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orchipalar
17-12-2004, 08:52 AM
Highway project to go on
BY A. LETCHUMANAN

PETALING JAYA: The Government will go ahead with the proposed RM160mil elevated highway which will link the Federal Highway with Subang Jaya and USJ and also ease traffic congestion.

Works Minister Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu said that the Subang-Kelana link is expected to be completed in two years and would facilitate the smooth flow of traffic from Subang Jaya and USJ.

“Work on the two-way, four-lane highway is expected to start soon despite protests from some residents who are not happy with the link,” he said after visiting the site in Jalan Kewajipan yesterday.

Samy Vellu said the Government intended to provide for better traffic dispersal in Subang Jaya but some wereprotesting that the highway should not be built in front of their houses.

“They do not want the highway in front of their house but they want better traffic dispersal.

“I don't mind making some people unhappy as long as the majority are happy,” he said.

Samy Vellu said there would be no land acquisition or any demolition of the existing houses as the road reserve area would be used for the highway.

The link would start near the Kesas junction in Subang, pass Subang Jaya Medical Centre, IBM and exit at Glenmarie for traffic to the Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah airport and another exit to the Federal Highway.

Traffic on the opposite side would come from the Federal Highway, pass IBM and head towards Jalan Kewajipan before getting down in a ramp.

To a question, Samy Vellu said there had been constant discussions with the residents associations before the final decision was made.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/12/17/nation/9685220&sec=nation

wildbill
17-12-2004, 10:33 AM
Samy Vellu said the Government intended to provide for better traffic dispersal in Subang Jaya but some wereprotesting that the highway should not be built in front of their houses.

“They do not want the highway in front of their house but they want better traffic dispersal.

“I don't mind making some people unhappy as long as the majority are happy,” he said.

Isn't this same excuse by the BN govt after 47 years. We, the "little ppl" always brush aside in the name of national interest and development?

Is our opinion of "little ppl" like us not counted in this Boleh Land :mad:

Gohead
17-12-2004, 11:05 AM
Just went through the attached snapshots of our daily newspapers in the web-forum threads entitled Law & Order, MyKad passport sold to foreigner, After PUAS now it’s SYABAS, Housing Local Government, The Winds Of Change, Here comes Samy, Higher Toll Rates, 47 years of Independence and many others.

These kinds of threads are more appropriate to be discussed and published into a dedicated ‘personal’ web-blog and it will then be used as a forum for discussing, commenting, addressing, expressing and condemning any national issues that bias or towards to negative, unhealthy or unproductive kind of personal view and perception.

I believe, most of the web-forum readers are from middle-fix-income class gainers that wish in the near future to have debt-free, own at least a USJ-corner-lot, saving at least RM500K, have a condo for weekend house, drive brand new non national cars, buy things using incoming money and not utilising current saving, fixed extra income from yearly dividends that capable to cover yearly household groceries plus children tuitions and schooling expenses.

I think, what we were doing and experiencing in this web-forum here is ‘day-in and day-out activities’ which similar mode/kind of posting are to be posted which are more expressing personal expression, dissatisfaction and discomfort as to reflect against the current so called ‘national interests and issues’.

I believe, in the near future, we’re still here still reading this community forum with the same state of mind-set without exploring the opportunities that derived from the happening incidents.

Joe Gomez
17-12-2004, 11:09 AM
One can do wonders with a 3/4 ths majority.
We gave that kind of majority to BN.
We are paying the price.

Now we buggers who voted for them are told that we are the "other people" that need not be made happy ( see headline news in NST 17th Dec ).

How much of the details of these sweeheart agreements does the general public already know ?
Why is this litany of complaints repeated every 3 years or so when it is time again for another increase ?
Didnt we know that this is what our reps had signed us into ?

Come on Malaysia ....... Malaysia Buta kah ?

Joe Gomez
17-12-2004, 11:16 AM
Samy's exact words from NST," If we try to make other people happy the Government would eventually lose RM38 billion.

Damn I luv this guy Samy.

Alexius Lim
17-12-2004, 11:55 AM
Samy's exact words from NST," If we try to make other people happy the Government would eventually lose RM38 billion.

Damn I luv this guy Samy.

Darn it... whats another 38 billion when the Government has squandered billions more in other far fetched grandiose plans... :D, I heard the state govt wanna build a SPACE PORT in Perak... :eek: Mebbe in anticipation for the first StarTrek federation ship to visit - :D ( Talk about gullible M'sians being sweet talked into, and conned by the MatSallehs into building this nonsense!!!)

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 12:03 PM
Err...Yes Dear...day in n day out...looney Orchi has been getting on n on...n going round n round...for good for nothing n waste of everybody's time in here...hehehe...but it has got to your personal attentions to have expressed your RARE n invaluable concerns...in here:

Quote: "I think, what we were doing and experiencing in this web-forum here is ‘day-in and day-out activities’ which similar mode/kind of posting are to be posted which are more expressing personal expression, dissatisfaction and discomfort as to reflect against the current so called ‘national interests and issues’.

I believe, in the near future, we’re still here still reading this community forum with the same state of mind-set without exploring the opportunities that derived from the happening incidents." End Quote.

