Don't Sweat The Small Stuff [Archive] - United Subang Jaya Web Forum

vsat

14-01-2005, 03:43 PM

The recent 2 hour blackout in Peninsula Malaysia irritated a lot of people and most of them made a big hoo haas abt it.
I've got 5 words for these pampered bunch "Don't Sweat The Small Stuff"
For crying out loud, it's only 2-3 hours. Have a bit of adventure and excitement!!!...what r u guys gonna do? Play with your nuts the entire life?
Seriously, my job takes me to places where there's only electricity for
6 hours of the day and everybody's fine.
They also get up, go to work, have their 3 square meals a day and go to bed...
Remember, don't sweat the small stuff.

trifecta

14-01-2005, 03:53 PM

You are right VSAT, sometimes we lose sight of how lucky we are. I remember while I was away for close to 6 months in Sarawak and happened on some remote villages near the Bakun dam. Those guys only have electricity for 4 hours aday, fuel permitting from 6-10 then it's lights out. Thinking about how those guys tough it out and how relatively comfortable I am really stops me from bit***** about the electricity going down.

Joe Gomez

14-01-2005, 04:03 PM

People tend to mould their way of life around ( apart from many, a great many, other things ) available amenities. Electricity being one and avery important one.
It would be unfair to imply or label complaints about the disruption of electricity as being cries from spoilt people or from people making much ado about nothing.
Imagine all those very critical activities that have come to be dependent on the availability ( and on the assurances given about the continued availability ) of electricity.

JackRyan1975

14-01-2005, 04:46 PM

I don't think consumers should be penalised for complaining about about an electricity outage. We are talking about monetary losses for many businesses/industries among other inconveniences.

We should also be comparing our utility services to first world nations, not kampung places with little or no electricity. TNB shd be setting its bars higher, not lower.

To trivialise such matter is to take lightly issues of national security, investor confidence, and the economy as a whole.

lord

14-01-2005, 05:22 PM

Totally agree with bro joe. Bruder vsat, 15mins of power failure to an incubator can cause a lillte neonate to die! In an era when most of our appliances run on electricity, you are bound to be a slave to it, like it or not. Too bad for the guys in remote areas, i've been to Bakun and lived in the jungle, you just got to bite bullet whether you like it or not.

On the other hand, there are some of us, unlike yourself, bitch about the extra dollars and cents TNB wishes to increase to its customers. We take things like what happened yesterday as a reference as to why TNB has to increase its tariff when we still get blackouts which affects a few states!! Probably unlike yourself, we are all wage earners at the mercy of 'suckers' like TNB, who monopolise the power industry, feel the pinch.

trifecta

14-01-2005, 05:40 PM

lord, you've got a point, but I think there are ppl out there who go on complaining of the millions of dollars that are lost, lives that are lost, businesses that go under etc when the real issues are they feel uncomfortable because their airconditioning or streamxy just went out, they dont really care about the bigger picture just looking for reasons to justify their venting. There are quite a number of ppls like these around, they vent at coffeeshops and at forums (not here anyway :) ) and I think vsat was addressing these sort of ppl. Like i said, i used to be like that, but after i saw how ppl coped without electricity at all i just knuckled up and puffed away.

pcyeoh

14-01-2005, 05:47 PM

vsat

14-01-2005, 05:57 PM

trifecta

14-01-2005, 06:03 PM

That's what I'm talking about. A lot of you guys like to complain about everything, the police here, our rescue team in Aceh, the traffic, Jaring not good, Telekom not good, our politicians suck, this system not good , that system not good.......excethra, excethra, excethra.

Just deal with it...Traffic bad at Summit in the morning- leave the house at
6:30am.... No Streamyx at home-don't buy home without Streamyx exchange nearby or utilise Wifi..... whatever it is....don't sweat the small stufff, man.

..... and leave the millions lost to the big business to seek compensation from TNB themselves, for the ppl who nearly lost their lives to file lawsuits against TNB. The amount of ppl I saw yesterday swearing and condemming everything Malaysian just becos they were soaked in their shirts becos of the loss of airconditioning or because they have to cancel their dinner dates was unbelivable.

Joe Gomez

17-01-2005, 10:28 AM

Conclusions drawn on the whole, from a narrow sampling, is not fair, is illogical and does not get anyone anywhere.
To that extent I agree with you vsat & trifecta.
Hence, belly aching when unfounded should be viewed with a healthy measure of distrust.

