Bowels problem [Archive] - United Subang Jaya Web Forum

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 09:24 AM

Anyone here having bowels problem ( hard to go to toilet)(pang sai) maybe 1 week u guys or girls goes only 1 time.
If yes i got something u guys or girls might like.
It is a product which is made from fiber (fruits , vegitable..etc ) which helps u to clean up your digestion system (cleanse your intestine). The same theory is apply for all of us .For example why do u shower ? Why do u wash your car , etc? Because it is dirty .The same goes to your intestine .U have to clean it ,but how?
By taking fibers.For more info u guys or girls can pm me.. or we can meet up and i'll explain more about it.

The product name is PHHP fiber.I am selling the starter pack for rm 20 which include 3 packet of fiber and a shacker.For more info about this product
This product also helps to boost loosing weight, but u have to control yr diet as well.It can also help to control yr cholestrol , diabites, and is also good for those who have hemoroid and .....etc for more info ,
u can log on to http://www.phhp.com.my/healthcorner/healthcorner.htm

Those who intrested can pm me or give me a call, if u want to test this product...My location is in subang jaya . hp number 0163406489...tq

pcyeoh

08-03-2005, 09:42 AM

Anyone here having bowels problem ( hard to go to toilet)(pang sai) maybe 1 week u guys or girls goes only 1 time.
For more info u guys or girls can pm me.. or we can meet up and i'll explain more about it.

I am selling the starter pack for rm 20. Those who intrested can pm me or give me a call, if u want to test this product

Wow, the circus has come to town. It is simply amazing and god sent. I am making arrangement with blue hippo to be at the Millennium Park this Sunday morning to do a demonstration on his product saddled on the Bird Bird beak. Meantime, he will have to control his bowel for the rest of the week and you can expect an avalanche of you know what coming out from a hippo. I think I shall also get the Malaysia Book of Records officials to be around too. I was told to apply for not only a police permit but also approval from the Environmental Ministry. By the way, Indah Water has agreed to sponsor this show as they told me that all the advertisements they have put out so far have no effect. They are looking for this big one. By the way, those occupying the ringside seats better come equipped with shields. Oh I forgot, beside bringing your ear plugs, don't forget your nose plugs as well.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 09:46 AM

??? sorry blur abit..cannot sell products here ah..if yes then i'll delete this posting

pcyeoh

08-03-2005, 09:57 AM

Can sell product here if you feel that it will benefit the community. Raymond Tan and Robert have all along selling their expertise on how to prevent unnecessary development, I on dealing with MPSJ on maintanenace issues, Chris on handling big trucks along Jalan Usaha, Goe Gomez and Aroki on how to hantam bureaucracy and sloppy jobs, Tupai on property investment, Orchi on teh tarik and the list goes on. Do not delete your posting. Just don't expand it further and I think KW Chang will give you some leeway. Morever we need something like this as we all got constipation from all the woes that we are facing everyday.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 10:00 AM

ok ok , coz was abit blur with what u stated earlier.. indah water an etc.
actually this product it to cleanse yr body , mainly yr intestine.Its good for health.That i gurentee.

samurai

08-03-2005, 10:11 AM

Quick resolve bowel problem. Drink a cup of prune juice. Available in Giant, carrefour and local usj shops.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 10:19 AM

prune juice is good also, but does it provide u all the fiber , protien , vitamin u need?

cskok8

08-03-2005, 11:15 AM

All the fibers, proteins, vitamins and minerals come from your normal diet (also known as food) that you eat every day. Our intestines are self-cleaning. Do not compare it with toilets and longkangs.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 11:21 AM

yerp true , but izit enuff. A packet of fiber consitst of 29 green apple.Thats only a fruit, mean while vege is abt 5 kilos...so taking 1 packet a week or twice a week is good enuff.

JackRyan1975

08-03-2005, 11:28 AM

This product also helps to boost loosing weight, but u have to control yr diet as well.It can also help to control yr cholestrol , diabites, and is also good for those who have hemoroid

Ayoyo...i never heard of these terms before....maybe my england is very the bad lar...or my read no enough.... :D

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 11:36 AM

hehe speeling error izit....

pcyeoh

08-03-2005, 11:38 AM

Then you should make it a point to be at the Millennium Park for a demo and product presentation. Last time I thought 'hemoroid' is one kind of a asteroid stuck in our large intestines trying to get out.

JackRyan1975

08-03-2005, 11:42 AM

hehe speeling error izit....

Ayoyo...now spelling error, later product error how? i scare wor...

headache

08-03-2005, 11:45 AM

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 11:54 AM

Jaygee

08-03-2005, 12:07 PM

lolz , product no error le..anyway i sold a starter pack to a dr...some of u might know her , Dr julie , her klinik is near the malacca satay celup..Still waiting for her feedback , as i been trying to call her since this morning and she is bz.So later oni i update.
Joe Gomez taking a break so I told him to take Jeff's advise and chill out lah. He said he will do so. Dont bother to scrutinse IP address lah, guys.

Back on the topic now ........
blue_hippo, when we are talking about a condition where "one cannot go", it is nothing short of genius to call the purported solution a "starter pack" lah. This is a good one. You made my day, bro !!!

pc, haemorroids = asteroids trying to come out ??? ROTFLMHO.
You are great lah, tai ko.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 12:14 PM

Back on the topic now ........
blue_hippo, when we are talking about a condition where "one cannot go", it is nothing short of genius to call the purported solution a "starter pack" lah. This is a good one. You made my day, bro !!!

So are u intrested to try it out or?

Jaygee

08-03-2005, 12:35 PM

wow u never say die one ah ?
Bro, I have been told before that my affliction is verbal diarhoea ..... so you want to make my condition worse or what ?
( pc, I had to say it b4 you did lah tai ko !!!!) ;) ;) ;)

blue_hippo, c u at the Millenium Park as suggestd by the tai ko, pc.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 12:40 PM

where izit..i donno where ? :p

sly

08-03-2005, 12:53 PM

wah..very good la....ppl nowadays are willing to try any product in the market...how sure are you it's 100% good and effective as stated? how long have u tried it? 10 years? 20 years? do you know that there's some health product which is alr in the market for ages and until recently only that scientist found/discovered/realised the existence of some substance which is not safe for human consumptions....

CCY

08-03-2005, 12:58 PM

where izit..i donno where ? :p

You surely know that there is a big bird that cannot fly in subang ma..:p

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 12:59 PM

??? donno.....hahhaa

headache

08-03-2005, 01:28 PM

Support Malaysian fruits. Eat papaya to solve your bowel being stucked. Cheap, good, fresh and natural.

aroki

08-03-2005, 01:56 PM

Support Malaysian fruits. Eat papaya to solve your bowel being stucked. Cheap, good, fresh and natural.

Ha!Ha! headache good one. :D cheap also and can plant one in your yard too.No headache cos easy to grow & maintain. :D banana also can do the same.Lots of fiber etc, bottom no ache if you eat papaya or banana.

pcyeoh

08-03-2005, 02:09 PM

Here is some feedback from me which you don't have to pay me consultancy fees.

1. Naming your initial offering as a Starter Pack is inappropriate. Those having this constipation problem would want to end it rather than start it. You should name it "Let it go" pack or even "There is no stopping" pack. "What a feeling" pack is also very appropriate.

2. Naming your customer here if they are not celebrity is not politically correct. No so when they are medical doctor. And don't ever you go near a lawyer and offer him free sample. You will create a side effect called 'sue you' diarrhoea.

3. To headache, this is definitely not a solution for you as your problem is on the end. But I fully agree with you that eating fibrous fruits/food is good but for maintenance only. For a quick fix, you need blue hippo product.

4. To Jaygee, you should know better than anyone of us that for your affliction of verbal diarrhoea, a yellow card administered by our moderator is the most effective cure as shown below your name (as at 1.56pm 8 Mar)

5. But blue hippo, I must admire that you are a dedicated salesman and very passionate about your product as commented by Jaygee when he said "wow u never say die one ah ?" This is again shown when you said you have been trying whole morning to get some feedback from the doctor who is testing your product. I also called up her clinic and her clinic assistant named Cik Kareb (one kind of a name) said that the doctor was very busy in the toilet since morning. The doctor said that she is willing to bear testimony if you can throw to her an antidote to plug her leak. She needs it urgently.

By the way, is the demo still on? People start asking me already.

headache

08-03-2005, 02:30 PM

3. To headache, this is definitely not a solution for you as your problem is on the end. But I fully agree with you that eating fibrous fruits/food is good but for maintenance only. For a quick fix, you need blue hippo product.

But, but, but.... the "begining solves my end", wor.
Summore by planting more fruit trees, it's good for the environment as well as it produced more oxygen at night, right?
:p

Jaygee

08-03-2005, 02:33 PM

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4. To Jaygee, you should know better than anyone of us that for your affliction of verbal diarrhoea, a yellow card administered by our moderator is the most effective cure as shown below your name (as at 1.56pm 8 Mar)

.........
You are right .....a "starter pack" will only make it worse. :D :D :D

totoro

08-03-2005, 02:40 PM

I tried those 'health' (e.g. slimming / detox) tea bags before. They are found also in supermarkets and hypermarkets as well as pharmacies for as cheap as RM10 or less for a pack of 20 I think.

Normally they contain herbs that work as mild laxatives. I believe most of the general slimming products out there will help in solving your potty problems.

Going on a pure fruit diet for a few days is another way to detox.

