Local Government like MPSJ should be elected - Free Seminar not to be missed

[pcyeoh]

PUBLIC FORUM:
Restore Our Third Vote

For forty years, Malaysians have been deprived the right to elect our
local councilors after the government’s decision to suspend local
government elections on 1 March 1965.

As a result, ratepayers have had to put up with the substandard
services of local councils which are largely inefficient, ineffective
and unaccountable.

Isn’t it ridiculous that Malaysians can select and decide on our Prime
Minister at the Federal level and Chief Minister at the State level
but have no right to elect our councilors?

It is time we demand the return of our third vote to ensure democracy
at the grassroots level. Come and find out more how we can press for
greater accountability and transparency of our local councils.


Date: Sunday, 13 March 2005
Time: 9.00am-1.00pm
Venue: Federal Hotel, Kuala Lumpur

Speakers:

1) Dr Goh Ban Lee (academician, Universiti Sains Malaysia)

2) Ramdas Tikamdas (human rights advocate)

3) Dr P. Ramasamy (academician, Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia)

4) Dr Nasir Hashim (President, Parti Sosialis Malaysia)

5) YB Tan Kok Wai (Member of Parliament for Cheras)

6) Lim Guan Eng (Secretary General, DAP)

Admission: Free

For inquiries, please contact Carmen/John at 03-79578022.
Visit http://www.the3rdvote.org

[Joe Gomez]

Thanks for info, pc.
Sounds good ..... will be there.

[headache]

Thanks, PC. I should be there, if nothing untoward happens to be at 3 am in the morning.

[ivanhow]

Today, the Sun reports: http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=8201

No plans to bring back local council elections
B. Suresh Ram
KUALA LUMPUR: The government has no intention to re-introduce local government elections that were frozen in 1965, Deputy Housing and Local Government Minister Datuk Azizah A.P. Mohd Muin said.

Replying to a question from Datuk Nur Jazlan Mohamad (BN-Pulai), she said the decision to cease holding local government elections was based on the Athi Nahappan Commission Report.

"Under section 15 of the Local Government Act, there is also a provision for local government elections to be ceased," she said.

Azizah said that because there are 144 local authorities in Malaysia, there would be various implications, including costs, time and manpower, if there is a move to hold such elections.

Although local government elections are no longer held, a local authority council is established under section 10 of the Local Government Act to promulgate, plan and implement the policies in a local authority area.

Through this, the ministry believes the council members appointed by the state government would be able to play an effective role.

Dr Tan Seng Giaw (DAP-Kepong) interjected, saying "40 years without such a democratic right is too long" and asked if the government would establish a new commission to review its decision not to hold such elections.

To this, Azizah said the government is of the view that there is no need to establish a new commission.

The government's move to review the effectiveness and efficiency of the role played by the local authorities is sufficient," she said.


Updated: 12:46AM Thu, 31 Mar 2005

[headache]

PUBLIC FORUM:

Date: Sunday, 13 March 2005
Time: 9.00am-1.00pm
Venue: Federal Hotel, Kuala Lumpur


Visit http://www.the3rdvote.org

13th March is over, liao.

[aroki]

headache,

pc posted on the 7th March for the 13th march. the reason it came up again cos ivanhow posted on the statement by the gomen. ok? take a uphamol bro. :D

[pcyeoh]

So sad lah, headache, Uphamol though a strong potent will not cure your headache. If you hang around here too long, you will eventually change your name to migrane.

I was supposed to attend this talk as the previous one organised by the USJRA at the 3K complexs in SS 13 when Tan Sri Harun Hashim spoke was an eye opener. I was looking forward to meet up with Dr Goh Ban Lee to update him on our USJ 8 Foodcourt issue which at that time was still unresolved. I wanted him to feature that resurrected problem again in The SUN but unfortunately, I was unable as I was held back by other things. Anyway, he has been updated on the latest development and let us see whether he has a sequel to present. Dr Goh has been a Penang Municipal Councillor for many terms and is one of the first academician to do so. The other one is Dr Chin Fook Weng. I know Goh as I have worked with him on projects. I believe unlike politicians, academicians expect the Local Government to have corporate governance and provide good service to their tax payers. The politicians on the other hand would help themselves to self enrichment. And the MPSJ action lately clearly showed that. Mohon lulus mohan lulus.