At the core is " whether or not the complaint is well founded ". It is my opinion that for the complaint to be well founded, the complainant need not have personally experienced the loss.
If the media says that millions have been lost by manufacturers and a forumer says " S*** THATS BAD ", the complainant should not be castigated for opinions expressed purely because the complainant did not personally loose the millions. Further I dont think it should matter whether the complainant is driven solely by petty fact that his/her hairdryer/PC/electric oven went on the blink during the power outage and it did not cost millions.

Having said that, back to the topic ..............
Tenaga is not an arm of the government. Tenaga is a (near)monopoly. Tenaga has had similar experiences in the past. The Minister had assured at that time that it wont happen again.
If someone does not stop and say " WAIT A DARN MINUTE TENAGA. WHO ARE U TRYING TO FIB, BRO ? " ............ how else can the public hold these corporations to account ?
btw, my hairdryer, PC, electric oven survived the power outage. Absolutely no loss suffered in my household ............ I dont think that should make me the least qualified to comment and it would be unfair to view me therefore as a belly-aching, "hidden-agenda" having, "nothing-else-better-to-do-but-complain " type of individual.

orchipalar

17-01-2005, 11:54 AM

"A man without shoes will stop complaining when he sees another man without feet." So be gentle about all your complaints. I always pay more attention to complaints with suggestion/solutions that those empty vessels with microphones placed inside them.

Err...PCYeoh :) ...your comments n its comparison to this case is irrelevant...are you suggesting that everyone affected by the massive 3 hours power supply shutdown during peak hours of the day that almost cripple the central n southern peninsular malaysia...to shut up n go back to stone age? :D

Joe Gomez

17-01-2005, 12:49 PM

I dont know if pc was commenting about the vehemence of some comments/complaints rather than the contents of the complaints per se.

In any case, lets all allow the topic to flow without too much censure being heaped on the forumers for heaping deserved scorn/contempt/spite et cetera on monopolistic giants who have not met their commitments.

We should continue to call for account despite knowing that in the middle of the African Sahara in a village called Ungamunga, they have no electicity, and we are told, therefore to be thankful for what we have and the native Ungamungan does not.

orchipalar

17-01-2005, 01:09 PM

Ahem...don't sweat the small stuff?...tell that to the 3 millions of affected consumers in 5 major states for 5 hours. (http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/lks/jan05/lks3334.htm) :o

gotterdammerung

17-01-2005, 01:32 PM

Ehem...and er gotter's with Orchi and gotter says small stuffs to some are big things to others...poison to gotter is medicine to others....good to you is bad for gotter...It's not about taste but it's about how we have to take it when we use to blink our eyes in a place where electricity is everything, including blinking.

JackRyan1975

17-01-2005, 02:10 PM

To try and sound cool on a matter of great importance like electricity...is not cool to me.

Sounds more like apathy. Sounds like kids during my schooling time: "riiiiilek la....... aaalaaaamak ............ponteng je....bukannye apee........alaamaakk" :D

pcyeoh

17-01-2005, 02:40 PM

Let me see those who want to make a big noise join in any demonstration that may be organised should Tenaga refuses to compensate us. When I say be gentle, I do not mean to stop complaining and to accept it as fate. Sure, Tenaga can come up with a very robust distribution system but in the end the cost will still be borne by you and me and that will lead to another round of complaints about Tenaga is ripping off the subscribers when the raise their tariff. You may even suggest that we break their monopoly and introduce more service providers and like the telco, the players start to pick and choose their cherries. And when this happen, there will be another round of complaints for example why USJ 23-27 which together have less than 300 houses is deprived of electricity supply. Which power company wants to invest a miilion ringgit when there is no ROI in a thousand years.

Joe Gomez

17-01-2005, 03:29 PM

Competition is good. Monopoly is no good. No argument here.
The merry-go-round of complaints is healthy.

These complaints do not, by any stretch of the imagination, necessarily mean the following :
(1) that the complainant is a rabble rouser
(2) that the complainant is a dog in the manger
(3) that the complainant's sole intention is to be rude & inconsiderate
(4) that the complainant can do a better job than Tenaga chappies
(5) that all other utilities ( about which the complaint isnt ) are being run super-efficiently
(6) that the complainant has a hidden agenda

Pardon me, I was on a roll there ...

