plus point of constructing this flyover on kesas is it will cause less nuisance as compare to working on jalan kewajipan.
Good thinking bro... CU at d next TT session :) . Folks here wud be happy to hear your proposal out.

ivanhow

08-10-2005, 04:44 AM

For immediate solution, simple. Vehicles from SJ intending to enter SAE heading towards Shah Alam will do a U-turn at Giant traffic light (vehicles are already doing that..nothing new) and traffic from USJ heading towards Bkt Jalil will take the semi-roundabout at the Metro College. No ingeniuty needed! ;-)

Patrick
Err... Hi Patrick, :) This1 just as interesting... perhaps can be considered too, provided the queue wuden addup too much to contribute to a round-robin back-to-back longish gridlock :D Not a bad idea though! ;) A proto-trial might be a good test... Good part is this test can be carried out anytime ;) And, one more option is better than not having any, yah?

Or... perhaps, a two-way simultaneous traffic flow can be considered :p , just like the one at the suspension bridge near FreeScale might help - a double throuput effect - to get the traffic out sooner than later... High thruput is probably what is needed to clear the traffic coming into the interchange from all directions... :)

CCY

08-10-2005, 01:37 PM

Err... Hi Patrick, :) This1 just as interesting... perhaps can be considered too, provided the queue wuden addup too much to contribute to a round-robin back-to-back longish gridlock :D Not a bad idea though! ;) A proto-trial might be a good test... Good part is this test can be carried out anytime ;) And, one more option is better than not having any, yah?
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Or... perhaps, a two-way simultaneous traffic flow can be considered :p , just like the one at the suspension bridge near FreeScale might help - a double throuput effect - to get the traffic out sooner than later... High thruput is probably what is needed to clear the traffic coming into the interchange from all directions... :)

It has been carried out before in the morning at one stage in the past and that caused a huge backlog as what you mentioned. But that is without the ramp that is providing a direct route to npe now. The closest comparison that we can see is the current hugh roundabout on npe that replaces the kewajipan n jengka roundabout. It should'nt be anything worse than what we are all experiencing now .

rusman

08-10-2005, 04:41 PM

Instead of Teh Tarik at night, I would like to invite all USJ residents to come to USJ3D square (at the end of Persiaran Setia) to witness the launching of the signature campaign against the proposed flyover tomorrow at 10am.

There was quite a crowd this morning. We got signatures from our ADUN and MP, and several community leaders representing all USJ and Subang Jaya.

I was a bit surprised on the media coverage, even Bernama came to interview our ADUN.

jasonbhlee...I think you will be on TV tonight. For those who wants to know how cute he is, he is the one standing next to our ADUN holding the banner.

TQ to all Subang Jaya and USJ residents for coming this morning. At least now we confirm & know a majority of Subang and USJ residents do not want the proposed flyover link.

rusman

08-10-2005, 05:00 PM

Here is the first signatory to our siganture campaign & our banner.

rusman

08-10-2005, 05:19 PM

PRESS STATEMENT
- for immediate publication

USJ RESIDENTS IN SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN TO OPPOSE PROPOSED BATU TIGA FLYOVER LINK INTO USJ 3; FEARS A TRAFFIC MESS IN THE MAKING

SUBANG JAYA, October 08, 2005:
The USJ Residents Association (USJRA) today launched a mass signature campaign among all USJ and Subang Jaya residents to rally support in protest against the proposed flyover link from Batu 3 into USJ 3 (via Persiaran Setia cutting through the residential areas of USJ 3A-B-C-D).

The signature campaign was launched by Subang Jaya State Assemblyman, Datuk Lee Hwa Beng. Also present at the launch were USJRA president, Mr P. Jayan, JKP Zone chairmen, Dr Mohd Zamzam Jaafar (Zone 1: Subang Jaya SS 12 – SS 19), Mr Gilbert Yeoh (Zone 2: USJ 2 – USJ 7), Mr P C Yeoh (Zone 3: USJ 8 – USJ 15), Mr Lee Thong Keng (Zone 7: USJ 16 – USJ 28) and Encik Ruzman Zaihan, pro-tem chairman of USJ3ABCD residents’ group. More than 100 residents from around USJ and Subang Jaya also turned up in support of the signature campaign.

USJ and Subang Jaya residents can also write to the USJRA to state their stand (whether for or against the flyover link) by sending to Email: info.usjra@gmail.com. Online petitions will also be accepted – for reference, check out the online petition site at the web forum thread in www.usj.com.my

The USJRA and the JKP zone representatives have been maintaining a stand to reject the proposed flyover link from Batu Tiga (demanded by Subang Heights purchasers) into USJ 3 as the increased vehicular flow is expected to further contribute to and aggravate the already traffic-congested main arterial roads in the USJ and Subang Jaya township.

Traffic congestion entering and exiting USJ into Subang Jaya is already a daily occurrence which is not just limited to peak hours but also occurs during non-peak hours, especially along Persiaran Kewajipan (from the Giant junction right up to Summit/Sri KL school) and the out-bound / in-bound traffic crawl along Jalan Tujuan to/from Subang Jaya.

The proposed flyover bridge link will add on new and additional traffic from Batu Tiga into USJ as cars and industrial vehicles pass through residential areas such as USJ3ABCD, USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 before passing out into Persiaran Tujuan and ultimately out to Jalan Tujuan. It will adversely affect the traffic ecology which is already seriously heavy and congested.

PRIMARY CONCERN – SAFETY ISSUE:
There are two schools along Persiaran Tujuan. Traffic here is already chaotic, especially during peak hours, due to parents and school buses picking/dropping off school-children plus office-workers on their way to their offices. As it is, not all drivers passing through this road are considerate, thus the safety of the schoolchildren population here is often at stake and will be compromised.

If Persiaran Setia accommodates a heavier traffic flow than it currently services the residents of USJ 3ABCD/USJ3/USJ4/USJ12/Taman Perindustrian, it will present a higher level of danger for the children population attending the SMK USJ 12 and SK USJ 12. The USJRA doubts any amount of safety measures that will be put in place can be effective if heavy traffic is brought to the doorstep of the schools. The danger of increased heavy vehicle traffic far outweighs the perceived ease of traffic dispersal through this link.

DEVELOPERS’ CONTRADICTORY CLAIMS:
The authorities claim the Batu Tiga- USJ3 flyover link had been prior-approved. The sales brochures for Subang Heights claimed that the flyover link was “under construction” when the fact is that the proposed flyover link has yet to be finalised and approved by the highway authorities (LLM).
On the other hand, residents of USJ 3 A/B/C/D were NOT informed about the “already approved plan” for this flyover link when they bought their houses in this area by their developer Sime UEP.

WIN-WIN SOLUTION:
The USJRA agrees that Subang Heights residents need an access out of Subang Heights in addition to their current exit route via Batu Tiga which ends at a traffic junction under the tunnel near the Central Sugar Refinery. The USJRA and USJ residents do not deny that Subang Heights residents deserve a direct access out of their future homes. An access out of Subang Heights is the key objective of Subang Heights buyers. This is especially essential since there will be more mixed housing development being planned in the vicinity of Subang Heights, such as the Subang Mutiara. Thus, we are not only considering the potential traffic from merely Subang Heights residents.

The USJRA is prepared for a win-win solution which will address the concerns of both USJ and Subang Heights residents. Our proposal for alternative access takes into consideration the consequences, and not just based on convenience which everyone naturally wants. How receptive everyone is to this solution will be evident of their sincerity and selfless attitude in seeking a win-win situation.

THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL:
The USJRA requests the following proposal to be considered: It makes sense for a direct exit from Subang Heights to the Kesas highway from where they can still enter into USJ and Subang Jaya or proceed to KL, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, KLIA, Sunway and Klang with ease INSTEAD of coming into USJ3+ABCD/USJ4/USJ12 and getting into the famous traffic jams along Persiaran Tujuan/Jalan Tujuan or Persiaran Kewajipan/Jalan Kewajipan.

The residents of SJ and USJ have been made numerous promises over the past 15 to 20 years that with each road improvement the traffic congestion would ease up. However, bitter experience has shown that whilst such road improvements are undertaken, new developments are continuously or simultaneously approved (e.g., Putra Heights, Subang Heights, USJ 1 condominiums, etc). This has had the effect of completely negating any current improvements that are in-progress, or worse, exacerbating the situation.

USJRA REQUESTS KEY CONSIDERATIONS IN SUMMARY:
* Proper assessment of traffic volume and safety impact on the immediate neighbourhoods affected by the proposed link
* Overall assessment whether the proposed link will help to alleviate the current traffic situation in USJ/SJ in the long-term.

CONCLUSION:
It is important that the decision over the proposed flyover must be made to the benefit of the OVERALL RESIDENTS, with special consideration to those who are directly impacted daily. We wish to stress that USJ residents are not unreasonable and selfish and we want ALL residents to benefit in the long term.

bobkee

08-10-2005, 06:13 PM

This one is Malaysiakini (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/41517)'s take :

USJ flyover: Residents launch signature campaign
- Andrew Ong, Oct 8, 05 4:01pm

The USJ Residents Association (USJRA) today launched a campaign to collect signatures from USJ and Subang Jaya residents opposing a proposed flyover linking Batu 3, Shah Alam to USJ 3, Subang.

About 200 people gathered for the launch, which was officiated by Subang Jaya state assemblyman Lee Hwa Beng.

A USJRA representative said that 243 signatures were collected during the launch this morning.

The flyover was intended to link the yet-to-be-constructed Subang Heights housing estate to Subang Jaya.

However, USJ residents are worried the link would be abused as a short cut by cars and heavy vehicles exiting Shah Alam to avoid using the many tolled roads around Subang Jaya.

Children’s Safety

“Our primary concern is the worsening of traffic conditions and the safety of the children,” said USJRA president P Jayan (left).

Jayan, a USJ resident for 12 years, said that the traffic situation is worsening as it is due to bad town planning, and allowing more traffic into the area would severely affect the 38,000 households in USJ.

He added that the flyover eventually leads to a road with two schools, which already experience heavy jams before and after school hours.

Also present during the launch was Kelana Jaya MP Loh Seng Kok, PKR Vice-president Sivarasa Rasiah and Sungai Pinang state assemblyperson Teng Chang Kim, who happens to be a resident of USJ 3.

The residents in USJ 3 claim that they were never informed about the proposed flyover by the developers, Sime UEP, when they purchased the houses.

However, another group of some 300 bungalow owners in Subang Heights are keen on seeing the completion of the bridge, as the developers - Berjaya Group subsidiary Selat Makmur Sdn Bhd - promised house buyers the flyover when the houses were sold.

The final say on the flyover belongs to the Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ).

Thus far there has been several dialogues were held between MPSJ and the affected residents.

bobkee

08-10-2005, 06:23 PM

Since we're into publishing releases and statements, I might as well post this one as well from PKR Kelana Jaya (http://syedshahir.blogsome.com/2005/10/08/18/) :

Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) Should Heed The Peoples’ Demand

Parti Keadilan Rakyat Kelana Jaya (PKR) supports the call by the residents of USJ to stop the proposed bridge linking Persiaran Setia in USJ3A-D to Batu Tiga, Shah Alam.

The proposed bridge will have, among others, the following negative impacts on the residents of the USJ neighbourhood :

Significantly increase the volume of traffic, especially industrial traffic, that will flow into the already overloaded traffic infrastructure within the USJ and Subang Jaya residential areas, hence contributing towards the worsening traffic congestion.

Increase in industrial traffic will compromise the safety of the residents within the immediate affected area; ie. USJ3A-D, USJ3 & USJ12, especially the 3,700 school children who are enrolled in the USJ12 primary and secondary schools along Persiaran Setia.

Lower the quality of life of the residents of USJ as the diversion of additional traffic from the Batu Tiga area will increase air and sound pollution in the USJ residential areas.

The Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) should take heed of these consequences and MUST NOT approve the proposed Persiaran Setia – Batu Tiga bridge. To ignore this demand by the residents of USJ & Subang Jaya would be tantamount to endorsing irrational planning and non-sustainable development and would be against the principles set by the Local Agenda 21 that MPSJ claims to be a role model of.

It is the firm belief of PKR genuine sustainable development and accountable government can only achieved if MPSJ and other local authorities in this country are directly elected by the people and the people themselves are empowered to hold the authorities to account.

MPSJ Must Heed The Demands Of USJ Residents!

Syed Shahir Mohamud
Chairperson
People's Justice Party
Kelana Jaya Division

8 October 2005

PeterHng

08-10-2005, 06:24 PM

It's OK Bob. U 1st... :)

bobkee

08-10-2005, 06:28 PM

At least it shows that there are still plenty of folks out there keeping tabs of things

jasonbhlee

08-10-2005, 11:00 PM

For issues affecting residents.....does not matter whether you are in the ruling party or opposition....we should speak in one voice! Today we can see that all political parties have the same stance...that means the objection to the flyover cannot be wrong!! What is important is that the voice of the majority must be heard...not the interest of some speculators.

rusman

08-10-2005, 11:42 PM

tan_r

09-10-2005, 12:02 AM

tan_r

09-10-2005, 01:16 AM

Bob Kee and me blogged on this morning's successful campaign.

The Signature Campaign Begins! (http://www.bobjots.org/archives/001659.php#more)
Batu 3 - USJ 3 Flyover: The Signature Campaign (http://mydailynuggets.blogspot.com/2005/10/batu-3-usj-3-flyover-signature.html)
A crying shame (http://mydailynuggets.blogspot.com/2005/10/crying-shame.html)

Over the next few days, please look out for the media reports.

Also, do not forget to sign the petition.

jasonbhlee

09-10-2005, 10:52 AM

On the contrary, we should also show our appreciation for their support due to reasons that need no explanation here. Come by and visit me (http://mydailynuggets.blogspot.com/) as I update my blog with the photos of the day.

Yes...we should say thank you to all those who came, especially so those from the other side of the political divide. It needs strength and humility to come and support a motion by the ruling party (in this case BN) to object to the flyover. We apologise if our hospitality has not been sufficient.

pcyeoh

09-10-2005, 04:01 PM

Appreciate all your support in this matter but let's not politicise this issue. There is no need to project anyone's political banner as this is a social issue which is being championed by Residents' Association for the benefit of all residents, not by political parties.

On behalf of Persatuan Penduduk USJ3ABCD, we regret to note several political parties were trying to piggy back on this issue for their internal agenda.

As far as we are concern, we invited all Subang Jaya & USJ residents to come to the 'Launching of the Signature Campaign' as residents, not on behalf of their political parties. We truly appreciate that both our wakil rakyat, ADUN and MP are helping us on this issue. I hope we can allow them to go about their work (without them having to think about rival political implications) to ensure the success of our campaign against the proposed flyover.

I think it is rather unfair to label the presence of the DAP and the Keadilan at the signature event yesterday as politicising the issue. What is your defination of politics? To me, any action taken in our social relations involving authority or power in seeking protection of our rights to preserve and to improve our well being and morals is politics. It does not require the presence of the opposition parties to make it political. If it is so, right from day 1, this issue has already being politicised by the ruling party. You must also be fair to your fellow residents who may not share the same political belief as you and therefore want to rope in their political parties who they believe can help them. Look at the brighter side as this may even help us to strengthen our case. If these political parties came in to disrupt the event or take advantage of the situation for their own benefits, I will be the first fellow to throw them out. In Raymond Tan's observation on rival political implications, it is us who brought in politics when Mr Teng from the DAP came to sign the petition in his personal capacity as a resident living in USJ 3. The presence of Tuan Syed Sharir is by virtue that he once contested in this consituency and therefore have every right to be here to serve us. You may not appreciate his involvement but many others do. In fact, I was touched by his presence lest we accused him come next election where was he when we wanted him most.

There is nothing for you to regret about political parties trying to piggy back on this issue for their internal agenda as this is for the ruling party to regret. In the first place if the ruling party which I and thousands of others voted them into power bothers about our well being, there is no need for us to waste everybody's time and energy to get all those damned signatures. So let us focus on the issue at hand and not get distracted over the presence of political parties be it Barisan Nasional or Opposition. Let us make sure that the link is not built. Sorry, I get so worked up on this matter. I am not a member of any political party but I want fairness and I know how to appreciate simple gesture when I see one.

bobkee

10-10-2005, 12:45 AM

bobkee

10-10-2005, 01:21 AM

.. I hope we can allow them to go about their work (without them having to think about rival political implications) ..
And talking about rival political implications, don't forget the supporters of the bridge has gone to Dato Seri Abdul Aziz Shamsuddin, their MP merangkap Minister of Rural & Regional Development and also direct over to Dato' Seri Ong Ka Ting, Minister of Local Government & Housing merangkap the boss of our ADUN and MP in total contempt to the legitimate rights of residents and ratepayers to be consulted over matters like this.

I don't know about many of you folks, but I sure don't like to fight these type of battles with one hand tied behind my back.

orchipalar

10-10-2005, 01:26 AM

I think it is rather unfair to label the presence of the DAP and the Keadilan at the signature event yesterday as politicising the issue. What is your defination of politics? To me, any action taken in our social relations involving authority or power in seeking protection of our rights to preserve and to improve our well being and morals is politics. It does not require the presence of the opposition parties to make it political. If it is so, right from day 1, this issue has already being politicised by the ruling party. You must also be fair to your fellow residents who may not share the same political belief as you and therefore want to rope in their political parties who they believe can help them. Look at the brighter side as this may even help us to strengthen our case. If these political parties came in to disrupt the event or take advantage of the situation for their own benefits, I will be the first fellow to throw them out. In Raymond Tan's observation on rival political implications, it is us who brought in politics when Mr Teng from the DAP came to sign the petition in his personal capacity as a resident living in USJ 3. The presence of Tuan Syed Sharir is by virtue that he once contested in this consituency and therefore have every right to be here to serve us. You may not appreciate his involvement but many others do. In fact, I was touched by his presence lest we accused him come next election where was he when we wanted him most.

