runaway maid boo boo

[joker2107]

source : http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/MM/Thursday/National/20050505130152/Article/index_html

also in malay mail pg 15 5/5/05.
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Runaway maid seeks help from consumer association: ‘I want to go home!’
DENNIS CHUA
SHAH ALAM, Selangor, May 5

House maid Minawati Yaten, 19, from Lampung in Sumatra, wants to go home.
However, she cannot do so because her employers, from whom she fled early yesterday, are allegedly holding her passport.

Minawati, who is staying at a half-way house with help from the Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam (CASSA), is counting on the association to help her claim her wages and her passport from her employers.

She had been working in Shah Alam and Klang at the two houses belonging to a couple since Oct 16 last year.

“From Mondays to Fridays I worked at their house in Southern Park, Klang. Then, on Saturdays and Sundays, I worked at the other house in Shah Alam.

“This couple work in an airline. They are seldom at home and I was normally with the wife’s mother, and their seven-year-old daughter.”

Minawati claimed that while she was not physically abused, they made her take their dog for a walk, and made her slice non-halal meat in the kitchen.

She also claimed that they insisted that she performed such tasks despite the contract with the maid agency that she should not perform chores that violated her religious practices.

“I was to be paid RM380 a month, and I was to serve them for two years,” she claimed, adding that they had only paid her RM50 to date, and had withheld the rest of her wages.

Minawati took a taxi from her employers’ house in Shah Alam to the office of CASSA president Jacob George yesterday.

She told him that she “could not bear” working with her employers.

George said: “Besides being made to do chores against her religious practices, she has also been denied rest-days.”

“A few days ago, she told the couple that she did not want to work with them any more, and they told her that she ought to be sent back home by boat.”

George said CASSA will help Minawati get her wages and help her return home.

He said that they would help Minawati in making a police report against her employers at the Shah Alam police station.

“CASSA will also be seeking Home Minister Datuk Azmi Khalid’s intervention in this case. We appeal to the Ministry to conduct an investigation,” he said.

He said that both the maid agencies in Malaysia and Indonesia had falsified her actual age and listed her as a 25-year-old.

CASSA can be contacted at 016-2917001.
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me hope this not another publicity stunt by cassa gone awry. cassa shud know that it simply aint not right 2 keep a runaway maid unless it has been permitted by immigration or court order. d runaway maid is an illegal immigrant cos she has abandoned her lawful sponsor and abode when her life was hardly in danger. that makes cassa an accessory 2 a crime of harbouring an illegal immigrant. this publicity stint has put into the minds of d public that it is ok 2 harbour runaway maids who spin out a yarn of sorrow (seems like djg has not heard really sorrowful tales nor seen pictures of impeccable horror). is this d kind of leadership vision 2020 seeks?
what claim has cassa verified? yr guess is as good as mine. boo boo 1 is cassa does not seem 2 know that indon maids do not get 2 c their salary 4 5 - 6 mths. this dough is paid in advance 2 d agency to settle d maid’s liabilities –stinking agencies want d cash upfront; more decent agencies collect post dated chq. just how much cash is this renegade vagabond entitled 2 at d time she absconded? and how many of u employers of indon maids hand d salary to d maid in cash? heck, 4 d life of me, i ain’t never gonna do no such thingy not even on d day they depart. that’s an unwritten law 4 her security. and mine.
djg aint seen no contact of employment yet so how did he come 2 side d complainant on d scope of work? so far i ain’t seen not even one indon who’s taboo over handling of animals and pork and its all written in their biodata signed by em maids.
who confirmed that d runaway was overworked and under rested? key phrase is “who confirmed”.
this maid seems pretty smart, knowing how 2 locate a consumer’s assn and how 2 quote from her contract. unfortunately she din’t know how 2 quote her obligation under her entry permit requiring her 2 surrender 2 an appropriate auhtority if she wishes 2 scram. d rightful refuge is the original agency or the indon embassy or a police station, but cassa? must hv been some plot out of a movie.
as though such boo boos r not enuf, djg gotta hit d agencies below d belt by publicly accusing them of cheating. if he had any integrity, he wud hv checked d passport to see who gave d age 2 d maid. (btw if d employer does not keep d passport, who’s gonna be responsible 4 it? hand it 2 d maid like a walking cert?) if d indon govt certified d maid’s birthday, who is djg to challenge it? also, all prospective maids know that d minimum age 4 entry 2 work in msia is 25. if she claims she’s only 19 then she has committed a crime by misleading d authorities 2 approve her permit. is she now complaining that she is a criminal by falsifying her age? wanna lay blame on incorrect age – blame the maid? the agencies? the employers? the indon immigration? o blimey me may d good lord bless me – i hv written volumes on this but the media must hv found my blood sweat and tears seditious cos they touched on the integrity of the people in our embassy in jakarta who handle work permits. as loyal tax payers u might also wanna ask how the civil servants funded by u scrutinise applications for work permits, knowing full well that honesty is hardly part of some cultures, perhaps out of desparation.
but 4 d ungodly hr, i’ve now got 2 leave djg in peace to figure out how he’s gonn wrangle his way outta this boo boo. not just defending slander suits, but, if there is really no selective prosecution, there will also be a criminal charge of harbouring an illegal immigrant. and 4 d livelihood of cassa’s dependents, he cannot afford 2 let cassa be deregistered 4 being involved in an illegal activity of harbouring an illegal.