But basically I wanted to list out all typical accusations levelled at complainants so as to kill thought/opinions et cetera ...... these are what I collectively call " opinion suppressants ".

Tenaga is a bluddy pubic listed company, for goodness sake.

wildbill

17-01-2005, 03:33 PM

JackRyan1975

17-01-2005, 03:38 PM

Great points, JoeGomez and Wildbill ;)

lord

17-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Now, wildbill, that was nasty, baby!!! ;)

trifecta

17-01-2005, 03:57 PM

For those said never mind the 3 hours blackout..

Next time I hope you will excounter the following:
1. "lock-up" in your car for at least three hours in the hot mid-day sun and looking for a toilet to poo-poo.
2. The medical equipments you need it the most stop running.
3. You have to throw all the raw materials away in the machine because they were half cook.
4. You have an important deadline and your client is chasing you every minutes.

Of cause you can be cool if:
1. Justify as fate for you to take extra lunch time.
2. Like a kid, means no responsibility whatsoever.

Wildbill, with the exception of 2 and 4 I will not get pissed but i did not hit out at ppl who have legitimate complaints, nor should you hit out at ppl who have extremely high tolerance levels. All the blackout did was just deprived me of my airconditioning and set back my work quite a bit, it was not serious enough to even make me cuss calling for heads, etc. Why? well because of the experiences i have related earlier. Do I say everybody who complains are whiners losers cant see the big picture kind of ppl? NO! If you feel strongly about national security, loss of investment or big businesses bullying us go , go ahead and vent but if you are just b***** for the sake of b******* because you are sweating or you just lost your internet connection while leisure surfing and equating this MINOR discomforts to life and death then my earlier posts and I think vsat's as well (cant say i speak for him) goes out to those guys.

JackRyan1975

17-01-2005, 04:03 PM

If you feel strongly about national security, loss of investment ...

Erm...I think that was my view...not wildbill's, to be fair to him :D

trifecta

17-01-2005, 04:05 PM

Erm...I think that was my view...not wildbill's, to be fair to him :D

Hehe wasnt refering to you either pal, just something i overhead at lunch by some schumck who was complaining how hot and sticky he felt then digressed to how we were "open" to attacks and how consumer confidence was eroded (he event cited a figure of 10 million per hour just in Putrajaya alone dun know where he got that figure from).

wildbill

17-01-2005, 04:12 PM

JackRyan1975

17-01-2005, 04:12 PM

Hehe wasnt refering to you either pal, just something i overhead at lunch by some schumck who was complaining how hot and sticky he felt then digressed to how we were "open" to attacks and how consumer confidence was eroded (he event cited a figure of 10 million per hour just in Putrajaya alone dun know where he got that figure from).

Chill pal....we should be thankful that there is still freedom of speech at eating places. :D

trifecta

17-01-2005, 04:15 PM

What I am trying to say is.... It is not act of God.... It is man make and should not be happening......

Please read the articles:

http://www.mggpillai.com/article.php3?sid=2061

http://www.mggpillai.com/article.php3?sid=2062

Understood wildbill, this allegations have been running around and who nows but there may be some truth to it but just 1 measly transmission line theory class in university does not make me an electrical engineer and i dont think i am qualified enought to make any judgements just on that 1 article, but spare some thought to TNB, i mean the most sophisticated monitoring system in the world means nothing when your entire screen turns red becos 75% of the penisula is down.

IF and only IF the fault was discovered to be extraordinary and they managed to get it down in 3 hours well hats off to them for doing what they were expected to do, no more no less.

Incidentally, i was in Singapore when they had 1 1/2 hour blackout last year (think it was in August) an they had pinpointed it to a faulty valve about a week later and also like us their backup didnt work. Food for thought that our super efficient neighbours also are working on roughlythe same recovery time as us.

vsat

17-01-2005, 05:17 PM

gnehkgnep

17-01-2005, 06:43 PM

All being said should not be an excuse by TNB to justify another round of blackout. Do they consider if consumers unable to settle their electricity bills?? NO........we should not tolerate such kinda poor service when in fact we pay for our electricity and their service.

Such is my answer to justify complaint aganst TNB:

1) They monopolised the entire power utilities.