There is nothing for you to regret about political parties trying to piggy back on this issue for their internal agenda as this is for the ruling party to regret. In the first place if the ruling party which I and thousands of others voted them into power bothers about our well being, there is no need for us to waste everybody's time and energy to get all those damned signatures. So let us focus on the issue at hand and not get distracted over the presence of political parties be it Barisan Nasional or Opposition. Let us make sure that the link is not built. Sorry, I get so worked up on this matter. I am not a member of any political party but I want fairness and I know how to appreciate simple gesture when I see one.

Err...PCYeoh:)...ya could say n repeat...this sorta thingy for 100 times...n it would NOT bore Orchi a bit...TQ:)

lbn

10-10-2005, 07:16 AM

5 days ago, the neighbour across my house, went around the neighborhood canvasing for signatures in supporting the link. He gave a set of forms to my wife asking her to approach her friends. Ignorantly my wife agreed without realising that this neighbour has a bungalow lot in Subang Heights. Some residents who don't have any interest in Subang Heights endorsed on the "Subang Heights Signature Campaign" not knowing the negative impact the link has on USJ/Sj traffic. The "Subang Heights Signature Campaign" was posted in USJ9 Shell and Petronas kiosks. Yesterday I personally explained the whole thing to the senior attendant, En, Hakim. After knowing that this link basically benefited the owners, residents and property developers in Subang Heights and surrounding areas plus the influx of heavy vehicles and trailers from the industrial area, he removed the signature forms from the counter. He said he would return it to the person. This person happened to be my neighbour across the road.

I believe the Subang Heights owners are going around collecting signatures in other petrol kiosks and common areas and blaming us who object to the link of being selfish. Residents not knowing the whole story will definitely agree. So we should not only ask for support against the link but to educate the USJ/SJ residents the fact that the Subang Heights property owners are only interested in their vested interest. They should resolved their problems with their developer. The developer should have built the link long ago.

:rolleyes:

pcyeoh

10-10-2005, 08:45 AM

......The "Subang Heights Signature Campaign" was posted in USJ9 Shell and Petronas kiosks. Yesterday I personally explained the whole thing to the senior attendant, En, Hakim. After knowing that this link basically benefited the owners, residents and property developers in Subang Heights and surrounding areas plus the influx of heavy vehicles and trailers from the industrial area, he removed the signature forms from the counter. He said he would return it to the person. This person happened to be my neighbour across the road.
I fully agree that we just don't shaft the petition to everyone we meet just to get his signature to say NO to the flyover. If you do that, you only get one signature. If you do what my friend lbn did at the petrol kiosk not only we prevent the falsehood of the benefit of the link from spreading, you may even win that person to fight the crusade for us - if he is convinced that the link is BAD for the community, he will go and get a hundred more for you.

Syabas to En Hakim. When I read the posting by lbn, I thought En Hakim would have chased him out of the kiosk because MORE traffic means MORE business for the petrol kiosk. But surprisingly, doesn't matter whether En Hakim is the owner or not but the very fact that he removed the say YES to the link petition from the counter means that he stands by our side. If En Hakim can make that sacrifice for a better community living, why not you. So click here and go sign there, please and thank you.

http://new.petitiononline.com/usjra/petition.html

jasonbhlee

10-10-2005, 09:27 AM

He gave a set of forms to my wife asking her to approach her friends. Ignorantly my wife agreed without realising that this neighbour has a bungalow lot in Subang Heights. Some residents who don't have any interest in Subang Heights endorsed on the "Subang Heights Signature Campaign" not knowing the negative impact the link has on USJ/Sj traffic.

This neighbour should be man enough to inform others that he/she has a bungalow lot in SH. If he/she wants the link so badly, why want to move to their other side which is already nearer to their workplace in batu 3 even without this link? This link benefits more to the this person than the majority.
But thanks to lbn and En Hakim, there are many sheeps around trying to fool unsuspecting residents. Our education should step up 1 gear.

rusman

10-10-2005, 01:42 PM

...there are many sheeps around trying to fool unsuspecting residents.
Yes, a lot of wolves in sheep clothing lurking about in Subang Jaya and USJ. Lots of actors (pelakun), hero wannabe & clowns, too.

I saw your picture in the press and on Astro. Wah, like Jackie Chan lah (if he were to hold the banner...). Tak sia-sia bangun pagi...

Had discussion with the USJ8 police on Sat. The proposed link will also bring in undesirable elements into the USJ area. Can also be an ideal getaway route out since many places to hide in Batu Tiga.

Not a problem if you live behind an 8 foot wall. Something to ponder about...

rusman

10-10-2005, 01:54 PM

He gave a set of forms to my wife asking her to approach her friends.
If they give, take! Ask for more, in fact. You can sell them as 'old newspapers'.

Why are they going for signature campaign if they say they intend to sue the developer? I thought they are so confident on their contractual right that they give MPSJ ultimatum on Sep 30.

I also heard from the grapevine they are slurring the ADUN's character by sending a memo to MCA chief. Problem is memo contain distorted facts. Why rope in the MCA chief??

I am happy to state that we do not go down to that low level. Those are the acts of desperate and dispicable people; in pursuit of more money even at the expense of the safety of our children.

tupai

10-10-2005, 02:00 PM

If the 'For' party is already putting petition forms everywhere...maybe the 'Against' party should be more aggressive in the signature campaign. E.g.
- get copies of petition form and hand out to all Parents in nearby schools (up to ss18 & 19). Let them know that if the current traffic is bad...just wait till the link is up.
- You can also put the form on the windscreen during afternoon & evening after-school hrs.

Please ensure that u have a collection box somewhere convenient. If asked to mail/go to website, walk to a collection box...generally the joe&jane public can be very lazy and will say 'leceh lah..."

This is going to be another uphill battle but we have won before so lets plod on.

tupai on the rocks

tan_r

10-10-2005, 04:17 PM

I also heard from the grapevine they are slurring the ADUN's character by sending a memo to MCA chief. Problem is memo contain distorted facts. Why rope in the MCA chief??
ADUN is a seasoned politician. He will know what needs to be done. Let's concentrate on the signature campaign.

I am happy to state that we do not go down to that low level. Those are the acts of desperate and dispicable people; in pursuit of more money even at the expense of the safety of our children.
Desperate or despicable, let them be. The people here are intelligent enough to differentiate. Let's concentrate on the signature campaign.

Ref tupai's suggestion, I think it's a gud idea to organise a group to collect the signatures after school hours. Any volunteers?

tan_r

11-10-2005, 12:07 AM

OK, it's decided that a group of us will be collecting signatures after school hours at SK USJ12 on Wednesday. We meet outside the gate at 12.15pm. We need VOLUNTEERS please.

Teeque

11-10-2005, 03:09 AM

Heard from the grapevine too that the PTA of SK USJ12 had sent a letter objecting to the link to MPSJ. Would it be a good idea to rope them in our campaign as well?

MOYSC

11-10-2005, 06:58 AM

OK, it's decided that a group of us will be collecting signatures after school hours at SK USJ12 on Wednesday. We meet outside the gate at 12.15pm. We need VOLUNTEERS please.

Lets do it! Count me in. :) Nina

jasonbhlee

11-10-2005, 09:14 AM

Count me in as well.........

MOYSC

11-10-2005, 03:05 PM

Dear Raymond,

Perhaps we should organise ourselves before heading out to the school tomorrow? Tentatively, I've already 30 petition forms with me. Enough or not???

:)

tan_r

11-10-2005, 03:24 PM

Thanks to Nina & Jason. Any others? Please reply by today - cos if we can get more people, another group can take care of the USJ4 school.

Nina, just in case your 30 forms are not enough, I will have 50 with me.

PeterHng

11-10-2005, 03:32 PM

Count me in Tan_r ;), Eh, what u want me to do?

tan_r

11-10-2005, 03:38 PM

Thank you and kam sia, Peter. :D

PeterHng

11-10-2005, 03:51 PM

Count me in Tan_r ;), Eh, what u want me to do?

So tomorrow wait at the gate there or shud we meet somewhere else 1st?

tan_r

11-10-2005, 03:54 PM

OK, those who wishes to volunteer, please meet outside the gate tomorrow at 12.15pm.

PeterHng

11-10-2005, 04:00 PM

OK, those who wishes to volunteer, please meet outside the gate tomorrow at 12.15pm.

Okie dokie.... c you all ... btw how many of us already?

bobkee

11-10-2005, 04:00 PM

See you folks there, then.

BTW, tan_r, I have got your PM but I have been a bit too busy lately to give you a comprehensive reply. Will get back to you ASAP.

tan_r

11-10-2005, 04:18 PM

... btw how many of us already?
1. Jayendran
2. PC Yeoh
3. Nina
4. Adzman
5. Peter Hng
6. Bob Kee
7. Raymond Tan

Three more to make it a TEN. Chia ka liaw! :D :D

MOYSC

11-10-2005, 05:47 PM

1. Jayendran
2. PC Yeoh
3. Nina
4. Adzman
5. Peter Hng
6. Bob Kee
7. Raymond Tan

Three more to make it a TEN. Chia ka liaw! :D :D

Hi all,

Just managed to talk to Raymond. We should all meet at 11.45am tomorrow at SK USJ12 Main gate (the gate next to the guard house).

We should be earlier since there will be quite a number of private vehicles, parents & caretakers waiting outside the school by 12:00pm.
Note : SK USJ12 school breaks off at 12:30pm (single session only)

Cheers,
Nina

PeterHng

11-10-2005, 05:50 PM

OK with me ....

PeterHng

12-10-2005, 09:17 AM

Hi all,

Just managed to talk to Raymond. We should all meet at 11.45am tomorrow at SK USJ12 Main gate (the gate next to the guard house).

We should be earlier since there will be quite a number of private vehicles, parents & caretakers waiting outside the school by 12:00pm.
Note : SK USJ12 school breaks off at 12:30pm (single session only)

Cheers,
Nina

Dear Friends,

Please dont forget to bring, if possible, the hard board (what do you call that already?) for the form to be written on so that our form wud not get damaged in the process of writing as u know lah they are in the cars and may not have good surface to write on and may be in a hurry.... Just a suggestion

clarence

12-10-2005, 09:25 AM

Count me in, will meet u all at 11.30am

hezron

12-10-2005, 10:08 AM

The traffic from USJ 3 & 4 into Psn Tujuan is bad enough...

Nowadays, many people start taking the inner road (between USJ 3 and 4) as short cut, there are school, playgrounds all along the road.

Please don't divert more traffic into it... :(

Chia Hak Soon

12-10-2005, 10:45 AM

How come everytime, you get all these surprises. Where is our ADUN. and MP ,Nevermind he is is Tropicana.so while we get all the daily jams and new development. He appears only when there is a national campaign like rearing guppies in the abandoned Rythmn Avenue and Newgate on Aedes prevention which was splashed in the local dailies. Should consider usj.com active forumners like Patrick,Raymond for nomination in the next election.

PeterHng

12-10-2005, 11:02 AM

Mack, What do you think? I second Chia Hak Soon on Raymond & Patrick 's nomination ... :D

orchipalar

12-10-2005, 11:13 AM

Err...Raymond:)...where is Orchi when ya need him most? :D

mon

12-10-2005, 11:27 AM

Heard from the grapevine too that the PTA of SK USJ12 had sent a letter objecting to the link to MPSJ. Would it be a good idea to rope them in our campaign as well?

Yes, perhaps the PTA/PIBG could help in gathering more signatures thru the teachers and students to parents and friends. Is this assured by the way?

EricK

12-10-2005, 11:47 AM

ksj_cool

12-10-2005, 12:01 PM

There is a lot of truth in that, USJ residendt clogged the road leading into SJ and including Sunway. Now SH is giving doing the same to them...

bobkee

12-10-2005, 12:19 PM

Guys .. I am SOOOOOOOOOO sorry .. I was in a rush this morning and got so distracted at work I totally forgot about the school thingie today!! :P

My absolute apologies and regrets.

Raymond, can you PM me with your cellphone number so that I can get in touch with you?

Thanks.

bobkee

12-10-2005, 12:48 PM

i dont know why u usj residents are complaining .. u caused all the jam in subang jaya never hear subang jaya people complain.. deal with it, u caused the jam in subang.. now have a taste of your own medicine :) :rolleyes:
The root cause is still the same : bad planning and lack of accountability .. which is exactly what we're trying to deal with here.

CCY

12-10-2005, 01:10 PM

i dont know why u usj residents are complaining .. u caused all the jam in subang jaya never hear subang jaya people complain.. deal with it, u caused the jam in subang.. now have a taste of your own medicine :) :rolleyes:

Having seen the mistake of the past and it's jam...Is it right to continue to make another mistake or is it right to go ahead even if the end result in known to be wrong...? The process of righting the wrong in SJ have to take priority...

lbn

12-10-2005, 02:07 PM

It's a fact that we never learned from mistakes, esp. so with the authorities. Because of this fact, we've to accept it and do the necessary. We've to pool our strength as what you guys, 1. Jayendran 2. PC Yeoh 3. Nina 4. Adzman
5. Peter Hng 6. Bob Kee 7. Raymond Tan, etc. are doing is great. Very well done! Unity is strength! We've to act, not drip!

tan_r

12-10-2005, 02:11 PM

250+ signatures collected from the school today. :D :) Thanks, everyone.

MOYSC

12-10-2005, 02:27 PM

i dont know why u usj residents are complaining .. u caused all the jam in subang jaya never hear subang jaya people complain.. deal with it, u caused the jam in subang.. now have a taste of your own medicine :) :rolleyes:

Hi EricK,

Why are we blaming among ourselves? Aren't we all victims of 'poor planning'? Besides, we're not just a complaning lot, as we did offer a feasible solution on this issue.

I do not agree to just 'deal with it', as if we do, we'll be suffering more consequences. Do not forget if we were to allow more traffic to come in from Batu Tiga into USJ roads (ie. Persiaran Tujuan), this traffic will eventually flow into Subang Jaya roads as well, as vehicles can skip paying the Batu Tiga toll & also skip its horrendous traffic jam at its toll booth!

Are we now suggesting that we do not mind more traffic into USJ/Subang Jaya or should we now do something to stop further road congestions? Just my opinion (no hard feelings).

Rgds, :)

Teeque

12-10-2005, 07:19 PM

Nina,

No need to respond to 'the other side'. They cannot see the problem as they are blinded by other 'material' considerations and start picking fights with us and blaming us. The problem now is bad town planning, lack of T & A of local council. Let's focus on our fight with the authorities as that is the crux of the problem, not 'the other side'.

orchipalar

12-10-2005, 09:12 PM

250+ signatures collected from the school today. :D :) Thanks, everyone.

Err...Whoa!...could get so many ar?...very good lor...thanks to the hardworking guys n gal...especially considering that...they had to collect the signatures...under the HOT sun today...:)

MOYSC

13-10-2005, 04:25 PM

1) Majority of parents, caretakers & even school transporters were very responsive to our plight and certainly are against the flyover link; (Thumbs up!)

2) Many would like to sign of their spouse's behalf, but could not remember their IC numbers; (perhaps we need another round & possibly to print out small leaflets bearing our contact numbers & links to usj.com for distribution?)

3) There was a Malay lady (non USJ/Subang resident) who had taken extra effort to purposely contact her relatives staying in USJ, just to get their ICs & sign on their behalfs; (I personally want to extend my heartfelt thanks to her!)

4) Even the bookshop owner/assistant at SK USJ12 had offered her support when she heard about our signature collection from other parents at the school; (which I later found out that we'll be neighbours soon!)

5)There was even one chinese man who had offered 4 signatures at one go, ie. names of his family members & relatives; (Bravo!, if only everyone of us were to be as supportive as him!)

Many thanks again to all the signatories out there! It gives us strength to move on further...

Cheers, :)

rusman

13-10-2005, 04:41 PM

This is from Dato Lee's web site. Well, at least the writer spelt my name correctly.
:cool:

Oct 13, 2005 ... Bridge that link USJ to Batu 3

My comments to sender

My Comments

-----------

I have confirmed with En Rusman bin Zaihan that he did not write this letter nor was it written with his permission or agreement. Definitely, this is a letter from a desperate person.

I have traced the sender to the cyber cafe concerned through my connection and I am sure I can trace the person who uses the leehwabeng@hotmail.com account; but why waste my time.

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

-----Original Message-----
From: Dato' Lee Hwa Beng [mailto:hwabeng@pc.jaring.my]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:48 PM
To: hwabeng1@streamyx.com
Subject: The Real Reason for Dato Lee to object to the Bridge that is link USJ to Batu 3

Tuan Mohd Arif Bin Ab. Rahman
Yang Dipertua,
Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya,

10th Oct 2005

Re: The Real Reason for Dato Lee Hwa Beng to object to the Bridge that is link USJ to Batu Tiga.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How can you tolerate the nonsensical behavior of YB Dato Lee Hwa Beng leading a group of UJS 3 residents in a noisy street demonstration last Saturday in protest of an issue approved by MPSJ in 1995 when he was then a council member and a party to the decision made; and he is still a council member of MPSJ? You have to discipline him as this is an anti-Barrison Government¡¯s convention of problem solving. It is the communist¡¯s way or resolving issue. He is currently a council member of PMSJ and should bring the matter to council for resolution and not other wise.

The link is not only approved by MPSJ but also in the Selangor Structural Plan. Construction of the link is part of the development order by MPSJ for both SIME UEP and Berjaya to comply in order to get a CF. Lembaga Lebuhraya Malaysia (LLM) has approved in principal this project.

Dato Lee is just a 49 years old vote catcher that misled his followers who was elevated to MCA's CWC recently. He is the crock of the first order, as a jobless man and was a bogus accountant practicing in Lim Foo Yoong Building which was since closed down. He has no proper business to support his political activities. His wife also does have proper income as a remisier.

