National Anthem in cinemas [Archive] - United Subang Jaya Web Forum

rachel_fplee

01-06-2005, 02:13 PM

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/6/1/nation/11096392&sec=nation

Is this an April fool's joke or what? I thought its June... Can it be played after the show rather than before?

hehehe...was also thinking of submitting this topic...you're seconds faster than me...:D

Probably the joker who proposed this brilliant suggestion has runned out of topic to be discussed in the upcoming Parliment meeting...just to create something to prove his existence! :rolleyes:

The next thing you see is, cinema operators reported dropped in revenues...!!! ;)

cherry

01-06-2005, 02:16 PM

Do you think its gonna work? Will people stand up and sing the song?

KelvC

01-06-2005, 02:19 PM

The next thing you see is, cinema operators reported dropped in revenues...!!! ;)
Sigh, why are this fella undoing good work done thus far? Sigh...bring on the pirates. :rolleyes:

Note: Why are the English subtitles horribly written? :o *Sigh*

rachel_fplee

01-06-2005, 02:20 PM

Do you think its gonna work? Will people stand up and sing the song?

hehehe...I'm really looking forward to know...let's see...Malaysia Boleh!!! :D

SS19flyover

01-06-2005, 02:35 PM

it give you the feel of every monday morning school meeting....in my childhood day.
I like it baby!

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 02:42 PM

Now we will have our mata-matas waiting to catch people not showing respect while the anthem is being played in the theatres.
More opportunities for rasuah, more opportunities to take the cinema-going teenagers to the balai to "see what they are made of" & while at it, take decent photos of their indecent dressing, ......
Sheeeesh .............. I luv this tanah tumpahnya darahku ..........

btw which stupid minister suggested this moronic idea ?

rachel_fplee

01-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Maybe Pakcik Sec-Gen of Kem Informasi got the "enlightenment" after reading below article...it's a call to do something for the country! Keeping up the Malaysia Boleh spirit... :D

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2005/6/1/features/11089547&sec=features

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 03:02 PM

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btw which stupid minister suggested this moronic idea ?
Ok .... got my answer. It was another political appointee .... a Sec-gen .... no less.

Ministry secretary-general Datuk Seri Dr Arshad Hashim said cinemas were being encouraged to play the anthem after all commercials and movie trailers were shown.Once this Einstein introduces this idea in theatres, he will have everyone complaining to him that they are deeply upset with the behaviour of the cinema going crowd who show scant respect for the anthem.
Disrespect = Scanty clothes, having an impromptu pop-corn throwing binge, holding hands ( God forbid ), ogling at a fine human specimen of the other gender, digging their ears, munching gum, giggling, picking their noses, fumbling with their ticket stubs, hollering to their friends to catch their attention, hollering to their friends who cant finds their seats in the dark, basically genenrally anything and everything that happens in a normal theatre wld be antithetic to showing respect to the Natinal Anthem.
Take a hike, Arshad.

cherry

01-06-2005, 03:07 PM

Maybe even have a separate cinema for different gender...:eek: I guess Gays and Lesbians gonna like this idea :D

Vixey

01-06-2005, 03:31 PM

Wahhoooo...yippee! Proof yet again of how our-powers-that-be utilise the tiny two grey brain cells they have been blessed with.

Makes me so proud to be a Malaysian when I know just how much time my leaders are putting into making our country a PROGRESSIVE and DEVELOPED nation.

Wonder whats next? On the flip side, I dare say more than three quarters of our ministers would be better utilised at Comic Relief. They keep proving how apt they are at making a joke of themselves.

Vixey

01-06-2005, 03:45 PM

"The campaign, Dr Arshad said, was also to evoke a sense of patriotism and sense of pride in Malaysians.

“We need to acculturate the citizens to always stand at attention and sing along proudly.

“The respect and appreciation for the national anthem is waning and the blame is on us if the future generation can’t sing Negaraku,” he added."