2) With some substancial government backing (GLCs), they know one incident will cause great inconvenience to all yet they PROMISE BIG!!

3) Are we born to succumb to great power and just keep our bloody mouth shut when our own interest is jeopardized/threaten??

4) Pls bear in mind that as consumers, we have the right to complain and to call us whiners just make all of us losers!!!

5) Some may argue that life at the other side is worst........have u work b4 near a furnace burning at 5,000 deg. celsius and doing some maintenance for 8 hours with occasionally carbons and dust falls on u...??? Just try it at some steel producing factories and u may just regret saying that!!!

Hope some of us do not resort to call others whiners just b'coz we are equip better to face such adversity if that condition to them is such. Like some of us, if we never taste something, we will never noe what life will be.....just let them fret and when times come......they just have to live through it.......like it or not........by calling others names don't make us any better than them...... :D .........my advice..........be happy with what we r and let others fret all they want since it is no other ppl business but they alone.......

JackRyan1975

18-01-2005, 09:42 AM

Heard over the radio news today that TNB would go ahead with its plans to hike its tariff, and that the blackout is not a hindrance to its plans.

So there you have it...don't sweat the small stuff, from TNB's point of view :D

So the TNB apologists here should tell TNB that it's perfectly allright to have blackouts every now and then, and should hike its tariff as well coz most of us can never generate electricity even if we want to. :D

wildbill

18-01-2005, 10:27 AM

Instead of complaining , we could actually educate...to the little ones....our sons and daughters..instead of hearing their father complain the inefficiency of TNB, they should be hearing things like " U know, boys and girls, there are some parts of the world that does not use electricity, see how lucky we are...eventhough the power's been cut and we are being uncomfortable, we have to deal with it the best that we can. Let us go through this slight uncomfort in a positive way.

Children with this kind of tolerance will grow up to be better human beings and tougher....tougher than Wild Bill.

Whiners are losers

I don't discuss this non-issue with my children.

Vsat :D , you also can share with you children about many children didn't have enough food to eat, not enough cloth to cover their body, bare footed, no school to attend, abuse by the adult, etc......

I didn't mind the little small thing you just stated. Please do not bring out the disconfort factor. That is not the point. I am driving a point of responsibility and accountability for a public listed company which earned almost billion RM a year. Tell me, what do they learn and what is the plan to prevent the same fisco not to happen again? :mad:

I do understand, we can't prevent black-out due to murphy's law but the TNB should prevent the black-out affected so many states. :mad:

JackRyan1975

18-01-2005, 10:41 AM

I didn't mind the little small thing you just stated. Please do not bring out the disconfort factor. That is not the point. I am driving a point of responsibility and accountability for a public listed company which earned almost billion RM a year. Tell me, what do they learn and what is the plan to prevent the same fisco not to happen again? :mad:

Wildbill, I realise the majority of Malaysians do not think like you (or me) do. You know, as in politics of third world countries, it is the matters or ricebowl which determines which party wins, and not matters of transparency, foreign policy etc. So, many people (the majority) cannot comprehend what you're trying to say, mainly due to their apathy. Many can't even name our 4 previous PMs. So we can only sit back and talk about the big issues while apathetic people come pecking at our backs on small matters. Just a general observation and not intended to anyone. :D

orchipalar

18-01-2005, 10:45 AM

Ahem...it was reported yesterday in the ChinaPress daily(no online news so no cut n paste...you have to take Orchi's words as it is)...TNB still is inconclusive in their investigation as to how the recent 5 hours x 5 States grandfather of all blackout had happened...err...in Orchi's 2 sens term...they don't even have a freaking clue as to why it happened!...they don't have any clue about what the heck they are going to do otherthan telling us millions of affected consumers now...sorry!...no sweat!... oh!...guess what...we have to charge you more despite all that from now... :rolleyes:

Dear Joe Gomez :) ...Orchi loves this country too...having an ex-minister of the same ministry before to sit in the chair of TNB - the largest privatized GLC...is nothing by comparison...when the SonInLaw of our current PM...so happens has total control over it now...is no bluddy sweat to anyone also! :rolleyes:

wildbill

18-01-2005, 10:46 AM

Wildbill, I realise the majority of Malaysians do not think like you (or me) do. You know, as in politics of third world countries, it is the matters or ricebowl which determines which party wins, and not matters of transparency, foreign policy etc. So, many people (the majority) cannot comprehend what you're trying to say, mainly due to their apathy. Many can't even name our 4 previous PMs. So we can only sit back and talk about the big issues while apathetic people come pecking at our backs on small matters. Just a general observation and not intended to anyone. :D