Jaygee

08-03-2005, 03:27 PM

Why does the tune, " Please release me, let me go." keep playing in my mind?

monster

08-03-2005, 04:01 PM

Quick resolve bowel problem. Drink a cup of prune juice. Available in Giant, carrefour and local usj shops.

Prune juice for Carrefour? wonder if got 8 day gurantee policy and follow receipt? heh heh heh :D

Is the prune juice imported? Then maybe it could be termed as "barang Carrefour" and enjoy a 6 month gurantee.... hahahahaha :D :D

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 05:09 PM

Ic ic , so that what the doc said la to u..

I also called up her clinic and her clinic assistant named Cik Kareb (one kind of a name) said that the doctor was very busy in the toilet since morning. <---is this a sarcastic answer or wat.

admin pls delete this thread

Here is some feedback from me which you don't have to pay me consultancy fees.

1. Naming your initial offering as a Starter Pack is inappropriate. Those having this constipation problem would want to end it rather than start it. You should name it "Let it go" pack or even "There is no stopping" pack. "What a feeling" pack is also very appropriate.

2. Naming your customer here if they are not celebrity is not politically correct. No so when they are medical doctor. And don't ever you go near a lawyer and offer him free sample. You will create a side effect called 'sue you' diarrhoea.

3. To headache, this is definitely not a solution for you as your problem is on the end. But I fully agree with you that eating fibrous fruits/food is good but for maintenance only. For a quick fix, you need blue hippo product.

4. To Jaygee, you should know better than anyone of us that for your affliction of verbal diarrhoea, a yellow card administered by our moderator is the most effective cure as shown below your name (as at 1.56pm 8 Mar)

5. But blue hippo, I must admire that you are a dedicated salesman and very passionate about your product as commented by Jaygee when he said "wow u never say die one ah ?" This is again shown when you said you have been trying whole morning to get some feedback from the doctor who is testing your product. I also called up her clinic and her clinic assistant named Cik Kareb (one kind of a name) said that the doctor was very busy in the toilet since morning. The doctor said that she is willing to bear testimony if you can throw to her an antidote to plug her leak. She needs it urgently.

By the way, is the demo still on? People start asking me already.

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by pcyeoh
Here is some feedback from me which you don't have to pay me consultancy fees.

1. Naming your initial offering as a Starter Pack is inappropriate. Those having this constipation problem would want to end it rather than start it. You should name it "Let it go" pack or even "There is no stopping" pack. "What a feeling" pack is also very appropriate.

i wonder y the term "starter pack " is no appropriate?? can explain more ah...sifus..?

Dont tell me when i intro some a product i'll say , Hi do u want to try this " let it go pack " , there is no stopping pack , what a feeling pack ? In what terms does this introduction apply to?Pls do be sarcastic ...

robertec

08-03-2005, 06:08 PM

I like stumble upon this heap.

Surprised at the lengths you guys will go to extract some inspiration on a slow day.

LMAO

gnehkgnep

08-03-2005, 06:42 PM

gnehkgnep

08-03-2005, 06:45 PM

And yes.....i m rather interested at your product since myself being getting the bowel problem lately.......a lot of angin.......must be due to too much dim sum and loh mai kai...............and the whole night cannot sleep due to farting too much...........any cure for this and the poor doc at that what clinic............. :D

CCY

08-03-2005, 06:55 PM

Blue hippo.......no joke no fun........pc just trying to inject some humor.....and to advise u on some things that cannot do in a public forum........he meant good......

BTW.......any chance for us to watch u in demo........and they said the BIG BIRD Milennium Park.......myself oso donno where......pc......can show the map ar.......... :)

Ah... the Big Bird decide to stay there but the Millenium park flew away ma...to puchong scrapyard where all the kawan is .
It should be Big Bird park or Hippo park ...because I saw a pond meant for a dry hippo leh..

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 07:08 PM

yah .i know...must learn more from pcyeoh...since he is a sales manager..he have more experiance ...i would appreciate and honour to learn from someone who have more knowledge in sales and business.....

i still confused abt the place...

blue_hippo

08-03-2005, 11:27 PM

so pcyeoh, what is the best way to intro the product besides starter pack?

totoro

08-03-2005, 11:58 PM

well, totoro guesses advertising in usj forum is at least better than to stand around in hypermarkets or pasar malam passing flyers or asking passerby's, "hello sir, hello madam, do u have bowel problems?" "yes? u do?" "come, come... let me intro new prod to u, starter pack..." can imagine the large constipated crowd gathering around to view the demo...

but the worst totoro ever seen a salesgirl do, was to ask a lady who was well endowed around the girth, rather bluntly... 'madam, are you pregnant?'... the poor lady quietly replied, 'no......'

aroki

09-03-2005, 12:14 AM

blue hippo you are really confused man, first you fight back, than you ask him to be shifu...LMHO :D :D ..that is what happens when you try to promote something on the forum when technically you can't..but what was worse is pc decided to give you the 101 lesson on the 4ps and his wisdom in sales and after sales follow up(role play)....in this case to the call to doc..LMHO.... :D

and what place are you confuse abt??

pc plse keep going, I was smiling away at my pc in the office and ppl we giving me the funny look.

b.hippo - get some uphamol for the headache..headache u agree..not the starter pack b.hippo..that is for the wrong end and you could really turn blue. :D

just jokinglah b.hippo. :)

blue_hippo

09-03-2005, 08:06 AM

where got fight back....thats y me asking, if starter pack is not what i should call , then what am i supposed to call?

idolfan

09-03-2005, 08:34 AM

Why does the tune, " Please release me, let me go." keep playing in my mind?

I keep hearing ::

" SHOUT!! SHOUT!! LET IT ALL OUT !!! THESE ARE THE THINGS I CAN DO WITHOUT !! Come on !! I'M TALKING TO YOU !!! so COME ON !! "

tears 4 fears

:D

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 09:25 AM

I keep hearing ::

" SHOUT!! SHOUT!! LET IT ALL OUT !!! THESE ARE THE THINGS I CAN DO WITHOUT !! Come on !! I'M TALKING TO YOU !!! so COME ON !! "

tears 4 fears

:D
:D :D :D :D
Good one.
I hear another one now ......"Please help me I'm falling ......."

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 09:32 AM

Also can hear Hindi song ......"KYA KARUN HAAYEH, KUCH NAHIN HOTA HAI .............."
Translation = WHAT SHOULD I DO, NOTHING SEEMS TO BE HAPPENNING

Of course ori version says " KUCH KUCH HOTA HAI."

samurai

09-03-2005, 10:24 AM

I remember once when I was very young I brought a friend from hostel, kena food poisoning. Went to KL Univ., the nurse, stuck a tube (actually a rubber hose) up his,place that never seen the sun, and pore soapy liquid into it. He felt so geli and hold his bowel, ran to the toilet and let the whole tsunami out! Wah! I was laughing like mad.

So this is another cheap way to "release".

Ladies and Gentleman, this is a dangerous thing to do. Please do not do it at home.
Especially with harpic, cholox or "Un-Clog".

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 10:28 AM

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 10:40 AM

Ic ic , so that what the doc said la to u..

I also called up her clinic and her clinic assistant named Cik Kareb (one kind of a name) said that the doctor was very busy in the toilet since morning. <---is this a sarcastic answer or wat.

admin pls delete this thread
Fi uoy daer KAREB ni esrever uoy lliw wonk, eulb_oppih.

Are you still thinking of going to the Bird Park to demo ?

wildbill

09-03-2005, 10:45 AM

For those whole have bowel problem, please try to drink three to five glasses (teh tarik size) of water in the morning immediately after bed. Do not take anything within 30 minutes. If you can't take three glasses in the beginning, start with two and gardually to five. Ultimately, if you can take about 1 litre of water every morning, most of the illness will come to past.

blue_hippo

09-03-2005, 10:47 AM

yah ,,there is another 1 , like a small tube ( of liquid) and insert into the place that never see sun..hahah after a while...tsunami will arive...

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 10:47 AM

KelvC

09-03-2005, 10:58 AM

Just bought a half-cut papaya for 84cents from Carrefour for lunch for the easing effect. Hope it goes well!!!

Wish me luck!!

wildbill

09-03-2005, 10:58 AM

Hi Blue_hippo,

Most of the ppl have bowel prob. was due to not enough water in their system. Please try this method, you will find it is easy to pass motion.

Before I try this, I did used presciptions like what you promote, it help. With this water treament method, it help my pocket in the first place and also do better for my body.

It was common to skip a couple of days to go to the toilet and most of the time find it "hard" to pass motion. My wife was complaining she could smell it even from the garden. :o

Now, I do it at least once if not twise a day with very "smooth flow". :D

gnehkgnep

09-03-2005, 11:03 AM

wildbill

09-03-2005, 11:09 AM

Hi gnehkgnep, ;)

I was indicating after bed in the morning, not before bed at night.

As for me, I do drink two glasses of water an hour before bed if I have heavy dinner, especially those hawker/outside food with MSG. It help my allowing me to sleep throughout the nite without waking up. A good rest definately help.

Of cause, it might not for everybody. Those already have sickness, please consult your physician before doing so.

Jaygee

09-03-2005, 11:12 AM

Just bought a half-cut papaya for 84cents from Carrefour for lunch for the easing effect. Hope it goes well!!!