Ahem...for that Orchi thanks you very much...err...it only goes to proof that more n more people are continuously reading the forum...n more n more are coming forward to express their thoughts n feelings on the daily issues being raised by other contributing forumers as well...

Err...having said that....Orchi has yet to get a reasonable answer to the earlier question...can somebody be kind to explain...where Orchi can find a TOLL FREE-route to n fro....KLIA from SJ/USJ....? :rolleyes:

Alexius Lim
17-12-2004, 12:05 PM
Err... Err...having said that....Orchi has yet to get a reasonable answer to the earlier question...can somebody be kind to explain...where Orchi can find a TOLL FREE-route to n fro....KLIA from SJ/USJ....? :rolleyes:

By helicopter can ah?.... :D

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 12:16 PM
Highway project to go on
BY A. LETCHUMANAN

PETALING JAYA: The Government will go ahead with the proposed RM160mil elevated highway which will link the Federal Highway with Subang Jaya and USJ and also ease traffic congestion.

Err...thanks for the pointers again...ahem...can somebody kind be able to let Orchi know whether...err...this proposed link is TOLL FREE or not? :confused: ...TQ :)

KelvC
17-12-2004, 12:31 PM
Highway project to go on
BY A. LETCHUMANAN

PETALING JAYA: The Government will go ahead with the proposed RM160mil elevated highway which will link the Federal Highway with Subang Jaya and USJ and also ease traffic congestion.

Err...thanks for the pointers again...ahem...can somebody kind be able to let Orchi know whether...err...this proposed link is TOLL FREE or not? :confused: ...TQ :)
Friend Orchi, with the highway pricetag is at RM160M, only Semi knows ;)

gotterdammerung
17-12-2004, 12:35 PM
Samy's taught us a very simple arithmetic:

" If we try to make OTHER PEOPLE happy the Government would eventually lose RM38 billion."

He meant making SOME OTHER PEOPLE sad by making the OTHER PEOPLE happy, the Government would eventually lose RM 38 billion!

So by making the OTHER PEOPLE sad and SOME OTHER PEOPLE happy, the government would not lose any money!

As long as the OTHER PEOPLE is sad and SOME OTHER PEOPLE is happy for 30 years or so, the Government would not lose RM 38 billion and SOME OTHER PEOPLE will help the government builds more highways to keep the OTHER PEOPLE sad so that the Government would not lose money forever!

SOME OTHER PEOPLE did not build highways to make the OTHER PEOPLE happy, but to make themselves happy to see the Government is happy to make the OTHER PEOPLE sad!

This is his logic about the Government from the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. Sacrifice the OTHER PEOPLE for the sake of SOME OTHER PEOPLE is not a BIG THING (said another minister) because after all we are all people, not ANIMALS!

wildbill
17-12-2004, 01:17 PM
With RM 38 billions, can the govt. buy over all toll companies? The next question is.... who is going to operate and manage them?????

This is another RM38 billions questions...

For national interest..... the BN govt. should do it. This is not new, look at the Putra and LRT. The govt. should do it this time. Or else, come to next election, I will joint Orchi and vote for you know who...... :rolleyes:

I am dead serious this time. :mad:

yokeimm
17-12-2004, 01:32 PM
Quote:
Err...thanks for the pointers again...ahem...can somebody kind be able to let Orchi know whether...err...this proposed link is TOLL FREE or not? ...TQ
Unquote.

orchi, ain't gonna happen.

pcyeoh
17-12-2004, 02:15 PM
The Subang-Kelana Link cannot be a tolled road. The distance is too short, the alternative route which is the current route are equally good and it is free and lastly the construction cost is coming from the Federal government. Morever during the last 2 years, it has been reiterated many times that it shall remain a toll free thoroughfare. The RM 160 million is a one time cost and I believe the money is coming from JKR as Jalan Kewajipan is a JKR road. This is the reason why Samy was here in Subang Jaya yesterday. Orchi called me yesterday saying that he saw a couple of Mercedes and BMWs in the vicinity of the USJ 2 Petronas station with MIB people and some in ties (all looking like cronies) holding plans and pointing fingers here, there and everywhere. He asked me what is cooking here. I then told him to calm down as these people are smelling for newly printed money at this junction. The YDP of MPSJ who, for the last 3 months, has no time to see his taxpayers was seen here joining the fun. I was told that there will be a interchange at this Giant traffic lights. Of course the traffic lights there are normal size lah. Just that Giant Hypermarket is around here. With the Interchange built, they will get rid of the traffic light here and those at the KESAS exit. So tomorrow, you can drive from NKVE up to Taipan blindfolded. The access to KESAS is going to be inside USJ 1 and so you now know why Maidin is there. This is going to be a very high traffic area. The road there will take you to TESCO at Puchong eventually when the TESCO-Subang Jaya Link is built. So we have here a Subang Parade-Carrefour-Summit Mall-Giant-Maidin-Tesco golden mile or alternatively Subang Parade-Carrefour-Summit Mall-Giant-Maidin-Carrefour golden mile (when the Rhythym Avenue service apartment is completed.) When everything is completed, we will have a situation in SJ/USJ where in Hokkien we say "mak beh jin kia" (even the mother cannot recognise her son) traffic situation. So Samy again will be making some people unhappy as long as the majority are happy. In this particular case, I will sokong him as this intra Subang Jaya project will definitely make many people people happy.

wildbill
17-12-2004, 03:00 PM
Hi PC, :D ,

From what you said, now I am happy to move from USJ2 to Kota Kemuning.