I see...err dear Dr. Arshad, have you found out WHY respect and appreciation for the national anthem seems to be waning? And umm...which bright spark came up with the idea that if you encourage cinema-goers to sing the national anthem at the start of the movie it would miraculously reverse the situation?

I suppose it didn't occur to you that the opposite reaction could be the result of this move? No....of course it didn't.

Please for heaven's sake Dr. Arshad, realise there is a TIME and PLACE for everything. It doesn't mean that we are being disrespectful or unpatriotic. But this borders on being ridiculous and reminescent of propagandist manipulation of the masses.

What do you do when cinema patrons mill about until the movie starts and after the anthem is played? Bar them from entering the cinema once the anthem is played and they didn't sing it?

In my opinion, your efforts in trying to instill patriotism and respect for our national anthem is in fact making a mockery of our Negaraku. Please have some respect for it and have some slight understanding of when the dignity and pride of our anthem should be displayed.

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 04:02 PM

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“The respect and appreciation for the national anthem is waning and the blame is on us if the future generation can’t sing Negaraku,” he added."
This cld surprise the Sec-gen ... I learnt the natinal Anthem in school. I stood up & sang along. I remembered.
Did the good Dr learn respect for the national anthem at the movie theatre or a dangdut joint?
Wld you, sir, kindly draw the line at the bathroom door.
Pls dont insist that I shd sing the anthem before I sing in the bathroom.
Try not to be a moron Arshad. You are going to expose the anthem to ridicule if you persist.
Where is your common sense ?... you know the one that you get when you use that instrument, called otak, between your ears.
Hey, guess what Arshad ? Do you know where is the future generation .... u might not believe this but they are in the schools lah.

PeterHng

01-06-2005, 04:12 PM

It's heading towards Police state like North Korea. Now we are forced to stand upu and sing and later, maybe, they would introduce fines and later on jail etc. Who do they think they are? I think what Marina Mahathir wrote today was timely in The Star at the following link:
http://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2005/6/1/features/11089547&sec=features

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 04:15 PM

Welcome back Peter. How was your trip to the EU ?
aroki is there now, you know ?

headache

01-06-2005, 04:27 PM

Soon, another arseholh Barang Naik govt official would wan to add that there's too much hanky panky in the cinemas and he'll want the lights to be on.
Hey... if Semi Value can recommend that the technician be suspended for a less than perfect bright seminar room, WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT?

Say TAK NAK to Barang Naik govt!!! :mad:

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 04:36 PM

...............Say TAK NAK to Barang Naik govt!!! :mad:
And by Barang we mean ???

Sigmund, pls help. :D ;)
Vixey, is it time for me to stop all discourses with Herr Freud ?
How else can I explain this rather innocuous political discussion taking a Freudian turn ??
Only in my mind you say ? Ok lah guilty as charged. :D :D

Vixey

01-06-2005, 04:57 PM

And by Barang we mean ???

Sigmund, pls help. :D ;)
Vixey, is it time for me to stop all discourses with Herr Freud ?
How else can I explain this rather innocuous political discussion taking a Freudian turn ??
Only in my mind you say ? Ok lah guilty as charged. :D :D

Ahh Joe..tis not in your mind. Freud was right. Yes..yes..don't blink..he was right. Tis what makes the world go round..my man...
Btw Politics and Freud have been happily entangled since the dawn of time.. :p Politics is after all the oldest profession, no? Oh oops... ;) Ah well...same difference. :D

Then again, I could be totally wrong, and its all in your head. Who can blame you though... :D

Zimon

01-06-2005, 05:11 PM

This is going to be scary..... all DVD sold must have the national anthem at the start.......... that might be not too far away.... :eek:

lonewolf8

01-06-2005, 05:13 PM

Singing national anthem in cinema is a custom in Thailand. Perhaps the Datuk got the clue from there.

Joe Gomez

01-06-2005, 05:32 PM

Singing national anthem in cinema is a custom in Thailand. Perhaps the Datuk got the clue from there.
Perhaps.... perhaps.
But he got clue in cinema show or tiger show ah ?
When the protagonist rush to this bloke's defence we will see an outpouring of support for this moron's patriotism and good intentions. What we shd not loose sight of is that a beautiful garland in the hands of a monkey is destined for total destruction. The power vested on this Arshad to make decisions is the garland. Many an atrocity was committed in the name of good intentions.History bears witness to many a well-meaning bloke who brought his country to near annihiliation or the world to war.
Hitler strongly believed that his intentions were good. So did his legion of followers of that time.
So in Arshad's defence let me say that his intentions were good but his intelligence is wanting. We know that ... so lets be understanding.
Our culture (whatever the hell that word means in this land of ours ) expects us to be polite, turn the other cheek ( even if we have been screwed and the word "cheek" takes on an entirely Freudian tone) and respect elders, and authority, and forgive those trespasses others commit against us, ....
Bottom line our culture says lets remain suckers while the likes of Arshad teach us morals, patriotism, etc.
God i luv this country.
Then again we deserve the morons we voted in mah ?

kwchang

02-06-2005, 12:45 AM

I guess the lot of you are soooo young.
In my days, we had the National Anthem at all movie screenings. Most people stood up. I know my family did. We did not sing the anthem but we showed our respect. By the way, there was no abuse or ridicule and it was accepted.

However, I do agree if what you are argueing is the point that patriotism cannot be enforced. I believe patriotism is earned. If the citizens feel patriotic, they will show it. If the Govt tries to force it, they will get negative results.

By the way, the suggestion is only a suggestion. They have left it to the cinemas to decide if they should play the national anthem or not.

Joe Gomez

02-06-2005, 09:23 AM

I guess the lot of you are soooo young.Oh Yes .... I m. :D :cool:

In my days, we had the National Anthem at all movie screenings. Most people stood up. I know my family did. We did not sing the anthem but we showed our respect.Yes siree, & there must have been a reason for stopping that practice. My guess (1) did not make all those folks any more patriotic and (2) did not make the task of ensuring respect any easier. So the Anthem stayed with the schools and official functions.

By the way, there was no abuse or ridicule and it was accepted.There wasnt I admit. But there was inappropriate behaviour during the rendering of the anthem, that was tolerated ( & thank goodness for that, as otherwise most of us soooo young folks would be posting from Simpang Renggam ..... but then, that wld not have been too bad either .... a writ of habeus corpus wld have settled that .... OK Lah another thread !! ;) ;) ). Inappropriate behaviour like belching & other assaults to the auditory senses, yelling, clapping for no reason, picking ones nose, ..... Man, we got away with near bluddy murder. But now in this time and age of one-up-man-ship, wld u not agree that the Municipal blokes wld want to outdo the religious blokes and go after such inappropriate behaviour with religious zeal/fervour ? Let the young in body ( like children ) and the young at heart ( like us ) have a pleasant day/night at the movies without being subjected to doses of patriotism.

............. I believe patriotism is earned. If the citizens feel patriotic, they will show it. If the Govt tries to force it, they will get negative results.chang, let me see whether I can put it in a better way .......hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... NOPE. u r spot on, man.

............. They have left it to the cinemas to decide if they should play the national anthem or not.Thereby making this whole topic of play-the-national-anthem thingey a comical interlude. Everyone knows that it is doomed from the start ( thank gooness for that !! ) but then why did the Sec-gen spend his valuable paid-by-the-public time to make such a suggestion ? Is there an UMNO party election round the corner ? Which gallery is he playing to ?
Marina obviously had such useless punks in mind when she said what she said.

ksj_cool

02-06-2005, 03:12 PM

Maybe Mr Arshad saw a Hindi movie in India, where they play the national anthem and the whole crowd sings along. What a way to show our patriotism! :D

balitan

02-06-2005, 03:34 PM

some food for thought ...............

it seems that in Thailand, the national anthem is played a few times a day

and everyone stands at attention if you are out on the streets

if you are inside the building, no need ................

remembered that when I was small, the national anthem will be played

before cinema show starts .........

reviving old traditions I guess..........................

Joe Gomez

02-06-2005, 03:49 PM

Maybe Mr Arshad saw a Hindi movie in India, where they play the national anthem and the whole crowd sings along. What a way to show our patriotism! :Du r right ksj cool. Wonder whether they still do that. & whether the Indians r a more patriotic lot as a result ...... hmmmmmm.
Ok it is settled then. The gormen shd send the Arshad bloke to India to study the standing-for-the-anthem scene there. The gormen shd ( cos there is no belly dancing there ) arrange for some young, comely starlets from the Bollywood scene to accompany him to the theatres. They shd help Arshad to rise ( I am getting quite annoyed with you now, Herr Freud, for prompting me to say that ) to the occasion.

gtl

02-06-2005, 05:23 PM

cannot tahan must say my piece. i think all of us are upset bcs gormen thinks malaysians are naive and by making us sing or RISE up when we watch movies will make us more malaysian.
to me, i am proud to be a malaysian, rise or no rise.

Joe Gomez

02-06-2005, 11:17 PM

Exactly gtl.
But we voted this bunch of baboons in ......... remember ?

It is not enough to say that it was only an idea that was floated to test the water.
It is a stupid idea and shd not have even been considered.
Arshad shd not be allowed to waste the salary being paid to him. The car that has been issued to him. The perks that he enjoys by virtue of being a Sec-gen.
With all due respects, Arshad, go fly a kite.
You dont have the IQ to fathom what it takes to fly the Jalur Gemilang.
"Patriotism in the hands of a monkey is doomed." - Yaro Idono.

orchipalar

03-06-2005, 12:27 AM

Negaraku
Tanah tumpahnya darahku
Rakyat hidup bersatu dan maju
Rahmat bahagia Tuhan kurniakan
Raja kita selamat bertakhta

Rahmat bahagia Tuhan kurniakan
Raja kita selamat bertakhta...

rachel_fplee

03-06-2005, 09:08 AM

Negaraku
Tanah tumpahnya darahku
Rakyat hidup bersatu dan maju
Rahmat bahagia Tuhan kurniakan
Raja kita selamat bertakhta

Rahmat bahagia Tuhan kurniakan
Raja kita selamat bertakhta...

Orchi, that's a good wan ya... :)

Chermaine

03-06-2005, 02:48 PM

Thanks Orchi I was trying very hard to recall how the lyrics like......I only know Negaraku......for malaysia...
And "marikita la...rakyat singapura.....for singapore........

vsat

03-06-2005, 04:13 PM

headache

03-06-2005, 05:04 PM

I am ashamed with some of your unpatriotic attitude. Maybe it's new to you guys but where I grew up, our cinemas play the state song before the movie starts. This is a form of respect and admiration towards your state. The place where your blood drip when you were born.

You guys dun know how lucky you all are. Standing proudly in the cinema when our national song is played is not a big deal. Only whiners like you guys make it a big deal.

I grew up in Kelantan and I'm proud not to be a whiner.

If the Barang Naik govt stop providing "tongkats" and be fair to all, irrespective of race, colour, religion or creed, I'll be the first one to sing the national anthem, hanging from the top of KL tower. Psss... ssstt... I'm acrophobic, btw.

04-06-2005, 08:58 AM

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/6/1/nation/11096392&sec=nation

Is this an April fool's joke or what? I thought its June... Can it be played after the show rather than before? I think the next move would be reading the Rukun Negara after Negaraku :D

Thank god I only watch vcd/dvd nowadays. :o

These politicians should go and solve the inflation, rape, corruption and theft cases instead.

Joe Gomez

04-06-2005, 12:31 PM

Whose brand / version of patriotism shd the rest of us follow to avoid the pain & shame felt by some illustrious forumers ?

Joe Gomez

04-06-2005, 12:57 PM

This (http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/36667) is worth looking at.

Vixey

04-06-2005, 08:25 PM

JG thanks for the link to the Malaysiakini article. Just thought I highlight some points here since I suspect our Kelantanese non-whiner friend may not have read it. :)

Patriotism is a daily occurrence. We are patriotic when we obey our country’s laws. We are patriotic when we take the trouble to speak up about things we don’t like happening in our country (especially if it’s done by the government).

We are patriotic when we promote the good things about each other and our country, and overlook and try to make good the bad things. We are patriotic when we share, care and help our fellow citizen irrespective of race, religion or gender. And finally, we are patriotic when we ask what we can do for our country, and not what our country can do for us.

Fifthly, the good doctor also mentioned that in the past, the cinemas used to play the national anthem before the start of a movie and he wants to revive this. Firstly, now is not then. Times, people and ideas have changed.

We are no longer in the early throes of nationalism anymore. Secondly, doing something simply because it was done before usually is not a good idea. We cannot go back to how things were simply by re-enacting what was done back then.

Thirdly, playing the anthem in our movie theatres may backfire and result in the anthem being even more cheapened and disrespected since it is played at casual and frivolous occasions. We are not like the Thais who have such deep respect for their king that they leap to attention whenever the royal anthem is played.

I sincerely hope the good doctor would reconsider this futile and simplistic idea, and direct his simple mind and efforts to more fundamental and no less pressing issues affecting our country.

Joe Gomez

05-06-2005, 12:31 PM

Maybe it's new to you guys but where I grew up, our cinemas play the state song before the movie starts. This is a form of respect and admiration towards your state.I wonder why there is no mention of the National Anthem being played .... only state song (anthem) ah ?? :confused:
When I was growing up, the theatres played both the Negaraku and the Johor anthem. So it is not new to me .... not by a long shot, it ain't. ( a bit of cowboy talk there .... downtown Reno punya loghat :cool: )

Lagu Bangsa Johor
Allah peliharakan Sultan
'Nugrahkan dia segala kehormatan
Sehat dan ria, kekal dan makmur
Luaskan kuasa, menaungkan kami
Rakyat dipimpini berzaman lagi
Dengan Merdeka bersatu hati
Allah berkati Johor
Allah selamatkan Sultan
Nevertheless, I did not learn patriotism from standing up at the theatre. I am patriotic cos my parents and teachers implanted the correct thoughts in me ..... thoughts unsullied by racial undertones, political/religious one-up-manships, disrespect for the other race/culture/language, political mistrust.
(An aside : Notice or not the mention of Allah ? .... in that day and age there were no qualms among the non-Muslims about imploring Allah's blessings for our beloved Sultan. No warped fear/suspicion that such act of imploring for Allah's grace will by some mysterious sleight of Divine Hands cause the religious conversion of the anak-anak muda yang bukan Islam who, alongwith their Muslim freinds, happen to be singing their guts out.
Nowadays, why are we, the non-Muslims, fearful/suspicious of everything Islamic ( Islamophobia ) and, similarly, the Muslims suspicious of everything non-Muslim ? How far have we come ? 2 steps forwards and 3 steps backwards ??
No answer needed ..... we are divided along racial and religious lines. While we succumb to & wallow in that filth, there will always be the K-9's (mongrels) of the political field who will continue to take all Malaysians for a ride, & deservedly so, I might add)

The place where your blood drip when you were born.But to the best of my knowledge, the Negaraku refers to darah being tumpah-ed in the motherland ( which to the best of my recollection is a teensy, weensy, bit bigger than Kelantan ). So darah tumpah not only in the state of Kelantan meh?

Whiningly yours
Joe Gomez

Vixey

05-06-2005, 01:30 PM

*tabik* En.Joe Gomez, member rakyat bangsa Malaysia!

KelvC

05-06-2005, 05:52 PM

After reading an old article (http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/25818) it has reminiscent the appreciation of the old national song with pride within me. For wishing not to open a new thread and also within the same "NegaraKu" scope, August 31st is just around the corner and with that, the discussion on the preference of which "NegaraKu" should be played by the old faithfuls.

The said "NegaraKu" was the proof of Malaysia's coming of age from the colonial and occupational past. With something of that historical stature borned from the days of the late Tunku Abdul Rahman's historical Declaration of Independence one would think we have dropped the old but majestic tempo for a more upbeat tempo to benefit the younger generation flavour. With a set precedence, it would be a matter of time our national pride will be refitted for a more hip-hop generations.

As the writer, Pelita Negara, of the above article rightfully said "Are we changing it just for the sake of change?"

It is my most sincere hope, from the bottom of my heart, on Malaysia's 50th Independence Day we will able to hear and savor with pride the one true Independence Day national song, the majestic "NegaraKu".

headache

05-06-2005, 08:19 PM

*tabiks JG...* :)

orchipalar

05-06-2005, 09:14 PM

I am ashamed with some of your unpatriotic attitude.

Err...last Orchi noticed...not everybody goes to the cinemas...

Ahem...so how about for those that chooses NOT to go at all...or they go on irregular basis...err...would you still pass the same comment to these folks...? :confused:

headache

05-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Singing national anthem in cinema is a custom in Thailand. Perhaps the Datuk got the clue from there.

But, does the Datuk know that there's only 1 monarch there and that he will sometimes go out, incognito, just to get a feel of how his subjects are doing?
This is what I gather from my Thai friend, in Bangkok.

Joe Gomez

05-06-2005, 11:23 PM

....... The place where your blood drip when you were born.English translation of Negaraku
"My country, the land where my blood was spilt
The people live united and progressive
God bestow His blessings and happiness on us
May the king reign in peace
God bestow His blessings and happiness on us
May the king reign in peace"

vsat, it is not the blood that dripped when you were born.
It connotes battles and blood shed in battles for the motherland ... not as you imply during childbirth.

Pls refer to translation (http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/Negaraku.html).

Alexius Lim

06-06-2005, 04:02 AM

Nevertheless, I did not learn patriotism from standing up at the theatre. I am patriotic cos my parents and teachers implanted the correct thoughts in me ..... thoughts unsullied by racial undertones, political/religious one-up-manships, disrespect for the other race/culture/language, political mistrust.......

Man - once again, bang on target.....

"some"; if not most, teachers nowadays are so busy preparing material for their extra classes la, tuition classes la, workbooks la etc etc... that they don't even bother or have time to teach in class... :rolleyes: And are we suppose to expect patriotic and nationalistic citizens coming out of our schools today... heck, I wouldn't be suprise that some of these kids probably don't even know how to sing the NEGARAKU Probably, just LIP-SYNC the NEGARAKU like the MTV generation that they are :p

Parent are equally to blame... Both parents busy with work that they don't spend enough QT with the kids and barely have time to teach them basic "please" and "thank you"... and probably hoping that the house maid will teach the kids these basic civilities... The price the nation pays toward a prosperous (or izzit proposterous!) and affluent society....

JG... guess you are in the right direction to where the blame goes for the eroding patriotic values... :p

TepenPucong

06-06-2005, 08:51 AM

This particular MP just knew how to suggest only.

Anybody know whether the Parliament Members have to sang the song during the parliament assembly or not?

If not, they should start it first.

headache

06-06-2005, 11:09 AM

This particular MP just knew how to suggest only.

Anybody know whether the Parliament Members have to sang the song during the parliament assembly or not?

If not, they should start it first.

That's a great idea!!!!!!!!! *tabik...*

Now, if I'm Pak Lah, I'd personally do a private interview of ALL the MPs and ADUN of the Barang Naik. If anyone don't know how to sing, they'll have to spend 2 years in Kamunting. Then, perhaps, I'll join them there, if I'm not already there, liao.