Wish me luck!!
All the very best, KelvC.
Do I hear another song coming ?.......
" So long ..... farewell ........ auf wiedersehen ...... goodbye ......... "

......and end up cannot sleep the whole night.......maybe spending it inside the toilet........and the next day cannot wake up to work......
Must take after you get up in the morning ....... not b4 u go 2 sleep.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 08:26 AM

admin can u help me lock this thread and then delete .thanks

pcyeoh

10-03-2005, 09:10 AM

Hey blue hippo, this thread is behaving just like your product - people posting here have been constipated for a long time on serious issues like traffic congestion, haphazard development, unwanted foodcourts, contractors who con people, bureaucrats that squandered people money, leaders who botak our green lungs and what not. Since you have created this opportunity with your product introduction, we are all letting this go here. You know, your product works very well in the cyberworld. The very fact that you screamed for help to lock this thread up shows that it is a runaway success. I thought since you started this thread, you are empowered to delete everything here. Try this out and once this is done, I will call off the product demonstration at the Millennium Park.

usjarian

10-03-2005, 09:16 AM

Actually, there are things that guys would not talk about when they chat face to face in the coffee shop/ office break area, etc...Bowel problem is one of them, and i see that there is nothing wrong about having this thread to talk about your experiences and your advices regarding this issue. It is great actually!!

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 09:18 AM

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 09:20 AM

thanks usjrian , this is what iam talking about, giving support , wise talk. This was what i was expecting from u guys to help me learn more.

Joe Gomez

10-03-2005, 09:42 AM

thanks usjrian , this is what iam talking about, giving support , wise talk. This was what i was expecting from u guys to help me learn more.
And sell some "piping de-cloggers" along the way ah ?
Selling is generally discouraged lah, blue_hippo. So I personally am surprised that no forumer has been very hard on you. Just pulling your leg lah.
Pls take all this joking sportingly lah, tuan.

countess

10-03-2005, 09:43 AM

I’ve been reading this topic and I was shocked! Why?

Because I can see that few grown-ups being so sarcastic at something which they think it is not important as preventing unnecessary developments, MPSJ maintenance issues, handling big trucks, hentam bureaucracy etc.

Does H E A L T H mean nothing for you? And H E A L T H Y discussion, as what I can see/read here is lacking.

When I read blue_hippo's first posting I’m thinking of quite the same response as many of you here, but being sarcastic at it does not make a point. As you can see, he is making an understatement and makes it worst when he said that he is selling the fibre product. As many of you here, I think 99% of you HATES salesman, or I can say UNCOMFORTABLE when there are salesmen here trying to sell their product. I wonder why? May I ask, if it’s not an offence, what does the forummers here do for a living? Can I say about 70-80% of you are businessmen??

When your company is still new and just open and your company’s product is not yet well known in the market, what did you do? Did you do sales first? Or you are so lucky that when you first step in, the company already gave you the manager table or the MD post. Perhaps blue_hippo is bold enough to confront malicious forummers here, that most of you feel uncomfortable with that.

Well, upon reading the posts, I make a quick reference about fibre and fictions about you guys post in the topic. About drinking prunes juices and teh tarik and one liter of water can detoxified your system. I stress this again, these are FICTIONS. A fruit juice alone, I mean the juices does not help in your fibre dietary. Don’t you know that prune has a laxative effect?? That is why when you drink the juice you feel the need to go to toilet. Teh tarik!! Man, this is the worst fiction. What is the ingredient of teh tarik? MILK. What is the content of milk?? LACTOSE!!! Should I explain further?

And water, it’s true that when you drink water it helps you to lower down your temperature and help you cleanse your system. How? Can it really works? I mean water alone to cleanse your bowels? I give you one daily routine that has the similarity. What do you use to clean your dishes? Detergent, of course. Can water alone clean your dishes? Detergent will help you to scrub off the residue and water helps to wash it all away. That is the same scenario as in your bowels. It’s true that your digestive system is very efficient at cleaning itself BUT it only will be efficient if you take the sufficient amount of fibre. What is the sufficient amount? 20 to 30 grams per day. As you grew older you will need more fibre as your bowel will become lazy.

Ahh, another thing. Slimming tea!!! Does it contain fibrous ingredients? Or is it again one substance of laxatives. Do the reading!!!! And by the way, it is true that you have to take about 10-15 apples a day and about 5 kilos of vegetables per day to get 20-30grams of fibre. And papaya is not listed in the fibrous fruits. I wonder why?

By the way, have you heard or see the detox machine? I’ve tried it and it works, but unfortunately VERY expensive. Per treatment RM100. Rather than have my body detoxified with a very expensive way, I would appreciate the help of fibre itself. Its natural and does not contradict with your natural bowel movements. I’m not here as an ally of blue_hippo but I’m feeling uncomfortable with sarcastic ppl, and usjarian is right. We seldom and actually avoid talking about constipation in public or even ask our doctor. As our doctor will say EAT A LOT OF FRUITS AND VEGIES. And yet we are not being told how much we should need to take the fibre per day, in the end we have to pay RM45 for the consultation.

And here, when one guy tries to give you the solution, you are trying to ‘vanquish’ him and even worst trying to humiliate him. And there you are talking about communities and better service to communities.

Before I rest my case, to blue_hippo, don’t bother about the negative critics. I was once read about a group of frogs that try to climb up a tower. Every other frogs down below is screaming “You will fail, you will never make it”. One by one fell, but there is only one frog remains. And he manages to reach the top. When other frogs ask him his’ success, they found out that the frog is DEAF and DUMB. Don’t bother if they give you negative response and destructive critics. Good advise is always needed to pursue whatever you are doing now.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 09:48 AM

And sell some "piping de-cloggers" along the way ah ?
Selling is generally discouraged lah, blue_hippo. So I personally am surprised that no forumer has been very hard on you. Just pulling your leg lah.
Pls take all this joking sportingly lah, tuan.

haha thanks for yr " piping de--cloggers" statement. :D

orchipalar

10-03-2005, 09:48 AM

The reason y i ask the admin to delete this thread is because, most of u guy are just joking here and being scarcastic.Not what a matured and grown up should do.If really want to help , give advise , not "perli perli".I am just a kid who wants to learn.

Err...Blue_Hippo:)...here is Orchi's 2 kupangs on this...dear Chang should leave this thread unscratched...remain it should forever in the archive...why?...any growing man n woman in here could learn a lot n reflect from this...n reflect well they would...err...maybe not now...but sooner or later they would for sure... :o

Ahem...there are all kinds of people in this end of the world too...some can't grow up...some refused to grow up...but when in question...they might even fiercely defend n deny thru their teeth or whatever is left of that...they could be matured enough to handle certain situations...but does otherwise :o

Move on blue_hippo with what you believe in...you would soon learn...otherthan your own judgement...nothing else should matter or affect your current endeavors...

Having said that...with your contact numbers in mind...Orchi is certain that should the need arises...there would be those that would enquire from you and offer their support n blessing to your endeavors...good luck :)

countess

10-03-2005, 09:56 AM

And by the way, Im not new in this forum, my countess_w account is not activated and I cant send out replies. So I open a new one. About the pipe-cloggers thingy... the process is called ENEMA which is cleaning or treatment of the bowels by filling them with a liquid through the anus. And this is a one per 3 months treatment and you cant do it everyday. So, what happen after the treatment when you eat everything you want and less fibre intake? Do another treatment which Ive heard is painful?

Just my 2 cents.

Joe Gomez

10-03-2005, 09:57 AM

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:12 AM

countess

10-03-2005, 10:35 AM

joe gomez,

my fault for defending a salesman here. my exact point here is, if it is not appropriate to sell things here, then tell them nicely. Why should sarcasm be in the picture? And instead of let the topic dies, why dont we really talk about fibre and drop the subject of selling products here? Arent that suppose the meaning of this forum? To help the community. And here, you can help the community about their health by giving infos. Not by again and again ask mr. blue_hippo do demo in the Millenium Square. As far as I read this forum, I cant hardly find something to talk about health. As if its not important at all. And Im glad to find at least someone tries to open one, but sadly he is against the forum rule and the moderators does not try to make point of the topic itself, instead try to humiliate the person who opens it because he is trying to sell his product. Why just we take it as sharing the health infos? Perhaps this blue_hippo guy is trying to help out those who has the constipation problems and share his experience but he's doing it wrongly and in wrong place. He's only fault is trying to sell his stuff, but his intention to help those who has this problem is not being considered at all.

Please la....

totoro

10-03-2005, 10:41 AM

joe gomez,

my fault for defending a salesman here. my exact point here is, if it is not appropriate to sell things here, then tell them nicely. Why should sarcasm be in the picture?

Awww, I guess we're just having a bit of harmless fun.

And instead of let the topic dies, why dont we really talk about fibre and drop the subject of selling products here?
I thought the topic was about bowel problems, and not just fibre? And some forumers have been discussing it quite earnestly.

As far as I read this forum, I cant hardly find something to talk about health. As if its not important at all.

Hmm, maybe we can start a new thread to discuss about health. :)

countess

10-03-2005, 10:44 AM

i want to know more about this. coz me and my sister is suffering from bowels problem. and i feel really sad and frustrated when most of the forummers here make fun of this. when finally someone come with a solution, and everybody start to bang him, i feel this is wrong. perhaps we need this info.

and speaking of rules, perhaps you can take a look of the forum rule :

2. Be Civil

1. No attacks, threats, insults, name-calling or inflamed speech for the sake of argument.
2. Posts that are inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, sexually oriented, threatening, rude, mean, nasty, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law are not permitted. Members should contact the moderator/administrator via the report button or through the email and PM system.
3. We expect long-standing ("veteran") members to understand and practice good behaviour and thus lead by example and assist other newer members the appropriate way to use the Forum.
4. Personal arguments must be carried out away from the public discussion forum and dealt with in private. Please use the Private Messaging (PM) and email systems instead.
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p/s : this rule goes second itn he forum. As its indicates that its a second most important rule here.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:44 AM

true ...agree with tototototoro :D

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:52 AM

thanks countess for yr wise and rational support really appreciate it.

Joe Gomez

10-03-2005, 10:52 AM

My bad.....like i mention a few post back , admin can delete this thread , no harm done.I didnt know about that, i crossed the rules and regulation so admin u can take action by deleting this thread .No harm done.
It is a rather thin tight rope you will walk when you broach topics like this.
Everyone will know that you are pushing your product. Then questions of credibility and/or improper use of forum priviledges could be raised.
The insurance guys ( like me ), the MLM guys, the Trust Fund guys & sellers of other products would not look kindly upon what they could perceive as undue advantage taken of this forum despite clear Forum Rules being laid out.
When the topic seems to be getting so "anus" centric, it would be difficult not to draw the conclusion that the initiator of the topic has vested interest in said part of anatomy.
What about the other thingeys regarding the human body that could go awry.
If health is so important .... as it rightly shd be (as pointed out by countess) ............ why not talk of the heart, the liver, the libido, & so on.
Hence if the topic tends to gravitate around the nether regions, one would not be far wrong to conclude that the topic initiator has vested interest in said region. So initiator beware !!

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:54 AM

like what totoro said..y not open new thread about health...

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:57 AM

pcyeoh

10-03-2005, 10:59 AM

Well, I believe an apology is needed here and I would like to apologise to blue hippo for my postings which I don't mean any sarcasm as there is no malice in me. I just got carried away when I first read his posting which to some, sound ticklish. I agree that having fun at somebody's expense is not proper and I don't want to justify what I did in order to end the issue at hand or else one by one rules of the forum start to flash on here. Let the party be over and allow me to be the last person to switch off the lights and go elsewhere. Thank you to all for the good time here while it lasted. By this statement is not meant to be sarcastic either. Bye

countess

10-03-2005, 11:01 AM

ok.. agree that we have one topic about health matter.... why not put it under micro e-communities, under the topic of health... so you can discuss anything to do with health there....

Joe Gomez

10-03-2005, 11:10 AM

...................... I thought the topic was about bowel problems, and not just fibre? And some forumers have been discussing it quite earnestly.
Exactly the point.
When health means health of only one region of the body AND solution means only that one solution in hand, then raising an eyebrow would be the appropriate reaction.

Hmm, maybe we can start a new thread to discuss about health. :)
chang, totoro's comment is worth a look.

Joe Gomez

10-03-2005, 11:25 AM

Joe gomes , u still sound unhappy , y is that? What u want me to do, say sorry..ok i will , To all forumers in usj .com .my I would like to appoligize for bringing this topic up which i had accidently cross the redline to promote and sell a product here . I was not aware of it . Sorry .

Admin if u think this topic is not sutiable in here please take action.Now.thanks :o
Now you sound like a victim lah ?

Hence if the topic tends to gravitate around the nether regions, one would not be far wrong to conclude that the topic initiator has vested interest in said region. So initiator beware !!
Hold your apologies, blue_hippo. I did not ask for it. Just tread carefully.

LIGHTS OUT FOR ME AS WELL FOLKS.
GOOD NITE ... SUE ANN.
GOOD NITE ... MUM.
GOOD NITE .... JO BOB.
GOOD NITE ... POP.

Zimon

10-03-2005, 11:49 AM

Countess,

just joined and looks like you want the role of admin. ah? (post #70)

I am sure jeff and chang knows how to do their job and they have done well, I am sure our members are very much aware of the rules, dont have remind us abt it, that's for the admin guys - have some respect for them pls.

here, sometimes (or most times :D ) all these "lovely" people like to poke some fun....its nothing personal...learn how to laugh with jokes, even if its on you, abt you..... a little fun, homour and laughter doesn't hurt anyone. You will live longer.

for your sisters problem, go to any pharmacy and they will guide you from there, constipation, IBS, flatulance, gastrics, bloating, blah blah blah..
they have all the answers for you.

countess

10-03-2005, 01:36 PM

ok guys, im sorry if i sounded emotional or wutsoever... and mr, zimon, im not trying to be the admin. im doing the same thing you guys are doing when you guys feel the authority didnt do anything about the unnecessary development, big trucks on the road, MPSJ maintenance etc. So here, when somebody mention about the rule, why shouldnt I? well, perhaps blue_hippo can take all the fun and jokes, but when i read it especially the part where you guys want him to do demo while sitting on the big bird at millenium park, its more to insulting. does our culture support harsh statement? does our community need to teach the kid about the harsh language culture?

well perhaps, if you sit at mamak and drink tea and laugh about it, it can turn out to be jokes. but when it comes to writing it, it turns to be humiliation.

pcyeoh, im sorry if i offended in anyway, perhaps its your nature to have jokes and laugh about it. Im sorry!! And mr. zimon, respect gain, when you give one.

no hurt feeling about this guys as we all grown-ups. as for me i do jokes and laugh. its good for 'awet muda' but laugh at someone and making fun of somebody else... hrmmmm... why dont you yourself think about it... its a lie when ppl make a clown out of you and you are ok with it...

totoro

10-03-2005, 01:50 PM

well, perhaps blue_hippo can take all the fun and jokes, but when i read it especially the part where you guys want him to do demo while sitting on the big bird at millenium park, its more to insulting. does our culture support harsh statement? does our community need to teach the kid about the harsh language culture?

but... we're talking about a blue hyppo... hence the zoo poke-in-the-rib... and when you mix blue hyppos with bowel problems... oh God...

http://star.bluehyppo.com/img/019.jpg

no hurt feeling about this guys as we all grown-ups. as for me i do jokes and laugh. its good for 'awet muda' but laugh at someone and making fun of somebody else... hrmmmm... why dont you yourself think about it... its a lie when ppl make a clown out of you and you are ok with it...

i think blue_hippo was sporting enough about it, and since everything is fine and dandy, why not let it go at that?

- Totoro a.k.a. tua-pui (not tupai)

http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/totoro/totoro2.gif

countess

10-03-2005, 02:03 PM

totoro.... i get your point there... sorry guys.....

Zimon

10-03-2005, 02:17 PM

err, totoro, since you mentioned abt tupai in your last post here, and havent seen tupai wagging his tail in the last few days, just wanted tupai to know they actually name a road after him, yes they have a road in Taiping named "Jalan Tupai" - (soorry - have to put this slot here, could find a suitable appropriate one lah )

wildbill

10-03-2005, 03:32 PM

The reason y i ask the admin to delete this thread is because, most of u guy are just joking here and being scarcastic.Not what a matured and grown up should do.If really want to help , give advise , not "perli perli".I am just a kid who wants to learn. :D

I am serious when I recommend the "water treatment" for the bowel problem.

The wonderful thing about this forum is everybody can chip-in to make this forum a better place. You have your idea and I have mine, nobody is better except from the "eye of reader". If you idea wouldn't work, done lah say we are in-matured. In this case, who is the one in-matured here? :rolleyes:

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 04:12 PM

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 04:19 PM

I am serious when I recommend the "water treatment" for the bowel problem.

The wonderful thing about this forum is everybody can chip-in to make this forum a better place. You have your idea and I have mine, nobody is better except from the "eye of reader". If you idea wouldn't work, done lah say we are in-matured. In this case, who is the one in-matured here? :rolleyes:
I can attest to the "water solution" its works for me as well.
Dear countess, i read that you're suffering from slow bowel movement, have you tried the water method, if not its not fair to deemed the method FICTION as it works for so many people. I don't know about the source of your "facts" when you compared washing dishes with detergent to our bowel and intestines. I hope you realise that the posting of cskok is from a Dr. CS Kok, a registered medical practioner, he didn't spend 8 years of medical school to make random statement like that. Humans being an organic living matter is different from plates and forks, we need good bacteria in our intestines to keep us healthy. That's why we can find products like vitagen in the shelves. Cleaning your bowel like you clean dishes will kill you faster than HIV, that's why drinking chlorox, even in the mildest solution is carcinogenic, its cleans thoroughly.

We are all learning in this forum but the manner in which you have made your grand entrance is truly over dramatic. Pls compose yourself before you shoot everyone blindly.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 04:25 PM

but she didnt say that water didnt work right? did she?

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 04:30 PM

anyway she did say sorry , y want to bring it up again.sighh

wildbill

10-03-2005, 04:43 PM

Hi Blue-Hippo,

Look like you are the one get mad here. Try to sell something here and almost get a yellow card, got bombarded by others and now try to "bodek" countess to form gang here. Sudah lah.

Pet=Friend, :D , some just can't understand here. Everyone can contribute their idea but is up to others whether to accept or not. At the end, the lost is their not us. Some just though by paying only can solve their problem.

Just remember, all roads leads to Rome. The question is, which one is the easy and less painful to the pocket, in this case.

I am sure drink more water will help, eat more fruit will help, take less meaty food will help, hundred of similar products in the market if you take them, it will also help. Nobody is talking nosense and all are right.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 05:03 PM

Zimon

10-03-2005, 05:05 PM

what wildbill and pet=friends said abt the water treatment is true, there are grounds for it.

water forms a very large part of our body..(No, i am no bio teacher) well at least our bodycells needs them. when our body feels that there is a lack of water, they react by "draining" the water required from the large intestines and by doing so, the faeces will become dryer and harder. Prolong situation like this will lead to chronic constipation and pro prolong will cause many secondary problems. By drinking water, say 7 glasses in the morning, you ensure sufficient supply in the small intestine to the large intestine right up to the "opening gates"

Water doesnt detox the body, it merely helps the faeces moves smoothly and of course if you take fruits and veges and some to the extend of probiotics (especially a course of antibiotics), yes it helps...
but if you want to detox your colon.......(haaa, that's another story and its not approprite for this thread.

As they say you can go on without food for weeks, try going without water and see how long you last....

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 05:07 PM

true......

CCY

10-03-2005, 05:12 PM

Hahah look , someone getting mad ..u see, the only reason u can come up with is , product ... say that i cant sell the product here. I dont really mind if i dont sell the product. This is what business world all about .In every success there is a failure. Some people just dont feel ashame fighting with a small kid..how immature.How old are u my friend..? Got kids?? Fyi i am only 19, so dont u feel ashame ?

Forming a gang in a forum, ah please.....this normally is used by small kidos...

Even some forumers call me up and just tell me to ignore those immatured people.Well thats what i am gonna do.Cheers :)

Oh yea ... welcome to the mature world then . Get real now . It looks like you are being prod and reacted that way . Is it not a weakness ?

wildbill

10-03-2005, 05:12 PM

Hi Blue-Hippo,

OK, but don't come home crying if you can't sell your product else no milk for you tonite. :rolleyes:

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 05:14 PM

nah no prob dude..... :) cheers

wildbill

10-03-2005, 05:16 PM

That's my boy, keep up the spirit and one day you will be alright.

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 05:20 PM

Well, upon reading the posts, I make a quick reference about fibre and fictions about you guys post in the topic. About drinking prunes juices and teh tarik and one liter of water can detoxified your system. I stress this again, these are FICTIONS. A fruit juice alone, I mean the juices does not help in your fibre dietary. Don’t you know that prune has a laxative effect?? That is why when you drink the juice you feel the need to go to toilet. Teh tarik!! Man, this is the worst fiction. What is the ingredient of teh tarik? MILK. What is the content of milk?? LACTOSE!!! Should I explain further?

And water, it’s true that when you drink water it helps you to lower down your temperature and help you cleanse your system. How? Can it really works? I mean water alone to cleanse your bowels? I give you one daily routine that has the similarity. What do you use to clean your dishes? Detergent, of course. Can water alone clean your dishes? Detergent will help you to scrub off the residue and water helps to wash it all away. That is the same scenario as in your bowels. It’s true that your digestive system is very efficient at cleaning itself BUT it only will be efficient if you take the sufficient amount of fibre. What is the sufficient amount? 20 to 30 grams per day. As you grew older you will need more fibre as your bowel will become lazy.

but she didnt say that water didnt work right? did she?

Dunno why I even bother but here is the requested statement. Even though I'm from sekolah kebangsaan, i still know the meaning of FICTION and FACT.
Izzit because she came to your defense, you feel duty bound to do the same?
Mine 2 kupang to you, pls check your facts first before putting anything in black and white, sigh.....

anyway she did say sorry , y want to bring it up again.sighh
Its true, her actions in giving a swift apology is very admirable but I did not highlight the matter to flame countess, as she feels so strongly about fiber, so do i about water. In any given time if she can produce any scientific evidence to back up her claim that water is useless to detoxify our body, be my guest. If you want a health thread, be prepare to have people disagree with you. After all, we did agree to disagree, if you catch my meaning.

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 05:33 PM

lari topic a bit....pet=friend i click at yr webby below..and it abt rabbits...anyway just want to ask u , izit good if we bath our rabbit once a week?

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 05:41 PM

Water doesnt detox the body, it merely helps the faeces moves smoothly and of course if you take fruits and veges and some to the extend of probiotics (especially a course of antibiotics), yes it helps...
but if you want to detox your colon.......(haaa, that's another story and its not approprite for this thread.

As they say you can go on without food for weeks, try going without water and see how long you last....

I'm gonna do my bio teacher proud, sigh....when i got my C6 in biology for SPM, my teacher told me to drop biology in form 6 and take up accounts instead.

Detoxification is a process to rid your body of toxin build-up. Toxin build-up begins when food does not pass through the body quickly enough, rotten food in the form of faeces provides a conducive environment for the development of bad bacteria aka toxin. If water can help with the elimination of feaces, i believe it serves to detoxify the body.

Dear Zimon, "pro" and "anti" are totally different in meaning. If i would to refer you as a person who's pro-government, will it be right to say you also anti-government? NO. :)

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 05:53 PM

So when the toxic in yr body and not to be released, u will tend to feel tired, stomach pain , etc...

Zimon

10-03-2005, 05:58 PM

Dear Zimon, "pro" and "anti" are totally different in meaning. If i would to refer you as a person who's pro-government, will it be right to say you also anti-government? NO. :)

Errr, pets=friend, forgive me, i am puzzled on the above question. I dont recall anything i said about pro or anti..pls elaborate.

Zimon

10-03-2005, 06:07 PM

CK One

10-03-2005, 06:08 PM

Hahah look , someone getting mad ..u see, the only reason u can come up with is , product ... say that i cant sell the product here. I dont really mind if i dont sell the product. This is what business world all about .In every success there is a failure. Some people just dont feel ashame fighting with a small kid..how immature.How old are u my friend..? Got kids?? Fyi i am only 19, so dont u feel ashame ?

Forming a gang in a forum, ah please.....this normally is used by small kidos...

Even some forumers call me up and just tell me to ignore those immatured people.Well thats what i am gonna do.Cheers :)

Blue Hippo. You are absolutely right and the forumers who called you to ask you to ignore immatured people were absolutely right as well. You have the absolute right to speak. Of course, they have the absolute right to be immatured. Forgive them because sometimes it is very difficult for certain people to be matured!

:)

sly

10-03-2005, 06:09 PM

the is thread is funny la...blue hippo...wow..ur only 19 and you're doing business....good for you...tai pa chin tou.... :D

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 06:15 PM

In every success there is a failure. Some people just dont feel ashame fighting with a small kid..how immature.How old are u my friend..? Got kids?? Fyi i am only 19, so dont u feel ashame ?Even some forumers call me up and just tell me to ignore those immatured people.Well thats what i am gonna do.Cheers :)

Ok if you go to a restaurant in Taipan called FlaminJ and ask to speak to Jason the owner, tell him you're from usj.com.my and that pcyeoh is your good friend. Be humble and ask to hear his life story, of how he struggle from a tender age to what he's achieve today. And then come back to relate to us what you've learned. You'll be very surprise to learn the level of maturity a person needs to show in order to succeed and age does not correlate with maturity.

CK One

10-03-2005, 06:20 PM

Pets. I do not quite understand what you meant. Please explain and elaborate. Thank you.

sly

10-03-2005, 06:24 PM

we're all here to communicate and learn and make mistakes and learn again...what's the benefit to pounce on each other...

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 06:26 PM

Errr, pets = friends, your mentioned about government..thats where you put me offfffffff...sorry.

Antibiotic is something you take when you have an infection in your body..becos they kill and destroy all bacteria in your system, they cant differentiate good and bad bacteria, yes there are good guys and bad guys in our system. After a course of antibiotic, your faeces normally becomes very much softer, sometimes loose thats becos the good bacteria is killed and not there to help with the (simply put as) "treatment"....thats when we need probiotic, these are good bacteria, lactobacillus etc to keep our intestines healthy again..... Now i sound like a biology teacher...!!!

Aiyo, what pro-government and anti lah, you scare me lah

Hi Zimon, didn't mean to step onto your toes but I was just giving an example of how the "pro" and "anti" word are opposite in meaning. I hope you're not too entirely put off because "put off" is a very strong word to use, normally i would use it to cari gaduh with someone.

Since I'm not a registered doctor, I'm in no position to refute what you said about antibiotics and bowel movement but from my own experience, I cannot say the same about antibiotics having the laxative effect, maybe its just me.

Pets=Friends

10-03-2005, 06:41 PM

Pets. I do not quite understand what you meant. Please explain and elaborate. Thank you.

Maybe this generation has gone soft but traditions like orientation or induction programmes or some calls it ragging serves a purpose to toughen up any new recruit so they will fit in better with the rest of the team or faculty. During my uni days, seniors would put us through some very humiliating experiences. To us everything is taken with stride, a new learning experience especially so in facing difficult situation. Survivors like us continue to build a very strong bond with the same seniors and that kind of friendship last until today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you cannot even face a barrage of sarcasm in a public forum in a dignified fashion, your identity hidden, what chance do you think you have succeeding in this great big world. Again, I'm not trying to flame or pounce, blue_hippo pls don't take this in a wrong way, I'm only making a generalized statement.

Zimon

10-03-2005, 09:43 PM

Pets=friends,
when i say you put me offfff, i meant you put me off track...and i dont meant it in any other way.... (please dont be too sensitive !) :)
there i was talking about antibiotic and probiotic, then you ask me abt pro-government and anti- government, of course you got me off track..... :confused:

I guessed you dont understand me or what i said, if you think I am rude, then I apologise....but i like to suggest that you find out all there is to know about antibiotic and probiotic, then read thru again the post, before you go any further. you may want to try "google".

someone one out there, please care to explain to her.
thank you, dunco, domo arigato, xie xie, nandri, terima kasih ;)

EdRoZeN

10-03-2005, 10:32 PM

come on la blue hippo.. this is a forum.. not your average place to place your advertisements.... you making use of this space really makes people sick.

Ed

blue_hippo

10-03-2005, 10:42 PM

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=3400

kwchang

11-03-2005, 12:14 AM

My goodness !!
What a load of stuff over a few days !?!

OK, just let me tell you folks that I was away. Went for a company workshop from Sunday evening till yesterday. I did get online for 2 half-hour periods from a cybercafe just to check my email and see if everything is fine on the Forum. In the meantime I did request Jeff to babysit you people - and 2 of you got banned for a few days. Tsk,tsk,tsk.

When I got back, the amount of stuff on the Forum was mind-boggling. I had to pick the threads I thought ought to be checked. Didn't know "bowel problems" carried an advert.

Now, after 8 pages of banter, it is impossible to remove this thread. I will allow that first hyperlink as it isn't much of an advert in my opinion. Defeats the point in removing it now that almost everyone had looked to this thread.

I am glad to note that you people did apologise when asked. I am also glad that there were no flames. I am glad everyone finally read the rules. By the way, the rules do not have any order of importance. All of them apply regardless.

As for the link blue-hippo made to hint at another advert - no, my friend, we did not consider it an advert as it was meant to be an advisory. That was how I was made to understand it to be when it first started. Similarly, despite what bluehippo confessed that this thread was originally meant to be an advert., it had developed to some form of shared advisory - altho I can say some of you got the facts wrong. I have no time to put my points across right now.

Please note - in future, please help me by messaging me (PM) about adverts and any rule violations. In this case I missed it at the beginning as I did not read the thread.

I will start a forum on health soon as requested. Thanks

countess

11-03-2005, 01:10 AM

what wildbill and pet=friends said abt the water treatment is true, there are grounds for it.

Water doesnt detox the body, it merely helps the faeces moves smoothly and of course if you take fruits and veges and some to the extend of probiotics (especially a course of antibiotics), yes it helps...
but if you want to detox your colon.......(haaa, that's another story and its not approprite for this thread.

As they say you can go on without food for weeks, try going without water and see how long you last....

my mistake i overlook the water as one way to detoxify your body. but actually i already corrected it when i explain about ENEMA, the injection of liquid into the rectum through the anus for cleansing, for stimulating evacuation of the bowels, or for other therapeutic or diagnostic purposes. my friend has undergo this process and he has to clean it everyday for one week. and he has to be vegetarian for another one week to ensure the bowel is clean and has the good bacteria. Caution, when u do enema, all the good bacteria in your bowel will be flushed out. that is why u need to be vegetarian to gain back the bacteria.

after this major detox, you have to do maintenance. dont tell me you are going to do this process every 3 months. and like what pets=friend said, you will die faster than hiv. then how you can do the maintenance? that is where fibre come into the picture. ok, im not promoting fibre but since somebody started it, i just add more info about that. wah, dont expect me to explain EVERYTHING from a-z. i thought everybody here can do the reading yourself.

i dont need to post in facts as the facts are all lying in front of you. whats the use of internets? somebody will say that internet can cheat you. what if 99% telling the same thing? if you still unsure, go to medical doctor. but please, dont go to the doctor that bias to their product or their treatment (if they have one). Go to the medical researcher, much better.

ok, i will try to give one fact about maintaning your bowel after major detox.

10 Ways to Help Your Body Detoxify

After a detoxification program, you can cleanse your body daily through diet, supplements and lifestyle practices.

1. Eat plenty of fiber, including brown rice and organically-grown fresh fruits and vegetables. Beets, radishes, artichokes, cabbage, broccoli, spirulina, chlorella, and seaweed are excellent detoxifying foods.

2. Cleanse and protect the liver by taking herbs such as dandelion root, burdock and milk thistle, and drinking green tea.

3. Take vitamin C, which helps the body produce glutathione, a liver compound that drives away toxins.

4. Drink at least 2 quarts of water daily.

5. Breathe deeply to allow oxygen to circulate more completely through your system.

6. Transform stress by emphasizing positive emotions.

7. Practice hydrotherapy by taking a very hot shower for five minutes, allowing the water to run on your back. Follow with cold water for 30 seconds. Do this three times, and then get into bed for 30 minutes.

8. Sweat in a sauna so your body can eliminate wastes through perspiration.

9. Dry-brush your skin to remove toxins through your pores. Special brushes are available at natural products stores.

Finally, 10. What is the most important way to detoxify? "Exercise," says Bennett. "Yoga or jump-roping are good. One hour every day."

im glad, finally we have a healthy discussion in a health section. cheers!!

CK One

11-03-2005, 07:44 AM

Maybe this generation has gone soft but traditions like orientation or induction programmes or some calls it ragging serves a purpose to toughen up any new recruit so they will fit in better with the rest of the team or faculty. During my uni days, seniors would put us through some very humiliating experiences. To us everything is taken with stride, a new learning experience especially so in facing difficult situation. Survivors like us continue to build a very strong bond with the same seniors and that kind of friendship last until today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you cannot even face a barrage of sarcasm in a public forum in a dignified fashion, your identity hidden, what chance do you think you have succeeding in this great big world. Again, I'm not trying to flame or pounce, blue_hippo pls don't take this in a wrong way, I'm only making a generalized statement.

Thank you for the explanation. Personally I do not see anything wrong with Blue Hippo's comments. In fact, I think he stood up very well against the barrage of comments - veiled or otherwise. And personally I do not see any difference between what we used to be and what young people are now. Orientation, induction or ragging served to toughen up young people? I beg to differ. Many half-baked oreintation, induction and ragging 'programmes' served to humiliate and de-humanise young freshies and their intention was to take a piss at the world in general. Blue Hippo. Well done and keep up your quest into business venture. I wish I have your guts when I was 19.

Zimon

11-03-2005, 08:12 AM

Caution, when u do enema, all the good bacteria in your bowel will be flushed out. that is why u need to be vegetarian to gain back the bacteria.

This is news to me, please let me know your source, sure like to know the mechanics of this.

Pets=Friends

11-03-2005, 09:09 AM

Zimon, glad we're not pitted against each other, no harm done. Was just checking if you feel antagonize with what i've written. Maybe I used the wrong example and got you off track. I would appreciate if you can post some links to what you've comment about antiobiotics and probiotic, you are right of course i don't much but would definately love to read more about it.

Countess, thank you for coming up with a list of suggestions. I do most of the things that are mentioned, so i'm glad we have something in common besides troublesome bowel movement....lol.

Blue_hippo, i think you're a nice guy that got caught under the wrong circumstances. I was sincere when i mentioned you should pay a visit to Jason. You can learned a lot from his experiences. You wrote that you wanted pointers, i just pointed you the direction. By the way, Millennium Park is near the Metropolitan roundabout, in that park there's a big bronze coloured bird. The next time you drive by, i hope you can think back and smile at what we said.

CK One, i think you can agree with me when i say that success do not come for those who are weak hearted. Its true that not everyone matures at the same time and its also true that nowadays some youngsters have manipulate "ragging" into a party for violence. Times are different, people have evolved according to times. Do you read about children hacking parents to death ten years ago, I don't. You are talking about orientation in this age and time, I was refering to the good ole days. Ok I'll stop being an ole geezer now.

countess

11-03-2005, 09:22 AM

This is news to me, please let me know your source, sure like to know the mechanics of this.

My sources are those clinics that offers bowel cleaning using this process. I've asked few clinics and the respond is the same. And my friend who has done this telling me the same thing. Im not the person who buta-buta believe in a single source. Before I do something, I will find few answers and make sure Im comfortable with it. If I'm wrong in this matter, pls verify me. Coz Im planning to do it. If you reluctant to go clinics and ask about it, try to have a gist of it here :

http://www.edinburghcolonics.com/faq.htm#wash

I'll explain a bit. When you do enema, you flushed all the faeces in your colon. And few of the good bacteria will be flushed as well. After the flushing, your colon is clean and good bacteria need this clean environment to grow. In order for these good bacteria to grow and multiply, you need to take Acidophilus/Bifidonate, the doctor will subscribe this for you. So, in order for these bacteria to grow, you have to berpuasa a bit, by being vegetarian and after a week, you can eat like u normally do.

countess

11-03-2005, 09:52 AM

I think this maybe useful for those who is still got no idea what it is and what are we trying to discuss here. Something to share.

Constipation

Constipation can be defined as changes in the frequency, volume, weight, consistency and ease of passage of the stool. It may be associated with the occurrence of dry, hard and/or small stools, infrequent stools, stools that are difficult to expel, or sensation of incomplete evacuation.(i) A survey performed in the UK indicated that 10% of adults reported constipation in the preceding 2 weeks.(ii) There is also some evidence that constipation is more frequent in incapacitated or institutionalised older people. One study found 42% of patients admitted to geriatric wards were diagnosed as constipated.(iii)

Importance of fluid intake

Inadequate fluid intake is thought to be one of the most frequent causes of chronic constipation. Klauser et al(iv) tested this hypothesis and found that a relatively short period of fluid deprivation decreased stool frequency and stool weight in healthy volunteers. They concluded that low fluid intake was one of the factors responsible for the development of chronic constipation in some patients and that such individuals should be encouraged to drink more to correct the fluid deficit.

Sanjoaquin et al(v) investigated the relationship between nutritional and lifestyle factors and bowel movement frequency as part of the large EPIC-Oxford cohort study. The mean number of bowel movements per week was 9.9 for men and 8.6 for women. 93% of men and 83% of women reported having daily bowel movements. There was a steady increase in the mean number of bowel movements per week with increasing intake of water and juices for both men and women. Higher fluid intake also increased the odds of having daily bowel movements compared with the lowest fluid intake category. In addition to fluid intake, other factors found to be strongly associated with the frequency of bowel movements in this study were dietary fibre intake, vegetarian or vegan diet and vigorous exercise.

A separate study involving patients with chronic functional constipation showed that the beneficial effects on stool frequency arising from a daily fibre intake of 25g could be significantly enhanced by increasing fluid intake to 1.5-2 litres per day.(vi) This study showed that additional water intake is beneficial in increasing stool frequency in those individuals who are already constipated.

Although extra fluid intake is often recommended to alleviate symptoms of constipation, a separate study of normal, healthy volunteers found that additional fluid intake did not result in a significant change in stool output.(vii) Chung et al found that although dehydration reduces stool frequency and weight in healthy volunteers, additional fluids given to healthy, adequately hydrated, individuals who were already not constipated, had no effect on stool frequency.

to be continued....

countess

11-03-2005, 09:53 AM

Children

In children, stool frequency varies with age. There is a general decrease from more than 4 stools per day during the first week of life, to 1.2 stools per day at the age of 4 years, at which time an adult pattern of bowel movement is established. Constipation is three times more common in prepubertal boys than girls, but this ratio reverses in adolescence. Chronic constipation is a very common complaint in childhood. Estimates range from 3-8% of the paediatric population. Inadequate fluid intake or excessive fluid loss from diarrhoea, vomiting or febrile illness may lead to hardening of the stool and are important causes of constipation, especially in infants. In addition, children may be susceptible if they neglect the urge to defaecate because it interferes with activities such as playing, and this may promote impaction. For simple constipation, behavioural training and dietary changes such as an increased fluid and fibre intake are recommended.(i)

Young et al(viii) noted that the effects of fluid intake on constipation have never been fully studied. They therefore investigated 90 euhydrated children aged 2-12 years and found that a 50% increase in water intake had no effect on daily stool frequency, consistency and difficulty with passage. This suggests that increased fluid intake is not beneficial in treating adequately hydrated children with constipation. They propose that increased fluid consumption should not be recommended unless history suggests a lower-than-normal fluid intake for the childâ€™s age and activity level. However, the absence of tools to adequately assess hydration status in children hampers the ability to determine the effects of minor modifications in liquid intake on stool consistency in constipated children.

Conclusions

Although increasing fluid intake for euhydrated individuals does not appear to be beneficial in treating constipation, it is clear that dehydration of the colonic contents will harden stool consistency and increase constipation. In adults and elderly subjects, such dehydration may be due to poor intake of water, or excessive loss of fluid and electrolytes from the body during illness, eg vomiting, high sweating rates or from renal disease. In children, inadequate fluid intake, diarrhoea, febrile illness and neglecting the urge to defaecate may be important causative factors. Arnaud noted the importance of maintaining euhydration in order to help prevent constipation. Increasing water intake may be effective in children only when voluntary fluid consumption is lower-than-normal for the childâ€™s age and activity level. In addition, he highlights the need for a noninvasive and accurate test of hydration status to better demonstrate the specific role of hydration as a preventative measure.(i)

The prevention of constipation is also important in relation to healthy lifestyles because it has been identified as a risk factor for colorectal cancer.

*euhydrated = hypohydrated (need a doctor to explain this)

sly

11-03-2005, 11:10 AM

wow..i learn so much today...good work guys...thanks... :)

totoro

11-03-2005, 11:17 AM

hi countess,

when sharing info from the net, it is enough to post the url, e.g. http://www.water.org.uk/home/resources-and-links/water-for-health/ask-about/constipation

instead of cut and pasting the whole article (and not quoting the source, tsk tsk)

that way we can save some space in the forum for the original thoughts and opinions (from the horse's mouth)

cheers!

Totoro
high-archduke-of-neverland

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 11:27 AM

wow..i learn so much today...good work guys...thanks...

Err...Sly:)...OK here is Orchi additional 2 kupangs in here...which is why Orchi suggested that this thread should remain unscratched...people can learn a whole lot from just this ONE thread topic...initiated by Blue_Hippo...err...innocently:)

cskok8

11-03-2005, 11:35 AM

I have nothing to sell, just some free advice to give (you can take it or leave it). As I have posted earlier, our intestines are self cleaning. The cells lining it are shed off every few days, taking with it whatever bacteria, toxins, fibers, seeds plus various assorted *hit.

All these talk about toxins, detoxification, antibiotics, probiotics, colonic washout etc are by people who want to sell some product or service. Our liver and kidneys are capable of removing almost all harmful substances that we are likely to come across (unless you decide to take rat poison, Agent Orange or something similar). There are always bacteria in our large intestines, some useful, some not useful (but not harmful either) and a very small number harmful if it gets into the body. It is not possible to remove all bacteria with whatever method (except cremation). The remaining bacteria with just multiply to repopulate the intestines.

So-called colontherapy is a potentially dangerous procedure. A tube is shoved up your a**hole and solution poured in to induce bowel movement. It is possible to rupture the intestine if excessive pressure is used. And as I said earlier, it is absolutely unnecessary as the intestines are self cleaning.

Sellers of the above products / services always use a similar sales line. We are living in an environment that is increasingly unhealthy, with pollution, use of preservatives and chemicals etc. Now people are suffering from more chronic diseases such as diabetes, heart problems, cancers etc. So therefore we need to detoxify, washout our gut, use special "energy" water etc. They also imply that anything natural/organic is safe.

My answer to that is we are actually living longer compared to 100 years ago. Then the life expectancy is 40+ only. At present it is close to 80. That alone would account for the higher incidence of chronic diseases which usually occurs in older people. Then many children used to die from diarrhoea, measles, diphtheria, smallpox and other communicable diseases (the bacteria causing these diseases by the way are "natural/organic"). I am sure those of you in your 60s to 70s will have a brother/sister/cousin who have died in childhood (ask your parents if you are younger).

Of course diseases like diabetes and heart diseases are increasing because of a diet too rich in fat and carbohydrates so moderation is in order.

I think thats all I have for the free stuff. When I have a product to sell I will put it in the ad section.

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 11:44 AM

As I have posted earlier, our intestines are self cleaning. The cells lining it are shed off every few days, taking with it whatever bacteria, toxins, fibers, seeds plus various assorted *hit.

And as I said earlier, it is absolutely unnecessary as the intestines are self cleaning.

Err...Dear CSKok:)...hi doc...TQ for your free advise...what could happen when there is a problem or a lacking to the otherwise normal functions of the intestines?... :confused:

countess

11-03-2005, 11:59 AM

erk... sorry guys if i posted the whole thingy here. sometimes ppl just so lazy to go and browse hte thingy in other website. my intention is to help those lazy ppl. hehehe :D

Thanks doctor for your advise. same as orchi, i have some questions as well, for an adult, how many times should we go to toilet per day? is it normal if we dont go toilet for a 3 days straight? if this scenario occurs, does drinking a lot of water helps? coz my sis having this problem, and she's been drinking water about more than 2 litre per day, as nowadays its getting hotter. But yet, she still have to wait, sometimes 4 days to go past motion. What is your suggestion if this occur? We've been to clinics, and they suggest we take fibres. A lot of fibres. What do you think?

cskok8

11-03-2005, 12:10 PM

There is no "normal" frequency for going to toilet (for big job). If you have been going twice a day then that is your normal. If somebody else goes once in 3 days that is his normal. If the pattern changes suddenly then it is a cause for concern. Other danger signs are passing blood/mucus in the motion and pain while passing motion.

With age the intestinal muscles becomes a little weaker (like the rest of our body), so interval between bowel movements may increase and stool become harder (stay longer = more water absorbed). Note: no toxins are absorbed.

Unfortunately there is no Viagra for the intestine.

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 12:20 PM

With age the intestinal muscles becomes a little weaker (like the rest of our body), so interval between bowel movements may increase and stool become harder (stay longer = more water absorbed). Note: no toxins are absorbed.

Unfortunately there is no Viagra for the intestine.

Err...thanks again CSKok:) for the valuable infos...again in your professional opinion...what can you suggest to people having 'weaker' intestines or those that is having some problem passing motion to maintain a 'normal' interval?...besides a well balanced normal diet of fruits n vegetables...what would be the best or quicker option to ease the problem?...TQ :)

countess

11-03-2005, 12:21 PM

owh, ok... meaning if somebody take 1 week to past motion is also considered normal? is our intestine very long to sustain whatever we eat within that one week? what if this scenario does not occur when you are young, but as you grew older the period of you to past motion becomes longer? how can a person being considered as having constipation?

sorry if i ask to many questions. but i need to know. coz i can see there are many clashing facts here.

countess

11-03-2005, 02:36 PM

there's already a health section under micro e-community.....

mr. moderator if its not a big task for you, can you move this thread. deggi fever, diabetes stroke & paralysis and beauty & you to the health section???

thank you mr moderator, and sorry if its troubles you...

blue_hippo

11-03-2005, 03:25 PM

Thank you for the explanation. Personally I do not see anything wrong with Blue Hippo's comments. In fact, I think he stood up very well against the barrage of comments - veiled or otherwise. And personally I do not see any difference between what we used to be and what young people are now. Orientation, induction or ragging served to toughen up young people? I beg to differ. Many half-baked oreintation, induction and ragging 'programmes' served to humiliate and de-humanise young freshies and their intention was to take a piss at the world in general. Blue Hippo. Well done and keep up your quest into business venture. I wish I have your guts when I was 19.

Thanks for your support and advise Mr.Ck one. :D

blue_hippo

11-03-2005, 03:28 PM

here is another about detox

DETOX DIET PLAN

Start the detox diet in the morning by drinking 1 pint or half litre of bottled water within 30 minutes of waking.

Have a light breakfast of high-fibre cereal, either muesli, shredded wheat or all bran** followed by a small piece of fruit or glass of fruit juice. -- if you never eat cereal you may have brown bread (toasted if preferred) with a low fat spread and one boiled egg again with fruit juice.

After breakfast keep drinking bottled water, this is where you need to remember to drink plenty.* Try to drink about half-litre every hour or preferably three-quarters every hour. If you keep drinking this amount for a few hours of the day you'll notice the need to excrete will become regular, the passing will also become clearer during the day. This is simply because you are drinking more than required but this is necessary to enable your kidneys to flush out the waste products.

At some point during the day make time to do some type of activity, maybe a walk or some type of light exercise for at least half-hour, again remember to keep drinking water before, during and after the best exercise.

For the rest of the day while on the detox diet plan try to eat only fresh fruit and vegetables. Select fruit with high water content such as water melon, grapes, apples, pairs, oranges, etc. Eat as little or as much fruit and vegetables as you desire.

Start to slow on the amount of water you drink 3-4 hours before bed.

The detox diet should start to make you feel refreshed and alert within 4-5 hours, but try to follow the detox diet exactly to feel the most benefit. Choose a day where you can give the detox diet plan full attention - a day off work or at weekend with no appointments or social events to attend.

The plan should not be followed for more than 2 consecutive days. Its quite safe to follow the semi- detox diet plan for one day every week. If you've tried the detox diet plan and have any comments please feel free to email us: contact weightlossforall

* Do not drink excessive amounts of water!

Pets=Friends

11-03-2005, 04:11 PM

Thanks doctor for your advise. same as orchi, i have some questions as well, for an adult, how many times should we go to toilet per day? is it normal if we dont go toilet for a 3 days straight? if this scenario occurs, does drinking a lot of water helps? coz my sis having this problem, and she's been drinking water about more than 2 litre per day, as nowadays its getting hotter. But yet, she still have to wait, sometimes 4 days to go past motion. What is your suggestion if this occur? We've been to clinics, and they suggest we take fibres. A lot of fibres. What do you think?

Hi countess, i've been having irregular bowel movement since I'm three or less. My mum's method is to stuff me with prunes, papaya and banana up to the point that now I've developed a phobia for prunes; papaya i'm starting to accept slowly as its very good for the skin.

Wildbill have mentioned the water method, i believe he takes around 4 or 5 glass of water before breakfast. I also use that method but I only drink about 3 big glass. That quantity alone is more than 1.5 liter. Instead of shoving a tube into our arse and pumping water, technically we are doing the same thing only through our mouth. This technique is to supplement our daily food intake which is high in fiber. Don't worry about drowning or having water in your lungs, drink at your own pace. The best thing is water is cheap.

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 04:20 PM

I beg to differ. Many half-baked oreintation, induction and ragging 'programmes' served to humiliate and de-humanise young freshies and their intention was to take a piss at the world in general. Blue Hippo. Well done and keep up your quest into business venture. I wish I have your guts when I was 19.

Err...Master:)...can't argue with that...especially when we were 19...ahem...might make a world of difference should there was internet then... :)

kwchang

11-03-2005, 04:49 PM

Please note I will move this thread to the Health section after midnight when there is less traffic and views to this thread. Similarly for other health-related threads. Do let me know of the threads that should move (PM me) - I can't keep track of all of them.

Thanks

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 05:09 PM

Err...dear Chang:)...Orchi feels the importance of health issues in the main forum...

Having said that...by categorising n moving politics issue...MPSJ/TNB/Water/Internet/Phone/Postal/PLUS issues...traffic jams/roadbullies issues...health issues...education issues...financial issues...dogs n cats issues...satay celup issues...development issues...legal issues...etc etc...what would be left to discuss or debate in the main webforum...?...FengShui? :confused:

kwchang

11-03-2005, 05:21 PM

Basically a Forum should be properly categorised (check out LowYat.net for example) to focus on topics. When we find interest groups developing, we should start new categories to facilitate the search for info. Imagine how hard it is to go thru the rojak we now have on the main forum?

USJ dot com is a growing Forum. Thanks to people like yourselves, we are thriving. My job is to ensure that we develop and grow as we go along.

The reason why people prefer things to remain in the main forum is because they only look there. Actually not necessay. Did you notice the link for "New Posts" ? Click on that and a list appears on EVERYTHING that you hadn't read. I use that exclusively to know what are the new postings - regardless where they are posted.

orchipalar

11-03-2005, 05:39 PM

Did you notice the link for "New Posts" ? Click on that and a list appears on EVERYTHING that you hadn't read. I use that exclusively to know what are the new postings - regardless where they are posted.

Dear Chang:)...correct...knew that longtime ago...but in it the majority of postings point to the main Webforum...which is where the bulk of views are... :)

Imagine how hard it is to go thru the rojak we now have on the main forum?

Err...Orchi calls that refreshing variety...a favorite among malaysians...n in this instance...suits the thread topic nicely :D

gnehkgnep

11-03-2005, 07:31 PM

Yar.....i agree with orchisan......rojak is fine with Malaysians........but u r the wiseman........i will follow u!!!! :)

gnehkgnep

11-03-2005, 07:37 PM

And.....what an interesting thread......special thanks to Dr. Kok who happens to live sekampung with me......and our little blue hippo........who open up this thread.........saying this........Dr.Kok........me got something to ask u.......can ar?

Myself alwiz tahan (kareb) due to circumstances prevented me from frequent the toilet during working hours (years ago)......and as result now every now and then have this ass pain (internally) :eek: .........is this serious or just short of fibre as discussed earlier............and any way to mitigate this effect............. :)

Patient in great dilemma over pain in the ass :D

gnehkgnep

11-03-2005, 07:45 PM

And further to this.....why alwiz so much angin in my stomach.........any solution/medicine???.......or simply just puuuuuuuuttttttt............busuk lar!!! :D

countess

12-03-2005, 08:29 AM

hello.... gnehkgnep

i also have angin in my stomach..... last time when i did a beauty treatment, ive asked the beautician the same question about angin.... she told me that it happens cause of our improper diet... for example, we shouldnt eat fruits last after our meal, i mean dont take fruits as a dessert but take them before the big meal.

reason : when you take your meal, everything will be place in your stomach first and acid in your stomach will do their job to 'cerna' the food you eat. when you take fruit last, imagine fruit is fiber, ur stomcah cant 'cerna' fiber. and the fruit will stay there quite sometime till its rot. this is how angin can be produced.

another way is rice and meat. she told me dont take meat and rice together. the same process as above coz meat is protein and harder to 'cerna' it will rot

countess

12-03-2005, 08:45 AM

Myself alwiz tahan (kareb) due to circumstances prevented me from frequent the toilet during working hours (years ago)......and as result now every now and then have this ass pain (internally) :eek: .........is this serious or just short of fibre as discussed earlier............and any way to mitigate this effect............. :)

Patient in great dilemma over pain in the ass :D

if you read the previous post about constipation, plus an explanation from dr. kok you might have a slight idea what is happening to you...

ive read one article from National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disease, National Institute of Health, US about constipation. there is one paragraph saying that if you ignore the urge to have a bowel movement (i mean kareb) it can lead to constipation. And another one reason is less fibre and water intake. You should take about 20-35gm of fibre per day and drink a lot of water. Another thing is abuse of laxatives. Your bowel will become lazy coz your bowel is depending on laxatives to bring on bowel movement (kareb). Overtime, laxatives can damage nerve cells and interfere the colon's natural ability to contract. There are few fruits that are categorized as laxatives. Just beware..

p/s 50grms of apple does not mean you have 50grms of fibre... one medium apple with skin contains 2.7 grms of fibre so, you need to take about 10 apples a day...

gnehkgnep

14-03-2005, 06:39 PM

Thanks countess.....but my last question.......why pain still not gone......and every now and then.......the pain strike back...... :( ......in need of u dr.kok!! :)

blue_hippo

14-03-2005, 08:24 PM

bro i suggest u see a doctor...maybe u have hemoroid...i think..so better go get a check up....no need to be shy..hehhe

ivanhow

16-03-2005, 12:18 AM

Not sure where to post this, but will tumpang here lah, if you don't mind.
Basically a Forum should be properly categorised (check out LowYat.net for example) to focus on topics. When we find interest groups developing, we should start new categories to facilitate the search for info. Imagine how hard it is to go thru the rojak we now have on the main forum?

USJ dot com is a growing Forum. Thanks to people like yourselves, we are thriving. My job is to ensure that we develop and grow as we go along.

The reason why people prefer things to remain in the main forum is because they only look there. Actually not necessay. Did you notice the link for "New Posts" ? Click on that and a list appears on EVERYTHING that you hadn't read. I use that exclusively to know what are the new postings - regardless where they are posted.
Err.. KW Chang, :) I was trying to look for the New Posts icon, but not sure where this can be found. Can you help?