Anybody interested, couple of the houses in my area in up for sales. 22 x 75 , bu over 1800 sf for RM315,000. Five minutes walk to Primary and secondary school. Any taker?

KH EE
17-12-2004, 03:08 PM
DAP calls for a two-month deferment of the 10% NSE toll hike for MPs, trade unions, consumer organizations, civil society and motorists to study the unfair and lopsided NSE concession turning it into “cash cow” for PLUS at the expense of two generations of Malaysians – with DAP offering free legal and consultancy services to Works Ministry and Cabinet
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Works Minister, Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu, is back to his blustering self yesterday, declaring that the proposed 10 per cent toll hike for the North-South Expressway (NSE) will take effect from Jan 1 as planned.

He even tried to intimidate MPs and those who spoke up against the NSE toll hike, accusing them of seeking cheap publicity, as well as trying to silence and overawe them with “frightening” statistics, claiming that if the toll rates are not increased, the government would have to pay RM154 million in compensation a year to the expressway's concessionaire, PLUS.

Samy Vellu said: "If we stop the North-South Expressway toll hike it would be a big burden for the government. We would have to pay RM38 billion in compensation to PLUS over the next 33 years. This money could be utilised for other projects." (Bernama)

Many questions come to mind: Firstly, who asked Samy Vellu to sign, and why did he agree, to so unfair, one-sided and oppressive an expressway concession which is so lopsided against the interests of motorists and the public in requiring taxpayers through the government to compensate PLUS RM154 million a year and RM38 billion over the next 33 years if the 10% toll hike is not increased on 1.1.2005?

The second question is where Samy Vellu had learnt his maths – as compensation of RM154 million a year does not add up to a grand total of RM38 billion for the next 33 years – as the total is RM5 billion and not RM38 billion!

Thirdly, why must compensation be paid to PLUS for the next 33 years till 2038, when the 30-year NSE concession which started in May 1988 is to end in 2030 after a 12-yeasr extension in 1999? With another 25 years to run for the concession, at the compensation rate of RM154 million a year, the total compensation liable till the end of the concession is RM3.85 billion – one tenth of Samy Vellu’s hyperbolic claim of RM38 billion!

Or is there a secret compact that there would be another extension of the NSE concession, despite the earlier extension of the original 30-year NSE concession to 42 years?

I fully agree with Samy Vellu that compensating PLUS RM38 billion in lieu of the 10% toll hike is an unacceptable burden to the government and people, as the money could be utilized for other projects.

This makes Samy Vellu’s responsibility as the Minister who negotiated and signed the NSE concession and its variations all the more greater, and he owes the country a full and satisfactory explanation why he had mortgaged the rights and interests of two generations of Malaysians to one concessionaire, PLUS, with such one-sided, unfair and oppressive terms?

In fact, thanks to the government, PLUS is already rolling in billions of ringgit of compensation money for one reason or another. As reported by the New Straits Times, Samy Vellu told Parliament on 28th September 2004 that the government had paid out RM1.04 billion in compensation to highway concessionaires as part of efforts to reduce toll-rate increases over the five-year period from 1999-2004. Furthermore, the government had during the same five-year period provided RM10.8 billion in compensation to highway concessionaires to restructure their toll charges, with North-South Expressway the biggest beneficiary in getting the lion’s share to the tune of RM7.7 billion!

Samy Vellu’s return to his blustering self yesterday was the very contrast to his meek and humble demeanour in Parliament on Tuesday, when in the face of united opposition by MPs, both Barisan Nasional and the Opposition, to the 10 per cent NSE toll hike from January 1 next year, the Works Minister claimed that the decision to raise the toll rates was made by the Government and not by him, and he promised to bring to the attention of the Cabinet the unanimous opposition of MPs across-the-board to the toll hike.

Samy Vellu was not that innocent, as he is not just a Cabinet postman as he tried to pretend, but the Minister in charge of highways and even more pertinent, the very person who negotiated and signed the NSE concession and its variations which gave PLUS the “cash cow” at the expense of more than two generations of Malaysians.

DAP calls for a two-month deferment of the NSE toll hike for MPs, consumer organizations, trade unions, civil society and motorists to be convinced that the 10% NSE toll hike and 40-year concession is not a lopsided “cash cow” for PLUS at the expense of motorists for more than two generations, and that there is no way to cancel the 10% toll hike and vary the concession without attracting the penalty of RM38 billion compensation for the next 33 years! I believe there must be a way out to mitigate the oppressive terms of the NSE concession to protect the rights and interests of two generations of Malaysians.

DAP offers free legal and consultancy services to the Works Ministry and Cabinet to work out a strategy for this purpose, i.e. minimize the lopsidedness of the NSE concession in excessive favour of PLUS without having to stump out the Shylockian compensation of RM38 billion for the next 33 years or even RM154 million a year.

PLUS should be mindful of its national and social obligations and responsibilities and agree to waive the right to claim any compensation during the two-month deferment of the toll hike, or it will be a demonstration of anti-social and anti-national characteristics which should never be found in a company which had been awarded the prized “cash cow” of privatization at the expense of more than two generations of Malaysians.

- Lim Kit Siang -

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 03:16 PM
Err...Orchi sokong penuh atas bantahan dari DAP serta MPs2 lain yang telah menyuarakan perasaan tidak puashati dari kebanyakan rakyat jelata yang terpaksa menggunakan PLUS...disebabkan oleh kekurangan jalan2 alternative yang kononnya wujud seperti di katakan oleh menteri semi value...

Ahem...1 undi sokong kepada DAP!...terima kasih! :cool:

PeterHng
17-12-2004, 03:31 PM
Err...having said that....Orchi has yet to get a reasonable answer to the earlier question...can somebody be kind to explain...where Orchi can find a TOLL FREE-route to n fro....KLIA from SJ/USJ....?

Orchi... to answer your toll free route from USJ/SJ to KLIA, I think cheapest way is from SJ to Kota Kemuning via Kesas (toll free) and use the old Kemuning road to Klang (or via the USJ 16 use the old kemuning road to Klang) towards Banting pass by Morib and come out at the flyover which is abt to lead to Bandar Baru Nilai and turn right to the formula 1 roundabt, turn right to go back to KLIA main road and 5 mins you are at KLIA. I believe it's all toll free. But I'm not sure how long it's gonna take you.... my two sen worth of idea...he, he, he... :D

KH EE
17-12-2004, 03:36 PM
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Samy_Vellu

S. Samy Vellu
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

S. Samy Vellu is a chartered architect who has served in the cabinet of Malaysia in various positions, including Deputy Minister Of Local Government & Housing (1978-1979), Minister Of Works (1979-1989), Minister Of Energy, Telecommunications & Posts (1989-1995), and Minister Of Works (1995-present).

This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=S._Samy_Vellu&action=edit).

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anyone wanna go here to tell the world the true story of our semi-value? ;) :eek:

Ski
17-12-2004, 03:37 PM
Oh No!! not again Samy is in the spotlight again..he is getting more publicity than any other Malaysian :D

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 04:02 PM
Err...PeterHng :) ..that is not a reasonable answer....TQ...which is exactly what Orchi's been trying to drive at...ahem...should Orchi was going on a treasure hunting trip for fun...with a promise of handsome rewards from the organizers...Orchi would have found 2 more routes to take...to n fro KLIA from SJ/USJ...one of them would even take you thru breathtaking scenaries amidst dense oil palm plantations..via Bangi...n a small town of Dengkil....n still be able to make it to the terminals in 1 and a half hour or so!...which is about more or less close to the time taken by taking your suggested route....err...another one is even shorter than what you have suggested..via Banting-Dengkil-Nilai...but then again...both routes would not be suitable for private or commercial users of the routes...to n fro KLIA...from SJ/USJ... :o

wildbill
17-12-2004, 04:30 PM
Err.. Orchi :D ,

From USJ, is there any route to KLIA without paying singe cent on toll?

Please furnish more details. Thanks alot in advance.

wildbill
17-12-2004, 04:38 PM
Hi Peter Hng :D ,

Orchi... to answer your toll free route from USJ/SJ to KLIA, I think cheapest way is from SJ to Kota Kemuning via Kesas (toll free) and use the old Kemuning road to Klang (or via the USJ 16 use the old kemuning road to Klang) towards Banting pass by Morib and come out at the flyover which is abt to lead to Bandar Baru Nilai and turn right to the formula 1 roundabt, turn right to go back to KLIA main road and 5 mins you are at KLIA. I believe it's all toll free. But I'm not sure how long it's gonna take you.... my two sen worth of idea...he, he, he...

Correction: there is a turn-off to KLIA before Banting town.

Anyone interested to save RM1.50 at Bukit Rimau toll to Banting or Klang, via Kota Kemuning? Please PM me.

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 04:53 PM
Err...WildBill :) ...you probably gonna laugh at Orchi for suggesting this...ahem...here goes:-

1. Shortest TOLL FREE route - Take KESAS exit Kota Kemuning...take 3 o'clock exit on the first roundabout...go all the way into Bukit Rimau...until you pass a Taiwanee International school...take a left after the 2nd junction...go all the way till you get to a T junction...take a left turn towards Berjaya Park...turn right on the first junction you see...but at this juncture...any vehicle more than 2metre in height is not passable...under a gantry...go all theway to another T junction...take a left until you reach a 90 degree left hand corner...follow the curve n go straight until you reach a traffic light junction at Jalan Kebun...head straight ahead for about 5 kilometre until you get to another traffic light junction...which is Jalan Banting-Kelang...turn left heading towards Banting town...until you pass Jenjarom...watch out for a signboard which points you to the direction of Dengkil-Bangi...take a left turn on that junction which is before Banting town...n head straight until you pass the junctions to MegaSteel/AM Steel...keep straight ahead until you reach a signboard which points you to Nilai-Salak Tinggi...make a right turn on that traffic light junction...until you pass...Genting Sanyen paper mill...pass that on your right...you would go over the Elite Highway on an overhead bridge...until you see a big mosque on your right...then you would see a signboard telling you the way to KLIA n Sepang F1 circuit...like what PeterHng suggested...it only takes 5 minutes for you to reach the terminals from there...ahem...mind you this is the shortest route possible in a car or motobike..not recommended if you drive a truck...:D

2. Now the second route is even more challenging...you would definitely get lost unless Orchi drives you there in a 4x4...hehehe...so you don't wanna know this one...:D

Ahem...so...Orchi's earlier challenge stays good...IF the semi value minister could point out a reasonable alternative route to KLIA from SJ/USJ...which is TOLL FREE...since he is one of the people whom had approved the plans to built the freaking international airport in the freaking middle of nowhere...Orchi shall shine his freaking shoes for the rest of HIS life... :rolleyes:

PeterHng
17-12-2004, 04:57 PM
Orchi/Bill, that's the route I was trying to tell you by imagining but haven't tried yet. The one thru Kota Kemuning.... Maybe one of these days shud try it as we may save some money. But how long it's gonna take us? :confused:

orchipalar
17-12-2004, 05:02 PM
Err...PeterHng :) ...IF you wanna try your luck for not to get lost along the way...the journey would take you about 1-1/2hr...on the average daytime traffic...travelling within the speed limit...ONE WAY! :)

PeterHng
17-12-2004, 05:21 PM
Thanks for the advice Orchi... I shall try one of these days but 1-1/2 hrs seem to be quite long. with the tolled route it wud take approx 1/2 hr....

gotterdammerung
17-12-2004, 08:58 PM
This government is so confident they remain in power for the next 30 years to have signed the agreement with PLUS. Who's gonna lose the RM 38 billion if the people vote out to instal a new government who have no obligation to PLUS? The people can always make PLUS bow down and behave themselves to the people's power. We can't forever have a government that bows down to PLUS! Is staying too long in power has truly turned our governmnet into a MINUS?

Joe Gomez
17-12-2004, 10:15 PM
Hi gotterdammerung
I believe contractual obligations wld continue to hold.
Trimming down the more than absolute majority is merely to trim down the arrogance of people like Samy and others who have over stayed and to tell the young turks to watch out as consequences of theri actions/inactions/improprieties will catch up with them.
What better way than the polling booth ?

Firefly
18-12-2004, 11:49 AM
Just out of curiosty, How much did it cost to build the NS?

orchipalar
18-12-2004, 01:04 PM
Err...Firefly :) ...total construction costs of NSE?...IF so...Orchi thinks max. 3 or 4 billions...they rest of what they borrowed 7 or 8 billions for it excluding interests...goes to your best guesses n imaginations...

Dont forget...our govenmen guaranteed these loans...so in the end...you use or not...everybody pays!...what?...you don't believe ar?...then why the heck the NSE agreement with our govermen is classified as OSA?...so...nobody knows forever... ya! :cool:

PeterHng
18-12-2004, 01:21 PM
If I got it right, the original contract was awarded thru open tender to UEM at a price of RM4 Billion only but thru various means and methods (VO) UEM finally billed the government to the tune of RM8 billion and more. Now with some slight expansion to the highway they are extending the life of all the tolls. What Samy said was correct but the only problem was nobody has access to those figures ie how they calculated them and the terms & conditions of contract. Remembered some years back DAP took the government & UEM to court but thru the Official Secret Act (or whatever the various subsequent ACTS!) DAP (the public) lost the case; nobody except the goverment has access to them :mad:

aroki
18-12-2004, 04:53 PM
I believe, most of the web-forum readers are from middle-fix-income class gainers that wish in the near future to have debt-free, own at least a USJ-corner-lot, saving at least RM500K, have a condo for weekend house, drive brand new non national cars, buy things using incoming money and not utilising current saving, fixed extra income from yearly dividends that capable to cover yearly household groceries plus children tuitions and schooling expenses.


a corner lot, weekend condo..you forgot about broadband with ther latest LCD computer,plasma tv,platinium card..let see what part of SJ/USJ are you refering to???You think wrong my friend...generalising ain't that good...there are many more link houses than corner lots in USJ....that is most of the ppl in this area. Have you been to this area lately..just do a survey and you will see many national cars on the roads even if you don't count Hyundai..so look around well

BTW the higway cost RM8 billion max..of..thery make RM700 million and next 10 years it is more than paid for it..this doesn't take into account the amount they have made thus far...Samy show us how you coem to the figure RM38billion...if you can there are many ppl will want to buy PLUS..hostile take over....why not..

The RM8billion must include all the extra fat this guys put in as cost..you see PLUS does not need to give contracts to the lowest bidder..if you're 'Halim Seconds'..start a company with RM2..get a fat contract from PLUS..sub it out and take the difference to bank and PLUS informs the government that their cost was this much..who is there to check or say anything...pure BS from Semi Value..

pcyeoh
18-12-2004, 05:19 PM
I remember very clearly when the NSE contract was awarded to UEM (United Engineers Malaysia, a Penang based public listed company at the verge of bankruptcy) Mr Lim Kit Siang expressed his shock in Parliament when he said' "How can the government engage a company who has not lay an inch of road to construct the highway?" I went on to comment that even upwards construction, the UEM also failed miserably. But since I was nobody, the press did not pick it up. Those who are from Penang can remember the Northam Court construction fiasco. UEM was the contractor. Upon reaching the 10th floor, they noticed that it was resembling the Leaning Tower of Pisa. So they engaged Professor Butterworth from one British universities (I remembered his name) who when asked for his expert advice whether it was safe to contnue to add 8 more floors to complete the building, the professor said, "I wouldn't add even one more floor." So they had to bring it down. One English demolition team said that they could bring it down in 10 seconds with explosives but it would cost them RM 1 million (I think it was in the late 70s) but UEM decided to do it manually floor by floor and it took them 9 months with much delays in between. The immediate residents, some 38 families (my friend one of them) were put up in 3 star hotels with meals allowance for 6 months. You just calculate the final cost with lost time and labour included. Today, that piece of land stands the Wisma BHLB, a 30 storey magnificent building fronting the sea near the Gurney Drive roundabout. BTW, it was reported in the paper after thhe highway completion that there average cost per km of highway is RM 1 million and the most expensive stretch is the Bukit Lanjan portion where blasting was required. If I am not wrong, the initial cost was RM 1.4 billion excluding land acquisition. The Penang Bridge was costed at RM 840 million. As an interesting fact, Malaysian smokers also burnt up RM 1 billion worth of cigarrettes in that year. This fact was made known by Samy when he brushed off the demonstators when they protested against squandering this amount on this mega project when Samy said "What is there to protest when our smokers burnt away a Penang Bridge every year!.

orchipalar
18-12-2004, 11:37 PM
MATRADE Building:

Samy Vellu should not mislead Parliament, people and nation into believing that the RM400 million MATRADE Building scandal is one of the PMC disasters as no PMC had been involved in the project right from the beginning

Media Conference Statement
by Lim Kit Siang

http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/lks/nov04/lks3229.htm&e=7317

orchipalar
18-12-2004, 11:45 PM
Samy Vellu

Samy Vellu aka Semi Value broke his right arm (the one he uses to write). All the doktors and the spesialis in kay ell couldn't help him and so off he went to India to seek ayurvedic treatment (bomoh-lah!).

He found the village but couldn't speak the local lingo. Not to worry they knew what he was in yindia for and sent him into the jungle. Meanwhile, back in kay ell, Dr.M wanted to have a cabinet meeting. It was to discuss the impending PLUS (Pungut Lebih Untok Samy) tol rates and he needed Samy Vellu around. He summoned Anwar to fetch Samy and so Anwar dispatched the PM's secretary to india to look for Samy.

http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=U&start=6&q=http://www.crr.com.my/joke226.html&e=7317

orchipalar
18-12-2004, 11:50 PM
“I don’t think the Government can subsidise the price anymore. I have to be very frank about it. People are only paying 12.04 sen per kilometre now because the agreement was changed,'' he added, saying PLUS would announce the new rates before Jan 1."

http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=U&start=13&q=http://www.snni.org/cgi-bin/snni2/list_item.cgi%3Fpeserta/malaysia/st1312_4.txt&e=7317

orchipalar
18-12-2004, 11:53 PM
Samy Vellu cannot disclaim responsibility for the burdensome NSE toll rates as he is not a postman for the Cabinet but the Minister in charge of highways as well as the person who negotiated and signed the lop-sided NSE concession in 1988 which provided a “cash cow” to PLUS at the expense of the motorists 16.12.04

http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=U&start=16&q=http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/&e=7317

patrick
19-12-2004, 04:17 PM
Having reveal all kinds of details regarding the Rm160 million elevated highway linking Federal Highway with Subang Jaya and USJ, the honourable minister was quiet on one of the most important issues. All who stays and travel through Subang Jaya know that the most congested part along Kewajipan is at the KESAS traffic lighted interchange. Yet the Minister has not mentioned how the Government intends to alleviate this problem. By bringing in more traffic and faster via this new link, and if nothing is done at the KESAS interchange, this hot spot is going to be the biggest nightmare for motorists. Please Mr Minister, tell us what your plans are to overcome the congestion at this interchange before you exacerbate it further.

orchipalar
19-12-2004, 07:01 PM
Sunday December 19, 2004

Fourth exit for Subang Jaya, USJ
BY A. LETCHUMANAN

KUALA LUMPUR: The Subang-Kelana elevated highway, scheduled for completion in two years, will serve as a fourth exit for some 75,000 cars leaving Subang Jaya and USJ areas daily, not to mention those from Puchong.

Subang Jaya has over 15,000 houses and USJ some 24,000.

Residents now use the Federal Highway, New Pantai Expressway and Elite Highway to get to their destinations.