Sime UEP has the most valuable piece of land left in MPSJ area with some 800 units of high end bungalows/semi-d worth RM 800 Million next to Subang Heights. To settle the problem Dato Lee exhorted Tan Sri Dato' Hamad Kama Piah bin Che Othman, Chairman of SIME UEP PROPERTIES BERHAD, for RM 10 Million.

Dato Lee, he spoke to Robin Tan (Tan Sri Vincent' Tan's son) who supported the link road in order not to have their corporate image may be tarnished. He wanted Berjaya to contribute RM % Million in order to settle the objection from USJ 3 residents.

The real reason for the demonstration which was led by Dato Lee Hwa Beng was to catch the big fishes. He uses his 40/50 odd ma-chais (cronies) to achieve by demonstating so that the finally settlement will mean squeezing RM 10 million from Sime UEP and RM 5 million from Selat Makmur (Berjaya group). He uses wrong message to mislead his ma-chais for his own benefits. Can somebody tell this to his ma-chais so that they can wake up from his hypnotism?

If the RM 15 Millions is paid to Dato¡¯ Lee, he will come up with another story saying that he is the man of peace and the residents of USJ3 are reasonable people. There will be no more demonstration, no signature champagne, polling on the website and so forth. Peace in pocket and pocket.

You can see him starting signature Champaign, running a poll in his website, calling for public hearings are some of his strategy to achieve the mean. He is the?Subang Jaya assemblyman in the ruling Barrisan and as a current council member of the MPSJ council. He has enough influence to get things done his way other than using dirty techtiqe . Why organize public demonstration against the decision of the MPSJ council which is part of the government? He acted like dirty opposing using political gimmicks rather than the National Front style of indoor negotiation to find solutions to problems.

The link road is 90% completed except for the bridge, over the KESAS Highway, linking both sides. The bridge cost RM 23 Million which will be paid by SIME UEP $15 Million and RM7.5 million contribution from Selat Makmur (Berjaya Group). The development does not cost MSSJ one single cent. Why Dato¡¯ Lee is anti-development? Better ask him to go to Egypt which he missed so much.

He is unpopular now; his last stance was the bridge objection from USJ1 to Puchong which saw many projects killed, not to mention that it has caused many investors to lose money!

He is a man without of principles or any moral fiber. He now objects to a project he approved previously. He does not support Subang Heights Resident because that is no longer his election territory??The electoral de-alienation happening in 2003 Subang Heights no longer in his electorate and became part of Shah Alam. He is selfish man.

High time we report him to:

1. YAB. Dato' Seri Dr. Mohamad Khir bin Toyo, (khir@selangor.gov.my)
Menteri Besar of Selangor State Government.

2. Tuan Mohd Arif Bin Ab. Rahman, (arif@mpsj.gov.my)
Yang Dipertua
Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya.

3. Dato¡¯ Seri Ong Ka Ting
President, MALAYSIA CHINESE ASSOCIATION (wismamca@tm.net.my )
Kementerian Perumahan dan Kerajaan Tempatan (menteri@kpkt.gov.my )
Minister of Housing and Local Government.

4. Datuk Seri Zulkipli Bin Mat Noor, Ketua Pengarah (info@bpr.gov.my)
BADAN PENCEGAH RASUAH MALAYSIA (Anti-corruption Agency).

5. Lau Seng Kok (MP for Kelana Jaya)

And finish this bastard off as quickly as possible.

Sekian,

Rusman Zaihan
Protem Chairman,
Persatuan Penduduk USJ3A, 3B, 3C & 3D.

p/s If anybody has anything to contribute, correction or need extra information, please contact me at: leehwabeng@hotmail.com
Thanks

tan_r

13-10-2005, 04:58 PM

.. but also in the Selangor Structural Plan. Construction of the link is part of the development order by MPSJ for both SIME UEP and Berjaya to comply in order to get a CF. Lembaga Lebuhraya Malaysia (LLM) has approved in principal this project.

... The link road is 90% completed except for the bridge, over the KESAS Highway, linking both sides. .... The development does not cost MSSJ one single cent. .
Rusman, if you still have the tape recordings of the hearing, you will find all those in bold repeated a few times.

rusman

13-10-2005, 05:03 PM

Rusman, if you still have the tape recordings of the hearing, you will find all those in bold repeated a few times.
:rolleyes:
I leave this issue to Dato's Lee office. He asked a favor from me to put this in the web and be transparent about it. I do not go after desperate people... but they just keep stepping on my red herrings.
:D

MOYSC

13-10-2005, 05:25 PM

This is from Dato Lee's web site. Well, at least the writer spelt my name correctly.
:cool:

Sekian,

Rusman Zaihan
Protem Chairman,
Persatuan Penduduk USJ3A, 3B, 3C & 3D.

p/s If anybody has anything to contribute, correction or need extra information, please contact me at: leehwabeng@hotmail.com
Thanks

Wow! His/her 'inglis' is simply outrageous! As good as his impersonation & impertinence! Luckily, all of us know Rusman's written English well... :D

bobkee

13-10-2005, 09:14 PM

Glad this was put up in a transparent manner.

He acted like dirty opposing using political gimmicks rather than the National Front style of indoor negotiation (emphasis mine) to find solutions to problems.Isn't this the cause of the whole problem in the first place? No consultation and lack of transparency.

jasonbhlee

13-10-2005, 11:48 PM

Most, if not all who subscribe to surat layang to fight their cause are people without balls! Normally this shows that their patience is waning...and probably already paying lots of interest to the bank for not being able to sell their bungalow lots. Anyway...we shall fight on....From the word 'go' these people has resorted to personal attack.....they will go all out to destroy people who jeapordise their course...but we shall stand. I suggest Raz makes a police report and get the real 'bastard'...he may be hiding behind pseudonyms , mask or whatever.....truth shall prevail...

Teeque

14-10-2005, 02:01 AM

I agree with jasonbhlee with making the police report.

These are not only acts of desperation but also of ruthless and malicious intentions by a bunch of dangerous people. A couple of very well known and respected names and their good office has been implicated by the perpetrator/s in the involvement of corruption, hints of CBT and slander with malicious intent. This 'desperate and cowardly' act will be of very damaging and slanderous consequences to the reputation, integrity and high regards held by the people whose names are mentioned in this poison pen email.
And these perpetrator/s will be ruthless enough to resort to any means to win their cause, especially when it may involve huge sums of losses for them. What other ruthless 'acts of desperation' they will do, we cannot imagine. But it is best to protect yourself and your family first before anything untoward happens.

rusman

14-10-2005, 11:36 AM

As a leader, you must be accountable for your actions. As far as I am concern I have integrity & good standing in my profession, my community and my family; and I dare say residents in USJ3ABCD and I do not subscribe to such dirty tactics.

Unfortunately, I am unable to say what more I have done on this issue.

I hope this issue will not be given any more mileage and that all Subang and USJ residents concentrate in ensuring the proposed flyover will not be built as it will be a safety hazard to our school children in USJ12 and USJ4 and increased traffic into Persiaran Tujuan. There is still a lot more that needs to be done. 'Perjalanan kita masih jauh, perjuangan kita belum selesai...'

Keep your eye on the ball, everything else is just noise. :cool:

rusman

14-10-2005, 12:13 PM

Found out from the grape vine that in our public hearing on Sep 30, the spectacled person sitting next to Shaun (SH residents' head) who assisted him in the presentation (on the traffic, distance, school) was a Selat Makmur staff.

I thought the public hearing was for residents. So their developer is also getting a free ride...

So the playing field is not even, eh? Well money can get you places; but you cannot fool everyone everytime. :)

yokeimm

14-10-2005, 01:25 PM

En Rusman,

regardless of what have been said and/or done by people with very little or no integrity, we are proud of you and you have our support.

yokeimm.

jasonbhlee

14-10-2005, 02:12 PM

Yokeimm....to show our support....try to get as many people as possible to sign on our objection forms as well as the online petition. get as many of your family members to join this crusade...
Tq.

yokeimm

14-10-2005, 04:59 PM

done that. :)

pcyeoh

15-10-2005, 12:18 AM

This is from Dato Lee's web site. Well, at least the writer spelt my name correctly.
:cool:

Oct 13, 2005 ... Bridge that link USJ to Batu 3

My comments to sender

My Comments

-----------

I have confirmed with En Rusman bin Zaihan that he did not write this letter nor was it written with his permission or agreement. Definitely, this is a letter from a desperate person.

I have traced the sender to the cyber cafe concerned through my connection and I am sure I can trace the person who uses the leehwabeng@hotmail.com account; but why waste my time.

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya
-----Original Message-----
From: Dato' Lee Hwa Beng [mailto:hwabeng@pc.jaring.my]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:48 PM
To: hwabeng1@streamyx.com
Subject: The Real Reason for Dato Lee to object to the Bridge that is link USJ to Batu 3

Tuan Mohd Arif Bin Ab. Rahman
Yang Dipertua,
Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya,

10th Oct 2005

Re: The Real Reason for Dato Lee Hwa Beng to object to the Bridge that is link USJ to Batu Tiga.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How can you tolerate the nonsensical behavior of YB Dato Lee Hwa Beng leading a group of UJS 3 residents in a noisy street demonstration last Saturday in protest of an issue approved by MPSJ in 1995 when he was then a council member and a party to the decision made; and he is still a council member of MPSJ? You have to discipline him as this is an anti-Barrison Government¡¯s convention of problem solving. It is the communist¡¯s way or resolving issue. He is currently a council member of PMSJ and should bring the matter to council for resolution and not otherwise . .................................................. ...................................

Below posting is done upon the request by the Secretary of the USJ Residents Association.

Below posting is done upon the request by the Secretary of the USJ Residents Association.

STATEMENT BY THE USJ RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION WITH REGARDS TO ANONYMOUS E-LETTER WITH DEFAMATORY AND MALICIOUS CONTENT REGARDING PROPOSED FLYOVER LINK FROM BATU 3 (SUBANG HEIGHTS) INTO USJ 3ABCD (VIA PERSIARAN SETIA/PERSIARAN TUJUAN)

Subang Jaya, October 14, 2005: The USJ Residents Association (USJRA) was informed of a defamatory email posting, on October 13, 2005, in the website of the Subang Jaya ADUN (www.hwabeng.org.my and which was subsequently re-posted on the website www.usj.com.my under the forum thread entitled "Proposed Batu Tiga Flyover linking Persiaran Tujuan at USJ3ABCD ".

The alleged email was signed off by an individual/individuals who posed himself/herself as "Rusman Zaihan" (Pro-tem chairman of USJ3ABCD neighbourhood group) and had implicated the Subang Jaya ADUN, YB Dato’ Lee Hwa Beng, and Sime UEP Sdn Bhd. The email was written with many defamatory and malicious references and comments as well as containing inaccurate information.

The USJRA wishes to state that it regrets this cowardly and despicable action by the individual/s concerned. It views the action and motive by the said individual/s simply as an act of sheer desperation borne out of the fear of the pending outcome of the controversial proposed flyover link from Batu 3 (Subang Heights) into USJ 3ABCD (via Persiaran Setia and Persiaran Tujuan). The USJRA maintains its firm opposition to the proposed flyover link and will not be deterred by external threats and insinuations in its
approach in resolving the issue.

Although the USJRA, and supported by the JKP Zones 1-3 and JKP Zone 7 (covering Subang Jaya SS12-19, USJ 1- USJ 28), is supporting both USJ and Subang Jaya residents in rejecting the proposed flyover link, the Association maintains an above-board approach to resolving the issue with MPSJ, the developers involved, and other related local authorities.

It deplores any move to stoop below human intelligence and dignity, such as through the issuance of poison-pen emails/letters with malicious intent, which will damage the repute and good office of the various players in this controversy, as a means to threaten through legal suits, and/or, sway opinions regarding the controversial flyover link. The USJRA will continue to maintain its negotiations with the parties concerned with full integrity and honesty.

Thus far, the USJRA has participated, with decorum, in the MPSJ-organised public hearing (held on September 28, 2005) and held several dialogues with local parties concerned in an effort to highlight the foreseen consequences of the proposed flyover link, which is anticipated to bring in increased traffic from Batu 3 into an already-traffic congested USJ/Subang Jaya township as well as compromise the safety of some 3000 school-children population studying at the two schools in USJ 12 vicinity. It has also launched a mass signature campaign among USJ/SJ residents to rally consensus as a means to resolve the issue.

A police report has been initiated against the perpetrator of the malicious email and the USJRA will leave all further action in the good hands of the Police.

In the same context, the USJRA wishes to clarify that it is apolitical in its approach in handling the controversial proposed flyover link and will maintain its non-political inclination.

Although various political figures, including several opposition figures, were present during the launch of its mass-signature campaign last October 8, 2005 at USJ3D area, the USJRA wishes to stress that their presence was of a voluntary nature and had not been prior solicited by the USJRA nor its residents. The only invited dignitaries officially invited to the campaign launch were Subang Jaya State Assemblyman, YB Dato’ Lee Hwa Beng, and Kelana Jaya Member of Parliament, YB Loh Seng Kok.

The political personalities came on their own accord or in accordance to their rights by virtue of their residency in USJ/Subang Jaya itself – to these personalities concerned, the USJRA is appreciative of their support in as much as it also values the support of all residents and the relevant
authorities involved.

The USJRA is committed to a *win-win solution* which will address the concerns and needs of both residents from USJ and Subang Heights (and other future developments).

Our proposal for alternative access i.e. a direct exit from Subang Heights to the Kesas highway takes into consideration the foreseeable consequences of increased traffic flow and the existing traffic ecology, and is not just based on convenience which everyone naturally wants.

The USJRA is hopeful for the receptiveness of the parties involved in seeking a feasible solution, which will be a testimony of their sincerity and selfless attitude in seeking a win-win situation for all.

For media inquiries, please contact: Mr P. Jayen – President, USJ Residents Association (HP: 016-975 3540), Ms Eileen Cheah – Hon Secretary, USJRA (HP: 013-342 7808) or Encik Rusman Zaihan – ProTem Chairman USJ 3ABCD (HP:012-311 9111).

pcyeoh

15-10-2005, 12:42 AM

rusman

16-10-2005, 06:55 PM

Can you post the picture of when their presentation was being made...

rusman

16-10-2005, 07:01 PM

lbn

16-10-2005, 09:08 PM

I heard from the grapevine that certain individuals (or its reps) have been going to MPSJ without fail every Friday (YDP meet the people session) to request MPSJ for the Batu Tiga proposed flyover link to be built.

They claim to be USJ residents and want their request recorded by MPSJ, purportedly so that the impression given is that only a minority do not want the proposed flyover.
:p

I won't be surprised. They're not wrong to say that they're USJ residents. Only that they didn't mention that they're also property owners of Subang Heights. Just like my across-the-road neighbour who owns a bungalow lot in SH. He went around canvassing how the link would benefit the USJ/SJ community and how selfish of those who opposed to it. He went house to house in our neighbourhood and posted the "Subang Heights Signature Campaign" list in the petrol kiosks. You may refer to my earlier posting on this matter. It looks like they're going all ways to get the link realised. :cool:

pcyeoh

16-10-2005, 10:12 PM

The current battle we are engaging with the Subang Heights people is like the war between the Israelis and the Arabs. Unfortunately we are fighting this battle like the Arabs. Except for a handful of us who are actively engaging in the battle front, many of you are rather complacent and chose to let others fight for you. Many of you chose to remain silent. When we called for volunteers to collect signatures at the 2 schools, only the usual people came forward. Just as what I expected. If we could fight like there was no tomorrow in the Balai issue, I don't understand why we cannot do so for this issue. I expect USJ 3ABCD residents to be more vocal and aggressive. Just look at the Subang Heights people. We see and hear so much of them. Only God knows what they are doing for things we didn't hear about them. They are fighting like the Israelis. Even a friend of mine who has a vested interest and wanted the link very badly approached me and even dared to ask me to bug off. But are we daring enough to ask our immediate neighbour just for his signature to support us? I am not even talking about all neighbours down the road. I just admire the Subang Height's courage and their never say die attitude. Look at their numbers - less than 300 and they seemed to be everywhere. We read and heard about them. And just look at us. If this is the way we are going to fight this battle, the conclusion is already foregone. Are we going to wait until Persiaran Setia become another Jalan Kewajipan before we lift our finger to fight? My friend, it is already too late then. No point closing the stable door when the horses have bolted. What is left in the stable are asses like you and me. In the next few days, MPSJ would be convening its full council meeting and make a decision. If the decision is in favour of them, then to fight to overturn the decision is like swimming upstream against the torrents. So before D-Day, let us be more active. How? Let's say when I say jump, you ask how high and not "who is going to jump?"

Teeque

17-10-2005, 02:58 AM

Heard from very reliable sources that Selat Makmur will be at MPSJ council meeting tomorrow morning. And all the SH committee members will be there as Selat Makmur reps. I dont know if our JKPs are attending but who among us residents can go, pls go.

rusman

17-10-2005, 10:27 AM

Heard from very reliable sources that Selat Makmur will be at MPSJ council meeting tomorrow morning. And all the SH committee members will be there as Selat Makmur reps.
MPSJ needs to hear from the developers now, both Sime UEP and Selat Makmur. If the SH residents are there, then this is downright dirty tactic. :mad:

pcyeoh

17-10-2005, 10:52 PM

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Dear All

thought I would bring this up.

Over the weekend, one of our neighbours dropped by and asked us to sign a petition. I responded without thinking that I had already signed. When I looked more closely, it was a petition to support the link. Our neighbour is going 2 b one of the Subang Heights residents.

So dont be like me. Do sign the right petition with big eyes opened.

mrs goh

I can bet you that every petition supporting the Link is being done with self interest - that person who asked you for your signature has a property at Subang Heights. How selfish can one be. But for those who are against the Link, it is not that we are selfish that we do not want to share the road system here with those Subang Heights folks. The road system here in USJ is a world class system but with no proper planning on the population density, any system however good it is will be screwed up and in the end nobody wins. This is precisely the reason why we oppose any new access road that brings in more traffic than benefits to we poor folks of USJ. I would like to have another access to the Federal Highway but not at the expense of others having to make greater sacrifices. Someone said the world can meet everyone's need but not everyone's greed. This is very true in the case of this link road. The Subang Heights people cannot say we want a link to send our children to school, to go to Giant to shop, to Summit Hotel to yam seng. These are all greed as in doing so, it subjects everyone else living in USJ especially in USJ 3 ABCD to live with the horrendous jam and noise for following closely behind them are tons of traffic from Batu Tiga and Shah Alam taking a free ride. Unless they can prove that they will be the only ones using the link, the link should not be built.

jasonbhlee

17-10-2005, 11:31 PM

Firstly, from the very first hearing...those SH guys told everyone that only very limited people will use the link, thereby will not cause any traffic jam. Now they are getting signatures saying that many people want the link. What they are trying to tell us is that many commuters from batu Tiga wants to come in via the flyover to work in areas such as Taipan and ss15 business centers. There is where they are getting their signatures from. Do it with your eyes wide open.....

rusman

18-10-2005, 09:49 AM

Very well put.

In summary their arguments are as follows:
- they need the link to send their children to school in USJ (Batu Tiga has its own school)
- they need the link because they need an exit (Batu Tiga has 2 exits to Persiaran Jubli Perak)
- they need an exit the current one floods (only true when it rains heavily but there is another exit)
- they need the flyover in case the flyover between USJ2 and SS18 collapse (we have another flyover at Summit)
- they do not want a slip road into KESAS because entering thru Summit interchange is jammed (what about other existing USJ residents that have to endure jam everyday??)
- the safety issue in USJ12 can be resolved if all parents drop their children by the side lane in USJ12/1 (side lane gate does not exist and road too narrow for the 2 schools!)
- they need the exit because their developer has promised them one (settle it with developer)
- they need exit because they love Subang residents (but they make personal attacks against its representatives)

Chermaine

18-10-2005, 11:09 AM

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NO FLYOVER....LOOK AT THE JAM!!!!

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jasonbhlee

18-10-2005, 11:56 AM

These are very nic pics Chermaine! Illustrates the situation well, much better than the earlier ones taken by Raz.

Chermaine

18-10-2005, 12:01 PM

Thanks! Can do it better if I was not driving alone! I didn't know the traffic could be so terrible if not I went home half day leave yesterday! So sad the jam!!! So dont care la....snap pictures only!!!

rusman

18-10-2005, 12:15 PM

We should also post the pictures of Subang Heights and their gated community. Then USJ residents can appreciate the impact of the proposed flyover to them and us. Whether there is heavy traffic or not, heavy vehicles or not, they live behind 8 foot walls and can exit from their gated community via a set of traffic lights (in anticipation of high traffic volume).

The irony of it all, they say they want to send children to school in USJ (even though there is a school there in Batu Tiga) but they do not care about the safety hazard posed by the heavier traffic to school children in USJ12.

Makes you wonder their motive.

ksj_cool

18-10-2005, 02:18 PM

What's is the latest on this matter? How far is the signature campaign?

rusman

18-10-2005, 02:25 PM

How far is the signature campaign?
Both sides gone very far. One side says flyover will only be used by 300 resdeints but they too getting signatures. So, it is obvious, they too admitting that there will be heavy traffic into Persiaran Tujuan.
:o

ksj_cool

18-10-2005, 03:12 PM

If you have just 300 residents wanting a flyover, where is the justifiction???

bobkee

18-10-2005, 03:49 PM

If you have just 300 residents wanting a flyover, where is the justifiction???Is there even need for one? It's not even about the 300 odd residents from SH .. sheesh .. talk about barking up the wrong tree et al.

While the stakeholders (ie. the residents) are busy being distracted by slugging it out with each other, those with the real vested interests (the approvers, the contractors, etc) are already right in the midst of horse trading and carving up the pie.

But what the heck do I know? Or rather, what the heck am I supposed to know?

Ah well .. until the next big "inconvenience" (the Tesco-USJ1 link comes to mind) ...........

:rolleyes:

Oh yeah .. reminds me .. I gotta put up a prominent link to the petition at my site.

;) :rolleyes: :cool: :p

rusman

18-10-2005, 09:45 PM

While the stakeholders (ie. the residents) are busy being distracted by slugging it out with each other, those with the real vested interests (the approvers, the contractors, etc) are already right in the midst of horse trading and carving up the pie.

That may not be the case if I hear correctly from the grapevine. What was the cost of the proposed flyover again?? I mean the true cost...

jayan

19-10-2005, 12:35 AM

Bob may be right, lets remained focused in our aim, the target is no more traffic flowing through Subang Jaya/USJ. Should we continue to present a united front, the authorities WILL listen. They have in the past and I am confident they will listen again. They have no choice.

We have not been unreasonable, we have presented viable alternatives for consideration. Lets remain united and focused. Set aside minor differences, and stand beside each other for a common good.

Now have YOU signed the petition yet ? If not, NOW is a good time.

regards
Jayan

orchipalar

19-10-2005, 12:38 AM

Err...to the Folks whom may have any vested interests over n across the expressway:)...they need to realize one thang clear...ahem...over at this end...we are known to be...The "United Subang Jaya" residential community...

Ahem...IF that is NOT clear enough reality for them...err...they should take a closer look at the Balai Polis USJ8 reserved land...again:o

Err...having emphasized that...they should then realize further...that the so called...ahem...either "proposed or approved" flyover project...from Subang Hitech/Heights/Batu 3 link to USJ 3ABCD...would inevitably suffer with the same fate(OBJECTIONS from ALMOST ALL of the USJ/SJ community residents)...similar to the one so called "approved" FoodCourt project(foundation works had even been started in full swing back then)...which was to be built on the Balai Polis USJ8 reserved land...

But obviously so now...that episode has been made into the history book of USJ/SJ community!

Ahem...OH YES!!!...please be reminded that...WE would be MORE than willing...to carry any such "burdens" on our backs...n do whatever is necessary again!...n walk the extra miles with it...err...ALL the way to the Highest Authorities possible...when we would inevitably get this issue...to be resolved by ALL available n appropriate means...n to finally have it in OUR favors...:)

mackzulkifli

19-10-2005, 01:10 AM

I have made the petition form available online as well. It would be good if we could get our neighbours, some of whom do not log on online, to sign the form as well. We could just rpint it out and pass them the copies.

On the other hand, should any of you want to send emails to garner support, you could just insert the link in the content. I am using that method in my email campaign to my neighbourhood.

[Link: USJRA petition form (http://www.brandmalaysia.com/mack/petitionform.pdf) ]

Teeque

19-10-2005, 02:25 AM

Look closely at picture no. 3 that Chermaine posted. There are not only light but also heavy vehicles passing thru that road. And at the site where you can see children crossing the road, there is an automobile trailer next to these helpless children. The trailer most likely came from the Proton plant at TP. If the Batu 3 link is opened, you can imagine thousands of these huge trailers from the Batu 3 industrial areas passing thru that area everyday. And these poor, helpless children would be at the highest risk from these heavy trailer vehicles.

Teeque

19-10-2005, 03:24 AM

So pls vote la...for the future generation's sake...

jasonbhlee

19-10-2005, 12:27 PM

It seems there are humans with 3 tongues lurking in usj/sj..beware!

I was told that there are people who claims that they are from group of SH purchasers and at the same time they represents the developer Selat Makmur in their presentation and also at the same time says that they are part of USJ who wants the flyover........Wah!.....conflict, conflict...!
Just be wary and not be conned. Rely on the pics posted by Chermaine....it tells a thousand stories...no sandiwara. You know what heavy traffic can cause....look at Alicia....let's sit up and take note! It's going to be a big mess in USJ12, junction at Jalan Tujuan/uSJ12 school. If you are coming from usj12 and trying your luck driving across into usj3......you can forget it. Try looking for another flyover into Jalan Tujuan. We have to put a stop to this nonsense!

rusman

19-10-2005, 10:49 PM

Very reliable sources tell me that the SH speculators and their developer is trying to bulldoze the approval of the LLM design!

Watch this space for what we can do.

:mad:

yokeimm

20-10-2005, 09:57 AM

i have downloaded and xeroxed copies of the petition from Mack's. just wondering when is the deadline for all signed petitions to be submitted. i am circulating and collecting. takes a bit of time collecting. ppl take the petition home for mum, dad, wife, husband, brothers, sisters, friends, neighbours to sign. gotto give these ppl time to do their bit. worry that by the time i make the collection, the petition period is closed. :o can anyone help?

jasonbhlee

20-10-2005, 10:34 AM

we need to collect all the forms by this weekend. This is to collate the total signatures collected. We can still collect signatures until end of this mth.

Teeque

20-10-2005, 06:21 PM

It has been confirmed that the MPSJ meeting with developers has been postponed to next week 24 Oct. By which time we would need to collect and collate all the signatures that everyone has passed out. And physical signatures would be best but online would suffice if you also include your IC No. But the campaign will still carry on until end of this month.

For collection, you can contact any members of the USJRA or alternatively, leave it in the collection box at the USJ 4 Guard house (Opposite Apollo restoran). For any further info, kindly email info.usjra@gmail.com.

rusman

21-10-2005, 06:58 PM

Pls be carfeil when some asks you to sign something!

Many residents in Subang Jaya and USJ have been duped into signing against the flyover campaign when in actual fact the petition is for the flyover. Irresponsible people who only think about money are going around telling people how te flyover will benefit residetns when in fact they conveniently omit out the fact that there is a school at USJ12. Do not gamble your children lives and the sake of convenience of a few speculators.

Read the petition properly and if in doubt, do not sign the petition!! Contact your ADUN or JKP for more details.
:mad:

Teeque

22-10-2005, 05:38 PM

Has anyone thought of setting up a signature booth at MPSJ on Monday to collect signatures while the MPSJ / developers meeting is taking place? Or distribute flyers out to that effect? We could probably get some signifant no. of signatures that day...

kwchang

22-10-2005, 11:37 PM

Logic tells me that doing anything in the MPSJ premises requires their permission. Do you like being thrown out of the gate?

jasonbhlee

23-10-2005, 12:18 AM

Heard that the meeting has been postponed.........

mackzulkifli

23-10-2005, 07:32 PM

Looks like the other side has upped their propaganda campaign. A small group of people were spotted in USJ6 talking to people (especially those buying food for buka puasa). They were proponents for the building of the flyover, and were propagating the 'good' it will bring to the community. They were passing leaflets as well.

I did not take one, I did not have to. When I came home I found one in my postbox.

http://www.brandmalaysia.com/mack/propaganda.jpg

rusman

23-10-2005, 10:17 PM

They conveniently forget about the safety issue of the 2 schools at USJ12, the existing heavy traffic in Persiaran Jubli Perak and the Persiaran Tujuan. What some people will do just for money and personal benefit.

Well, they have their developer to bankroll their campaign. I suppose when a child is involved in an accident, only then will everyone stop to think, by then it will be too late. Some would have already laughed all the way to the Bank.

pcyeoh

23-10-2005, 10:56 PM

They were proponents for the building of the flyover, and were propagating the 'good' it will bring to the community.

Yes folks of this community, you better wake up from your slumberland. While you are alseep, these people are hookwinking our folks. They are stooping so low as to tell a blantant lies after lies about this "feel good feeling" about this flyover.

Blantant Lie No 1- New Subang exit to Shah Alam, KLIA and Klang.
How can this proposed exit be better than the ones we already have. I go to these 3 places and the current exits serve me perfectly well. I can go to KLIA via Jalan Kewajipan out through the USJ exit at the North South Link without much problem. To Shah Alam and Klang, I use the KESAS at Summit though it may be a bit of a jam. At least these are direct routes. Now, if I were to use the proposed new link, not only is it longer but I will end up at Subang Hi Tech at the two tunnels and from there it is not only going out through a maze of narrow roads but I have to fight for space with the infamous Subang Hi Tech-Central Sugar chaotic traffic. I will be even too late to catch the slow boat to China. If the roads here are so great, why are the folks in Subang Heights not using them? They are so 'generous' to invite you to share their pains there.

Blantant Lie No 2 - Specially for cars only. No lorries and industrial vehicles.
How on earth and blantant can they be? Show me a highway that are exclusively built for cars only? How is MPSJ going to prevent heavy vehicles from using the link road? Putting a gantry across a main road is not only illegal but also suicidal. I have travelled the length and breadth of the country and I have yet to see a gantry being placed across a busy main road. The reason why they stoop so low to tell this lie is to get our mindshare that this link is good for us. But don't bite the bait. Once the link is up, they are going to tell you a sad story to make you cry - sorry folks, JKR and JPJ say No Gantry across the main road. Story ends and you teh lampa if you still have them. In the first you have lost them when you say Yes to the Link.

Blantant Lie No 3 - More business opportunity for the Subang Jaya/USJ community
Ah maybe this one have some truth in it but my friend, it doesn't augur well for you and me. More business opportunities means more traffic coming into our community and more traffic jam, triple parking, honking, screaming, noise, pollution and like all bad things come in pairs - more crime. Do you want all these compliment from Subang Heights?

Blantant Lie No 4 - It provides alternative access to Shah Alam, Klang, KLIA, Guthrie Corridor, Kota Kemuning etc thereby better connectivity
Ah maybe this one have more truth in it. I must say sorry to them and thank them for pointing this out to us. But friends, are we having a Visit Subang Jaya/USJ Year campaign that we are inviting traffic from all these areas into our community? If we can go there so can they come here. Just imagine the mother of all traffic jam happening right at your door steps.

Blantant Lie No 5 - It will reduce traffic jam in Subang Jaya and USJ
Now if this is not a lie, tell me which is. You will be shocked to know that almost all out going traffic are heading towards Kuala Lumpur. If this KL bound traffic is not going to use the proposed link due to Blantant Lie No 1, then with more incoming traffic from Blantant Lie No 2-4, they are telling us that it will reduce traffic jam. Are they thinking that we were just borned yesterday? Come on. But there is one truth they are not telling us inspite of all the 5 lies they are bombarding us. They never say anything in fact they remain completely silent about the 2,700 school children who need to use the Persiaran Setia everyday to commute to school. Kids who are cycling and 6 years old who are walking on roads with completely no pedestrian walkway. Hundreds are dicing with their lives dashing across the road without any pedestrian bridge in sight. How could these people think of money money and money without a simple thought to these young children? Don't you think you should say NO to them instead and ask them to get lost for telling all these dirty lies to you. Think about that before you sign your children's lives away.

orchipalar

23-10-2005, 11:06 PM

Blantant Lie No 2 - Specially for cars only. No lorries and industrial vehicles.
How on earth and blantant can they be? Show me a highway that are exclusively built for cars only? How is MPSJ going to prevent heavy vehicles from using the link road? Putting a gantry across a main road is not only illegal but also suicidal. I have travelled the length and breadth of the country and I have yet to see a gantry being placed across a busy main road. The reason why they stoop so low to tell this lie is to get our mindshare that this link is good for us. But don't bite the bait. Once the link is up, they are going to tell you a sad story to make you cry - sorry folks, JKR and JPJ say No Gantry across the main road. Story ends and you teh lampa if you still have them. In the first you have lost them when you say Yes to the Link.

Err...when heavier vehicles such as...the school/factory buses...utility service trucks...n emergency service vehicles...would DEFINITELY be using this flyover link...there is NO WAY...they can stop ANY commercial vehicles from using it as well... :rolleyes:

orchipalar

24-10-2005, 02:17 AM

Blantant Lie No 3 - More business opportunity for the Subang Jaya/USJ community.
Ah maybe this one have some truth in it but my friend, it doesn't augur well for you and me. More business opportunities means more traffic coming into our community and more traffic jam, triple parking, honking, screaming, noise, pollution and like all bad things come in pairs - more crime. Do you want all these compliment from Subang Heights?

Err...more often than not...folks would say...the truth hurts...how true is it? :o

Err...Orchi was told that...ahem...having the lack of accessibility n being located so close n next to many foul smelling...noisy...congested...n probably toxic fuming...heavy industrial factories...that piece of land across the expressway was previously RE-Converted(miraculously) n earmarked for a certain 'doomed' bungalow housing development...err...from the very beginning...?:o

Ahem...how it gotten 'exchanged hands' later...with ties to Berjaya group could be another matter altogether which...err...Orchi fails to see any need or relevance to mentioned it here...though:o

Err...n the way Orchi fails to see it also...the Flyover linking the bungalows housing development to USJ3ABCD...would be the ONLY hope to the possibility that...any of the 300 or so...investors(who could be feeling short changed by MUCH since) would seek out...any daylight or fresh air...at THIS END of that stinking tunnel...? :rolleyes:

Ahem...in the first place...the price for that piece of good for nothing else land...was 'dirt cheap' under those circumstances...by comparison ...to the developer there...BUT then again...any smarter house buyers would have realised by NOW(otherwise Orchi would be a bigger fool)...that the costs to build the proposed n so called DO or DIE Flyover across to this end of the greener pasture...would have already been 'included' or 'taken care of' by the end purchase prices of those individually 'crafted' bungalow lots...?

Err...similarly...the BIG developer boys over at this end of the greener pasture...could also have 'some leftover' land(unproductive existing crops) next to that piece of 'doomed' land...that they too...could one day explore further for 'future' possibility...by having to agree also to 'share' the construction costs of the so called...DO or DIE Flyover...? :o

Ahem...so when the stakes would DEFINITELY be soaring Mightly HIGH...'the parties concerned' would inevitably be willing to expense ALL possible means also...DO or DIE...to attempt for what they want...err...wouldn't any of you say so too...??? :o

Teeque

24-10-2005, 05:26 AM

Blantant Lie No 1- New Subang exit to Shah Alam, KLIA and Klang.
How can this proposed exit be better than the ones we already have. I go to these 3 places and the current exits serve me perfectly well. I can go to KLIA via Jalan Kewajipan out through the USJ exit at the North South Link without much problem. To Shah Alam and Klang, I use the KESAS at Summit though it may be a bit of a jam. At least these are direct routes. Now, if I were to use the proposed new link, not only is it longer but I will end up at Subang Hi Tech at the two tunnels and from there it is not only going out through a maze of narrow roads but I have to fight for space with the infamous Subang Hi Tech-Central Sugar chaotic traffic. I will be even too late to catch the slow boat to China. If the roads here are so great, why are the folks in Subang Heights not using them? They are so 'generous' to invite you to share their pains there.