Yah loh, then they turn around and bitch about other thing else. And they still wonder why ppl behave like that. :rolleyes:

JackRyan1975

18-01-2005, 10:54 AM

Yah loh, then they turn around and bitch about other thing else. And they still wonder why ppl behave like that. :rolleyes:

Hehe...the irony is some people bitch about what the guy sitting at the next table is 'bitching' about when the guy was actually discussing the impact of the blackout on the economy. :D

trifecta

18-01-2005, 02:01 PM

Hehe...the irony is some people bitch about what the guy sitting at the next table is 'bitching' about when the guy was actually discussing the impact of the blackout on the economy. :D

Hey Jack i thought we were cool, whats up with this?? :confused:

I am merely speaking up at the schmucks that comprises the apathic and unable to comprehend lot that you mentioned about who wouldnt even give a damn about the bigger picture making noises and cussing ppl who go on about the impact of economy when in most circumstances they cant be bothered yet they they are cussing cos they're sweaty. Dont think I was pointing fingers at you or wildbill. Just becos i'm tolerant and in your words silent (makes me apathetic rite?) does not make me a tidak apa mofo, i've said it in the enforcement by faggots thread, organise a petition and i'll sign it, anybody wants to band together and make our feelings heard i'll be there. PERIOD. Push comes to shove this silent and apathetic guy will be there. A silent majority is not symbolic of a majority of apathy.

And on another thing, has any of you guys actually replied to PCyeoh's post and answered his ROI statement? Afraid cos he's the moderator and i'm a guy who actually got red carded?

JackRyan1975

18-01-2005, 02:16 PM

Hey Jack i thought we were cool, whats up with this?? :confused:

trifecta, I'm cool man...no hard feelings ok? Just couldn't resist a jab at this boring office at this *yawn* time of the day. Nothing personal ler...ok? :D

By the way, you got redcarded? For what offence? Thought he has the same line of thought as you do?

About ROI...didn't really think about a response. I just feel that TNB as the monopolistic electrictricity supplier should do some national service and provide uninterrupted supply rather than thinking bout ROI. At least the new CEO should cover his back first before moving forward :D

I' ll leave questions on ROI to TNB's shareholders at its AGM. So i'm answering as a consumer who wants electricity wherever I go, and am not qualified to comment on ROI coz i'm not a shareholder.

pcyeoh

18-01-2005, 02:35 PM

Hi trifecta. When I read from your posting that I am a moderator, I thought I have struck a lottery. I was taken by total surprise that indeed I am when I checked my status after reading your statement. I did not pay any sen to be bestowed with this title. In fact given a choice, I would not want to be one for one simple reason - I want to be free. Honestly, I am not aware of this. I think KW Chang or even Jeff need to come forward to explain. I lost my moderator status three years ago when someone asked "Who is to moderate the moderator?" when I posted something controversial as I dared to swim against the current over the issue of Chinese school. My symphathy to you for receiving a red card. I have nothing to do with it.

trifecta

18-01-2005, 02:40 PM

Nah wasnt your fault PC, got my red card for "sparring" with Virgilce i think.

Anywho for me thread is closed, unless Wildbill has anything else that he disagrees with what I had posted??

gnehkgnep

18-01-2005, 03:05 PM

Just wondering where is Virgilce..............long time didn't hear........most probably retire young and rich liao...........hehehe :D

wildbill

18-01-2005, 05:08 PM

Nah wasnt your fault PC, got my red card for "sparring" with Virgilce i think.

Anywho for me thread is closed, unless Wildbill has anything else that he disagrees with what I had posted??

Hi trifecta, :D ,

From the beginning, our intention was not to pick a fight with you. You have your opion and I have mine. Is just JackRyan1975 and I are like minded in this case, we might have our own opinion in other topic in the future.

Please don't get personal, in this forum, no winner or loser, we just speak our mind and no name calling. I don't think JackRyan1975 and I guilty in name calling :rolleyes: