Money making talks or seminar

[daws]

Hi guys,
has anyone of u attended one of this kind of talk? i thought i'll ask here first before going to any of them. It's normally held in some hotels and it's free only need to send your name for reservation of seats.
So if anyone of u have had experience good or bad with this kind of seminar, could u please share them here?
thank you

[totoro]

Hi guys,
has anyone of u attended one of this kind of talk? i thought i'll ask here first before going to any of them. It's normally held in some hotels and it's free only need to send your name for reservation of seats.
So if anyone of u have had experience good or bad with this kind of seminar, could u please share them here?
thank you

they are usually to introduce you to their 'real' money making talk, which you will need to pay money to join. it's money-making alright.. making money for the organizers lorr.. :p

[biggiesmalls]

Are these things even legal?

[orchipalar]

Err...TQ Raymond:)...for introducing a great mentor to Orchi...who says..."People let little things ROB them of BIG opportunities..."...ahem...in this instance...how true...how true! :)

[ivanhow]

It is very simple.

If you have money to spare, go join and find out more. :)
If not, go find out what they are talking about, but don't join. :D
The decision is still in your own hands - but don't be forced into making a decision you are not ready to make. Simple! :D
Forget about whether it is legal or not, for they are a money making entity to make more for themselves lor, as what toroto-san says! :D

[catwoman]

there r a lot of such seminars n talks on how 2 make more money.... i thk d one who makes d most money iz d person givin d talk.... :p

[orchipalar]

Err...another wiseman might wanna dispute this...that a staggering 97% of the population wish for positive things...but themselves thinking negatively...how naive :o

[JackRyan1975]

More interestingly to me are the speakers who claim to be world-reknowned in their fields. Most of these speakers also have a 'Dr' in front of their names. Somehow I doubt the authenticity of their claims of acclaimations and even their academic achievements.

Well, if they're really so well acclaimed, our Malaysian Media would have highlighted their achievements without them having to advertise themselves.

[Joe Gomez]

hi daws
If u hv never been 2 1 of these talks pls do esp if they are FOC lah.
Be clear that the sole purpose of the guy giving that talk, at the first FOC preentation, is to convince u to take the next step i.e. to come for the seminar/talk/presentation session that you will pay for.
During this paid session, it is the sole purpose of the guy giving the talk to convince you that what he is pushing is the answer to all your ( & your family's ) dreams and financial aspirations.
Some guys do this pushing ethically .... some dont.
None will say that his own method was 2nd best to another .....
Where does that leave you ?
Buyer beware ...... !!!
Everyone of these chaps tell you that the ultimate decision is yours .... they are right.
But, MAN, youi shd watch the way each will try his level best to influence your decision in favour of the product / service he is promoting. Some ethically & some not.

YOU HAVE HEARD ALL THIS BEFORE, daws.
But it requires a particularly strong constitution / will on your part to see thru spurious claims and over-zealous promotions.
The urge to jump in is very strong man .... believe me these guys know how to say the exact things you want to hear !!!
It is entertaining & educational tho and I would strongly advise u 2 attend the FOC session.
What I hv mentioned above is not to say that out there there arent any good "bandwagons" to hop on to. There definately are. Telling the good from the not so good OR the downright spurious ????? That is the challenge Man. All the best.

[orchipalar]

It is entertaining & educational tho and I would strongly advise u 2 attend the FOC session.
What I hv mentioned above is not to say that out there there arent any good "bandwagons" to hop on to. There definately are. Telling the good from the not so good OR the downright spurious ????? That is the challenge Man. All the best.

Err...it doesn't get anymore level minded than this...good advice from JG :)

[wildbill]

Hi Orchi,

Happy CNY and Gong Xi Fatt Cai to you.

The FOC seminar is just a teaser, if you want to go for the real one, you have to pay. No free lunch in this world.

As for the effectiveness of the seminar, it all boil down to the individual. What are you looking for? If you though by going to this seminar, you will get rich by following the method, the chances are slim. Of cause, few out of thousands will eventually get rich, but isn't that a nature for statistic?

If you attend the seminar to enhance your knowledge and skill you already had. That might be a good investment. As you focus into it, your will succeed one day. The key is to focus into a specific knowledge you wanted, not to simply attend any seminars that promise you will be rich by following their method. Am I make any sense?

[tan_r]

... The key is to focus into a specific knowledge you wanted, ...
I beg to differ ... it should be multi-skills and multi-languages. In the Scandinavian countries, you need to learn 4 languages in schools, i.e. 3 they pick and 1 you choose. In a way, we Malaysians are a fortunate lot cos' Bahasa, English and Mandarin are natives to most of us (me excluded :o ) and we need only to master another foreign language.

[wildbill]

hi tan_r,

I do agree with you. For the basic skill, we have to master as many as possible. That why in primary school and secondary school, the student were teach as many subjects as possible. Then not all will agreed also.

We are talking about specific skill and knowledge here, like security investment, future trading, commodity investment, MLM, financial consultant, and etc. If you try to do all these in one go, may God bless you.

[Joe Gomez]

Hi Orchi,

Happy CNY and Gong Xi Fatt Cai to you.

The FOC seminar is just a teaser, if you want to go for the real one, you have to pay. No free lunch in this world.

As for the effectiveness of the seminar, it all boil down to the individual. What are you looking for? If you though by going to this seminar, you will get rich by following the method, the chances are slim. Of cause, few out of thousands will eventually get rich, but isn't that a nature for statistic?

If you attend the seminar to enhance your knowledge and skill you already had. That might be a good investment. As you focus into it, your will succeed one day. The key is to focus into a specific knowledge you wanted, not to simply attend any seminars that promise you will be rich by following their method. Am I make any sense?
In the context of what u r looking 4 at a particular seminar / talk ..... it makes a lot of sense to stay focussed, wildbill. I cld b wrong but I think that is where u r coming from, m I right ? :confused:

[orchipalar]

you will get rich by following the method, the chances are slim. Of cause, few out of thousands will eventually get rich, but isn't that a nature for statistic

If you attend the seminar to enhance your knowledge and skill you already had. That might be a good investment. As you focus into it, your will succeed one day. The key is to focus into a specific knowledge you wanted, not to simply attend any seminars that promise you will be rich by following their method. Am I make any sense?

Err...WildBill:)...when opportunity is presented to you...there shouldn't be any harm looking n listening at it...then make the right decision...

Statistics?...lets say 97% fail n only 3% achieve success...which category of the statistics would you wanna be with...?

Perhaps Helen Keller says it best when asked what's worst than being blind...n she replies..."the worst thing would be about people having the sights...but possesses no vision"...or something like that...

And another wiseman would add..."people hears but they don't listen" :)

[Joe Gomez]

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We are talking about specific skill and knowledge here, like security investment, future trading, commodity investment, MLM, financial consultant, and etc. If you try to do all these in one go, may God bless you.
AMEN TO THAT.

[wildbill]

Err...WildBill:)...when opportunity is presented to you...there shouldn't be any harm looking n listening at it...then make the right decision...

Statistics?...lets say 97% fail n only 3% achieve success...which category of the statistics would you wanna be with...?

Perhaps Helen Keller says it best when asked what's worst than being blind...n she replies..."the worst thing would be about people having the sights...but possesses no vision"...or something like that...

And another wiseman would add..."people hears but they don't listen" :)

Hi Orchi :D ,

We always wanted to be in that 3% or 0.3% category, but always end-up in the other side, how lah?

If it is FOC and you have time, by gully, go for it. If you have to pay for it, please think twice before parting your money. Most of those talks have some "con artist" element in it. What I don't like is.....if we didn't succeed because we didn't have what it take to make it to the end. We are the one to blame. Period. If I can't be a master, at least a good practitioner, can cari makan?

Joe Gomez my friend, you are right on the dot. :D

[tan_r]

If you try to do all these in one go, may God bless you.
Multi doesn't mean you do not have to or cannot stay focussed. :D Of course, if you whack everything that comes the way, God also cannot help lah.

[tan_r]

If I can't be a master, at least a good practitioner, can cari makan?
Allow me to share this little para with fellow forumers, an extract from James Allen's "As a Man Thinketh". This little big book, a timeless classic - only 28 pages thick - is so rich and profound that I feel ALL OF US should read it. It is available in MPH at RM9.90 only. The ebook version is easily available FOC from the internet. If you cannot find it, send me a pm. Not to worry, it isn't about MLM. :)

"Man is made or unmade by himself; in the armory of thought he forges the weapons by which he destroys himself; he also fashions the tools with which he builds for himself heavenly mansions of joy and strength and peace. By the right choice and true application of thought, man ascends to the Divene Perfection; by the abuse and wrong application of thought, he descends to the level of the beast. Between these two extremes are all grades of character, and man is their maker and master".

Of all the beautiful truths pertaining to the soul which have been restored and brought to light in this age, none is more gladdening or fruitful of divine promise abd confidence than this - that man is the master of thought, the molder of character, and the maker and shaper of condition, environment and destiny.

Truly, go get and read the book.

[totoro]

Allow me to share this little para with fellow forumers, an extract from James Allen's "As a Man Thinketh". This little big book, a timeless classic - only 28 pages thick - is so rich and profound that I feel ALL OF US should read it. It is available in MPH at RM9.90 only. The ebook version is easily available FOC from the internet. If you cannot find it, send me a pm. Not to worry, it isn't about MLM. :)

"Man is made or unmade by himself; in the armory of thought he forges the weapons by which he destroys himself; he also fashions the tools with which he builds for himself heavenly mansions of joy and strength and peace. By the right choice and true application of thought, man ascends to the Divene Perfection; by the abuse and wrong application of thought, he descends to the level of the beast. Between these two extremes are all grades of character, and man is their maker and master".

Of all the beautiful truths pertaining to the soul which have been restored and brought to light in this age, none is more gladdening or fruitful of divine promise abd confidence than this - that man is the master of thought, the molder of character, and the maker and shaper of condition, environment and destiny.

Truly, go get and read the book.


Although maybe going off-topic? But, I have also seen this book and my thoughts were that this book puts Man on a pedestal as opposed to God, but otherwise, a prosaic writer and deep thinker. Cheers.

[Joe Gomez]

If you attend the seminar to enhance your knowledge and skill you already had. That might be a good investment. As you focus into it, your will succeed one day. The key is to focus into a specific knowledge you wanted, not to simply attend any seminars that promise you will be rich by following their method. Am I make any sense?

I beg to differ ... it should be multi-skills and multi-languages. In the Scandinavian countries, you need to learn 4 languages in schools, i.e. 3 they pick and 1 you choose. In a way, we Malaysians are a fortunate lot cos' Bahasa, English and Mandarin are natives to most of us (me excluded ) and we need only to master another foreign language.

We are talking about specific skill and knowledge here, like security investment, future trading, commodity investment, MLM, financial consultant, and etc. If you try to do all these in one go, may God bless you.

Multi doesn't mean you do not have to or cannot stay focussed. :D Of course, if you whack everything that comes the way, God also cannot help lah.

Aiyaaah .... that means everyone in agreement or not ??
So there was no issue right from the beginning meh ?
Isnt this tangential to the thread ?


Yours in confusion
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[orchipalar]

We always wanted to be in that 3% or 0.3% category, but always end-up in the other side, how lah?

please think twice before parting your money. Most of those talks have some "con artist" element in it. What I don't like is.....if we didn't succeed because we didn't have what it take to make it to the end. We are the one to blame. Period. If I can't be a master, at least a good practitioner, can cari makan?

Err...WildBill :) ...another wiseman might wanna dispute this...that a staggering 97% of the population wish for positive things...but themselves thinking negatively...how naive :) ...err...Orchi was one of them:D

When you know you can change for the better...when you have listen or seen opportunity presented to you...would you at least think about it?...give yourself a chance...give the opportunity a chance...be as careful as you can be...ask yourself how much risk is involved or can you loose for discovering...trying or exploring the opportunity...n imagine yourself doing it in your spare time...wouldn't you at least attend?

People let little things rob them of big opportunity...why let it happen to you...is your life destined that you wanna just cari makan?...wish positive..think positive...do positive..ahem...anyone can do it...:)

if we didn't succeed because we didn't have what it take to make it to the end. We are the one to blame.

Yes...you reap what you sow...another wiseman prays n preaches to that...but he practices it as hard as he could without good seed(opportuntiy)...without good soil(attitude)...what would he expect to reap? :D :D

[Joe Gomez]

Well said orchi .....
Seminars & talks ( at least the genuine ones ) of this nature offer opportunities. I agree with u 100%. The challenge is in telling the genuine from the fraudulent. Separating the wheat from the chaff.
"One particle of sand does not a sea-shore make" - Yaro
...... hence it wld be wrong to conclude that all such seminars are of questionable value.
Ultimately everything hinges on the person behind the product/service (p/s) being promoted.
If he is ethical the p/s will be viewed as ethical.
If the person is over-pushy, over-bearing & highly opinionated, the p/s will be unfairly viewed as being suspicious and of questionable merit.
If the person constantly berates another's p/s or talks ill of the other p/s, we know that the potential customers perception of our own p/s will suffer.

[orchipalar]

Well said orchi .....
Seminars & talks ( at least the genuine ones ) of this nature offer opportunities. I agree with u 100%. The challenge is in telling the genuine from the fraudulent. Separating the wheat from the chaff.
"One particle of sand does not a sea-shore make" - Yaro
...... hence it wld be wrong to conclude that all such seminars are of questionable value.

Err...TQ JG :) ...for the compliment...especially when coming from you...very motivational...n inspiring ;)

To be able to share your opportunity n success...affecting the well being n good lives of your friends...relatives n more people after them...you are achieving greatness..(Jim Rohn) :)

[dodyann]

hi guys I am just new member .. I read this forum this topic pulled me to register hehe ..

ok my opinion about these seminars & talks .. ( I mean the true ones la) .. they can realy change u way of thinking and explore new ideas in our mind ..But its depend on how do think ? do u think inside the box or outside the box.. we Malaysian have our own thinks and guidelines which we inherited them from our old people , (parents, school teahcers etc) ..

They alway keep saying dont do this , do that .. if u didnt do that u will get this ,, so children will take them and put them in their mind and set thier own limitation so they wont think outside the box ..

that why when we come to these seminars we think its impossible to implement what the speaker does. But in reality u can practice them if u think outside the box and release all limitaion that set up by ur past ..

some of these seminars are about making money online , become stock traders , & bla bla .. but who said that u can not make succesfull online business or become real Stock trader or make money ..by attending these talks .. its only depend on how u think ..

it is the same when u go to school , then Universeity to learn and get Diplomas , degrees or even Master .. so what is the goal behind that .. it is only to find good job after graduation .. true or not? It all about making money by working with someone or doing business ..

but lets compare .. does the school teaher or leaturer teaches how to realy make money .. of course no .. and about fees .. how much u spent from day one u start schooling till u get ur degree .. (even loan) :D so can u compare with these seminar fees ..

actullay we are doing similar things but our mind set that after gradution we can get good job (but it is not real coz many people still looking for job) and our mind also set that these seminars are risky coz we will loss money paying them but we wont get anything .. (u will get nothing if u did not do ur homework well . just treat it as school homework or assignment) then u will do well ..

I am not here to defend these seminars (I mean only real once) .but i just wanna open up ur mind and let u think outside the box .. that why people in United States they can make money even there are drop out from Universities ..coz they think outside the box .. and learn & re-learn .. (but not all la ) ..

u can find some poelp think outside the box and made big forture .. like MLM leader Basri (CNI) , Aurther Yap (Omegatrend) and many .. just refer to MLM magazies ... why becoz they think outside the box and set thier mind that MLM can make money and no one will say it cant expect ur mind set ..

nodays is the era of Internet business ..i know many friends who are making real money from internet .. coz they think it can make money .. but when u ask mejority about it they will say .. ala semua itu tipu punye , internet mainan budak2 je ,, mana ade logic bole buat 1% sehari .. u see coz thier mind already set like that .. but in reality these staff realy exist and u can make money .. I am one of those who make money from Intenet .. ( but i am not here to promot anything) ..

Its true that many speaker of these seminars makes money but they need to charge u as university charge u through PTPN & JPA (u pay later la) .. coz they need to pay expenses such hotels booking , materials and the important thing thier knowledge & experinces which u cant give certian value for it..

If u wanna check what there are talking is true or not just check their testimonials .. how they are doing .. u will find succesfull people .. if other attended but never get what they promise its not the speaker fault its urs becoz u didnt do ur homework well .. same like when u find in Universities many students are best graduates (Dean Lists ) and u will find also people are dismissed and kick out ..why ? (becoz they didnt do thier homework well) ..

I meet with many succesful Stock trader , succesfull Internet Marketer .. succesfull Money Maker , who learn from these seminars .. all coz they think outside the box and put them in good displine .. if people start thinking like them we will see many Malaysians are millionares .. (Do u know that in USA more than 6 millions people are millionares.. that why wealth ranking in USA by Billions not Millions ..ramai sangat x bole kira) ..

Sorry guys about this long post in by first time .. I welcome any comments ..and sorry id i made any mistakes that hurts anybody there ..

I hope u will accept my first post :D

[totoro]

that why when we come to these seminars we think its impossible to implement what the speaker does. But in reality u can practice them if u think outside the box and release all limitaion that set up by ur past ..

A positive attitude and creative thinking goes a very long way, I agree, but it alone cannot take you everywhere. It is sometimes a bit dangerous to get too psyched up about endless possibilities and vast wealth to the point it clouds your better judgement.


If u wanna check what there are talking is true or not just check their testimonials .. how they are doing .. u will find succesfull people .. if other attended but never get what they promise its not the speaker fault its urs becoz u didnt do ur homework well .. same like when u find in Universities many students are best graduates (Dean Lists ) and u will find also people are dismissed and kick out ..why ? (becoz they didnt do thier homework well) ..

I will pay money to listen to Mahathir give a seminar about secrets of Malaysian politics, and I can go for 50 of such seminars, but I don't think it will increase my chances of becoming a PM anytime soon... :D


I meet with many succesful Stock trader , succesfull Internet Marketer .. succesfull Money Maker , who learn from these seminars .. all coz they think outside the box and put them in good displine .. if people start thinking like them we will see many Malaysians are millionares .. (Do u know that in USA more than 6 millions people are millionares.. that why wealth ranking in USA by Billions not Millions ..ramai sangat x bole kira) ..

Hmm, in comparing 2 methods of making money, you got method 1, which is what you do to earn money... and method 2, which is a seminar to make money telling others how to do it as well.

If I can make much more money using method 1, I will not really even spend time to consider method 2, unless I crave attention, want to be famous, or want to write a book, or get people to know that I have / know how to make money so that I can do more business with them in the future, so I can make even more money.

Everybody loves to quote a success story, it revs your engine and gets you going and you feel you can do anything in this world.

Everybody wants to become the next Bill Gates or Michael Dell, or Warren Buffett... but the thing is... you can go around telling a billion people in this world that everybody can be like them, and the truth may be that they -can- end up like these successful people, but over the past 10-20 years, how many Bill Gates do we have so far? Did everyone in OmegaTrend end up as rich as their boss, if not, was it because they worked less hard? Even in the MLM world, things always work out best for those at the top? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[orchipalar]

Dodyann: u can find some poelp think outside the box and made big forture .. like MLM leader Basri (CNI) , Aurther Yap (Omegatrend) and many .. just refer to MLM magazies ... why becoz they think outside the box and set thier mind that MLM can make money and no one will say it cant expect ur mind set ..

Totoro: Did everyone in OmegaTrend end up as rich as their boss, if not, was it because they worked less hard? Even in the MLM world, things always work out best for those at the top?

Err...ladies n gentlemen:)...Sorry..Orchi thinks it's not proper or necessary to mentioned trade names in here... :)

Having said that...allow Orchi to ask...generally wage earners..professionals or otherwise..business entrepreneurs...real estate agents...mutual funds agents...insurance agents...financial planners... multilevelmarketers ...networkmarkets...directsellers...etc...how would you else explain that their income levels differ from each other in their respective companies...organizations or fields?

Getting to where you want to be...shall depend largely on individuality...experience...knowledge...skills... n wisdom :)

[totoro]

Dodyann: u can find some poelp think outside the box and made big forture .. like MLM leader Basri (CNI) , Aurther Yap (Omegatrend) and many .. just refer to MLM magazies ... why becoz they think outside the box and set thier mind that MLM can make money and no one will say it cant expect ur mind set ..

Err...ladies n gentlemen:)...Sorry..Orchi thinks it's not proper or necessary to mentioned trade names in here... :)

Oops, just took what was mentioned as a random example... :o


Having said that...allow Orchi to ask...generally wage earners..professionals or otherwise..business entrepreneurs...real estate agents...mutual funds agents...insurance agents...financial planners... multilevelmarketers ...networkmarkets...directsellers...etc...how would you else explain that their income levels differ from each other in their respective companies...organizations or fields?

Getting to where you want to be...shall depend largely on individuality...experience...knowledge...skills... n wisdom :)

Ya, orchi... no comments there... agreed... and add who you know, opportunity and luck.

[orchipalar]

Ya, orchi... no comments there... agreed... and add who you know, opportunity and luck.

Err...Totoro :) ...thank you for acknowledging that...who you know is important in other perspectives in life generally...what you know is more appropriate n important towards setting n achieving your goals...

Opportunity is mixed with difficulties...don't wish for things to be simple...wish for more knowledge...don't wish for problems to be less...wish for more skills...don't wish of less challenges...wish for more wisdom...(Jim Rohn)

Having said that...one doesn't sit n wait or hope for luck...rather one should subscribe to the laws of averages...n have faith in practicing the arts of sowings n reapings...which evidently are the keys to success n wealth...(Jim Rohn) :)

[totoro]

Ya, orchi... no comments there... agreed... and add who you know, opportunity and luck.

Err...Totoro :) ...thank you for acknowledging that...who you know is important in other perspectives in life generally...what you know is more appropriate n important towards setting n achieving your goals...

Opportunity is mixed with difficulties...don't wish for things to be simple...wish for more knowledge...don't wish for problems to be less...wish for more skills...don't wish of less challenges...wish for more wisdom...(Jim Rohn)

Having said that...one doesn't sit n wait or hope for luck...rather one should subscribe to the laws of averages...n have faith in practicing the arts of sowings n reapings...which evidently are the keys to success n wealth...(Jim Rohn) :)

But Orchi, it is true that every success story we know owe some of their success to WHO THEY KNOW, or to being GIVEN some OPPORTUNITY at some time in their life, or just to have the right stroke of LUCK in their business.

I never said that these are the -only- things that matter, and nobody should sit around and wait for luck or to go around asking for opportunity, but if you have everything else and no luck... then it's tough luck and I wish them good luck. If you have everything else but the opportunity never comes, then too bad also.

Orchi, as u r in MLM, then you should know that in Network Marketing, it is your NETWORK that is absolutely even more important, i.e. -who you know-. In the business and corporate world, who you know is very important in getting that job, in getting that business deal, in getting that promotion, in getting that opportunity, etc.

[Joe Gomez]

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Orchi, as u r in MLM, then you should know that in Network Marketing, it is your NETWORK that is absolutely even more important, i.e. -who you know-. In the business and corporate world, who you know is very important in getting that job, in getting that business deal, in getting that promotion, in getting that opportunity, etc.
I think this "know who" thingey shd not be stretched beyond its elastic limit. Oftentimes u start with not knowing a person and you create situations to get to know. After that, that person is someone you know and a potential. I appreciate totoro allowing that know-who, luck & opportunity are not the be all and end all of all success.
I think orchi is also right when he implies that while opportunities can be created sweat i.e. effort cant be discounted.
Basically "Effort shd be directly proportional to dreams" _ Yaro's Theory

[dodyann]

A positive attitude and creative thinking goes a very long way, I agree, but it alone cannot take you everywhere. It is sometimes a bit dangerous to get too psyched up about endless possibilities and vast wealth to the point it clouds your better judgement.

yeah i agree that positive attitude and creative thinking no enough .. u need to go and practice what u learn .. maybe when u join MLM u can not do well compare to other but maybe u can be succesful stock trader or Insurance agents ..u just found ur cup ot tea .. when u see many first class students in Universities .. u can be like them by positive attitude and creative thinking & puting things in practice and do ur homeworks as they do .. dont just stay and hope for high grads. when u attend these seminars u will mix with succesful people then by positive attitude and creative thinking and following what they do (even a little ) is enough to change somthing in ur life .. no just stay and complain about the fess.. ..(Many school students who learn mathematic from Math teacher become also maths teacher.. why ? )



I will pay money to listen to Mahathir give a seminar about secrets of Malaysian politics, and I can go for 50 of such seminars, but I don't think it will increase my chances of becoming a PM anytime soon... :D

who said that .. u can be like Mahathir as leader .. you can learn from him secrets of leadership and u can become even better than him in leadership if u do ur homework as Mahathir teachs u .. not nessecery you need to become PM .. his seminar (if his organize one la) will be for improving u leadership skills, it wont be about how to become PM ..got it :D



Hmm, in comparing 2 methods of making money, you got method 1, which is what you do to earn money... and method 2, which is a seminar to make money telling others how to do it as well.

If I can make much more money using method 1, I will not really even spend time to consider method 2, unless I crave attention, want to be famous, or want to write a book, or get people to know that I have / know how to make money so that I can do more business with them in the future, so I can make even more money.

yeah that true when u have method 1 u wil be happy ..but method 2 to help peopl by teaching them how to make money same when the teacher in school help student by teaching subjects, both cases u r paying in the seminar or in the school .. are the school making money from method 2 :D .. also another things .. when u do right seminar is for good of every one who wanna change thier life .. but its still ur desicion ..


Everybody loves to quote a success story, it revs your engine and gets you going and you feel you can do anything in this world.

Everybody wants to become the next Bill Gates or Michael Dell, or Warren Buffett... but the thing is... you can go around telling a billion people in this world that everybody can be like them, and the truth may be that they -can- end up like these successful people, but over the past 10-20 years, how many Bill Gates do we have so far? Did everyone in OmegaTrend end up as rich as their boss, if not, was it because they worked less hard? Even in the MLM world, things always work out best for those at the top? :confused: :confused: :confused:

who said that over the past 10-20 yrs no body become like Bill Gates or Warrent Buffet ? there many many people are rich becoz they learn from Bill Gates or Warrent Buffet experinces .. as i stated before when u attend Mahathir seminar is not to become PM but to become Good Leader .. same here attending Warrent Buffet not to become 2nd rich man in the world but to become good trader & investor .. In USA so many Millionares (thousands of millionares) and every millionare has at least 1 Investment strategy in stock (means they learn from Warrent Buffet) ..but its not nessecry to become as rich as him .. being millionares learning from 2nd rich man it already success .. (u can not stay in Africa for 10 years to be black man but u can talk, act & behave like them got my point)

Yeah I agree that not everyone in Omegatrend are rish as thier boss becoz the biz is not for everybody and not the cup of tea of everybody .. but there many are well succesfull (go and attend their semianrs or convention) I am not promoting Omegatrend here coz i am not even member with them .. in fact I did join them for 6 months but it was not my cup of tea ..then i look for other biz which what i am doing now .. (I earn almost what Omegatrend leader earns now) sorry i am not promoting again ..

[dodyann]

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Having said that...allow Orchi to ask...generally wage earners..professionals or otherwise..business entrepreneurs...real estate agents...mutual funds agents...insurance agents...financial planners... multilevelmarketers ...networkmarkets...directsellers...etc...how would you else explain that their income levels differ from each other in their respective companies...organizations or fields?

becoz they think positivly, outside the box, took thier jobs/biz in to practice and did their homework ..so they earn according to thier area ..but all are happy .. when u ask MLM guy to join Insurnace industry or u ask real estate agent to join another biz ..they wont join coz they are happy with what they do even income is differ .. Maybe realestate agent can earn about $10K per month but MLM guy earn $20K ..both have their cup of tea and happy with it .. so cant ask realestate agent to join MLM even he got very good network .. ( can Math teacher become BM teacher just like that) or (can Best Engineering student to become successful if he change to Medical course in his final year)

the goals of those people is making money ..so if u happy with ur money and already achive what u think is ur goal is good enough to be call successful testimonial ..

[totoro]

Yeah I agree that not everyone in Omegatrend are rish as thier boss becoz the biz is not for everybody and not the cup of tea of everybody .. but there many are well succesfull (go and attend their semianrs or convention) I am not promoting Omegatrend here coz i am not even member with them .. in fact I did join them for 6 months but it was not my cup of tea ..then i look for other biz which what i am doing now .. (I earn almost what Omegatrend leader earns now) sorry i am not promoting again ..

Good for you Mr dodyann, and because you agree with those successful people who are benevolently teaching newbies their secrets, how about you share your knowledge and secrets here in an open public forum with everyone? Don't charge any fees, coz I'm sure they don't mean anything to you right? Just peanuts to you mah... :D

I also think everybody is able to reach their maximum potential and that many have not. I think point in life is to be happy, healthy and satisfied with your life, regardless of what other people think (unless you're being a public nuisance of coz! :p )

If got interesting 'lubang' to make money, be sure to tell Totoro first, k?

Totoro
on-the-lookout-for-lubang

[dodyann]

Good for you Mr dodyann, and because you agree with those successful people who are benevolently teaching newbies their secrets, how about you share your knowledge and secrets here in an open public forum with everyone? Don't charge any fees, coz I'm sure they don't mean anything to you right? Just peanuts to you mah... :D

I also think everybody is able to reach their maximum potential and that many have not. I think point in life is to be happy, healthy and satisfied with your life, regardless of what other people think (unless you're being a public nuisance of coz! :p )

If got interesting 'lubang' to make money, be sure to tell Totoro first, k?

Totoro
on-the-lookout-for-lubang

I agree with u about the point of life is be happy, healthy and satisfied with your life .. as long as u are happy with what u earn, get and have no healt problem .. u should thank God for that .. :D

I have no problem teaching u or showing ur lubang of making money .. In fact, I help some of my freind by showing them some lubang ..now they earn more than what I earn hehehe .. about sharing here my secrets I think its againest the forum rule by promoting.. Just breifly I am involve in Internet Investment that really paid me .. I bought my first ever Kelisa by paying (RM2x,xxx d/p) and I change my small flate to Condominuim ..its ok good changes in my life .. but still working to achive other big goals :D nice to talk with u Totoro

[totoro]

I think this "know who" thingey shd not be stretched beyond its elastic limit. Oftentimes u start with not knowing a person and you create situations to get to know. After that, that person is someone you know and a potential. I appreciate totoro allowing that know-who, luck & opportunity are not the be all and end all of all success.
I think orchi is also right when he implies that while opportunities can be created sweat i.e. effort cant be discounted.
Basically "Effort shd be directly proportional to dreams" _ Yaro's Theory

Yup, networks, luck and opportunity is never be all and end all... (Totoro wants to stress he just added a few more to Orchi's longer list). :p

Effort and attitude is of coz very important.

Syed Mokhtar was already successful before he got to know Tun M.

[totoro]

An excerpt from a review of a local investor's book - Milan Doshi:

Thursday, July 29, 2004

Getting rich via properties, stocks

Who is this man? Read the book and Doshi will tell you that he is an independent financial trainer from Singapore and the founder of Malaysia’s “first and biggest financial seminars on personal money management, property and stock market investments since 1998.”

It helps that Doshi is a seasoned speaker on investing, as one suspects he writes the way he speaks. Moreover, the book is also a good base for parents to teach teenage children financial literacy.

The gist: Build a strong foundation first by investing in yourself to improve financial intelligence. Read widely, attend workshops and seek out mentors or excellent financial advisors so that you can tune into the millionaire’s mindset.

“When money comes, it will not only remain with you, but it will grow and multiply. Hence, you have to learn how to be an investor if you want to become wealthy,” says Doshi.

Teamwork makes a millionaire. A millionaire surrounds himself with a trusted network of financial advisors such as bankers, valuers, lawyers, remisiers, insurance agents, tax consultants and property negotiators, and acts on their advice.

What's particularly interesting in the closing chapters is the art of crisis investing, one of eight stock market investment strategies Doshi teaches in his RM4,980 seminars.

Doshi claims that investment strategies such as “buy and hold” and dollar-cost averaging no longer work although he qualifies the statement by saying buy and hold still applies for a few defensive stocks.

Doshi has delivered what he set out to do in his first book, though one would have like to know the other seven stock tips he has held back for the seminars. No sense in cannibalising the main revenue stream.

[aroki]

Sorry guys about this long post in by first time .. I welcome any comments ..and sorry id i made any mistakes that hurts anybody there ..

I hope u will accept my first post :D

dodyann,

welcome on board..my comments... are you trying too hard to be humble and getting the spelling wrong or trying to write bad english?be your true self man..lets talk over TT..teh tarik tongkat ali on me :D Like to hear your experience on this.

[aroki]

Good for you Mr dodyann, and because you agree with those successful people who are benevolently teaching newbies their secrets, how about you share your knowledge and secrets here in an open public forum with everyone? Don't charge any fees, coz I'm sure they don't mean anything to you right? Just peanuts to you mah... :D


dodyann,

this is great idea. give us a public seminar..no advertisement or promoting of your bis..just on what it takes to be successful and your experience. I'm sure if that is the objective, we can talk to the moderator and organise on. face to face is more motivational.

[dodyann]

dodyann,

welcome on board..my comments... are you trying too hard to be humble and getting the spelling wrong or trying to write bad english?be your true self man..lets talk over TT..teh tarik tongkat ali on me :D Like to hear your experience on this.

sorry my freind .. I always made wrong spelling becoz of my kayboard and my hurry writing .. sorry again about it.. hehehe ..

[dodyann]

dodyann,

this is great idea. give us a public seminar..no advertisement or promoting of your bis..just on what it takes to be successful and your experience. I'm sure if that is the objective, we can talk to the moderator and organise on. face to face is more motivational.

Yeah it great idea ..but i am kind of person that a bit shy to come to the stage and talk :p (malu la ) ..

but still I have not achive my goals or dreams .. anyway I am always open minded :D

[aroki]

Yeah it great idea ..but i am kind of person that a bit shy to come to the stage and talk :p (malu la ) ..

but still I have not achive my goals or dreams .. anyway I am always open minded :D

dodyann :D

you should be quoting from kane&abel or shakespeare my friend..I can feel it that you have that ability ;) you are still try(ing) too hard to type wrong(ly).successful ppl are not shy..other feelings maybe but not shy. I guess one goal has (been) achieve(d) on this forum.. ;)

signing of(f)..have better think(g)s to do..good luck dodyann aka.....? :eek:

my tips on wrong english without the brackets.BTW I guess gates must know the pareto rule too. :) sayonara!!! :p

[Joe Gomez]

Hi dodyann welcome ........ you are handling yourself like a pro man.
We need bloggers like you. You say things as they are ..... and say them without trying to decorate them with flowery language.
Where were you all these years, man.

aroki, sorry to differ lah. My personal opinion is that dodyann doesnt need to give a talk. ( Dont lah ..... he says he is shy ..... so no need lah ) We will benefit greatly if he continues to post his thoughts on this forum cukup lah.
Pls come for the TT sessions, dodyann.
I for one wld be happy to meet up with someone so "charged" & with so much "uummmpphh". U c .... I m in the insurance business & draw inspiration from everyone in direct selling profession or, as in your case internet investment. Thats why I like to rub shoulders with orchi ..... he is so very "charged" with his line of business he, w/o realising, convinces me more & more that I personally am in the right profession. His enthusiasm is infectious !! tan_r as well ...... I like reading his posts for the same reason.

[aroki]

joe,

you are right. I take it all back.you are more level headed and full of wisdom guy. So will need to take your advise. lets enjoy the TT, should be driving back from penang on that day.

arigato Joe san. :D

[totoro]

Hi dodyann welcome ........ you are handling yourself like a pro man.
We need bloggers like you. You say things as they are ..... and say them without trying to decorate them with flowery language.
Where were you all these years, man.

aroki, sorry to differ lah. My personal opinion is that dodyann doesnt need to give a talk. ( Dont lah ..... he says he is shy ..... so no need lah ) We will benefit greatly if he continues to post his thoughts on this forum cukup lah.
Pls come for the TT sessions, dodyann.
I for one wld be happy to meet up with someone so "charged" & with so much "uummmpphh". U c .... I m in the insurance business & draw inspiration from everyone in direct selling profession or, as in your case internet investment. Thats why I like to rub shoulders with orchi ..... he is so very "charged" with his line of business he, w/o realising, convinces me more & more that I personally am in the right profession. His enthusiasm is infectious !! tan_r as well ...... I like reading his posts for the same reason.

I also like to meet ppl who are positively charged and energetic. :) Even more, I like to meet people who are rich and successful, erm... but of coz also everyone who are friendly, kind, cheerful, approachable, helpful, etc....!

It is true that those in the sales, especially direct sales business, needs a lot of 're-charging' to keep going... it can be a very depressing career to be in, where the rate of rejection is very high... those who manage to break through and persevere often end up quite successful... i truly respect these people. *hats off*


Totoro
still-looking-for-his-lubang-master

[Joe Gomez]

I guess the next TT is on 4th March.
dodyann, I look forward to meeting you, as I am sure are all guys in direct sales ....... tan_r, orchi, myself, who else ? ...... I donno lah.

[dodyann]

Hi dodyann welcome ........ you are handling yourself like a pro man.
We need bloggers like you. You say things as they are ..... and say them without trying to decorate them with flowery language.
Where were you all these years, man.

aroki, sorry to differ lah. My personal opinion is that dodyann doesnt need to give a talk. ( Dont lah ..... he says he is shy ..... so no need lah ) We will benefit greatly if he continues to post his thoughts on this forum cukup lah.
Pls come for the TT sessions, dodyann.
I for one wld be happy to meet up with someone so "charged" & with so much "uummmpphh". U c .... I m in the insurance business & draw inspiration from everyone in direct selling profession or, as in your case internet investment. Thats why I like to rub shoulders with orchi ..... he is so very "charged" with his line of business he, w/o realising, convinces me more & more that I personally am in the right profession. His enthusiasm is infectious !! tan_r as well ...... I like reading his posts for the same reason.


Thanks Joe Gomez for ur nice opinion about me (u even make me lagi malu la) & thanks aroki, totoro, for welcoming me :D .. (baru masuk dah buat bising2) ... about TT no problem .. can u give me some details since u guys are already know each other I am the new man here :D .. but dont be suprise coz I am still young (25 yrs) married man & have (1.5 yrs old) doughter .. nati datang TT all are senior & experienced people .. (malu jugak) ..

[dodyann]

I guess the next TT is on 4th March.
dodyann, I look forward to meeting you, as I am sure are all guys in direct sales ....... tan_r, orchi, myself, who else ? ...... I donno lah.

oo u guys are in direct sales .. oo very good .. I realy respect those who are building thier dreams from these respectable jobs .. and mixing with u guys will increased my knowledge & experiences ..that cool ..

[Joe Gomez]

yea..............(Many school students who learn mathematic from Math teacher become also maths teacher.. why ? )
............
U dont mind I pull ur leg a bit lah, dodyann-san ???
I learn Science fr science teacher,
maths from maths teacher,
english from english teacher,
bahasa malaysia fr BM teacher,
geography fr geography teacher .....
aiyaaaaaah ..... now i noe why i so confyuse one ....... now i noe y i dont noe where i came from & somemoe where i m going .....
Poor me ........... hehehehehe ;) ;) ;) ;)

[dodyann]

U dont mind I pull ur leg a bit lah, dodyann-san ???
I learn Science fr science teacher,
maths from maths teacher,
english from english teacher,
bahasa malaysia fr BM teacher,
geography fr geography teacher .....
aiyaaaaaah ..... now i noe why i so confyuse one ....... now i noe y i dont noe where i came from & somemoe where i m going .....
Poor me ........... hehehehehe ;) ;) ;) ;)

what i ment here when the student learn math with that teacher then he feel that subject is the best one and he like it so much ..so he will start studying from that day till the university then he become math teacher .. at the same time he learn other subjects but he did not feel the same as he felt with math subject.. he attended all classes then one of them pull him to explore deeply ..same when you attend many talks & seminars about MLM , Stock trading , Insurance , Online biz & etc but one of them will attract you so you will be successfull if you do ur homework well :D .. and what u said will prove that man can not join all biz to make money only one of them :D

[Joe Gomez]

what i ment here when the student learn math with that teacher then he feel that subject is the best one and he like it so much ..so he will start studying from that day till the university then he become math teacher .. at the same time he learn other subjects but he did not feel the same as he felt with math subject.. he attended all classes then one of them pull him to explore deeply ..same when you attend many talks & seminars about MLM , Stock trading , Insurance , Online biz & etc but one of them will attract you so you will be successfull if you do ur homework well :D .. and what u said will prove that man can not join all biz to make money only one of them :D
Said like one well beyond your 25 years of age dodyann ..... well done.
And somemoe u say u shy one ah ???? Cannot be lah .... u will put a lot of us so-called seniors to shame judging by the manner u are handling yourself so far, man.
Now I am really looking forward to meeting you. Dont dissappoint us lah. CHEERS !!

[Joe Gomez]

I also like to meet ppl who are positively charged and energetic. :) Even more, I like to meet people who are rich and successful, erm... but of coz also everyone who are friendly, kind, cheerful, approachable, helpful, etc....!

It is true that those in the sales, especially direct sales business, needs a lot of 're-charging' to keep going... it can be a very depressing career to be in, where the rate of rejection is very high... those who manage to break through and persevere often end up quite successful... i truly respect these people. *hats off*


Totoro
still-looking-for-his-lubang-master

SPOT ON , Man.
Couldn't agree with u more.
Found lubang yet or not .... or are u waiting to meet up with dodyann and explore lubang together with dodyann ???
dodyann, sorry bro, pulling your kaki lagi lah !!

Cheers !!

[dodyann]

hahahahaha ..everybody looking for lubang duit ..but you all got already your own lubang ..and your lubang may not be good one to other lubang seekers :D

[totoro]

hahahahaha ..everybody looking for lubang duit ..but you all got already your own lubang ..and your lubang may not be good one to other lubang seekers :D

my fren keep telling me my lubang is getting to be 6 feet wide and 6 feet deep...

[dodyann]

my fren keep telling me my lubang is getting to be 6 feet wide and 6 feet deep...

that good what .. ur 6 feet wide & 6 feet deep means u duit 6 figures hahaha :p

[totoro]

that good what .. ur 6 feet wide & 6 feet deep means u duit 6 figures hahaha :p

debt 6 figure ada-lah... :rolleyes:

[dodyann]

dept 6 figures but earn 6 times 6 figures :D