This is the tunnel they are asking USJ residents to use for exit whilst they themselves do not want to use it and prefer to cross a flyover to our side. What gives?

jayan

24-10-2005, 09:11 AM

My Dear neighbours, as you have gathered from the flurry of emails into this thread, it seems that the proponents to this link bridge are willing to stoop very low indeed. Thus far it has also come to our attention that residents are being duped into signing the petition for the bridge without being told exactly what the petition is for.

Please beware and understand what the petition is for before signing it, you may well have signed a petition that would only serve to increase trafic volume in Subang.

I appeal to you to help us to help make your living environment better. Members of the community have voluntereed thier time and effort to this cause. Lend us your support by signing the petition AGAINST the bridge and stand by us in this common cause.

To my fellow members of the USJRA, my thanks and gratitude, I salute you.

warm regards
Jayan

tan_r

24-10-2005, 02:43 PM

The following scenarios are likely to happen if the flyover is built.

1. Most traffic from Subang Heights & other parts of Shah Alam will use this flyover to short-cut to USJ, Subang Jaya, Federal Highway and Puchong and they will have to bypass Persiaran Setia and go into Persiaran Tujuan. The result? More traffic and more jams! Do you want that? Can Persiaran Tujuan take these additional traffic?

2. Some traffic from USJ and Puchong will use this flyover to short-cut to go to Shah Alam and they will have to bypass Persiaran Setia and go into Persiaran Tujuan. The result? More traffic and more jams! Do you want that? Can Persiaran Tujuan take these additional traffic?

3. Whichever way you look at it and whoever uses it, this flyover is only going to bring more chaos to the horrendous congestion we are all facing. Do you want that? Can we do anything about it? Yes, we can provided each and everyone of you steps forward and do your part by supporting our campaign and say NO TO THE BATU 3 - USJ 3 FLYOVER!

Sign the online petition: "No to Batu 3 Flyover Link into USJ3" here - http://www.petitiononline.com/usjra/ or drop by Double A Copy Centre at USJ 17.

rusman

25-10-2005, 09:56 AM

Heard that the meeting has been postponed.........
Meeting was canceled on Monday (Oct 24) morning (ie day of meeting itself).

Teeque

25-10-2005, 06:36 PM

When is the next meeting?

orchipalar

26-10-2005, 02:02 PM

Err...lately this thread about the freaking Flyover...has been shoved further n further away from the limelights...what's happening?:confused:

jayan

27-10-2005, 12:21 AM

Plenty has been happening !! So neighbours have you signed the NO petition yet ? Must be specific since the yes petition is also circulating. So be careful before you sign anything, ask and or read and then make up your mind.

regards
Jayan

pcyeoh

27-10-2005, 12:59 AM

Found this email addressed to Puan UmiKalthum who is the Head of Engineering in MPSJ. As a head, Puan Umilkalthum takes care of all the roads in MPSJ district. So this flyover project is her baby.

-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Creation

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:37 AM
To: umikalthum@mpsj.gov.my
Cc: hwabeng1@streamyx.com; lohsengkok@kelanajaya.com;
Subject: Divert Traffic To Kesas

Dear, Puan Umi and all the concern party,

As we all know what ever project we do, the project must benefit the people staying around it. As for this Batu 3 bridge link to USJ 3 A, B, C & D and USJ 12, TP and also USJ 3, is not so benefit for the residence there. This link will make the residence inconvenience whereby the junction which we use to go across the road will be closed, when there is heavy traffic. (like 2 main road link USJ and Subang Jaya) That means we have to make a big U-turn for (USJ 3 A and C residence) from the Batu 3 bridge to USJ12. What about the TP residence? Now they can go across the road to go to work conveniently without have to make a U-turn at the industrial junction traffic light. Same to USJ 12 and 3 residence. I believe when Batu 3 link is up we have to make a bridge also at the Industrial junction traffic light. This will cost $$$$$. Please don’t create a problem now and later on try to solve it. (Like Subang Jaya round about – which MPSJ has solve it right now, I give a credit on that- Job well done) We already solve the traffic problem in USJ-Subang Jaya, so don’t create another baby and try to solve it after 3 years. Listen to the residence staying around the concern project.

Don’t do a project because there is a ready FUND or already agreed by certain party. We have to pull our hand break and study/ understand the over all project again. (cermin-cerminkan diri dulu) Ask ourself first, are we doing the job to efficient, until we forget the effectiveness of the project concern.

So to the concern party please divert the traffic from Subang Height (Batu 3) to the Kesas Highway instead to RESIDENCTIAL AREA. This will also divert the traffic from K.L or Puchong via Batu 3 Link to Shah Alam instead of using Summit bridge. That’s mean Subang Jaya will have less traffic, indirectly will make USJ traffic going smoothly towards Subang Jaya as well as towards USJ. This will make us driving in Subang Jaya/USJ more enjoyable and less tension.

Thank you and best regards.

Barry Huang

Managing Director
(USJ3A resident)

MOYSC

27-10-2005, 08:11 AM

http://www.brandmalaysia.com/mack/propaganda.jpg

Gosh! so much has been happening lately. After reading the SH leaflet posted in here, just can't help to hold some of my comments...

1) ALTERNATIVE ACCESS

Well, its definitely an access to Guthrie Corridor but not entirely true on Shah Alam & Klang access, coz' it really depends which part of Shah Alam or Klang are road users heading to, besides looking traffic problems faced at Federal h/way exiting from Batu 3. Kota Kemuning (???) - how is this possible? Do enlighten me about it coz' it is already too easy for us to go to USJ/Subang via the existing KESAS h/way.

KLIA? I thought that USJ/Subang has already a very good access via the existing ELITE h/way? Why need to go all the way to Batu 3?

2) REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC JAMS

'It WILL REDUCE traffic jams' is a very strong & definite claim. Have anyone (the authorities or the SH residents) actually bothered to analyse the existing traffic situation before such a claim is made? Show us the 'figures' from traffic study simulations instead of just offering us 'baseless' claims.

Note : it is only logical that traffic will normally flow from a less matured area (ie. Batu 3) to a more matured area (ie. USJ/Subang) due to a simple reason - convenience to access to a wide-range of readily available ammenities (ie. famous town centers, shopping malls, famous schools & kindergartens, and of course be able to access USJ/Subang's network of h/way/road connectivity to neighbouring matured townships).

Hope some of the above comments can help us open up our eyes before we make decisions. :)

gtl

27-10-2005, 09:38 AM

yesterday's flooding in front of central sugar factory (subang height's entrance) makes them desparate for the flyover to USJ3A. we must STOP them from making use of USJ roads..........

Chermaine

27-10-2005, 12:19 PM

yesterday's flooding in front of central sugar factory (subang height's entrance) makes them desparate for the flyover to USJ3A. we must STOP them from making use of USJ roads..........

When I heard the radio annouced the flash flood at central sugar factory, i was thinking...what would happen to USJ3ABCD and jalan Tujuan if the flyover is up.....USJ3ABCD would not flood by water but cars from the other side! (

Bear in mind the traffic light at TP and tunnel to industrial area would flood when heavy rain! Once a BMW stuck right under the tunnel on the way out from TP because of flood!

Not only "their" tunnel would flood....ourside also facing the same thing!

No way cars can come in and out from USJ3ABCD!

:cool: one of this day I should standby there to take photo when heavy rain :rolleyes:

rusman

27-10-2005, 01:49 PM

Stand up for your rights: Kayveas
Maria J. Dass

PETALING JAYA: The public should take the cue from the residents of Taman Desaria and stand up against abuse of power, says Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk M.Kayveas.
“If all else fails, the judicial system is another avenue for them to fight against the abuse of power by the authorities,” he said when commenting on the High Court’s decision on Monday declaring null and void the development order issued by the Petaling Jaya Municipal Council (MPPJ) to Mentari Properties Sdn Bhd to build two blocks of low-cost flats and stalls.

“When it comes to standing up for their rights, most Malaysians are afraid of fighting (the) authorities saying ‘I don’t want any problems’,” he said yesterday.

However, like the 86 residents of Taman Desaria who refused to give up, more people are turning to the courts and this should send a clear message to the authorities that people will no longer tolerate abuse, he said.

Kayveas, who incurred the wrath of many alluding to the secrecy surrounding decision-making in local authorities, was commenting on the court decision which held that the MPPJ must hear the views of affected residents before issuing a development order for projects.

Justice Datuk Alizatul Khair Osman Khairuddin said meetings to hear residents’ opinions cannot be treated as a formality but instead should be viewed as a genuine platform for people to voice their opinions.

Said Kayveas, a former deputy minister in the Housing and Local Government Ministry which oversees local authorities: “I’m glad this happened and local authorities should take this as a wake-up call to stop misusing their powers."

He said that some authorities abuse their power to the extent of using it as threats and in some cases, blackmail.

To most people, home is not just the confines of their four walls, but includes their environment, cleanliness and tranquillity – in short the areas under the jurisdiction of the municipal council, he said .

Thus, the authorities should do their job by ensuring that this simple duty is achieved and not just concentrate on areas like licensing and enforcement, he added.

“The High Court decision is a victory for the people and I’m glad they had confidence in the judicial system, and at the end of the day received due justice from the courts,” said Kayveas, a lawyer.

Meanwhile Transparency International Malaysia chapter president Datuk Param Cumaraswamy in lauding the judgment said: “This judgment is a clear indication of the importance of an independent and impartial judiciary to extract accountability and transparency from public authorities."

There must be several similar situations where local authorities treated the objection proceedings as a mere “formality”, in many cases, after granting development orders, he said in a statement.

“Residents living in vicinity where development is being carried out or about to commence should take the lead from the residents of Taman Desaria to challenge such orders before the court if they were not given a right to object,” said Param.

“Local authorities should not be allowed to be a law unto themselves,” he said.

BRAVO

27-10-2005, 04:13 PM

MOYSC

27-10-2005, 06:01 PM

Bravo, you have all the RIGHTS to support the flyover but however, please do not make assumptions that 'everyone will benefit' from it. Everyone residing in USJ/Subang have their RIGHTS to know about this project and pros & cons to it. That is why this thread had been initiated.

As to why you see the familiar names repeatingly posting at this website, it is done so that others can follow-up on this flyover issue. Online comments can either be made public on this thread or alternatively, one can send email to info.usjra@gmail.com (if you prefer privacy).

I think it is not right to assume that the no. of people against the flyover is relational to the number of persons writing comments on this thread. This is not some kind of popularity or blockbuster thing for everyone to shout about.
Its a community issue, in which I'm afraid that it is never a favourite topic among most M'sians until consequences are suffered. :)

aisey watlah making a fuss just let it be done it will benefit many ppl i only c the same person making comments against this flyover .....if one day thw summit and the ss19 flyover is closed for any damage wat the hell are u ppl gonna do blame the gov or the mpsj .....u ppl r thinking of the road infront od ur house wat about the plus highway that effect the usj 3abc also is noisy with plane flying low to subang terminal also noisy wat next u want .....
lets say mpsj makes a low cost flat apt in usj 3abc so wat would ull wannna protest also ....why other are not human cause they r not as rich as u ll ..
so many reason but no solution all think of ur self......from the pict all can see there is a plan to make a road crossing the kesas were u all blind when u bought the propery izzit ....wannna take to court ....think can win ahhh.....samy will have many reason to make the road then u all have.....politics power....
maybe some big shots stay in ur place u can do anything we will cc...good luck ... :D

patrick

28-10-2005, 12:49 AM

aisey watlah making a fuss just let it be done it will benefit many ppl i only c the same person making comments against this flyover .....if one day thw summit and the ss19 flyover is closed for any damage wat the hell are u ppl gonna do blame the gov or the mpsj .....u ppl r thinking of the road infront od ur house wat about the plus highway that effect the usj 3abc also is noisy with plane flying low to subang terminal also noisy wat next u want ........ :D

Firstly, let me clarify that many of us objecting to the road link are NOT "thinking of the road infront of ur house" QUOTE. Far from the truth, many of us dont even stay near that area. The probable difference between us is we see the potential problems if this link road is built. I am not sure if you can see the trees for the forest.

Secondly, the "noisy planes" may be an irritant but they are not the potential problems anywhere near this proposed link road.

I am not sure where you are staying. But let me say that I feel very sad. Sometimes so many of the people here work soooo hard, and sacrifice sooo much for the benefit of the community at large, yet there are some people who not only cant see the trees for the forest but are prepared to wield a "shotgun" and shoot themselves in the toes.

Anyway, let me wish you all the best in your aspiration, for better or for worse.

jasonbhlee

28-10-2005, 02:18 AM

Firstly I am not sure where Bravo is staying....or probably working just infront of the deadly tunnel..so I don't blame him for wanting that flyover.. But to say that only the same few posting comments against the bridge on this thread....I want to tell Bravo to coun the number of people posting comments wanting the flyover in this thread. I also want to refer Bravo to the online petition which has until now 840+ objections plus the thousands of signatories against this bridge.

The flyer asking residents to support the link has many 'hoodwinking' lines. At the end of the flyer, it is signed off as 'Subang Heights Residents Association. They are asking USJ residents to support the link so that they can access to SA, Klang,blah,blah....If it is so beneficial to go to these areas through the tunnel, then shall we leave it to the SH residents to use the tunnel themselves? Theyare asking you to go out, so that they can come in......
Hahaha...good try though.

tykang

28-10-2005, 02:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BRAVO
aisey watlah making a fuss just let it be done it will benefit many ppl i only c the same person making comments against this flyover .....if one day thw summit and the ss19 flyover is closed for any damage wat the hell are u ppl gonna do blame the gov or the mpsj .....u ppl r thinking of the road infront od ur house wat about the plus highway that effect the usj 3abc also is noisy with plane flying low to subang terminal also noisy wat next u want .....
lets say mpsj makes a low cost flat apt in usj 3abc so wat would ull wannna protest also ....why other are not human cause they r not as rich as u ll ..
so many reason but no solution all think of ur self......from the pict all can see there is a plan to make a road crossing the kesas were u all blind when u bought the propery izzit ....wannna take to court ....think can win ahhh.....samy will have many reason to make the road then u all have.....politics power....
maybe some big shots stay in ur place u can do anything we will cc...good luck ...

Today 08:13 AM

Hi, I would like to add a point on why this access road should not be there. I live around the area of Tp.... (renting and not rich) and my major concern is not on the jam issue which majority of us are facing each morning. (it has almost become a norm to jam ur way out of USJ/Subang anyway :rolleyes: ) but rather on the safety of students around the area. USj 12 school is just right at the junction. Imagine now the area is already flooded with cars during school hours what more when the road is built. For the students safety even if we were to put a pedestrian bridge (which cost $$$$$) but like any other Malaysian we are, there are bound to be those that choose not to use the bridge. It would post as a dangerous road for the students. I would certainly not want to see another case of Alicia happening in the neighbourhood again.
Yes i do admit, it opens up an alternative to join Shah ALam and USJ thus probably cutting short our time of travelling but I would sincerely feel that the safety of the students should be looked into first than our own convenient.
So let us dig deep into our heart and find our answer ............. our / your conveneint or ................ students / children's safety??

Regards to all and Happy Deepavali & Selamat Hari Raya.

Teeque

28-10-2005, 02:29 AM

Much has been said about the pros and cons of the flyover link and no matter how you view it, the pros outweighs the cons hands down. Traffic and safety issues are real issues which can be overcome by simply doing without this link. Accessibility and connectivity for Subang/USJ residents? We hv more than enough access that we dont need more cars plying thru this neighborhood. No solution in sight you asked? Ahhh, but there is one very good one that benefits one and all and you did not even see or bother to evaluate it. For a posh property and anticipated property appreciation, normally, this solution would hv added much value to it. Not many exclusive projects can lay claim to this type of easy and exclusive access to an expressway that leads to everywhere and anywhere in Malaysia.

I believe that the authorities are not blind (unlike some 'light in the head' critics) and hv envisaged the 'trees in the forest'. And by their excellent vision and foresight, they are wise enough to do the right thing by not opening this 'Pandora's box' and bring a hosts of problems to the community. It is not only abt you and me, neighbors and neighborhoods, connectivity and community. It is abt good and proper town planning practices and management. It is abt sustainable urban living environment. And foremost of all, it is abt the accountability to the majority of the stakeholders of a vibrant township under the far-sighted administration of a visionary local council.

mackzulkifli

28-10-2005, 07:39 AM

Bravo, it looks like you have been a proponent of the flyover even before it became an issue of primary concern to a majority of USJ residents. You started this thread (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8381), where you had said,

why dont the authority make an acess to kesas through the new housing area in usj3c for the motorist to access to kesas and by this this the jamm going out and in for usj will reduce.

I can see where you are coming from now.

satigue

28-10-2005, 11:33 AM

Bravo,

i don't post here much but tht doesn't mean i m for the link. there r many forummers here who r just lurkers like me but following this thread closely.
so please don't speak for others.

rusman

28-10-2005, 11:45 AM

but rather on the safety of students around the area. USj 12 school is just right at the junction. Imagine now the area is already flooded with cars during school hours what more when the road is built. For the students safety even if we were to put a pedestrian bridge (which cost $$$$$) but like any other Malaysian we are, there are bound to be those that choose not to use the bridge. It would post as a dangerous road for the students. I would certainly not want to see another case of Alicia happening in the neighbourhood again.
So let us dig deep into our heart and find our answer ............. our / your conveneint or ................ students / children's safety??

Some children go to school by bicycle. How to use the bridge? Can a bridge be built so close to the traffic light and heavily utilized junctions? SH residents presented to MPSJ during the public hearing that school children can access the school via an existing side entrance. This is FALSE and an outright misrepresentation. No such side entrance exist and the road cannot accommodate all the vehicles.

On convenience: the proposed flyover is for whose convenience? Who will gain (financially) the most from it? Who will lose the most (in terms of safety, security and convenience?)

For those that are asking for the flyover, are they REALLY staying in SH? Or will they cash out once the flyover is built? A SH purchaser was heard saying during the public hearing that 'we are sufffering every month'. Its funny how there are no houses yet in SH but purchasers are 'suffering'.

fionatay

28-10-2005, 11:46 AM

Bravo,

i don't post here much but tht doesn't mean i m for the link. there r many forummers here who r just lurkers like me but following this thread closely.
so please don't speak for others.

Me too!!!!! Do not post much in this thread does not mean not support ;)

rusman

28-10-2005, 12:00 PM

why dont the authority make an acess to kesas through the new housing area in usj3c for the motorist to access to kesas and by this this the jamm going out and in for usj will reduce.

Bravo, the SH residents want a flyover with no slip roads what-so-ever (so that the name SUBANG Heights can be retained). The proposed flyover is not an interchange. It will definitely reduce traffic jam in Persiaran Jubli Perak every morning as cars from Batu Tiga/Shah Alam now have another alternative to get to Puchong/KESAS.

That is why it is better to have an access from SH directly into KESAS (bypassing USJ).

On the access from USJ into KESAS, I believe MPSJ is also working on this alternative USJ slip road access into KESAS from Persiaran Tujuan (benefiting SJ and USJ residents).

orchipalar

28-10-2005, 12:14 PM

sohhai

28-10-2005, 03:10 PM

:eek:

call me at 016-2932808 from 12.00 mid night to 7.00 am. to clear your mid and learn. :confused:

Other hours not entertaining.

orchipalar

28-10-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Sohhai: Know so little talk so much

call me at 016-2932808 from 12.00 mid night to 7.00 am. to clear your mid and learn.

Other hours not entertaining.

Err...for goodness sakes...it sounds like ya know more about what's going on with this issue...n IF you be willing to...please share...:)

CCY

28-10-2005, 08:32 PM

:eek:

call me at 016-2932808 from 12.00 mid night to 7.00 am. to clear your mid and learn. :confused:

Other hours not entertaining.

Well...Soh hai ..if you really have that much good that is way out of what everyone here knows why just keep quiet . SPELL it out for all to hear if you have to otherwise just keep it to yourself ...Sohhai....:(

orchipalar

28-10-2005, 09:44 PM

Err...without the freaking Flyover Link into USJ3ABCD...or an access road entry/exit at KESAS...Subang Heights land or property developement...is worthless...!!!

Ahem...Orchi being a freaking retard...knows as much...

Know so little talk so much:eek:

call me at 016-2932808 from 12.00 mid night to 7.00 am. to clear your mid and learn. :confused:

Other hours not entertaining.

Originally posted by CCY:): Well...Soh hai ..if you really have that much good that is way out of what everyone here knows why just keep quiet . SPELL it out for all to hear if you have to otherwise just keep it to yourself ...Sohhai....
Err...dear CCY:)...Nah...Orchi still feels that he may know just as much...as what Orchi(freaking retard) knows already...:o

Ahem...Orchi stands to be wrong...err...n to repeat again what Orchi knows..that being...without the freaking Flyover Link into USJ3ABCD...or an access road entry/exit at KESAS...Subang Heights land or property developement...is freaking worthless...!!! :rolleyes:

pcyeoh

29-10-2005, 12:38 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/SubangUSJ.jpg

.....if one day thw summit and the ss19 flyover is closed for any damage wat the hell are u ppl gonna do blame the gov or the mpsj .....
I could clearly remember the above same argument being uttered during the public hearing in MPSJ and that person is sitting amongst the crowd above. When people get desparate, they let their guard down. Earlier those who are for the link painted a picture that the link is beneficial to the USJ residents as an alternative third access OUT of USJ. The flood at the two tunnels and Subang Hitech two days ago must have panicked these people like BRAVO who most probably have invested a bungalow lot here in Subang Heights that they now demand their ONLY access INTO USJ. Sorry for you folks, without the link, like what Orchi says "..... Subang Heights land or property developement...is freaking worthless...!!!" The only solution for a win win situation is to request LLM to approve a link directly into the KESAS Expressway now before the USJ residents hijack that funds away to build a link into KESAS for the SJ/USJ community at the Persiaran Tujuan at SS 19 and SS 18. This was highlighted by the real Rusman (not the cetak rompak one that appeared two weeks ago) where it makes better sense for the third link.

pcyeoh

29-10-2005, 12:58 AM

I was away for just only two days and so many things are happening. Just want to share with you another letter written by a person named Tommy Tan which was posted at www.hwabeng.org.my with Dato Lee Hwa Beng himself repling to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: tommy tan

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:53 PM
To: hwabeng1@streamyx.com
Subject: RE: USJ - SUBANG HEIGHT LINK/ USJ - PUCHONG LINK

Dear Datuk Lee,

First of all, please allowed me to say a big ' THANK YOU ' to you for replying my mail promtly. Your service is just simply fantastic.

Recently, we the resident of SJ are feeling a bit annoying on the current ' WAR ' going on between USJ and Subang Height. We are seeing their representatives all over the place, from Subang Parade to Petrol Stations to Schools, asking for signatures ! Each side have their version of story. The sentiment and emotion is running very high.

Datuk, we request you to put a stop on all these activities before it gets out of control. This issue has been blown out of portion as neither parties are looking into the facts. As a responsible ADUN, it is only good for you to requuest both sides to sit down and work out a solution. A solution that benefit all, not just SH and USJ but SJ too.

We believed for a project costing multi millions RM, a proper study should have been done and an independent consultant been appointed before an approval is being given by MPSJ. These facts should be revealed out.

Presently, both sides are playing ' GOD ' by saying ' based on experience ' or ' smokescreen '. Both sides should accept the fate as these are done by proffessional and not layman.

Malaysia is a peaceful country. There are law and order. We are not like our neightbouring countries whose citizens like to have demonstrations.

Please bear in mind, demonstrations will lead to riot and what will happen to our nice and peaceful country.

Let's us pray together that you would be able to unite both parties together and save our neighbourhood been torned into ' war zone '

May god bless you !

Regards

And this is what Dato Lee replied him

From: hwabeng1@streamyx [mailto:hwabeng1@streamyx.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:17 PM
To: 'tommy tan'
Subject: RE: USJ - SUBANG HEIGHT LINK/ USJ - PUCHONG LINK

Dear Tommy Tan,

Thanks for your kind words.

I think it is difficult for me to be a middle man. I tried and ended up both sides being angry with me.

Furthermore, all the community leaders in SJ / USJ are against the link bridge. As your and their wakil rakyat, I have to voice their objection on their behalf.

In fact, I have also accepted their explanation that this link bridge will create chaos in SJ / USJ.

Bye.

Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng
ADUN Subang Jaya

orchipalar

29-10-2005, 01:12 AM

orchipalar

29-10-2005, 01:44 AM

Err...the occurrence of flash floods in the larger ShahAlam areas...has been legendary...err...please don't take Orchi's words for it...ahem...just ask around from them stressed out folks living n working there since...n currently...:o

Ahem...like all things in the bureaucracy...it has taken years n years since...n yet...there has since been absolutely NO SIGNS of any possibility that...err...a likely remedy could EVER be prescribed to ease that age old problems over there...faced by the folks in around CSR/SubangHitech areas...heavily affected by the problem in particular...n of course other existing n equally or MORE SERIOUS problems...such as the freaking CONGESTIONS...NOISE...HAZARDOUS POLLUTION...High CRIME rates...n etc etc etc..:o

Err...so...INEVITABLY...the new kid(SubangHeights development) on that block...might have to wait for LOOOOOOOOG period of time...ahem...something lika 10~20 years or more...before anyone over there...could EVER see any positive changes happening... :(

Err...to ALL the Folks in USJ/SJ:)...do call Orchi a selfish freaking retard...IF ya wish to...BUT...does anyone here...want ANY of those freaking "MERDE" problems ...spewing over...by those freaking flash floods over there...to HERE in USJ/Subang Jaya...??? :eek:

Ahem...having asked that...that STRETCH along the existing KESAS Expressway...IS OUR ONLY STRONGEST LINE OF DEFENCE...!!!

Err...n in the words of Master Yoda...ignore it you must not...BUT...PROTECT IT YOU MUST...!!! :)

JoeJaffar

29-10-2005, 10:10 AM

it's a known fact that the batu tiga road and the area near the csr/puri aiyu condo is prone to flooding after heavy downpour. so, can't claim that they don't know about it. so, padan muka lah to those that bought their properties without checking out the surrounding area and infras first.

robertec

29-10-2005, 11:15 AM

I have seen an email this morning, which if true, is of serious significance and implications to this subject.

Once there is confirmation, it will be posted here and you can all see how people can do really silly things.

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orchipalar

29-10-2005, 04:29 PM

Err...Orchi had an inspiration of making own drama series last night...but quite vaguely...the drama unfolded in Orchi's dream...ahem...it would have gone down...lika the following...or something like that...:o

Drama Title: Get Rich Quick Property Investment...
Adaptation from A Best Selling Novel...Authored By: Orchiwhoelse
Original Scriptwriter: Orchiwhoelse
Starring: Didn'tknowbetters(Rookies of the year award winners)
Screenplay: Orchiwhoelse
Producer: Orchiwhoelse
Director: Orchiwhoelse
Soundtrack: Another One Bites The Dust...
Singer/songwriter: Orchiwhoelse

Episode 1

Developer: Hello...ya know hor...now we are selling the prime land property which is currently located at X location...it may not be worth much now...coz it has NOT got a good access road to it...ahem...BUT at very cheap rate wor...only @RM XX per sq.ft...BUT once the proposed flyover link is completed to the BIG township...ya know or NOT...your land value would surely be sky rocketted to err...RM XXX per sq.ft. wor...

Potential Buyer: Hello...are you serious ar?...got any proof ar?

Developer: Hello...got lar...here it is printed in the brochures what...ya cannot see meh...?

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes ar?...so how many sq.ft. per lot ar?

Developer: Hello...aiyo...it's in the brochures wat...each lot is 8000sq.ft. mah...

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes ar?...err...ya got a calculator or not?

Developer: Hello...got lar...already up in my sleeve leh...nah...ya do your own calculations n see lar...ahem...sure can make tonnes of money wan...

Potential Buyer: Hello...but but...err...that means I got to pay like...at least 500k wor...err...is it really worth that much ar?

Developer: Hello...sure lah...we are a reputable developer wor...no play play wan...all the approval we got already wat...what else is there for you to...err...worry about ar?

Potential Buyer: Hello...sure ar?...but but heard that...the existing access roads over there...are very inconvenient ones wor...n at times sure flooded wan also...so how ar?

Developer: Hello...aiya...that would SOON be in the past already lor...now hor...we are going to build the flyover link...across to the BIG n exclusive township lah...not many people knows it yet...but hor...everybody would know very soon...n the lots would be snapped up in...err...NO time already lah...ahem...so you better make up your minds...quickly oh...or don't say...I don't give you any good enough...err...tipsy to double up or more for your investment within a short period of time only lah...

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes ar?...so where do I sign ar?

Episode 2...To Be Continued...

MOYSC

29-10-2005, 05:43 PM

:eek:

call me at 016-2932808 from 12.00 mid night to 7.00 am. to clear your mid and learn. :confused:

Other hours not entertaining.

Know so little & talk so much? Are you referring to yourself? I do feel very sorry for your ignorance, but if you want to find out more information on this flyover issue, kindly post your questions in here, as we'll always welcome feedback(s) & opinion(s). I believe that phone calls are unneccesary.

Meanwhile, pls allow me to point out an error in your written English. "Other hours not entertaining" - is it the time which will not entertain or that you will not have the time to entertain? :confused:

MOYSC

29-10-2005, 06:19 PM

aisey watlah making a fuss just let it be done it will benefit many ppl i only c the same person making comments against this flyover .....if one day thw summit and the ss19 flyover is closed for any damage wat the hell are u ppl gonna do blame the gov or the mpsj .....u ppl r thinking of the road infront od ur house wat about the plus highway that effect the usj 3abc also is noisy with plane flying low to subang terminal also noisy wat next u want .....

What are the ODDS that both Persiaran Kewajipan at Summit & Persiaran Tujuan will be closed or damaged in tandem? Such an example is outright nonsensical! If such odds are anticipated to happen, are you suggesting that all highways & roads should have a spare h/way/road built just to accomodate unforeseen circumstances??? If this was the case, then perhaps the Govt. should seriously look into the Penang bridge, coz' it is the "ONE and ONLY bridge link" feeding in & out of Penang into mainland M'sia.

Meanwhile, USJ/Subang do not have to solely depend on the above-mentioned main roads, as there are still the KESAS, D'sara-Puchong Expressway & NKVE which road users can use them to practically go anywhere in M'sia!

On the noise issue, are you suggesting that the existing residents in USJ3ABCD should suffer more noise pollution, when you have acknowledged the fact that these residential homes are already situated next to highway(s) & currently suffering from noise due to low-flying airplanes into Subang Airport? Who is selfish? Let readers of this thread be the judge! :mad: :mad: :mad:

MOYSC

29-10-2005, 06:36 PM

21-07-2005, 03:58 PM
BRAVO
SETIAKawan Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: usj3a
Posts: 26

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JAMS IN SJ/USJ will never die, that's the answer here no money making project no point investing we all r stuck up in jams daily get use to it make more holes in the ozon layer and our future generation will suffer at the end.. STRESSSSSS!!!!

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I've picked up this post by BRAVO dated in July 05'. It stated clearly that "JAMS IN SJ/USJ will never die" and requested everyone to "GET USE TO IT". Oh! well, it that was the case, perhaps the SH people should also consider getting use to their two (2) existing access from Subang Heights into Batu 3, coz' with only 300 odd "soon-to-be built" residential homes, do they really need so many in/out access?

Besides, there is a proposal for another access for SH into KESAS, which can practically lead them everywhere in M'sia. What more do these people want? :confused:

orchipalar

29-10-2005, 06:40 PM

What are the ODDS that both Persiaran Kewajipan at Summit & Persiaran Tujuan will be closed or damaged in tandem? Such an example is outright nonsensical! If such odds are anticipated to happen, are you suggesting that all highways & roads should have a spare h/way/road built just to accomodate unforeseen circumstances??? If this was the case, then perhaps the Govt. should seriously look into the Penang bridge, coz' it is the "ONE and ONLY bridge link" feeding in & out of Penang into mainland M'sia.

Meanwhile, USJ/Subang do not have to solely depend on the above-mentioned main roads, as there are still the KESAS, D'sara-Puchong Expressway & NKVE which road users can use them to practically go anywhere in M'sia!

On the noise issue, are you suggesting that the existing residents in USJ3ABCD should suffer more noise pollution, when you have acknowledged the fact that these residential homes are already situated next to highway(s) & currently suffering from noise due to low-flying airplanes into Subang Airport? Who is selfish? Let readers of this thread be the judge! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Err...dear MOYSC:)...ya have responded with a strong n irrefutable arguments...well done n TQ:)

orchipalar

29-10-2005, 11:28 PM

Developer: Hello...aiya...that would SOON be in the past already lor...now hor...we are going to build the flyover link...across to the BIG n exclusive township lah...not many people knows it yet...but hor...everybody would know very soon...n the lots would be snapped up in...err...NO time already lah...ahem...so you better make up your minds...quickly oh...or don't say...I don't give you any good enough...err...tipsy to double up or more for your investment within a short period of time only lah...

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes ar?...so where do I sign ar?

Err...continue from Episode 1... (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=93704&postcount=688)

Developer: Hello...aiyo...why ar?...you a joker or what?...err...of course sign on your own cheque lar...

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes ar?...of course lar...but wait a minute hor...ahem...gotta make a phone call first...err...to check with my financial adviser first can or not ar...?

Developer: Hello...wah...ya somemore got a financial adviser to consult ar?...err...like that you are a very BIG bozz wan lar...ahem...can also easily afford to buy 2 lots is it?

Potential Buyer: Hello...no lar...err...phai sey to say lar...but gotta ask for wifey's punya advice first wat...

Developer: Hello...ya kar?...so how now?...ya can afford to invest in 1 or 2 lots ar?...err...make sure ya know...ya won't wanna miss this chance of a life time hor...to make more money wat...err...very easy wan...

Potential Buyer: Hello...wait ar?...(got her on the line already)...err...Hello...darling ar?...err...eh I got one sure good property jalan to make us lots of more money...in a very short time wan...

Err...what?...you are busy playing what?...mahjong ar?...what?...you are short of 1 more mahjong kaki ar?...ok ok...you tell mom(in law)...to wait for me ar?...ahem...i can hurry back soon...after I settle this BIG deal first wat...can make lotsa money wan...ok darling...you wait for me ar...(hang up)...err...Hello...sorry ar...so now I can write you a post dated cheque for 1 week can ar?...err...I think I can invest for 2 lots...ok?

Developer: Hello...2 lots ar?...you sure ar?

Potential Buyer: Hello...yes lar...no problem wan...later I go back...to purposely loose a few rounds of mahjong games to my freaking rich mother-inlaw...n then try to convince her to take up 1 lot from me lah...n I can bullshiit her...n err...markup some more n make some money from her first wat...hehe...she is quite stupid one actually...ahem...I am clever or NOT...good hor?

Developer: Hello...wah you so lucky one ar...got a freaking rich mother-inlaw to support you wan ar?...Ok lah...as you wish...err...can you write out the cheque for about 1 million ringgit now already hor...err...posted dated for 1 week only hor...

Potential Buyer: Hello...ok lar...sap sap sui wat...but btw hor...ya sure about this what ar?...the proposed link to the BIG township...is sure to be built one hor...

Developer: Hello...sure wan lar...who you think you are talking to...ahem...err...people don't call me...DVT(datuk very tamak) for nothing wan leh...

Episode 3...To Be Continued...

BRAVO

31-10-2005, 11:50 AM

HAPPY DEEPAVALI & SELAMAT HARI RAYA....LETS balik kpg
and see the jams in PLUS highway...let USJ ppl enjoy the free jam 4 a week...
i think we have to move the school in USJ 3 and 12..ss19...i suggest a traffic camera in ss19 traffis light can make money wohh..catching ppl beating the red light.... ...i see the jam is worts when school time with most of the stupid parents will jam up to send or pick up their children....just get a school bus to send them solve a lot of unnessary jam....so that others can move easly..else shift the school to subang heights also better the they will know the need to have the flyover ...hahaha....

bye............

Teeque

31-10-2005, 06:01 PM

...i think we have to move the school in USJ 3 and 12..ss19...i suggest a traffic camera in ss19 traffis light can make money wohh..catching ppl beating the red light.... ...i see the jam is worts when school time with most of the stupid parents will jam up to send or pick up their children....just get a school bus to send them solve a lot of unnessary jam....so that others can move easly..else shift the school to subang heights also better the they will know the need to have the flyover ...hahaha....

bye............

Hey Bravo, what a genius idea!

While we are it, lets also move the township, to somewhere remote, maybe near a white sandy beach...and call it Pantai USJ or something. Bravo, your house can stay, no problem. You can hv all the roads to yourself and if you want the flyover, go ahead since you will be the only one using it.

This vacated township with only your house there would be called Taman Bravo Jaya. And then you can link the flyover to SH or anywhere you want. Just dont link to the new USJ township. We do not deserve such 'genius' neighbors, really.

Happy hols...

bobkee

02-11-2005, 09:56 AM

Dudes,

Let's cool it with the ad hominem attacks, k :)

Bravo, no matter what his motivations are, has a right to an opinion just like the rest of us have. Let's stick to dealing with the issue.

Have a great holiday :)

Bob K

PS : Oh yeah .. I just got back to USJ after a weekend away .. can you imagine .. even during the hols there's still traffic congestion LOL

rusman

07-11-2005, 12:07 PM

else shift the school to subang heights also better the they will know the need to have the flyover ...hahaha....

If I buy a property in Subang Heights, then I will transfer my kids to go to school in Batu Tiga, where it is nearer to my Subang Heights home. Unless of course I am buying for speculative short term gain only...
:rolleyes:

There is a ruling in public schools that you can only go to school where it is nearest to your house; hence the need for us to show our utility bills to the school when we transfer our kids.

FYI, the school in USJ12 will have 2 sessions next year. The jam will get worse, even without the flyover. Many new neighbors in USJ3ABCD are transferring their kids to go to USJ12 and USJ4 schools next year. We are being practical about this. People intending to live in Batu Tiga should do the same; and not expect the local council to heed their requests at the expense of the majority of USJ residents.

rusman

07-11-2005, 02:16 PM

Area around Subang Heights (Batu Tiga) is currently being managed by MPSJ. According to the council delineation, it should be under MBSA. Does anyone know when MPSJ will hand over the area to MBSA?
:D

jayan

07-11-2005, 06:47 PM

As far as I know, the whole area was handed over to the then MPSA sometime in 1995 or 1996. Not sure if the SH area was also included though, need to confirm with MPSJ tomorrow.

regards
Jayan

orchipalar

09-11-2005, 12:05 PM

Thank you. Your vote have been recorded
Poll Result
Would you agree for a link road from USJ 12 to Batu 3 via USJ 3A/B/C and Subang Hitech?
Yes 14% 14% (7708)
No 86% 86% (47514)
Total votes: 55222

http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/vote_result/38

http://www.hwabeng.org.my/

jasonbhlee

09-11-2005, 05:14 PM

Will MPSJ listen to the 86% or the 14%? As long as the battle is cleanly fought, I think MPSJ should listen to the majority.......

robertec

15-11-2005, 04:35 PM

I posted on 29/10/2005 that I had seen a disturbing email which was of serious significance and implication to this subject.

Please find it below.

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-----Original Message-----
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:55:17 +0800
From: Diana Ooi
Subject: Re: FW: Reply to post 'Proposed Batu Tiga Flyover linking Persiaran Tujuan at USJ3ABCD'

Dear folks,

I dont know if you are already aware of this (cos I dont closely follow all the postings) but I feel compelled to pass this information to those who are interested to read on.

I am a USJ resident. I happen to be at the SS15 Petrol Station today to fill up the petrol car. The pump attendant (a foreigner) was very polite.
After accepting my credit card he asked me to sign on a sheet. He did not explain what it was for. So, naturally I asked him what it was for. I unfolded the 1st page and read that it was to "Sokong USJ3 Bridge -- it is near completion etc.etc."

I politely refused and explained that I personally was against the construction. I then enquired why he was doing this "extra" job and not being paid.
The pump attendant then told me that MPSJ is paying him 20 sen for each signature !!!

I double checked and confirm that it was not the petrol station boss paying him but MPSJ instead.

Imagine the irony of it - our money is paying the salaries of these MPSJ office bearers and they are in turn using OUR money to pay for these "bribes". The audacity of it. Such people have no conscience -- Then I asked myself - Why would MPSJ be so "concerned" abt building this bridge?

I honestly doubt its their concern for us folks paying their salaries each month.
They must have been bought already !!!

Kindly pass this information on so that this bridge DOES NOT GET BUILT!

many thanks
Diana Ooi
Subang Jaya

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When I first read this, my immediate reaction was, MPSJ would not be doing such a silly thing, the whole world would know, someone must be using the good name of MPSJ.

True enough someone did...
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orchipalar

15-11-2005, 04:58 PM

When I first read this, my immediate reaction was, MPSJ would not be doing such a silly thing, the whole world would know, someone must be using the good name of MPSJ.

True enough someone did...

Err...Orchi could bear witness to seeing n hearing the SS15 kiok's attendants going about asking folks to sign on the 'their' petition forms(filled with signatures from residents n non-residents of USJ as well mostly from KL)...which Orchi had collected as parts of the proof...

Err...as a responsible resident of USJ...Orchi has also cautioned those attendants as NOT to further provide or spread...twisted n biased hearsay...pertaining to the FlyOver Bridge issue...ahem...likely to have been initiated by the 'unscrupulous' folks or parties...perhaps?...which may have 'certain' interest to gain...arising from the proposed bridge project...err...at the freaking expense of the safety n peace of our beloved USJ/SJ neighbourhood...:rolleyes:

Ahem...ALL Hails To The United Residents Efforts to Curb...Any Traffic Links which would foresake the safety n peace of our USJ/SJ community...!!! :)

Teeque

16-11-2005, 06:20 AM

Robertec,

The email does hv serious implications to all parties. But can we safely assume that the perpetrators does not lead to MPSJ? Any confirmation or official word frm the local council?

Orchi,

Can you reproduce copies of the said proof that you hv collected frm the petrol kiosk's attendants here?

Teeque

16-11-2005, 06:26 AM

I received this email yesterday as well....

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There is a news report in today's (15/11) Nanyang Press about the USJ-Subang Heights flyover.

According to the report, Dato Lee Hwa Beng told reporters during the
3rd Subang Jaya Fun Walk cheque presentation ceremony that pending
decision from the State Government, works on the flyover linking USJ
and Subang Heights have to be put on hold.

Dato Lee said in view of the intense objections from the residents
and also involvement of some legal issues, MPSJ has no alternative
but to refer the matter to the State Government for decision. It is
because of this that the project cannot be continued.

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Is this true folks?

robertec

16-11-2005, 10:45 AM

The perpetrators of this contemptible act indicated to foreigners that they were from MPSJ, when in fact they were doing this for their own personal gain.

I was wondering if it is a criminal act to do such things.

It never fails to amaze me what lengths people will go to get what they want.

There should never be glory for people who cheat and lie.

MPSJ will be made aware of this through the councilors.
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jasonbhlee

16-11-2005, 02:24 PM

That email should be fowarded to relevant departments in MPSJ as well as to the YDP. Their name has been tarnished. They are are not the ones scheming with the pump attendants, then they should do their own investigation. Were they actually paid and by whom? 20sens per signature is very good money. he just have to grab the telephone directory and fill out thousand of names.....Wah......cepat kaya lorr....

xt900

18-11-2005, 03:37 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would actually use this link road IF it is already built?

pcyeoh

18-11-2005, 04:41 PM

I will definitely use this link if it brings me into the Kesas Highway. As it is, the link will lead me to the two tunnels at a very congested exit where I will be fighting for space with the lorries and Mat motors. And when it rains heavily, my car should be able to cruise over the flooded waters. And after exitting, I am still far away from the Federal Highway.

Teeque

19-11-2005, 06:42 AM

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would actually use this link road IF it is already built?

It depends on which side u are asking. If frm Subang side, it is minimal.
If frm Shah Alam side, I cannot imagine...thousands maybe?

pcyeoh

28-11-2005, 08:54 AM

We should take every opportunity to publicise the traffic jam problem we are facing everyday. So when I was asked to comment on the opening of the NPE stretch from Subang Utama to Tujuan, I took the opportunity to say something about the proposed Batu 3 Link and the TESCO USJ – Puchong Link. So I actually prepared what I wanted to say and provided it to The Star reporter.

This is what I wanted to say.
First of all on behalf of the residents here in Subang Jaya and USJ, I would like to thank NPE for completing the road works here always on time. They are also very responsive to all the feedbacks of the residents in fine tuning their design for a win win situation.

Hopefully with this good infrastructure done by the NPE in easing the horrendous traffic jams in this community, it would NOT entice other housing developers to propose in coming roads such as the proposed TESCO USJ – Puchong Link and the controversial Batu 3 – USJ link from Shah Alam which most of the residents here fear will just negate all the traffic mitigation works that have been done by our authorities and the private highway concessionaires such as NPE. We residents here are always very supportive of all highways works that bring benefits to us in easing the traffic congestion here than those that give us nightmares.

The test whether or not this stretch will ease the traffic congestion by this stretch of the NPE highway will be when the school reopens. Nevertheless, I am confident that it will.

This is what was reported.
USJ Residents Association member P.C. Yeoh said he was thankful for the works done by NPE thus far in alleviating the traffic problem in the area.

“We are supportive of all highway works that benefit us in easing traffic congestion than those that give us nightmares,'' he said.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/11/28/central/12707134&sec=central

jasonbhlee

01-12-2005, 09:56 AM

I have attached an advert I saw in The Star 2 days ago.

A misleading advert! Try calling and find out where this place is....and why they call it Subang Jaya.

patrick

01-12-2005, 12:50 PM

I have attached an advert I saw in The Star 2 days ago.

A misleading advert! Try calling and find out where this place is....and why they call it Subang Jaya.

No need to call. This is the Subang Heights tel no. This is where the problem of the USJ3 link road blossom.

orchipalar

01-12-2005, 06:43 PM

I have attached an advert I saw in The Star 2 days ago.

A misleading advert! Try calling and find out where this place is....and why they call it Subang Jaya.Err...dear Jason:)...this is how Orchi looks at it...any reasonable bungalow land lots in Subang Jaya n USJ...is DEFINITELY WORTHLY OF MORE than RM100 per square foot...

The one that you see over there?...It used to be a worthless piece of agricultural land converted to industrial lots...n reconverted to residential bungalow land lots...over there.
The bungalow land lots are worthly of being next n closest to...
the stinking n shiity sewerage treatment ponds...
n the noisy n pollution spewing factories...
n probably the largest n strongest electromagnetic cellular satellite communication transmitter station...
n the ONLY ONE madly congested access road filled with heavy commercial trucks n buses traffic...
n the worst flooded access road during any heavy downpours...
n the countless numbers of squatters n crime infested neighbourhood...

Only a few owner-occupied lots...were bought...so as they could built their dream homes there...

BUT the majority of the other investors(maybe proxies? or gomen servants perhaps?)...could be land speculators...probably buying them from as low as rm50 or lower per square foot...

They are praying harder that it would go up MORE...with a so called 'proposed' flyover link to "UEP-Subang Jaya(USJ)"...

Ahem...Orchi would NOT be surprised...should the remaining value of bungalow land lots there...be falling further...n further...n further...

Err...this is because...Orchi is VERY confident...that the MAJORITY of Folks in USJ...DO NOT want the 'proposed' flyover link to be built AT ALL...!!!:rolleyes:

Disclaimer: Err...Orchi is NOT a property investment expert...neither is Orchi an property investor...therefore...please DO NOT take Orchi's words for any of the above own opionions seriously...otherthan the last paragraph printed in bold...:)

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 10:17 AM

Err...this a matter of urgency...

For those that knows the exact name of the subsidiary of Sime UEP, who is said to be having plans to develop their remaining piece of land across KESAS...before the Subang Heights development...PLEASE PROVIDE IT ASAP...!!!

Orchi tried to backtrack n do a search for it...but in vain...TQ:)

VeeJay

02-12-2005, 10:27 AM

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 10:29 AM

Orchi...not sure if this info would help?!
http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/developer.asp?devid=426
Hey Veejay:)...thanks...but it should be a NEW subsidiary of Sime UEP...err...Teratai something...or something Teratai...:confused:

PeterHng

02-12-2005, 10:30 AM

This Teratai something is the owner of the lands in USJ3ABCD as well...

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 10:35 AM

This Teratai something is the owner of the lands in USJ3ABCD as well...Err...thanks PeterHng:)...SO please tell Orchi...what's printed on their S&P....got this name or not...please it is very urgently required for the existing followup ACTIONs??? :)

TERATAI what ar?...:confused:

PeterHng

02-12-2005, 10:38 AM

Orchi, the full name is LENGKAP TERATAI SDN BHD (Company no: 326779-A) as per our S&P. Hope it helps...

VeeJay

02-12-2005, 10:41 AM

Okay..the closest link I found is thatits called Lengkap Teratai Sdn Bhd.
But cant find any conatct nor address at this time...

may want to check this out also...again not sure if its helpful...or just a waste of time?!

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDMS/hsubweb.nsf/0/48256aaf0027302c48256ad50010dcda/$FILE/_6adkmqpagehsiqgr8c5kn4rb1dp9n8obkclmmarjk4p6k89rj a9incqb5esg2gcad88kg_.pdf

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=30117

:confused:

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 10:52 AM

LENGKAP TERATAI SDN BHD (Company no: 326779-A) as per our S&P

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=99774&postcount=720

Err...thanks PeterHng:)...MAY millions of flesh n blood hungry FLEAS would be ready to swarm up to EACH n EVERY armpits those freaking culprits...who has neither seen nor considered NOTHING about the feelings n welfare of the thousands of families in USJ/SJ...:rolleyes:

Ahem...not enough that they have been making money from selling their property development to US...now they might even be waking up from their dreams n thinking to make MORE...at the expense of ALL the concerned residents of USJ/SJ...:rolleyes:

BRAVO

02-12-2005, 02:55 PM

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 03:21 PM

hi all im back from long holidays and its look damn good driving in usj on school holidays and there were some good and bad feedback from my last post...hahaha....seem all the jams has clear from sj/usj ...is all the school that makes the road like hell hey u all know the NPE project that all the sj ppl was against it look like a good idea the flow is better for ppl staying in usj ....pity the sj ppl have to scarify for the usj resident that dont bother of others but nevermind all will be smooth after the link is build ....ok ....busy will chat another time with my latest gossip and brilliant ideas sayonara.........Err...Bravo:)...the NPE extension works that ya see now...has drag a lot of attentions n efforts putforth from all quarters...in coming to the present compromise...as opposed to their earlier freaking proposal n plans intended for it...you on otherhand were NOT involved in any way...right?

n that whole thing involves traffic alineation from the existing mess created from the earlier town n country planning forkups in Subang Jaya...so please get the matters right...before you wanna add it to your say here...

Err...the one that you so much like to see on the freaking proposed 'flyover' matter from that end of Shah Alam...is totally out of the question...n it would NOT meet with any approval or acceptance to begin with...

Ahem...so if anyone over there feels that they got to the short ends of the stick...so to speak...that's their freaking problem...n they should NOT instead expect anything from this side of the boundaries...they should then take up their own fights with the freaking developer there...

IF ya want another access otherthan the ONLY freaking one there is now via Subang Hitech...so be it...ya can have one as suggested for an option to access in n out of KESAS Expressway only...at your own compromise...period.

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 03:40 PM

hi all im back from long holidays and its look damn good driving in usj on school holidays and there were some good and bad feedback from my last post...hahaha....seem all the jams has clear from sj/usj ...is all the school that makes the road like hell Err...Mr. PCYap...Orchi could recognize you from the crowd on the so called freaking hearing in MPSJ...you shouted your craps to the YB Dato Lee with your silly notion about cracks to the Summit Bridge...etc etc.

In fact Orchi believes ya could be staying in USJ9(instead of 3ABCD) n might have also been one of them who got suckered into buying n speculating with a worthless piece of bungalow lot...:mad:

Should you wanna offer your sincere n LOGICAL opinions in here...Orchi might wanna listen to what you may wanna say that perhaps would make some sense...otherwise how would you expect Orchi or anyone else to listen to your craps...

Oh BTW...Orchi suspect that you may have a lot to do with the poison pen letter to the YB Dato Lee...to discredit his current stance on the matter...which is clearly seen as the RIGHT one for him...n for the general residents of USJ/SJ...ahem...but of course you may wanna deny that too...right?

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 04:37 PM

IP: 129.253.1.57
129.253.220.216

Err...to the rest of the Folks here...Orchi apologizes for this slight digress...but Orchi needs to highlight this for your attentions...n then you may come to your own conclusions...BUT it is still very puzzling even for Orchi...:confused:

Now...that IP address belongs to Western Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx of the US...why would anyone from there...who is constantly posting from that IP...wanna be so keen about issues that's happening here...???:confused:

Ahem...or perhaps...does it mean that this company may have some relations with the property development on the other side of KESAS...from USJ3ABCD...???

OR...perhaps...someone in that company may have strong interest in that property development...but then again...why would 'he' be stating his location being in USJ 3A...??? (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/member.php?u=5976)

Err...Orchi needs some help from someone whom might be able to put 2 n 2 together for Orchi...n the rest here...TQ:)

VeeJay

02-12-2005, 05:00 PM

orchipalar

02-12-2005, 05:12 PM

It could be as well, he is working at Western Digital Malaysia but the server gateway is in US? I think its best not to speculate...since he is here, he would be the best person to address the concern.Yes Veejay:)...he should then come clean...to say that he has vested interests there n not here at USJ3A...as a resident...n then folks would better decide whether or NOT...to take him seriously...in here:)

That's the bottom line!...coz stone cold said so...!!!(err...borrowed from Orchi's sifu ya know):)

jasonbhlee

02-12-2005, 05:51 PM

Ayo....oorchi...u mean Bravo is the guy who said he has to wake up at 4am if the flyover is not built......hahaha...4am!

cpleong

06-12-2005, 08:20 PM

Folks,
Lengkap Teratai is actually SIME UEP.

They are located on 9th floor of HSBC building in Taipan.

Teeque

07-12-2005, 03:25 AM

This article was published on Mon in the the Star - Property section. Although the writer inserted a disclaimer in the article not being abt property speculation, one cannot help but deduced that it's written in such a way that it is purely all abt property speculation. Read between the lines and 'speculate' if it is or not...

http://www.star-space.com/stories/story.asp?artfolder=proptalk&file=archives/proptalk/2005/12/bl051205

Property Talk
Monday, December 05, 2005
BLand carves a niche in bungalow lots

By S.C. Cheah
TO buy or not to buy bungalow land? That’s the big question.

Well, it depends largely on the location and whether you are buying to speculate or to build your dream home. I have seen many people getting ''burnt'' buying cheap bungalow land in remote places and ending up losing money.

During the ''bungalow land craze'' about 10 years ago, many people were enticed by developers to invest in bungalow land projects that failed to take off. Some were in very steep terrain in virgin forests. Buyers too were partly to blame because they failed to build their houses and the whole place was neglected.

However, there are also those who have made a small fortune parking their money in areas that turned out to be a big hit only a few years down the road.

There is a senior executive who bought a 25,000 sq ft land at the Country Heights in Kajang for a mere RM6.50 per sq ft (psf) years ago. She resold it for RM50 psf. She then bought a piece of land in the Tropicana Golf & Country Resort and sold it for a tidy sum.

She did not buy to speculate but wanted to build a bungalow in the peaceful countryside of Country Heights, as she and her husband had not started a family then. When the children came along, she bought the land at Tropicana as it had many amenities and a famous address.

The capital appreciation at Country Heights was too good to ignore, and now she has invested in Subang Heights where she bought a 5,100 sq ft lot for RM65 psf in 2002.

Perhaps this explains why wealthy folks had to queue up to buy bungalow lots pegged at between RM306 and RM316 psf at Damansara Heights’ Seri Beringin recently. Some 364 people of 1,573 registrants were short-listed for the balloting exercise for the lots and semi-detached houses.

The irony is that many wealthy people, driven by prospects of high capital appreciation, are building their bungalows in ''rich urban slums''. Clever developers have given a ''cosmetic touch'' to these locations by creating a nice gated community in an area that is congested, old and unappealing visually.

Meanwhile, Berjaya Land Bhd has carved a niche in bungalow land developments. It is also one of the few developers that provide a park for such projects.

Its subsidiaries are selling bungalow lots in Cemerlang Heights in Ulu Klang, Subang Heights in Subang Jaya, Seputeh Heights, and The Peak @ Taman TAR in Ampang.

Subang Heights: This 95.89-acre freehold gated community with access card is located at the Subang Hi-Tech Park. It was launched in 2002 and completed in 2004.

All the 115 bungalow lots at the East Parcel and 97% of the 231 lots at the West Parcel have been sold. The flat East parcel was priced from RM55 to RM80 psf (lot size of 5,100 to 11,584 sq ft) while the undulating West parcel is priced from RM79 to RM130 psf (5,100 to 14,667 sq ft).

Both parcels have their own guardhouse and perimeter walls. It is off Persiaran Jubli Perak (near the Batu Tiga toll plaza of the Federal Highway). Its obscure location has not put off people from investing here as some buyers are confident that Subang Heights would fetch much higher prices once a proposed road linking it to USJ’s Phase 3A area is built.

Seputeh Heights: This 42-acre freehold gated and guarded community with 108 bungalow lots is in Taman Seputeh, Kuala Lumpur. This is a ''hot'' area where property values have shot up in recent years.

The main draw is that it is very near the city centre and still close to Petaling Jaya. It is still quite green. The downside is that Taman Seputeh is getting congested as several new projects have or are coming up in the area. The closure of a road here to the nearby Mid Valley Megamall has preserved the area’s privacy.

Many buyers have moved in and more bungalow houses are under construction. The developer has also taken the initiative to build some houses. Newly completed are another two bungalow houses: the Midori Mansion, a Japanese-inspired theme home, and the Penta Tres, a tropical resort-style bungalow. The Midori Mansion with 7,800 sq ft built-up area and 10,800 sq ft land is priced at RM8.5mil! Only 23 to 26 lots are available at RM250 psf.

The Peak @ Taman TAR: The gated community on 66.7-acre leasehold land was formerly called Bukit TAR when launched around 1996. It is located at the highest point within Taman Tun Abdul Razak. It has lush greenery and enjoys a scenic view of the KL skyline. The 88 bungalow lots were opened for sale in October after a thorough re-planning. Lot size ranges from 8,624 to 71,944 sq ft and are priced from RM1.7mil to RM12.7mil. Price per sq ft is from RM150 to RM268 psf.

Cemerlang Heights: Only nine lots out of the 88 lots (priced from RM41 to RM63 psf) are left. The lots were handed over in 2002. Some buyers have moved in while others have started building their homes. The developer has just completed a 2½-storey bungalow with a 4,696 sq ft built-up priced at RM2mil.

Pls do us Subang folks a favor by dismissing all this nonsense talk and speculation, and click on the link below to dispel all those lies written. TQ.

rusman

09-12-2005, 11:15 AM

:mad:

Residents directly affected by the proposed flyover have been going to MPSJ to make complaints / bantahan about the flyover yet (at least 1) was told that it is not necessary since it was still at 'cadangan' stage.

Another was told it was put on hold.

I thought the first 3 Friday mornings are open for the public to make known their grievances to MPSJ. Why are they not taking the residents' 'grievances' seriously. They are not from Residents' Associations or interest groups, just individuals trying to make their home a better place for their family and children to live in.

What nonsense!

rusman

15-12-2005, 01:22 PM

Just spoke to some realtors. Apparently, there is a buy back clause in the SH S&P. Some buyers are cashing in before the dateline expires.

orchipalar

18-12-2005, 06:52 AM

...cashing in before the dateline expires.Err...dear En. Rusman:) n Mr. Jayan:)...please allow Orchi to ask you with this... (http://cocknbull-stories.blogspot.com/) n how about letting everybody here knows...when the majority of the residents of USJ3ABCD...n the rest of USJ/Subang Jaya...might be cashing in(NO TO FLYOVER)...on or before the datelines?...TQ:)

rusman

19-12-2005, 09:43 AM

Air di retention pond tenang, jangan di sangka tidak ada buaya....

orchipalar

19-12-2005, 09:59 AM

Err...jika ada...lambat lanun bujang senang harus timbul ke paras permukaan air untuk bernafas...ketika itu berhati hati lah...agar jangan si sangka tiada jerat yang di pasang oleh pemburu nya...

rusman

19-12-2005, 10:53 AM

Err...jika ada...lambat lanun bujang senang harus timbul ke paras permukaan air untuk bernafas...ketika itu berhati hati lah...agar jangan si sangka tiada jerat yang di pasang oleh pemburu nya...

Very well put. Itu sebabnya sekarang kena tarik nafas panjang-panjang apabila timbul...nak elak jerat pemburu. Jerat ada di merata-rata. Susah nak cari makan.

Pihak berkuasa kini sedar bahawa kulit buaya tidak wajar di jual berleluasa. Tetapi ada juga yang masih nak mengaut keuntungan sebelum meninggalkan jawatan mereka.

orchipalar

19-12-2005, 07:56 PM

billy

21-12-2005, 12:59 PM

In Fact, in USJ, we should encourage more links to disperse the traffics away and into USJ.

We should have a deligent study on how many residents are heading to Puchong, Bukit Jalil, Old Klang Road, Belakong, The Mines and Serdang using exit of The Summit USJ. Those folks can use the proposed link and ease the bottle neck at The Summit USJ.

We should limit the development at USJ first before the traffic nightmare is solved. Why MPSJ still allow all sorts of commercial developments at USJ when the residents still facing the traffic problem after all this while. Is our ADUN have anything to say? Is it a diversion plan for the higher office so that the residents will not object to the unplanned commercial developments? Just look at the Taipan areas, you will know what I am talking.

orchipalar

21-12-2005, 01:27 PM

Err...jangan pandang ringan kekuatan dan kepintaran musuh dan pemburu nya...

Penghulu penduduk ditebing tasik dan pemimpin kalangan pencinta alam dan haiwan liar di sekitar kawasan masing2...harus berganding bahu...bersiap sedia dan bekerja sama di antara satu sama lain...untuk melaksanakan kegiatan dan tindakan selanjutnya yang secukup cukupnya...supaya dapat menentang dan membanteras rancangan2 tersembunyi yang sering kali dijalankan oleh pihak2 musuh dan pemburu yang tertentu...Err...Wahai!...Sang Bujang Senang dan Pemimpin tersebut yang lain...sudah 3 hari terlepas...bagaimana dengan harapan kami supaya...dapat menerima sebarang berita...atau jawapan atas tindakan2 yang selanjutnya yang harus dilaksanakan dengan segera...Di SINI... (http://cocknbull-stories.blogspot.com/) dan di forum ini...ataupun juga di peti emails masing2...?? :confused:

bobkee

21-12-2005, 07:08 PM

Bapa buaya terlena, anak buaya menjadi mangsa .. unless ...

billy

23-12-2005, 03:09 PM

If anybody ready wanted to solve the traffic problem is USJ area, please look into the unplanned development in this area.

The residents had been complaining the congestion since 1994, why are those hold higher office still allowed the development to got thru'?

Look at USJ 9 & 10, what will be happened when all those new shops are open for business? What will happen when Maidin Superstore is opened for business come next year? Do you still think folks in USJ 1 still can get in and out easily?

I think everyone stay in this area also see it coming but can't do anything about it because doesn't have "money power" to change the decision or is too late because the plan already in the "blue print". At the end of the day, you know who got the "grease". I am pretty sure some involved in the protest know it coming and just play along with it. Seniwara????

Be blunt, anyone know where is the next commercial development going to take place in USJ? A year or two from now? Look like we are just "react" to the situation everytime. Someone know it but have their own agenda all together. Prove me wrong?

MOYSC

30-12-2005, 03:16 PM

pcyeoh

30-12-2005, 03:47 PM

For the first time, the SMK USJ 12 school is now operating in two sessions which means the super peak season is between 12.30 pm and 2.00pm when one session ends while the second one is about to begin. I was there this morning and found out that the Form 1 and the Form 2 are now in the afternoon. I was told that the enrolment of the school has gone up substantially. The Form 1 alone had 475 students and you should see the number of cars congesting there. I can't imagine when the Batu 3 link is opened. I pray it will not be built.

billy

30-12-2005, 05:35 PM

Very well-said Billy but yet, everyone like me & you are just verbally complaining and nothing is done to stop those developments. Why not you champion this cause and put all future developments to a stop???

Whether our actions are REACTIVE or PRO-ACTIVE, we should not support another road/highway which does not bring IMPROVEMENTS to our existing traffic woes, but instead, has high potential to feed in more traffic (including more heavy vehicles' traffic) into USJ/Subang roads!

We certainly do not want to endure MORE road ACCIDENTS & road DEATHS!!! :mad:

Can we do anything? Just look around Subang and USJ, we and this forum had been complaining for dog years about the wastage of the MPSJ, are we effective? Just look at the color spot light they put up few months ago between SJMC and the roundabout. If they really take our "voice" for once, they should scale down those money wasting projects years after years.

We can't blame them of spending money that way b'cos the money they spent are for those ppl in the higher office that put them there. They will lost their good paying job if they try to be funny with those ppl in the higher office.

The only thing to solve this wastage is to have local council election, that will be the day I will stop complain and assist the local council as a member of the interest group in the local community.

As for you, MOYSC, the political boses are too strong now. They will seniwaraly put up a shows for a shortwhile, then the next issue come along, the same seniwara repeated. Look at how many issues in Subang and USJ were swept under the carpet since 1992? That was the year I work and move-in to Subang/USJ. My friend, almost 14 years....... Do remind you, I did involved in most of the activities in this area . In Rukun Tetangga, early day discussion group when this forum was formed, whatever the run, festival celebrations and so on....

As to stop them to do whatever they are doing now....we are in the loosing end most of the time.

Teeque

04-01-2006, 02:58 AM

....As to stop them to do whatever they are doing now....we are in the loosing end most of the time....

Firstly, in any city or municipality where the local councils are involved, there are always issues that directly or indirectly affects residents / dwellers. The 'War' is always ongoing and never ends. And where local councils are involved, it is always an uphill battle. Yes, some battles are won, some are lost, without doubt. But before you even take it up with 'them', YOU are already declaring a loosing battle. That's a pessimistic view since you hv been involved in this community before.

Lemme just say this. There is a saying - Lose a battle, win a war.
And when the war is being won, that battle can be re-won. And I am going for war....

pcyeoh

05-01-2006, 01:43 AM

Announcement by the Secretary of the USJ Residents' Association

Dear All

It is CONFIRMED -- I have received (by fax) the notification re the forthcoming PUBLIC HEARING.

Here are the details (start passing the word around please to get concerned USJ folks to attend)

Date: Thursday, January 12, 2006
Time: 10.30 am
Venue: Dewan Theaterette, Bangunan MPSJ

The meeting will be chaired by YDP YBhg Dato Mohd Arif bin Ab Rahman.

Also invited:
- Datuk Lee Hwa Beng
- En Muhammad Azli bin Miswan - Pen Pengarah (Khidmat MAsyarakat), MPSJ
- En Azfarizal bin Abdul Rashid - Pen Pengarah (Perhubungan Awam), MPSJ
- MD Lengkap Teratai S/Bhd (Sime Darby)
- JKP Zone 2 chairman Gilbert Yeoh

No agenda given yet -- I shall write to them now to seek agenda/programme.

For info, the perkara was listed as MESYUARAT PENDENGARAN BANTAHAN BAGI PERMOHONAN KEBENARAN MERANCANG BAGI CADANGAN MEMBINA JAMBATAN MELINTASI LEBUHRAYA KESAS BERDEKATAN PERSIMPANGAN EBOR PADA KM 36 BAGI MENYAMBUNGKAN PERSIARAN SETIA DAN PEMBANGUNAN BAGI USJ HEIGHTS DI ATAS LOT 1017, 1018, 1063, 1098 DAN 1134, LADANG SEAFIELD, MUKIM DAMANSARA, DAERAH PETALING, SELANGOR DARUL EHSAN"

Interestingly, the other listed invitees in my fax include:
* 2 individuals surname Tan from the same address in Tanjung Malim
* 2 individuals staying in USJ 13/3G
* 2 individuals staying in USJ 3C/4 and their next door neighbours (2 individuals)
* 1 individual with address in Kota Bharu
* 1 individual with address in Taman Cheras Utama
* 1 individual staying in USJ 3C/8

PLEASE INFORM YOUR FRIENDS/FAMILY/NEIGHBOURS RE ABOVE. SEE U ALL THEN.

orchipalar

11-01-2006, 07:48 PM

Public Hearing on the Batu 3 flyover -- Our last chance to SAY NO !!!

Just a reminder on the Public Hearing -- if you are a concerned USJ and Subang Jaya resident, this is our LAST CHANCE to SAY NO to the proposed flyover that will link Subang Heights/USJ Heights/Batu 3 into USJ -- and bring an influx of traffic (light and heavy) into our Ultra Super Jammed USJ.

Come and lend your support -- your physical presence will send the message that the proposed flyover is A TRAFFIC MESS IN THE MAKING.

Date: Thursday, January 12, 2006
Time: 10.30am
Venue: Mini Theatrette, MPSJ Building (USJ 5)

Key points to note:
* More traffic = More congestion -- Worsen the Traffic Jams we are already enduring
* Safety of schoolchildren at USJ 12 schools at risk
(WEF 2006, the USJ 12 schools are having double sessions!)
* USJRA has proposed a Viable Alternative for residents of Subang Heights/USJ Heights i.e. a Direct Access right into Kesas Highway and smooth access to Subang Jaya/Sunway, Puchong, Klang, KLIA etc. We are not denying residents of Subang Heights/USJ Heights access infrastructure since the Central Sugar end of their current access route leaves much to be desired presently.
* The extra traffic influx will negate on-going efforts in improving traffic congestion in USJ/Subang Jaya.

So USJ and Subang Jaya residents, don't be armchair critics -- you CAN make a meaningful contribution and difference >>> please attend the public hearing and say NO!

Thank you.

From: Eileen/USJ Residents Association

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