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velociraptor
12-05-2005, 05:19 PM
Hi, bro & sis, which is better? Bosch or Black & Decker for a hammer drill? What should I look for? 450W or 650W? I will need to hang some poster, built a few shelves for books and souvenirs.

Any good DIY book you will recommend? Just browse through the Reader Digest DIY book (RM149) at MPH, not sure is this book the best in the market?

Any help? :confused:

CCY
12-05-2005, 05:37 PM
Hi, bro & sis, which is better? Bosch or Black & Decker for a hammer drill? What should I look for? 450W or 650W? I will need to hang some poster, built a few shelves for books and souvenirs.

Any good DIY book you will recommend? Just browse through the Reader Digest DIY book (RM149) at MPH, not sure is this book the best in the market?

Any help? :confused:

If it's just infrequent use get one from carrefour ...the cheapest you can find . You can buy 5 of those for the price of a black or bosch . If one fails after 1 yrs you still have another 4 .

Icehart
12-05-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi, bro & sis, which is better? Bosch or Black & Decker for a hammer drill? What should I look for? 450W or 650W? I will need to hang some poster, built a few shelves for books and souvenirs.

Any good DIY book you will recommend? Just browse through the Reader Digest DIY book (RM149) at MPH, not sure is this book the best in the market?

Any help? :confused:

I suggest you to try Bosch..

Alexius Lim
12-05-2005, 06:19 PM
Any good DIY book you will recommend? Just browse through the Reader Digest DIY book (RM149) at MPH, not sure is this book the best in the market?

Any help? :confused:


Yup I think you saw the same book... I got it as a christmas present ! TITLE: NEW FIX-IT-YOURSELF MANUAL from READER'S DIGEST. ISBN Reference is 0-89577-871-8
Covers practically every aspect of DIY'ing work @ home (Now don't you go getting ur self fried with the electrical works.... :p )

Cheers

patrick
12-05-2005, 07:25 PM
Between Bosch and B&D, I would go for Bosch. Go for higher voltage. But if specification is available, check for the one with the higher torque. Useful for heavier work.

As for the book, as in all books, there are good pointers. But caution you. Alot of projects are very much related to 'western' houses which are not so practical. At the end, question is the value based on your perception and ability to pay. But for DIY, my personal advice is there is nothing like experience and learn from the local 'sifu'. Watch them when they work and you can pick up lots of DIY tips. In fact that was how I learnt. I only bought books later on for the finer points.

Rgds.

bslee
12-05-2005, 07:33 PM
Hi, bro & sis, which is better? Bosch or Black & Decker for a hammer drill? What should I look for? 450W or 650W? I will need to hang some poster, built a few shelves for books and souvenirs.

Any good DIY book you will recommend? Just browse through the Reader Digest DIY book (RM149) at MPH, not sure is this book the best in the market?

Any help? :confused:

Any hammerdrill available at your nearest hardware store would do just fine. Today's home walls ain't that solid nor very hard. The ceiling may be tougher due to reinforced concrete used.
Certainly a more powerful one would do for heavier duty but you must be comfortable handling it too!.Get a feel of it when buying it!

joker2107
12-05-2005, 09:29 PM
ccy n bslee r right. buy only wat u need. if its just d couple of holes u mentioned that need 2 b made n yr next use is when u can't find d power cord 4 d drill go to carrefour or giant. some more got foc parking.

unless ... if d walls u r gonna drill r like mine, solid concrete n not brickwork, then u might need my kinda piston driven puncher which i'd only trust bosch.

also when u buy drill, know the mount. maybe u only know those which require u 2 lock d drill bit by turning that thingy that its shaft into. bosch is famous 4 a dif system. they r incompatible. and bosch is famous 4 1 more thing - stiff prices.

actually if u got spare rm 2 let fly, b&d has some low price editions. at least then u can keep it till somebody borrows it (permanently) :)

if u ain't steady enuf with a pwr drill and fear u might put a nole in d power cord instead of d wall, then bosch is d one and only. d cheapos and even b&d will not even let u c stars - there'll just b 1 more place at d table and one place less in heaven (tq alw 4 this line). i've put my bosch straight in2 live wires n also short circuited (drill bit touched both live and -ve simultaneously) some installations. my only damage hv been me poor eardrums (short circuiting can really go bang) and d holes in me pockets (wireman blunder wireman pay :mad: )

happy hunting n drilling just don't let d hole go thru 2 d bathroom next door. :D

Alexius Lim
12-05-2005, 10:31 PM
Any hammerdrill available at your nearest hardware store would do just fine. Today's home walls ain't that solid nor very hard......


well...on the contrary, if you are staying in one of those pre-fab "condos" that are built FORD TOUGH real fast with concrete wall casts... get ready for a smoking time with your normal drill... almost cooked my drill (drill bit.!!! another story!!) on the wall at sister in law's condo in Cita Damansara... :p

bslee
12-05-2005, 11:43 PM
I don't think SJ or USJ homes are that "solid" or tough!. Gone are the times where houses are built to proper specifications or guidelines. I sometimes get the shivers as to whether its really safe, not to mention we're getting earthquake jitters as of late. Like the indifferent saying in Canto " Hai kum ke ler!" or for the benefit of others understanding the term " Its just like that lah!"..

kwchang
13-05-2005, 01:18 AM
One thing to be aware of - heavy duty tiles! I chose the wrong tiles for my wash area's walls. They were heavy duty tiles meant for drive-ways. I broke 2 drill bits and chipped another trying to drill into the wall tiles. It was a helluva racket when I turned on the hammer. So even if the walls are soft, the tiles can be a real headache. And of course, concrete can be very tough too.

So go buy a good strong drill and that's not all - get good drill bits. Furthermore, to be really safe, get safety goggles to protect your eyes. Finally, call Alan when you turn your house into Swiss Cheese :)

Firefly
13-05-2005, 08:33 AM
There are a few types of Hammer Drill.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/530px-Hammer_drill-1.jpg

This is more of a general purpose hammer drill

and

http://www.cumminstools.com/prodimg/3096.jpg

The second type is more for walls and concrete works.

squah
13-05-2005, 08:58 AM
I have both B&D and Bosch. If you have to drill a hole on brick wall both sets are fine. I notived that I have a tougher time making a hole on a concrete beam with B&D. Both 450W.

Steve

PJS
13-05-2005, 09:41 AM
If u plan to DIY for a number of projects and keep doing it for some time, invest in a good solid hammer drill, with highest wattage, that u can afford, and then stretch you budget a little bit more.

I have a Bosch drill, drilling thru bricks walls is not problemo, but when drilling into the concrete beams & pillars, it is pretty hard sometimes, depending on the point of contact. If your drill bit just happens to go in where the steel bars is, then good luck. Those contractors with the BIG drills can drill anywhere without a problem. My brother's B&D drill seems to be able to drill slightly better in these circumstances.

If u want to fix shelves to room corners, u will most likely drill into concrete beams. So get the best one u can afford. If it still can't drill thru the beams, then just patch it back up and drill somewhere else, or go borrow an industrial strength drill somewhere. If you try to persist with an underpowered drill, u risk making a big, messy, shallow hole(coz it can't punch through), hahaha!

For tiles, get a special tile bit, don't use the concrete drill bits(light coloured steel) or the wood/iron drill bits(dark colour steel). The tile drill bit has an spear shape head that can cut into the toughest tiles. Sometime I also use this bit to drill a neat hole on bricks, then switch to concrete bits for punching thru.

As to which drills to choose, can't help u there, I've only bought one drill in my life and not interested to research anymore. The common RM200-300 drill in the store are general purpose drills and more suited to wood & bricks and that sort of light duties. Contractors use those big ones with a side handle and those are proper hammer drills. You should ask for advise from an experience shop or more b4 u buy.

PJS
13-05-2005, 09:47 AM
Ah yes, think of your safety! Follow kwchang's advise, wear a safety goggle, as well as ear protection when u drill. I do!

When you at drilling at close ranger, your ears are inches away from the drill, and can u imagine how many decibels those drills put out? Louder than discos, and more than enuff to damage your hearing. And if your hand is not stable or drilled at the wrong angle, drill bits can break and shoot into your eyes! :eek: Don't pray pray!

CS Chua
13-05-2005, 10:33 AM
Bosch is definitely better than B&D. I used to think like some of you, buy a simple hammerdrill to do some simple housework. After 10 years, I regret it now as I cannot use it for heavier work. The chuck size is fixed and the power is insufficient. Wish I had bought a more powerful one with a larger keyed chuck. BTW, make sure it has variable speeds. Helps a lot.

velociraptor
13-05-2005, 11:57 AM
Thank you all for the advice, experience and input. Have a great day. :)

monster
13-05-2005, 04:24 PM
Ah yes, think of your safety! Follow kwchang's advise, wear a safety goggle, as well as ear protection when u drill. I do!

When you at drilling at close ranger, your ears are inches away from the drill, and can u imagine how many decibels those drills put out? Louder than discos, and more than enuff to damage your hearing. And if your hand is not stable or drilled at the wrong angle, drill bits can break and shoot into your eyes! :eek: Don't pray pray!

Get better safety goggles (cost more $$) and not the cheap ones you can get at Giant/Tesco. I tried the cheap ones and they fog up easily.

patrick
14-05-2005, 12:34 AM
I fully agree with CS Chua and a few others. Prefer to invest in a good unit. You may not need a more powerful one but what happen if tomorrow you need to say, drill your ceiling to hang your ceiling light? Most ceilings are concrete reinforced and that means one will have a real tough time without a good hammer drill. If anyone says most walls nowadays are easy to drill, the next time I need to drill my wall or ceiling, I am going to invite them over.