[gnehkgnep]

PC, myself wud like to understand one thing since i m not resident there............subang got police station or not.......never seen one........and if no..........why subang got MPSJ which govern subang jaya, pj and puchong but no police station whereas puchong have police station but no municipal council of its own.............a bit ironic lar.........why not both build two municipal council and two police stations and work hand-in-hand since many crime being reported in this two area lately.......... ;)

[davidfkc]

Its a real headache (sorry for the pun, no offence to psuedonyms) when people are appointed to a position, even if such an appointee was as elected rep of the people. As example is the deputy Minister of the very ministry which which is in charge of the local government portfolio.

Quote " ... she said the decision to cease holding local government elections was based on the Athi Nahappan Commission Report."

Either she never studied history or the newspapers are absolutely ignorant and irresponsible. Take your pick (its alright to rearrange the sentence, and perhaps drop or add in a couple of conjunctions).

In all the forums, workshops, discussions, etc which touch on the efficiency, capability, aptitude, etc of local councils, there has never been a failure to remind the world that the government commissioned Athi Nahappan Commission Report strongly recommended the reinstatement of election of local governments. At that time, the holding of third vote was only merely suspended. It only became law much later, perhaps when people up there realised that there is much to be shared.

The real issue now should not be just a push for the right to vote you own local government, but to make them personally liable. The local government Act, as it is, stinks of concessions and loopholes in favour of the power holder. You know and I know. If I were to add in more words here, uncle ISA would probably haunt me tonight.

[CS Chua]

We have to keep the pressure up on the government. Make it an important election issue in the next general election. If this seminar can be repeated nation-wide in all districts, that will be marvellous.

[ivanhow]

Taken from: http://www.the3rdvote.org

The last para reads:
The time has come to return power to the people. So let us join hands to press for the third vote by restoring local government elections in Malaysia. Being taxpayers, we have a right to decide who represents us and how are taxes are spent.

Do you agree?

Shall we do a polls on this important issue? What say U?

[cskok8]

Subang Jaya police station exist, but it only covers Subang Jaya (not USJ). USJ was under Shah Alam police district, and the station responsible was Batu Tiga. The "pondok" in USJ 8 is like a sub-station of the Batu Tiga one. With the creation of a new police district (Subang Jaya) the boundaries have been redrawn, so most of the areas under MPSJ are now included. I hope this does not give you more headache.

[pcyeoh]

Malaysiakini - Letter to the Editor

Local elections: Gov’t excuses lame

Citizen

Apr 4, 05 12:45pm

The statement in Parliament by Deputy Minister of Housing and Local Government that the government has no intention of re-introducing local government elections is not unexpected.

Given Barisan Nasional’s 92 percent majority in Parliament, any proposal that would jeopardise their cosy arrangement of appointing local councilors to perpetuate their control cannot be expected to be received with open arms.

In spite of the recent high-profile cases of corruption and abuse of power by state assemblymen and local councilors, our leaders have chosen to dismiss the call for local government elections. There is no attempt at consideration and it is simply dismissed as unnecessary for the point of costs, time and manpower.

So what else can we do to make the government seriously consider the proposal?

The so-called reason of costs, time and manpower are lame. If a referendum were to be called, I am sure the people would decide in favour of local elections. Just look at the exceptionally high costs of procurement in most local government expenditures.

The savings from proper tender exercise will more than offset the extra costs involved in carrying out local government elections.

The fact that the 14 coalition parties of the Barisan Nasional are collectively in favour of not re-introducing local government elections shows that they are collectively responsible for the deteriorating standards in local governments’ accountability and transparency.

It only goes to show their lack of independence in deciding matters concerning the people.

A mandate is given to the federal government at the general election every five years but this period is certainly too long when deciding on matters of local importance. Each time there is an abuse of power like at Bukit Cahaya and USJ8, both in Selangor, those affected felt peeved and cheated.

They are also helpless in the face of high-handed councilors and assemblymen. Isn’t it now the right time for us to wake up and exercise our civil rights by using our first and second votes to demand for our third vote?

[sallychuah]

To PCYEOH,
Hi, I'm sorry to interrupt from here, I been waiting for ur answer of the dog that u saw last month. I hope u can take a look of the pictures of my dog that I uploaded. And do hope it wasn't my dog. Pls, reply to me as soon as possible. Thank U.

[pcyeoh]

You got to excuse me KW Chang for I need to reply to Sally here about her missing dog while we are talking about Local Government election here. I guess this is more important

Oh gosh, I am truly sorry that I did not see your question that was posted under the Pet as I don't visit that section about pets. I saw your question there after seeing your appeal here.

Rest assured Sally that the dog I saw killed on the road on 2 March is totally different from the photograph of your dog. That one was completely black whereas yours have some white furs on its legs. Furthermore, I saw that dog on 2 March and the dog which you lost couldn't possibly still be wondering on the road till it met its Maker. It couldn't be wondering from USJ 11 to USJ 19 which is about 2 km away. Being a Mini Schnauzer, it would have ended in somebody's house even before it reached Jalan Murni. So don't worry about him/her too much. It could be well taken good care of although the new owner is cruel to take it away from you. Console yourself that it is still alive and did not meet that tragic accident. Who knows if it is fated, he/she will be back in your arms again. I wish you all the best and the luck to be with your dog again.

[Joe Gomez]

Still warm ( actually for some of us " simmering" wld be a better word ) from our Balai Polis episode and quite disgusted with :
(1) HB's highhandedness
(2) HB's:p lack of testicular credentials ( despite being our rep ) in handling HB who is a mere President ( YDP ) of a local council
(3) HB's arrogance despite being only a nominated kunju
(4) HB's inability to give an appointment to meet any of us reportedly for 6 months ( as he was going to b bz bz bz bz bz )
(5) MB's inability to take local council heads to task
(6) The presence of questionable practices in awarding contracts and the silence surrounding such actions
(7) The absence of any sense of responsibility, accountability, morality, humility, in the nominated MPSJ council members & their Chief Bureaucrat Spanner ( of "spanner in the works" fame :D ) i.e. the Hakim ( The Jury & The Executioner ).
(8) The bird brained Bird Park
(9) The lackadaisical manner in which the Food court issue was handled
WHAT SHOULD WE DO ? That is the soalan. Again my apologies to En Goncang Lembing.

My point is ............
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MOVE THE LOCAL ELECTIONS CONCEPT ALONG ?
What was Lee Hwa Beng's stand ( aroki, it is my fervent hope that it was not another "look-good-in-the-eyes-of-the-electorate" gimmicky PRAYER again lah:rolleyes: )
Will HB put his neck where his mouth is ?
Does he have the testicular credentials to fight with us for this and leave this as a legacy for the whole of Malaysia ?
Cost as an excuse for not introducing local elections is mere kangaroo poop (or "roo poop" for short) :D .
orchi, then I will seriously consider kissing his ( hopefully disinfected with DETTOL - chang, I am not a Dettol peddlar, dont banana me, pls :D ) hands ( guys I draw a line at only this part of the anatomy ok ? ).

[pcyeoh]

(1) HB's highhandedness
(4) HB's inability to give an appointment to meet any of us reportedly for 6 months ( as he was going to b bz bz bz bz bz )

My point is ............
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MOVE THE LOCAL ELECTIONS CONCEPT ALONG ?
What was Lee Hwa Beng's stand ( aroki, it is my fervent hope that it was not another "look-good-in-the-eyes-of-the-electorate" gimmicky PRAYER again lah:rolleyes: )
Will HB put his neck where his mouth is ?
Does he have the testicular credentials to fight with us for this and leave this as a legacy for the whole of Malaysia ?


Hi Joe, firstly before I answer your questions, I need you to be specific on who you are referring to when you used the initials HB which in another thread could be Hwa Beng, our ADUN for Subang Jaya and Hakim Borhan, the YDP of MPSJ. I have eliminated statement No 2 and No 3 as it is very obvious who you are referring to.

Secondly, you were asking about Dato Lee's stand and in this thread you are talking about the balai polis issue and the local council election. Which issue you want to know Dato Lee's stand before I get a F for answering the wrong question.

[Joe Gomez]

In (1) HB means The Judge
In ( 4 ) HB means The Judge
For easy reference I had attached this -> -> :p to tell the difference.
So basically any HB without this -> -> :p cherubic smile is The Judge.
Having some fun while posting lor ;) ;) !!


You "have eliminated statement No 2 and No 3 as it is very obvious who you are referring to" ..... WOW :eek: ........... hmmmmmm !!
And you have "eliminated" (5) thru to (7) because ??? :D

In every one of the Q's ( both eliminated and those that escaped elimination ) MPSJ is involved .... directly or tangentially. So dont you see the relevance of my mentioning Balai Polis and Food court and Bird Park ...... all in the wider context of going for Local Elections .............
Lets not go into the "STAY FOCUSSED ON ONE TOPIC, BRO " bit lah.
Really, really cannot see the connection ah ?


firstly before I answer your questions,

Which issue you want to know Dato Lee's stand before I get a F for answering the wrong question.
Thanks ..... but is what u r going to share also HB :p ( we noe which HB mah ) stand ( /prayer )?
It shd b amply clear now as to which wider issue I want 2 noe HB's :p stand !!!

[cskok8]

It is just unbelievable that a civil servant holding the post of a council president (M2 scale for Klang - others I do not know) have so much power that a senior politician need to lick his boots. :mad: One more reason to bring back local govt elections. Make sure we ask the politikus that the next time round.

[pcyeoh]

Since statement 1 and 4 are referring to the Judge, then you and I are singging the same tune. I eliminated the rest as I fully agree with your statement. Since you have made the clarification, there is nothing for me to reply as I fully agreed with you. Cheers brother. Sorry for interrupting the forum with my digression on the poor dog. I am a dog lover and I know how one feels when the dog went missing and worst still met with a tragic accident. In this case, thank God it wasn't her dog.

[Joe Gomez]

It is a big comfort knowing that we are on the same side *thundrous applause* * deep bows*. Thks.
OKI DOKI ....now that we have dispensed with the pleasantries WHAT IS HB's :p STAND ON THE LOCAL ELECTIONS ISSUE ?
Judging by the gusto with which you replied to my posting I was under the impression that I will get all my answers from you .... something like a 1-stop center to know all that I had always wanted to know about HB :p . but was afraid to ask ;).
Apparently my impression was false *deep disappointment* :(
So Ladies & Gentlemen ..........
How can we move this issue along ?
Can we fight alongside HB :p ?
Will he walk the talk ?
Will he put his neck where his mouth is ?
Will he show some testicular credentials or not ?
Or was it another one of his pious hopes ?

Lets keep this thread alive ..... believe me there is no other solution to our persistent problems with HB :mad: ( this is the Judge ) and his Dream-ing Team ? Otherwise we will b here grouching, complaining, beating our brains out with no end in sight .... :mad:
Lets see whether HB :p has the cajones for this or not :D.

[pcyeoh]

It is a big comfort knowing that we are on the same side *thundrous applause* * deep bows*. Thks.
OKI DOKI ....now that we have dispensed with the pleasantries WHAT IS HB's :p STAND ON THE LOCAL ELECTIONS ISSUE ?

Say what you want about LHB, he is the only Barisan Nasional who was brave enough (I wonder whether his balls were shrinking at that time) to call for a local council election. He said this while opening a public forum "Local Government, Is it time to bring back local election?" organised by the USJ Residents Association in September 2003 at the 3K complex to a thunderous applause in front of a crowd of 150 comprising of a no. of NGO coming from as far as Penang. The 5 people from SOS people and the UNDP representative were also here. At that time, it was only 6 months before the general election and I wonder whether he was also mad enough to say that especially the subject is a taboo in the Barisan Nasional.

The late Tan Sri Harun Hashim was presiding and Dr Goh Ban Lee was a guest speaker. Both of them were strong advocators of local government elections. Unfortunately, Tan Sri Hashim Harun passed away two weeks later without seeing this dream actualising. And also most unfortunately, this big event was downplayed the next day in a 3 inch column at page 16. The report I believe is more so to give due respect and acknowledgement to the late Tan Sri Harun Hashim presence at this function rather the subject matter itself. This is not a one man's battle and I hope the local council election will happen if not during my generation, it will happen in the next.

[Joe Gomez]

Say what you want about LHB, he is the only Barisan Nasional who was brave enough (I wonder whether he was also mad enough also whether his balls were shrinking at that time) to call for a local council election. He said that in a public forum "Local Government, Is it time to bring back local election?" organised by the USJ Residents Association in September 2003 at the 3K complex to a thunderous applause in front of a crowd of 150 comprising of a no. of NGO coming from as far as Penang.
HB :p stood next to me megaphone in hand ( when we were fighting for the premanent U-turn in Bandar Sunway ) and thundered to a large crowd "Yes we need the permanent U-turn." ..... to thundrous applause ( coming to think of it lah, all applause sounds "thundrous" ). The papers next day, spoke of the crowd and how HB :p was asking Litrak & LLM to consider the permanent U-turn to replace the temporary one we had. Privately he tells the RA committee ( of which I was the VP i.e. Timbalan YDP ..... no joke lor ;) :D ) that the largest number of people using the temporary U-turn are from Subang & USJ people not from Sunway and sommoe Litrak will lose money if people use the U-turn. We kept the residents informed of this comment .... yes we were naughty bos :D .

The 5 people from SOS people were here and the UNDP representatives were here. At that time, it was only 6 months before the general election and such a subject is a taboo at the highest level of the Barisan Nasional machinery.
In front of all these people I oso will not say anything different, sommoe I ex-Timbalan YDP lor :D . I must look good before the next Annual General Meeting of the residents mah :D .

And also most unfortunately this big event was reported the next day in a 3 inch column at page 16 more so giving due respect and acknowledgement to Tan Sri Harun Hashim perence at this function rather the subject matter.
This has a familiar ring to it. Unfortunate for us but FORTUITOUS for the media & ( dare I say this ........ for HB :p as well !! ). The amount of coverage can easily be influenced by the big guys .... we surely know that. I have done that despite being a small fry lor. I have bullied an NST correspondent into allocating a half page for the U-turn issue. Surely a soft whisper from an ADUN could have make a 3 inch column blossom ..... if only he told them to give prominence to his "strong" :rolleyes: stand on this topic.

This is not a one man battle and I hope the local council election will happen if not during my generation, it will happen in the next.I do share your opinion here tai ko. I do hope with you .... but Lee Hwa Beng cannot afford the luxury of merely hoping ..... he must walk the talk lor. Harun Hashim ( God rest his soul ) did not live to see it .... lets hope we do.

[Joe Gomez]

...................then you and I are singging the same tune. I eliminated the rest as I fully agree with your statement. Since you have made the clarification, there is nothing for me to reply as I fully agreed with you. Cheers brother. ..................
Cheers tai ko.
However, you will really and truly bring me good cheer if you (as a community leader and a respected member of the JKP ) can tell us how we can move this Local Elections issue to fruition. Pls share your thoughts and experience on this. Pls dont label this as a political ploy .... that label is getting frayed at the edges lah :D .
All my statements are foregone conclusions lor. Meaning everyone knows they are true. hey are nothing new. But I did not expect a mere concurrance with my statements. That was really not what I was expecting ( & defintely not from a person of your caliber and standing ).
What we need to know is .......
What can we do ?
Can you talk to HB :p to see how we can work together ?
Will he put his butt on the line ?
Will he be as brave as he was at the public forum "Local Government, Is it time to bring back local election?" organised by the USJ Residents Association in September 2003 at the 3K complex ?
I am itching to give him a thuderous applause :D :D .
And this time I will give him more than 3 inches. I mean newspaper coverage lah. ;) ;)

[Joe Gomez]

pc can you speak to HB :p about driving his stated commitment for Local Elections to fruition i.e. the one he loudly stated to thundrous applause ?
There is some interest in reviving this topic see NST today (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Letters/NST32307386.txt/Article/indexb_html)
I know, that as a constituent of Subang I have the right to walk into HB's :p office and demand his stand ( remember your reminding mack, in another thread, to go and get the minutes himself as he has the right ?).
But as a community leader, as a member of the committee of a very highly respected NGO, as a person who is very close to HB and as a person who has HB's :p ear, can you help us get HB to make another statement in the press ? But pls dont read us our rights lah tai ko :D ? If HB :p makes the statement convincingly and with the same amount of verve & spunk that you say he displayed at the public forum "Local Government, Is it time to bring back local election?" in September, I will personally give him a thudrous applause. ( Nope I aint kissing nothing orchi :D ).This should provide more impetus to the topic that seems to be coming up again.

[pcyeoh]

I am speaking for myself only. I can be a strong supporter of exercising our third ballot paper but that doesn't mean that I am going into the streets on a crusade. Sorry brother, I don't have the energy. But I can be a bearer of the good news and the bad news. That is that much I would get involved. The same goes in this forum. Many are contributing their 2 - 200 sen worth of thoughts here. Also don't expect even the 200 sen contributor to stand in the line of fire for the cause however good it may be. You will be very disappointed when the chips are down and you don't get the kind of support behind you. I really take off my hat for those who go until the end of the world for their belief. I can invoke my citizen rights to ask but not demand in this case LHB whether he is doing anything to soldier on the cause - it is time to bring back local election.

[Joe Gomez]

I am speaking for myself only. I can be a strong supporter of exercising our third ballot paper but that doesn't mean that I am going into the streets on a crusade.In your mind if going to my dearly beloved leader and crusader LHB is akin to going to the streets .... YIIIKESSS !!
The forumers will take to the streets when & if the need arises and if they feel strongly enough about it they will do it anyway with or without you & me :D :D.

Sorry brother, I don't have the energy. But I can be a bearer of the good news and the bad news. That is that much I would get involved.Bearer of tidings = Messenger.
A JKP's role is only as a message bearing go-between ah? I think this is an over-simplification what. And this description does not do justice to what especially you have done in the past. You have done a tremendous job at raising issues involving the other beloved leader of mine, Hakim ...... you did an enviable job of whacking the chap till he cld not sit down and he was left twisting slowly in the wind. This time we never ask to whack ............ we oni ask to ask. So why not now lah ?
The same goes in this forum. Many are contributing their 2 - 200 sen worth of thoughts here. Also don't expect even the 200 sen contributor to stand in the line of fire for the cause however good it may be. You will be very disappointed when the chips are down and you don't get the kind of support behind you.But is that 200 sen contributor a committee member of the JKP ah ? If he is and he does not give the kind of support behind us, the forumers know how to wake him up lor ....... like we are trying to coax you to help in this case lor.
I really take off my hat for those who go until the end of the world for their belief.I wld take my songkok off for u 2 tai ko, if you will in your own gentlemanly way ask LHB to find his cajonnes again and make a press statement about how his sole purpose in life is to have local elections and how he wants his next boss in MPSJ to be an elected one.We will thunder him with applauses and do a Mexican wave for the beloved leader. I think you will help us to talk to LHB. I think you will do it cos in your heart of hearts you know you have the ability to do it and the experience to pull it off. Many of the forumers look up to you as our JKP leader.[/QUOTE]
I can invoke my citizen rights to ask but not demand in this case LHB whether he is doing anything to soldier on the cause - it is time to bring back local election.OKI DOKI, dont demand ......... dont even ask ........ lest we inadvertently injure my dear leader LHB's delicate sensitivities ........... try soft whispering :D instead. End result shd be that LHB repeats his brave statement in the press. NST wld probably be willing to take up his statement in the light of the letters to the editor on this topic. We must get him to comment while still hot, hot mah.In any case if LHB wills it LHB will get it. He can get press coverage just like that mah ? Sommoe he is the press punya darling lor. This time more than 3 cm/inches sure can get one .....

[Joe Gomez]

Just spoke to LHB.
He says that everyone above him dont like the idea. I dont think he included the Almighty tho ..... :D :D
But personally he holds the topic close to his heart.
I personally believe him. ..... much good that does for us :mad: :mad:

So what do we have ....
We have a rep who privately feels somethng is good but publically would not say so cos his superiors do not like it.

He said another public forum on this issue would be a good idea.
Of course, no date or time was discussed.
Anyone out there wants to pick this up and run from here ....
Or are we going to be read our rights again.

[Joe Gomez]

Just spoke to LHB.
He says that everyone above him dont like the idea. I dont think he included the Almighty tho ..... :D :D
But personally he holds the topic close to his heart.
I personally believe him. ..... much good that does for us :mad: :mad:

So what do we have ....
We have a rep who privately feels somethng is good but publically would not say so cos his superiors do not like it.

He said another public forum on this issue would be a good idea.
Of course, no date or time was discussed.
Anyone out there wants to pick this up and run from here ....
Or are we going to be read our rights again.
I just remembered ....
When I spoke to LHB on the phone yesterday, LHB also said that he had already made his opinion known on the day of the public forum "Local Government, Is it time to bring back local election?" in September. So no need for him to make a press statement.
How slippery can a plotician get ah ?? Now you know why I have higher regards for mules.
I guess that is why even pc was saying that LHB had already said his bit to thuderous applause.
But isnt one of the tasks of community leaders to get these intransigent blokes to move their butts ??
Can something be done to get Loh Seng Kok & Lee Hwa Beng to work together on this issue ? Havent both had their share of problems contributed by the nominated bunch of bananas :D in the majlis.
What is LSK's stand on this ?
Lets hope LSK does not do a Houdini on us oso !! :rolleyes:

[Joe Gomez]

Now we know that this Free Seminar touted as NOT TO BE MISSED was orchestrated & presented purely & solely to make Lee Hwa Beng look good.
What did those guys who did not miss it get ? Curious lah .... aiyoh now I sound like aroki.
Can any person who attended it tell us what came out of it.
I might have missed one of the most earth-shaking, momentous, history making, watershed, ( I better revert to everyday-neighbour mode lah ... jeff is watching :eek: ) meetings that was ever held this side of the Greenwich median lah. I will be deeply distressed if I missed such an event .... can someone tell me what happened after the thunderous applause died down ? Please ........... please ........... pretty please :p :p
Where is that banana when I need it ? ...
chang ignore that comment. "Need" here meant "nutritionally & energy restoring-wise" lor.

[Joe Gomez]

Well DAP has stolen the thunder from our illustrious ADUN again.
DAP's stand (http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/35717)
All that Lee Hwa Beng has now is the spurious, lame duck claim that he ws the first to moot the idea ....... *thunderous applause* *cherubic smiles* :p
Poor miserable LHB ......... You did not have the guts tho you had the means ....
Poor miserable US ........... Teng has the guts but not the means ......

Can you even pretend a show of support for Teng's stand i.e. for the idea that you gave painful birth to ( to "thunderous ovation" ) BUT allowed to die as soon as the applause died down, ah ???
Cannot meh ? Cos superiors dont like meh ?