The new highway has brought protests from a few residents.

Subang Jaya assemblyman Lee Hwa Beng said Subang Jaya residents who protested against the building of the highway should realise that it would benefit the majority of the people in the two areas.

“It would greatly benefit the thousands of residents who leave for work in the morning and return home in the evenings,” he said.

“This highway was proposed by the Subang Jaya Municipal Council and it would definitely help in easing the traffic congestion,” he said, adding that no houses or land were acquired for the construction of the highway.

The four-lane highway links the Kesas junction at Persiaran Kewajipan in Subang Jaya to the Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah airport, passing the Subang Jaya Medical Centre, Mesiniaga building and exits at Glenmarie.

There is an elevated U-turn for those heading to Kuala Lumpur.

Works Minister Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu, who met residents and made a site visit on Thursday, said the concession agreement for the highway was signed on Feb 7, 2003 and work started in May this year.

“The residents had protested that the high sound barrier walls would affect their view but the Public Works Department had agreed to accommodate their request and reduce the height,” he said.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/12/19/nation/9694242&sec=nation

cskok8
19-12-2004, 08:09 PM
Toll free way from KLIA to USJ:
Take Banting route to Klang
Federal highway (bypass 1st toll using Padang Jawa and 2nd toll via Glenmarie).
Should be OK on weekend/PH or middle of night. Otherwise might take you 3 hours. :D

gnehkgnep
20-12-2004, 12:45 PM
“This highway was proposed by the Subang Jaya Municipal Council and it would definitely help in easing the traffic congestion,” he said, adding that no houses or land were acquired for the construction of the highway.

Since when MPSJ represents the entire population in USJ/Subang.....what right they have to implement something without consulting the residents first??? So call democratic.....what so big deal then if they k*** first and apologize later.....

Already making big money from the municipal collections...someone need to tell them that we certainly not amuse by their dictatorship in our way of life....must really go and watch the Shaolin troupe and learn some skills...if possible kick them upside down..... :mad:

No more cheapskate deal for us. We want a fair hearing MPSJ!!!

Kambate :cool:

orchipalar
23-12-2004, 05:12 PM
Err..PCYeoh :) ...ahem...you keep saying SubangKewajipan to PJKelana Link is TOLL FREE!?...are you sure or not?...if so why the heck semi valued statement is still clearly saying that the original concession was signed earlier for this propose link?...IF so...this would only mean...bluddy privatization what!?...how ar?... :confused:

KH EE
29-12-2004, 12:33 PM
from http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/32451

He has consistently turned to the gods for succour. However, even they appeared to look away at a critical point and he was left teetering on the very brink of the political precipice.

Malaysians watched with bated breath to see if he would finally fall but, amazingly, he regained his footing and has stubbornly continued to ride his luck.

It seems the country is stuck with one of its longest-serving ministers. For his consistent forays into the media, parliament and just about any public forum where bravado carries the day, malaysiakini declares Works Minister S Samy Vellu its 'Newsmaker of the Year'.

In view of the many escapes he has enjoyed, this symbolic award comes in a teflon-coated version this year.

Veteran politician Samy Vellu, 69, has had a horror ride through 2004. Controversy after costly controversy tailed him during the 'Year of the Monkey' and his woes grew to a point that he lamented that "even God does not like me".

That was significant, coming from the man who took the phrase 'act of God' to lengths that stress-tested credulity to the max. But then, he probably had cause to feel aggrieved.

The list included a number of civil engineering disasters - structural damage to the pillars of a newly-opened flyover; serious fungal problems in a just-opened hospital; a defective multi-storey building; and shoddy construction of school computer labs.

For a change, the nation did not have to wait the pre-requisite 'x' number of years to detect problems or to make disapproving sounds over 'third world' maintenance standards. No, these was brand new infrastructure and technology that failed the tahan lasak test instantly.

For old time's sake, there was the odd closure or two of major highways, not to mention design flaws that had to be hastily corrected because even fellow-politicians felt irked enough to complain.

If Samy Vellu had done an Internet search to find out what Malaysians were saying about him, this refrain (sung to 'London Bridge is Falling Down' (http://www.mycen.com.my/duasen/100804_kepongbridge.html)) would have popped up right away on chat groups and blogs:

Kepong bridge is falling down,
Falling down, falling down,
My fair Samy....

It has, at least, kept the creative juices flowing among those who crave freedom of expression in what is otherwise a repressed society.

The minister is not new to being lampooned. In the 1980s, Aiyoyo Samy briefly made it into the local pop charts for pretty much the same reasons. In addition, 'aiyoyo' has entered our lexicon of essential terms for cross-cultural bonding.

Series of fiascos

But back to the present. In July, Samy Vellu's comfortable post-election ride suddenly hurtled downhill, haunted by the spectre of computer laboratories having to be abandoned in east coast schools.

These were meant to have jump-started a move to propel students into the technological era. Instead, the buildings were built so badly that the
structures were riddled with cracks.

When the RM140 million debacle hit the headlines, the predictable finger-pointing began. Samy Vellu found himself in the full glare of the spotlight, for all that he had Education Minister Musa Mohamed for company.

Opposition politicians gleefully went for the jugular, but apparently did not inflict much damage for he survived to fight another day, unlike the hapless Musa.

All too soon, screams for the minister's head reverberated once again when a severe fungus problem was discovered in the RM557.8 million Sultan Ismail Hospital in Johor Baru.

The 704-bed facility had to be shut down on Sept 26. It has since been re-opened following a RM8 million clean-up, but not before Health Minister Dr Chua Soi Lek vented his feelings.

Samy Vellu's annus horibilis was to continue. In August, cracks appeared on 31 of the 33 pillars holding up the flyover along the Middle Ring Road 2 (MRR2) in Kepong, Kuala Lumpur. The RM238.8 million project had been opened in 2002.

This time around, colleagues in Barisan Nasional lost patience and joined in the witch-hunt to demand an explanation in Parliament.

Worse, they echoed the chorus of calls from opposition parties and non-governmental organisations for his resignation - or failing that, his removal from office - as well as for investigations by the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA).

He met their temerity with typical insouciance: "Whoever wants to report, please report to the ACA... want to report to the police, please go ahead and report to the police. We will not stop anyone."

Calls for errant contractors to be blacklisted were summarily dismissed with the comment that this could leave the government with barely anyone to call up in the cause of nation 'building'.

Samy Vellu did some finger-pointing of his own at the Finance Ministry's Project Management Consultants, for encroachment into his ministry's jurisdiction over public projects.

The 1.7km stretch of the MRR2 was re-opened without fanfare on Dec 7, following remedial works.

Brief respite

In October, Samy Vellu received the clearest indication yet that the gods were not pleased. A mudslide along a section of the North-South highway near Ipoh brought traffic to a standstill, but luckily did not cause fatalities. But in the debris lay the shattered remnants of the minister's short-lived peace of mind.

The Gua Tempurung mudslide prompted him to look up to the heavens and wonder if this is what divine desertion means.

Once again, the opposition bayed for his blood, but the affected stretch was cleared, repaired and opened in time for the Deepavali and Hari Raya celebrations. The trade-off was a free lesson on the difference between a 'mudslide' and 'landslide'.

Next came the controversy surrounding the delay in the construction of the Matrade (Malaysian External Trade Development Corporation) building.

The 24-storey RM167 million building was slated for completion on Feb 10, 1997. Defects were discovered in the building, with repairs to cost an estimated RM28.4 million. A daily fine of RM40,000 has been imposed on the contractor since Jan 4, 1999.

Memories of these episodes quickly faded, however, following the announcement that toll charges on the North-South highway will go up by 10 percent from Jan 1.

Howls of protest have been dealt with in inimical Samy-style, with a well-rehearsed argument pulled out - if motorists don't pay, the government will have to... and by the way, the increase has already been approved.

The opposition has accused him of looking out for the highway concessionaire, Plus Expressways Bhd, rather than for the public interest.

The minister knows only too well that the hullaballoo will die down and that everyone will adjust in time.

But having been tarred so many times over the year, Samy Vellu must be hoping - and praying - that he will not be feathered come the 'Year of the Rooster'.
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Newsmaker 2003 - Husam Musa
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/18229

Newsmaker 2002 - Zainuddin Maidin
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/14061

Newsmaker 2001 - Rais Yatim
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/6044

pcyeoh
29-12-2004, 01:10 PM
When The Star reported the Works Minister Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu saying "the concession agreement for the highway was signed on Feb 7, 2003 and work started in May this year." many have a shiver down their spines and that includes Orchi. He is one hell of a person who will go all out to avoid paying toll eventhough he has to walk ... or drive that extra mile.

Orchi, I am still saying this Subang-Kelana Link is and will remain TOLL FREE for as long as I live in USJ. You must understand our poor Samy is so used to dealing with road concessions that every highway he is dealing in must be a tolled highway. He got confused when he was in Subang Jaya two weeks ago. He was shown two highways - the NPE and the new Subang-Kelana Link. When he mentioned the agreement signed way back in Feb 2003, he was talking about the NPE. Since LLM agreed to NPE extending their highway from the SS 17 roundabout to Jalan Tujuan/SS 19 the government extends their concessionaire agreement by maybe additional 3 more years. The Jalan Kewajipan is a JKR road and thus the government is paying for the cost to extend Jalan Kewajipan to the old Subang Airport and Kelana Jaya. If not clear, let me call Samy himself.....

orchipalar
29-12-2004, 01:21 PM
Err...PCYeoh :) ...your personal assurance is much appreciated...which shows that you are always ontop of this kinda community thingy here...TQ

Ahem...the next time you speak to sammy(Orchi doesn't refer to the HK female pop singer)...please make sure you convey Orchi's special regards to him... ;)

KH EE
29-12-2004, 02:38 PM
I am still saying this Subang-Kelana Link is and will remain TOLL FREE for as long as I live in USJ.

looks like aiyoyo samy has to find a place for you OUTSIDE usj-lah... & that can be arranged! ;)

gnehkgnep
29-12-2004, 03:08 PM
and......convey my message to Sammy Cheng if u happen to meet her :rolleyes: ......