As for the gentleman to drilled into his wires, aiyoh, please lah. Always check for live wire whenever you are drilling your wall. Check with a metal/wire detector which are nowadays available cheaply compared to those days when I had to import them from overseas. The new DIYs are so lucky these days. Those days I had to buy lots of stuff from overseas! I remeber those days looking for a Stanley planer also susah! And hammer drill? Langsong ta'da those days!

Rgds.

Firefly
14-05-2005, 09:49 AM
From experience..Hilti is still the king of the concrete hill. ( http://www.hilti.ca/ ) One of them hammer drill will last for ages (and also burn a big big hole in the pocket.)

bslee
14-05-2005, 01:50 PM
From experience..Hilti is still the king of the concrete hill. ( http://www.hilti.ca/ ) One of them hammer drill will last for ages (and also burn a big big hole in the pocket.)

Awww c'mon people!..isn't this over enthusiastic just for wanting to drill a couple of holes once a while?. I could get away with it doing it with a simple raw plug punch and hammer!.

PJS
14-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Hahaha, I used to punch holes with a plug punch and hammer, but it could take hours to punch 4 or 6 holes to hand an Ikea shelf, ain't it? Back then, we only used to punch 1 or 2 holes to hang hooks, and can call upon a handyman to fix simple curtain rods, or even ask an electrician to help fix a shelf when he comes to fix our wiring. Nowaday, how can? ??

Now everything is DIY, so a decent drill is a nice to have item to expand your DIY horizons. And for those who like to DIY Ikea furnitures, a cordless screwdriver is a must!

patrick
15-05-2005, 06:12 PM
bslee, are you serious???? about..

"Awww c'mon people!..isn't this over enthusiastic just for wanting to drill a couple of holes once a while?. I could get away with it doing it with a simple raw plug punch and hammer!"

I admire you for that!!! I still have my tools but if I use them in my apartment...die lah!! Good for you!!

bslee
15-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Patrick! of course I'm serious!.I've had a very fair share of experiencing sorts of powertools from industry standard to domestic ones, including pneumatic tools in my younger days. I was referring to firefly's posting about suggesting anyone to buy a Hilti for domestic diy jobs. Well, if anyone's for it, by all means..of course!.
Having said that, a 450W to 500W+ drill with a hammer feature would suffice most!.
Some drills having electronic adjustable speeds too..even more flexible for delicate jobs. BTW, when drilling a hole in concrete, its best not to drill at high speed..it'll ruin the carbide tip very shortly!
One method I use if drilling a big hole in concrete, I use 2 drill sizes, drill 1st with a small diameter, then drill again with a bigger bit to the required size. That will reduce chances of making the hole look like an ugly crater.
Best to have an assortment of concrete drill bits, they come in handy and are not very expensive...usually sold in box sets..or pic & choose common sizes at some speciality hardware shops in town..sure got wan!..

CCY
16-05-2005, 11:19 AM
Having said that, a 450W to 500W+ drill with a hammer feature would suffice most!.
Some drills having electronic adjustable speeds too..even more flexible for delicate jobs. BTW, when drilling a hole in concrete, its best not to drill at high speed..it'll ruin the carbide tip very shortly!
One method I use if drilling a big hole in concrete, I use 2 drill sizes, drill 1st with a small diameter, then drill again with a bigger bit to the required size. That will reduce chances of making the hole look like an ugly crater.
Best to have an assortment of concrete drill bits, they come in handy and are not very expensive...usually sold in box sets..or pic & choose common sizes at some speciality hardware shops in town..sure got wan!..

Seems that most have the notion that a drill with the most brute force will get the job done effortlessly . Drill is just half the complete tool . Yes you're right in mentioning that . Another shortcut way is to blast at fullspeed hoping that it will drill faster .Almost always tell my guys that he is starting a fire n not drilling a hole. Anyone having a lesson in the most basic powermechanic lesson in school would have notice cutting speed of materials. I always have a range of bits at my disposal . Variable speed drill preferred for a finer job.

Firefly
16-05-2005, 11:27 AM
Kakakakaka. bslee... I would not recommend home users to buy a Hilti. I only mention Hilti as the thread only mention only Bosch and B&D, as a comparision.

No worries. don't think DIYs in the their right mind would pay for a Hilti anyway. (unless you really have the RMs to burn) Some small contractors also refuse to pay for a Hilti.

bslee
16-05-2005, 05:46 PM
No worries. don't think DIYs in the their right mind would pay for a Hilti anyway. (unless you really have the RMs to burn) Some small contractors also refuse to pay for a Hilti.

Hehhehe!.. its to no wonder that contractors would leave the "boring" jobs to the ingenuity of the indifferent Indon or Bangla staff by which we'd likely frown or faint at the results!. :rolleyes:

Firefly
17-05-2005, 08:43 AM
kakakakaka...Using the old Punch and hammer method and leaving the whole wall to patch :eek: (Have actually seen that.)