[cskok8]

If she is indeed only 19 she should not even be working here. The Indonesian govt have imposed an age limit of 25 (minimum) for maids wanting to work overseas.

[JoeJaffar]

in most cases, the ones losing out are us, the average household in malaysia who needs maid to help around the house while we go to work. either we get screwed from the local agent, or the indonesian agent, or the maid itself.

[Timo]

The ones losing out are us? I see. RM 380 per month - for a 5 day working week, 8 hours a day, that's about RM 2.15 per hour. And we are whining about losing out, and carrying signs which read "Burn her!" "Send her back to where she came from!" "She deserves everything she gets!". Glad to see such love within the human race.

[dragonfly]

The ones losing out are us? I see. RM 380 per month - for a 5 day working week, 8 hours a day, that's about RM 2.15 per hour. And we are whining about losing out, and carrying signs which read "Burn her!" "Send her back to where she came from!" "She deserves everything she gets!". Glad to see such love within the human race.

TIMO......just additional info. It's 6 days a week, 12--16 hrs a day and doing extra work not in contract...like washing the car, bathing the dog and gardening!

Joe...since you feel being screwed up in all holes by this foreign maid issue, why not get a local one or better still not at all. You save all the frustrations and $$$ too. Hire maid also problem....never hire lagi problem!!

[CASSA318]

From the Malay Mail dated Friday May 6 2005 on page 7:

MISTREATED MAID RETURNS TO INDONESIA

Shah Alam: Housemaid Minawati Yaten who claimed she was mistreated by her former employers, has returned to Indonesia.

Her former employers have apologised to her and paid her wages in full.

Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam (CASSA) president Jacob George said this came about after a meeting between Minawati 19 and her former employers on Wednesday evening.

"We reached a settlement on the same day she approached us. The couple agreed to pay her the six months wages they had withheld and also apologised to the maid for making her cut non-halal meat and take care of their pet dog" said George.

George said CASSA and the couple helped Minawati buy an airticket to return to Jakarta about 11.40am yesterday.

He said that CASSA would alert Home Minister Datuk Azmi Khalid that certain maid recruitment agents gave false and misleading information on foreign maids to prospective employers.

The Malay Mail yesterday highlighted Minawati's plight.

Meanwhile, the Malaysian Association of Foreign Maid Agencies vice president Jeff Foo said foreign maids had a right to complain and report their employers who force them to do chores that are against their religious beliefs.

:)

[Pets=Friends]

What i don't understand is, who made CASSA the appointed party to champion the cause for foreign maids. Don't they already have their hands full with raising petrol prices and unscrupulous business owners trying to make a quick buck out of our insecurities.

The standard procedure is that we don't pay the maid in cash monthly or lump sum, we merely show to her how much we have bank into an account open for her. When she's leaves the country, we will pay her the wages due to her. This has been going on for sometime and is the accepted practice here, the maid has already been inform of the procedure prior to signing of the contract. I don't see how this can be misconstrued as witholding her wages.

Walking the family dog is not against her religion, touching the bodily fluids of the dog is. Many Muslim veterinarian and policemen in the K9 unit practises the correct method of handling dogs and they would agree that they are doing something that do not contradicts their religion.

However, making her slice non-halal meat and not giving her rest day is unacceptable. Even so, CASSA playing knight in shining armor is a bit of a joke. What will be next, Michael Chong helping construction workers who complain of working at night.

[GreenBug]

Strange, I also dunno where Dr Jacob George stays and this 19-year old maid who has only been in Malaysia since October does. I smell a big rat... :rolleyes:

Having said that, CASSA should have just handed her to her embassy or connect her with her local agent. I am sure if she can find the president's house, she should know who/where her local recruiting agent is. :rolleyes:

[lonewolf8]

I thought Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam (CASSA) is set up to address consumer issues. Is the maid a consumer? :rolleyes:

[dragonfly]

What i don't understand is, who made CASSA the appointed party to champion the cause for foreign maids

Is it not humanity to show concern and help someone whom we know has been wronged and unfairly treated? If you have been wrongfully accused for something....and I know you are innocent and can prove it......what appointments and credentials do I need to come to your aid? Come on, if you choose to close an eye to the unjustice around you....why condemn others coming forward? Is a maid not human and worthy of sympathy?

Walking the family dog is not against her religion, touching the bodily fluids of the dog is.

What category does bathing dogs fall into??

Michael Chong helping co,nstruction workers who complain of working at night.
Michael Chong would have definetely helped her if she had approached him! Are you implying MC has got nothing else better to do than to try solve people's problem?

[Pets=Friends]

First of all, there was no indication at all that she had to bathe any dogs, read the article pal. I just said it as it is.

Second of all, it's one thing coming for the aid of a damsel in distress but to do it in the CASSA cloak, what's that all about. Get a lawyer then if anyone wants to help her in their own capacity.

I'm not implying anything at all about Mr.Chong, you wanna see it that way, fine suit yourself. As i know, he works tirelessly in helping those in need and believe or not, people do come to him for help to solve their problems.

[Alexius Lim]

If she is indeed only 19 she should not even be working here. The Indonesian govt have imposed an age limit of 25 (minimum) for maids wanting to work overseas.


Now isn't that a bluddy suprise... 19 years old !! :rolleyes:

I see these workers (domestic maids) almost every other day at KLIA and more than half of them hardly even look 20 years old! Its either the agencies are blind, the Immigration on both sides of the Straits are blind or the prospective employer oso blind!! Or worst they all in cahoots! just to get a domestic maid (PERIOD!) :rolleyes:

I have a funny feeling that this maid just got homesick and/or tired of being scolded by the MIL, so she bolted on the first chance she had. I am also sure she had gotten some sort advice from the couple's neighbors or other maids in the neighborhood to make up the reason or rational to why she bolted!! How else did she end up with CASSA and not IPD Shah Alam first.

After paying so much in advance for a maid... I am sure most employers would just close both eyes and accept the maid and cross his/her fingers that they got a good maid for the household.

What gives me the creeps is, if ( and I mean "if" ) the Immigration is closing one eye to the maid data ( here, it is the age issue...) can you imagine if the immigration also closes their eyes to other security related things. I once actually was ask to pay a "token" amount to enter Indonesia because I "ticked" the wrong 'reason' for visiting Indonesia. Nice to know if one is going for a holiday in Indonesia - no visa is required, but if one is there even for a 1 day business trip - its either you have a visa or you head back home on the same flight that you came in with.... or do a "donation" to the officer there. I'm ain't kidding... ( Y'all guess la what I did.... :p .) The scary part, was when I realised that what if; a fugitive or worst - a terrorist want to get on a flight out.... he "donates" ... he could end up on the same flight as me.. :eek:

[joker2107]

yellow card 4 greenbug -
"I also dunno where Dr Jacob George stays and this 19-year old maid who has only been in Malaysia since October does"
sorry buddy, but nobody talked about djg's house. report said "Minawati took a taxi from her employers’ house in Shah Alam to the office of CASSA president" :o anyway, i like d part about d rat.

red card 4 lonewolf8 (with lonely and desparate maids running loose uncontrolled it wud b doubly dangerous 2 hv a lonely wolf around :D )

I thought Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam (CASSA) is set up to address consumer issues. Is the maid a consumer? :rolleyes:
mr wolf, we all r consumers, maid or not maid, cassa or usj dot com dot my. but pls dont consumate d maids huh. maids problem with employer is ir matter but i dont hv confidence in d minister who blamed jakarta 4 doing nothing 'bout indons screwing up their work permits here. employer's problem with maid might b a consumerism issue and if indeed it is it shud b d employer on bended knees before djg and not d maid.

quote: "The couple agreed to pay her the six months wages they had withheld " unquote
i'd like 2 know which agency is involved here. many moons past this joker wrote a memo to suhakam re d abuse of human rights and dignity of foreign maids who r more like slaves sold by agencies to employers. indon maids come here in search of their rainbow's end but even b4 they hv a chance 2 c their boss they r already in debt of 5-6 mths gaji. thats almost 2k and its really big money 2 me, wat more 2 d maid! none of d maids i know ever got so much as a smell of their first couple of months' salaries.

i like roses but when its painted with smudgy ink i think it fair 2 show contempt 4 it.

[CASSA318]

07/05/05

Dear Puan Nora - Good Evening, We are sad to read what is posted and would be happy if you could post this reply from us through CASSA to set the record straight.
Thank you.
BS


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THANK YOU DR GEORGE & CASSA

My family and I are really impressed with this usj.com.my forum and others like http://cassa.org.my or the weblog at http://drjacobgeorge.com which is really good.

We were referred to this usj forum by friends since the posts centred around our recent problems with our Indonesia domestic helper Mina who has since returned.

We are also victims!

And we put on record that we did no wrong as the maid had indeed carried out her duties as she agreed in the contractual agreement having full knowledge that she was working in a Chinese household and work by the conditions as per the conditions set out in contract and interview.

However, we record our displeasure and are indeed saddened at some of the posts which seem to be irresponsible, unkind and seem to go on a personal vendetta against at Dr. Jacob George who approached by third parties, had come forward with objectivity, speedy solutions and helped both Mina and us to settle a problem professionally and infact actually convinced us in our time of dire need that there are individuals and organizations that are indeed honourable and caring in our midst at a time we were made to look really bad in the press for no fault of ours.

As for the earlier posts perhaps, those who posted had their own personal agenda while others write things without facts or did not read the full text and facts as it appeared in several vernacular newspapers prior and seemed to have fully relied on the Malay Mail version.

On hindsight, my wife and I are rather grateful today that it was to Dr. Jacob George and CASSA that Mina's contacts referred her to.

In the past we had heard about his social contribution and work and read his articles and through this problem of ours had a chance to finally meet him personally through this episode.

We record our sincere thanks to Dr. Jacob George & CASSA who handled this matter in a manner that was professional, fast and fair.

As far as we are concerned this matter is settled!

We have learnt a bitter and expensive lesson in trusting agents and their contracts without counter checking and do hope others are more careful than we have been.

BS ( Shah Alam)

[joker2107]

do i c the referee with whistle in mouth and a hand to te left chest pocket and the other hand scratching his head??? perhaps b4 the whistle is blown, all u good forumers might wanna pm me yr honest opinion on this issue and indicate if u wud allow yrself to be quoted. i wud, at my convenience, summarise the results, promise no cheating by me but pls dont cheat me by multi posting agsint me lah.


dear employer of mina
if u hv read the juice of my original post you wud hv understood that i am emphasising, 2 quote yourself, "We are also victims", or more correctly, YOU ARE THE VICTIM, PERSECUTED WITHOUT DEFENCE IN PUBLIC BY THE MEDIA. that is y reports from the mm r very good examples. this is amplified by the fact that i did not read other papers. can u see the damage done to yr good name cos yr private matter was taken 2 the press without your input?

to quote yrgoodself again, "we put on record that we did no wrong as the maid had indeed carried out her duties as she agreed in the contractual agreement having full knowledge that she was working in a Chinese household and work by the conditions as per the conditions set out in contract and interview.", isn't this what my original post mentioned? what does "djg aint seen no contact of employment yet so how did he come 2 side d complainant on d scope of work? so far i ain’t seen not even one indon who’s taboo over handling of animals and pork and its all written in their biodata signed by em maids" mean?????? and by yr own admission and even as it stands now, u hv done no wrong - that is the very reason y i am obliged 2 question y somebody has 2 be glorified at yr expense, or more specifically what was there for u to apologise about? quote " ... apologised to the maid for making her cut non-halal meat and take care of their pet dog" said George." isn't the press statement belittling yr goodself and absolutely contradictory to yr plea of not guilty? instead of u slamming the media 4 implicating that u were at fault, i feel i am being reproached by u 4 saying, even b4 u did, that u " did no wrong as the maid had indeed carried out her duties as she agreed in the contractual agreement".

"we record our displeasure and are indeed saddened at some of the posts which seem to be irresponsible, unkind and seem to go on a personal vendetta against at Dr. Jacob George who approached by third parties, had come forward with objectivity, speedy solutions and helped both Mina and us to settle a problem professionally and infact actually convinced us in our time of dire need that there are individuals and organizations that are indeed honourable and caring in our midst at a time we were made to look really bad in the press for no fault of ours". only my posts wud hv portrayed 2 those with stiff necks that djg is being attacked. a true consumer advocate must know the limitations and boundaries of his rights in championing the rights of consumers. just as i hv personally had countless experiences worthy of case-study status, u were not helpless. u were in fact obliged 2 settle yr maid problem through the agency. as i mentioned, "employer's problem with maid might b a consumerism issue and if indeed it is it shud b d employer on bended knees before djg and not d maid." i m adamant that a respopnsible citizen, individual or corporate, wud and must, observe the laws of the land, very much more so when i hv written numerous articles on the issue of runaway maids being a matter of national security more than anything else. do u realise that the passport of your maid is worth nothing more than a permit to travel beyond the borders of indonesia? it is hardly an identification document. each and every time she comes to m'sia to work, she will have a different passport, and very probably, a different name. if that maid had previously runaway from her employer in msia, our local immigaration people will never know that they are dealing with someone who should hv a criminal record. our immigration only began, or is supposed to hv implemented, fingerprinting indon maids this month. yes, hardly a week ago. if cassa and djg has such expertise in indon maid issues as 2 b competent 2 handle yr matter most appropriately, i repeat, most appropriately, they would hv had resolved the anomaly with azmi khalid's predecessor and fong chan onn long long long ago. if u r a genuinely law abiding citizen and true msian u wud not want to run afoul of our immigration laws just bcos u want 2 get rid of a problem in hand, ie yr indon maid.

"there are individuals and organizations that are indeed honourable and caring in our midst at a time we were made to look really bad in the press for no fault of ours". a very interesting observation, a propaganda? this is not a prosecutor playing judge and executioner. nay, the prosecutor is playing defence counsel. that is, at least, as it appears in the mm. ask yrself, how did the bad publicity against u get 2 the press? did u want it or welcome it? wud u hv allowed it (the statements as published in the malay mail) had u been consulted beforehand? do u agree that if there was no interference by third parties then the bad publicity against u and the misinformation and ill-wills and this thread wud never hv seen the light of day? GOD forgive me, but this is no blaspheme - the holy book says if some one slaps u on one cheek turn yr head and offer him yr other cheek; forgive and u will be forgiven; - may the good Lord bless u abundantly for demonstrating the true tenets of christianity.

"we had heard about his social contribution and work and read his articles"
i chose this forum 2 pursue what i perceive and sincerely and absolutely believe 2 be a wrong and bad and unlawful action taken by cassa/djg bcos this is where i met them and this is where a few hundred people wud hv felt doubly cheated after having been coaxed 2 part with remnanats of their life savings (the better part of their wealth having been parted 2 a renegade developer) chasing an impossible mission very much 2 my angst and against my vehement plea and advice. i wud hv preferred that this very ugly episode be left buried, but since the worms placed the can opener on the table beside the can, i am cannot resist puncturing the can.

i passionately feel obliged 2 remind the world that the maker of one big mistake has trodden on another, only this time it impinged on the integrity of an innocent party (thats u) and run afoul of the law in the process. and worse still, instead of admitting that the process was not lawful, the wronged party is being used 2 glorify the wrong.

each and every one of us is human, however religious we may seem to be, and we are all capable of doing things wrongly..
there are no gods on earth and in cyber space today, and nobody shud play god. a wrong is a wrong and two wrongs won't make the wrong a right. as humans, we sure do have pride, but the greater virtue is humility. and IF I HV MADE A BLUNDER WHICH MY THICK SKIN PROHIBITS ME FROM APOLOGISING 4, I WUD SIMPLY LIE LOW AND BURY MY FACE FOR A WHILE, PREFERRING DEFEANING SILENCE RATHER THAN INVOKING DESERVING WHIPLASH.

againt, i repeat, u wud not want to run afoul of our immigration laws JUST BCOS U WANT 2 GET RID OF A PROBLEM IN HAND, ie yr indon maid ?.

[mackzulkifli]

I am missing the point here. The maid ran to CASSA, and then a meeting was set up by said party with her employers, and they came to an amicable solution, as I read it that both parties felt partly victimised and agreed to part ways. The employers felt that CASSA had done them a service by mediating the issue.

If anyone noted from the employer's reply (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=62357&postcount=14), it is stated that a third party had pointed CASSA to the maid, which Malay Mail did not mention. This could have been a sympathetic neighbour who knew of CASSA and probably JG himself, hence seeing a mediating party whom could find a solution, they probably pointed her there.

The fact that the employers, the maid and CASSA have come by a solution, and the employers, whom themselves felt victimised, have written in defense of JG, only serves to state that the issue is over and done with.

So in finality, if I may ask, what is the issue here? The real isue, please. Towards the end of the post, joker 2107 went on hat seems to me to be a tad bit off tangent,


i passionately feel obliged 2 remind the world that the maker of one big mistake has trodden on another, only this time it impinged on the integrity of an innocent party (thats u) and run afoul of the law in the process. and worse still, instead of admitting that the process was not lawful, the wronged party is being used 2 glorify the wrong.


each and every one of us is human, however religious we may seem to be, and we are all capable of doing things wrongly..
there are no gods on earth and in cyber space today, and nobody shud play god. a wrong is a wrong and two wrongs won't make the wrong a right. as humans, we sure do have pride, but the greater virtue is humility. and IF I HV MADE A BLUNDER WHICH MY THICK SKIN PROHIBITS ME FROM APOLOGISING 4, I WUD SIMPLY LIE LOW AND BURY MY FACE FOR A WHILE, PREFERRING DEFEANING SILENCE RATHER THAN INVOKING DESERVING WHIPLASH.

Has JG wronged you in the past (via the punctured can clause I suspect more behind this) and if so, join the dotted lines.

[ivanhow]

Fellow forumers,
The question u may 1-2 ask is, "Who is CASSA 318 working for?", and "how come the reply from the employer of Mina comes via Puan Nora?", and, "who is Pn Nora?"

Without these questions answered, you may be just second-guessing, pummelling the air. :)

[tan_r]

BS was referred to this forum by friends and appears to be following the postings of this thread. Is there any reason why his reply has to be via another party? Can anyone think of any logical reason for that? :confused:

[mackzulkifli]

BS was referred to this forum by friends and appears to be following the postings of this thread. Is there any reason why his reply has to be via another party? Can anyone think of any logical reason for that? :confused:

Valid point. If a reply to this forum is required, than a direct entry is far more logical, unless the people are not net savvy. I believe that it was mentioned that these people worked in the airlines, and through my experience. most of them are terminal-competent and can easily manage a simple interface like this.

Then again, that would be speculative.

What exactly is the point that is being communicated here. Are we interested in the maid problem in general? Are we interested in the role CASSA plays or are we interested in how DJG handled the affair? The last would be personal, as it definately should be an issue (pick on of the prior) that is organisational in manner.

Unless DJG is CASSA in entirety, in terms of policy and manifestation. Than the lines of personal and organisational accountability becomes somewhat blurred.

Tak betul?

[joker2107]

i van how 2 answer d big big mystery (sorry 4 d pun).
i've got lots more big q but pls give me some time 2 do me backgrd chk with some qtrs on whats happened 2 some of d toilet paper on which i scribbled my tots when n where i m most at peace with meself.
in d meantime, i believe almost all seasoned forumers r familiar with d pm (4 private message) feature in this forum. if u wanna find me, its just a couple of clicks away in d pm column. if u use streamyx, its foc. much cheaper than maxis or celcom or tm ....
meanwhile my scotty buddy, i trust u berdikari n not a tripod proxy for some injured party... u n i know that d maid did not run 2 cassa - that some 3rd party was involved - some names not 2 b mentioned - i've got eyes and ears and hands in so many nooks and corners n i rather not blemish a left hand partner if that fella is gracious enuf 2 acknowledge that going 2 d media was a horrid bad mistake...

[topguru]

TO JOKER 2107 - A FRIENDLY ADVICE!

My sincere advice. :)

This is a community forum set up by Jeff Ooi, a caring and concerned individual and it is perhaps left as such. :)

This Shah Alam & Klang maid matter is settled and the silence of DJG should not be misconstrued by any quarter as a weakness - more so, the individual who so far have second guessed and got his mathematics all wrong!

Let us not make this forum a war zone to address what is obviously to all now plainly a private & personal agenda between an individual wanting to settle perhaps old scores of the year 2001/02?

If this individual wants to continue - please do so under your own name and address and not hide behind a nick and make all forms of allegations!

One should know one's limit.

Even a first year law student would know that the comments posted earlier, the cut & post and allegations contained therein have been ( 2 use this fellas own words in a post many moons ago!) is "extremely prejudicial and unwarranted. its vexatious, slanderous, spurious. it makes a mockery to d good name of" this forum!

It is important to know when to quit.

If you intend to continue - be brave and take off your mask, the nicks, and go in and take on DJG under your own name and address and give him his right to protection within the confines of the law!

I think enough have been said!

I take off my mask - My name is Harjit Singh (Harry) aka 'Topguru'. Many of you have already met me and I will be there again on Friday.

[topguru]

"i've got eyes and ears and hands in so many nooks and corners "

So you claim - and I do hope you have because you may soon need it! :rolleyes:

[topguru]

INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS....

Harjit Singh (Harry) aka Topguru is disturbed at what I heard is happening - I am sure several senior USJ forum runners are already aware of this through sms sent out.

It is unfortunate but perhaps it is the best solution to prevent this community forum being highjacked for a private purpose.

All DJG did was to come to the immediate aid of a helpless, Indonesian Maid 19 who is a devout Muslim!

Since then many more horror reports have come in nationwide to DJG and it is hoped that through the case of Minawati Jatin 19 a wrong against Islam and Muslims will be made right!

For this, Dr. Jacob George has worked hard and instead of helping him or praising him - he is been put thru' a barrage of statements and innuendoes that are "extremely prejudicial and unwarranted. its vexatious, slanderous, spurious. it makes a mockery to d good name of" this forum! (using the joker2107 own words) all because of a past war of words over approach and handling of a consumer issue?

Well, joker2107 - whoever you really are - a banker, an accountant, the man who in the past used a maxis line, the person who has in the past spoken about his problems with Citibank, of receiving a letter of demand from IWK's solicitors Gurmit & Co over a RM528 bill, one who seems to even make comments on the National Housebuyers Association's website ( which again I am told is 'incorrect' from the words of their own Sec-Gen) you joker2107 will get your chance at DJG very very very soon as he has decided to exercise his right under the Malaysian laws!

Perhaps, this thread could be 'sealed off' from allowing individuals to edit or remove any content so far posted in view of interesting developments taking place even as I post this? :cool:

[kwchang]

If you guys have intentions to fight online, then I'd have to open a pisang goreng stall very soon. Please settle this off-line, preferably at a teh-tarik session.

By the way, postings in this forum cannot be edited or deleted after half an hour of posting. Only the Admin can do so.

[topguru]

WELL HE WHO MADE THE CLAIMS WILL NOW BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE...

My dear KW Chang - Bro, it is a pity that you did not move fast enough to stop this as it unfolded very much earlier! :o

We have go thru' this road before - and one should have the hindsight and it is a pity that it has come to this. :(

As I said - perhaps, something good and accountable will come out of this new development which has already being initiated to prevent postings that are "extremely prejudicial and unwarranted. its vexatious, slanderous, spurious. it makes a mockery to d good name of" ( 2 quote him, again!) :rolleyes: this forum!

[monster]

I feel that there's more to the story than what's reported.
Its all $$$$ (or RM and Rupiah). Many of the maid we know look like 19 or 20 but their passport states 25, 26 etc.

Also its the mentality we (some of the employers, not all) have here that maids are to do everything. We even call them "maids" or the chinese "kung-yan", "worker person". It gives an impression they are just slightly better than slaves. I would prefer to call them "house help", which what they are.... helping with the housework, not doing all the housework.

I do employ an Indonesian "maid". She's been with us for 3 years, and so far no problem. My wife and I do keep an eye open, but we treat her like one of the family, they are human after all. Heck, nobody can say we mistreat her as she put on weight since coming here. :rolleyes:
We also take her along when we go makan angin.

[topguru]

POLICE AND HOME MINISTRY OFFICIALS REASSURE DJG THAT JOKER2107 WILL BE TRACKED DOWN!

All Dr. Jacob George & CASSA did was to come to the aid of a 19 year old Muslim Indonesian Maid who was a devout follower of Islam. :)

For this, Dr. Jacob George was put thru' a barrage of statements and innuendoes that are "extremely prejudicial and unwarranted. its vexatious, slanderous, spurious. it makes a mockery to d good name of" this forum! ( highlighted were joker2107 terms in earlier postings) :mad:

4 postings by one who called himself joker2107! :mad:

Today, Police reports were made, statements taken from DJG and copies to be hand delivered to the Home and Internal Security Ministry tomorrow for them to seek the Multimedia Ministry to assist to track down the individual who goes about under the name of joker2107! :cool:

To assist the police, copies of all 330 of his postings have been handed over with their respective IP numbers. :cool:

We will now await the outcome of Police investigations. :cool:

All this was unnecessary & could have been avoided.

This is really sad! :(

Harjit Singh (Harry) aka Topguru ;)

[mackzulkifli]

It's DJG's right to make a police report as he sees fit. Tracking down the particular forum participant would not be too much of a problem either, under usual circumstances.

From my vantage point, it looks like this is a personal issue, which DJG has brought up as an accusation of slander, it has not been proven yet that this is actually a slander. While I do not fault DJG for reporting this matter to the authorities (since it is our right to report any Tom, Dick and Harry for a plethora of perceived wrongdoing), I would seriously consider it more beneficial if the time spent on this was instead used in catching thieves roaming Subang and USJ.

There is no threat to National security here, there is no remarks that bears any racial discrimination that might erupt into bigger issues and the fact still remains that joker2107 has yet to be proven to have made a slanderous remark. It takes quite a decent amount of resource to track an IP and even more to prove that there is slander involved.

Common sense would prevail that the said postings be scrutinised for any potential danger to the community and if no such danger was found, the report will in turn find the rubbish bin. As it should.

This is juvenile.

There are a lot of other issues out there that needs attention, like crime, consumer rights, more police to guard our neighbourhood, an upgraded balai from the current pondok, traffic jams and the list goes on.

[topguru]

Well we will have 2 wait and see wont' we? :cool:

Defamation and Libel laws are quite clear! :)

As far as I am concerned preconceived notions, assumptions and speculation are the mother of all ****ups! :rolleyes:

But, I am certain it would be good for this forum when one takes responsibility for one's posts in a public domain and not consider that wild allegations and libelous statements made behind a nick offers some form of amnesty or diplomatic immunity! ;)

OBI WAN DJG - I cannot but now wonder, who is the hunter and whom the hunted? ;)

[joker2107]

i'm with u mackzulkifli. but b4 that, apologies 2 kwchang if d volumes turned out 2 be like iraq. u've got my assurance. heck, i just banned myself from asking more q's. i'll be at yr stall, but u gotta hv bubuh chacha or funshe tong suay n yauchakwai ... :)

[kwchang]

Aiiii...yah, what is this my dear neighbours? Did I not suggest a teh-tarik pow-wow ? What's all this see-you-in-court business?

I wonder if anyone reads the Rules we have above in the grey banner? I thought Rule 2d is quite clear?

I get this deja-vu feeling all over again. This has happened before... and like the last time, I am developing a headache. ....Oowwwww... :mad: