RMAF MiG29 fighter jet crashes in Kemaman

[Ski]

News update by the Star Newsdesk

KUALA LUMPUR: A Royal Malaysian Air Force MiG29 fighter jet crashed at the Ketengah Perwira oil palm plantation in Kemaman, Terengganu today but the pilot is believed to have ejected safely.

Defence Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the incident occurred at 10.22am and a search and rescue for the aircraft and the pilot is underway.


He said the aircraft went down 16 nautical miles north west of the Kuantan airbase where the MiG squadron is based.

Najib said as a precautionary measures, all the other MiG aircraft had been grounded temporarily.

"Preliminary reports said that the engine was on fire before it crashed. Two other MiGs were flying together with the aircraft that went down.

"The other pilots spotted where the pilot, who ejected safely, and aircraft had gone down and help is on the way," said Najib.

The RMAF has 17 MiG29 fighter jets purchased from Russia.

Does anybody know the cost of this plane...now who or what is RMAF going to blame?

[orchipalar]

Err...malaysia is one of the few nations in the world who would fly the MIG29...should Orchi isn't wrong...this fighter was first introduced in 1972... :o

[wildbill]

This is an accident. Most probably the pilot license is going to be gantung. May be Najib's license also kena gantung b'cos it take two to make an accident. :rolleyes:

RMAF and Russian will be cleared from this incident. If not, this will be a bad precedent b'cos if our driving license kena gantung if we meet an accident, then the JPJ and traffic police will be got blame too. :p

[Gohead]

Dulu dulu, beli mesin jahit Singer, can last forever.
La ni, beli mesin jahit semi-automatic Singer, kena cari barang ganti.

The Russian pun dah ikut macam barang Jepun;
Cukup time, kena cari replacement;
Ter-skip maintenance routines;
Terus, terjerumpuk.

What goes around, comes around.
Biasa le......

[lord]

On a more serious note, what mind boggles me is the attitude of our government to practise the 'tidak apa attitude'. I have on numerous occasions, while growing up, sat in a Charlie130, Karibu, Nuri and Allouette. Trust me, Karibu should have been grounded a long time ago. But I still see them flying over Subang once in a while. Man, that aircraft is a flying time-bomb if you ask me or any ex-air force personnel. But what does the gov say, "if its not broken, use it!"

Back to the present story, why is the gov so unconfident with the rest of the aircraft that it should instruct the rest of the planes to be grounded if their periodic service is good. The engineers would have found the fault before it took off. Or, were the engineers busy having tea when they should have taken a closer look at the jet? Aiyaahhh, not my harta what. Who cares?? Joe, you are talking about a multi-million dollar equipment. And it is supposed to be 'fault-free'!! When it comes to aircraft, they don't accept 99.99%!! It HAS to be a 100% fit, period. How the hell did it happen? Or, was it the fault of the pilot. Was he another 23 year old Capt from UTM who was sleeping while flying?

You get cheap spares, half-past-six service plan/personnel and a tight budget coupled with very old and cheap planes, you have a recipe for disaster, my friends!! The gov should, instead of sponsoring idiot sportsmen who can't win a medal in any jacksh!t competition, build kompleks sukan one after another for GOD knows what the fook for, channel the money to newer military equipments. For a country whose leaders make hell of a noise as though we are second world-power in line after the US, we sure have 'mercun buluh' to shout about as our state of the art military attire, man :cool:!!

And what do you have now, 16 grounded MIG29's, 1 crashed, second-hand SkyHawks and a gov making foolish decisions with the public fund.

DAMN, I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!

[aroki]

MiG 29 is one of the Russians latest plane. Maybe the MiG series was from 1972. The plane is pretty high tech. The best is to wait for the investigation,which we may never hear or get the whole truth.That's is life here.

Lucky no one was injured or killed. Too bad to loose a good plane. Love to fly in one of those MiGs.

[Ski]

Tax payers money,man this jet must cost a bomb and maintaining it is no joke...what a waste of public funds.
Initial investigations states of a fire, then I guess Najib should ground the maintenance engineers not the Migs.

[orchipalar]

Err...in 1998...a MiG 29 Fulcrum costs USD 27,000,000 each in the market...err...but in our market here.....who knows? :rolleyes:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=cost+of+a+mig+29+-g+force/v=2/SID=w/TID=E180_80/l=WS1/R=1/H=0/IPC=au/SHE=0/SIG=123cgd5o7/*-http%3A//www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-29.htm

[orchipalar]

Err...more info...

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=mig+29+cost+malaysia/v=2/SID=w/TID=E180_80/l=WS1/R=8/H=0/IPC=au/SHE=0/SIG=11pupocrp/*-http%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-29

[wildbill]

Why we need the MIG or fighter jet for :confused:

If really a time for war, do you think we have the chance??? Noway Jose. So why we waste the money (in this case, palm oil) ? With one MIG, we can build more schools and hospitals. :o

Another issue to ponder, why we need a angkasaNaut for? Are we going to purchase a space shuttle (with palm oil) and send the angkasaNaut to space, where? :o

[KelvC]

Why we need the MIG or fighter jet for :confused:

If really a time for war, do you think we have the chance??? Noway Jose. So why we waste the money (in this case, palm oil) ? With one MIG, we can build more schools and hospitals. :o

If memory serves me right, palm oil price was high at that time and was supplied to the Russian simply because it was expensive there as well. Give palm oil to local building contractors and what are they going to do with it? Build swimming pool? Palm oil here cheap, palm oil outside at least got commercial value. At least can barter mah.

[wildbill]

Err...KelvC :D

Do you indicate nobody will want palm oil unless we barter trade?

Why not barter trade with building material, farm equipments, medical supplies or other things Malaysia needed the most?

It's matter of choice....gun or barter.

[JackRyan1975]

As far as I remembered, of the 18 MiGs purchased, our pilots have crashed 2. So it doesn't even take enemy fire to destroy our fleet of latest aircraft. Imagine what would happen if we are under attack? Instead of intercepting, probably the authorities would let the attack be carried out first and then to "examine and evaluate the impact" before starting up the remaining Nuris, if there are any left.

[aroki]

Why do we need grills in our house...as a deterrent. same reasons why we do need fighter planes.Be prepared than be sorry. Look at the countries around us, they all have fighter planes,of which Singapore has state of the art planes.

yes two planes hv crashed but doesn't mean we should not have them. Fighter planes do crash all over the world. Even in USA they do, the son of the former USA ambassador to Msia died in an exercise some time in 2002 in the USA.Even a Singapore fighter crashed lately in Australia due to pilot loosing control due to blackout caused by hi 'G' force. Not sure what plane it was but it was not a thousand dollar plane.

saw this guys perform during F1..they were good. Not sure in combat but we need to give the pilot the benefit of doubt. They do put their life at risk and piloting the MiG 29 i'm sure is not a piece of cake. and humans do make mistake..this May well be a USD27million mistake.

[JackRyan1975]

It is not a question of doing away with the MiGs that we have. Of course it is good that we have them.

What worries me is the statistics. The occasional plane do crash in US/Singapore, but if you compare their inventory with ours, I think statistically our record is bad i.e. crashing 2 planes out of 18, is a worse record than crashing 2 planes out of 1800.

[wildbill]

What deterrent can Malaysia give to others with just MIG :confused:

Which country wanted to invade Malaysia? only in our dream.

If your friend has a gun, justify for you to get one too???

This is all big brother symdrome, others have it, I also want to have it, else malu lah. :mad:

Just walk thru' the JB check-point with Singapore, you are like walking thru' a time tunnel, 50's in JB and 21st Century in Woodland. :( Really malu.

[aroki]

wildbill

The idea is to be prepared. Who will invade us..we will never know will we. Indonesia did in 66. Who knew Iraq was going to invade Kuwait? Why modern Spore is so wooried about its 50s in neighbour..after all Spore doesn't have any natural resources. Who is going to assure us that a new leader in one of the countries in the region will not have ambitions to expand their territory? So do we wait till we know? Maybe we should not even have an army. or police..who is going to rob us? But history says that there are robbers around and we need the cops and we need to protect ourselves.

as for guns, well there are laws on that. if there is none, there will be people who will have one as well cos bad guys are out there with guns or cos your neighbour has one...look at the 21st century USA, it is their right to have one, so big portion of their people have one or more...to protect themselves, hunt etc. Same goes for nuclear weapons, there are agreements that say this region is nuclear free and the countries abide by it. if not, what do you think will happen? off course big brother USA will not allow others to have nuclear weapon but it is ok for them to have it.

as for big brother syndrome, well what can I say it is human nature. You are malu when you go to Spore cos JB is in the 50s..you would want to be like Singapore, right? if not why malu. It is normal human being nature. BTW, if you go to some parts of Myanmar, you will know what it is like to be in the 50-70s..JB is no where near the 50s.

[wildbill]

Hi Aroki, to prepare for what? with the standard of Malaysia army, to fight is like using the water gun to shoot the moon.

Hi Aroki, you might misunderstood me when I used the coastway as an example. I am not malu to be a Malaysian and I am not malu b'cos I am poor. I am malu b'cos of Malaysia's way of mentality, especially the govt way of doing thing. They waste so much tax-payer money to re-invent on how to make Malaysia better but not learning from others the proven way of doing thing better. Do you know how much money was spent to re-build the Malaysia side of the coastway and still look like the 50s'?

To progress, always compare to the better, and not the worst.

Admin note
I think the word should be causeway - "coastway" ? you had my head spinning for a while there !!

[aroki]

wildbill,

Prepare for what..be prepared for any eventuality. yes our army may not be that great..does that mean we should not have one. The USA army is so great..but see what the Iraq people are doing to them. Our army is not proven but are they far off the mark from rest in the region..I don't know. We know that we can be robbed at home..does that mean we should let all the doors open wide?? Don't keep any defense mechanism. Which car will a guy steal first, similar cars..one with alarm and one without?

Coastway? :confused: Are you talking about the causeway and the area around it that links Spore and Msia? you are talking of the customs/checkpoint areas..ok. Do you know how much was spend? Should we spend more money when there will be a new one once they agree on the bridge.... try the second link..that check point looks good..on both sides. anyway we are poorer than Spore GDP etc..so can't be too big brother syndrome....

PS..agree water guns can't shoot to the moon...nor any other types of gun.

[aroki]

My head was spinning too on coastway!!

wildbill,

you still should check out the Myanmar checkpoints in Rangoon or at Mae Sai(thai/myanmar border)..especially at mae sai..lots of fun watching what goes on there..any the facilities...way before the fifties compared to anyone even the phillipines.

take care man..I'll check out the crossings at Spore/JB on the 19th Nov. :)

[yablato]

aiya what u all tok lah. yes, we must be prepared and we are. we are prepared bcos we love this country. All the latos will u one. so u don't wori lah.

my singaporean lato fren will fly his whole family (sons in the 20s) to australia at the first whiff of trouble. and there are aso so many lato frens down there. they kia si one. children go for reservist training and then weekend , bring dirty laundry for maid to wash.. they cannot tahan mozzie bites one. we on ly need to breed dengue mozzies, transport/load all of them in our MiG and unload over u know where lah and we can win aleady. Have No Fear.

yg akan beramuk lato

[CCY]

If we do not have the police or army today ,whatever their condition it is in , tomorrow we would not be able to log into Usj.com.my anymore .Who would be king then .Would you sit down and wait for big brother help when someone ..or your neighbour decides to clean ....cleans up your house because you are 6 inches shorter than them .

[aroki]

latest...pilot found alive at a plantation

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/11/10/latest/19626RMAFpilot&sec=latest

[orchipalar]

Err...good neighbours...in the true spirit of Asean...n in 'good' relations with the rest of our fellow earthlings in other parts of this world...ahem...tiny nation of ours.....malaysia would NOT have any enemy 'invading us' to speak about....n furthermore.... Orchi says ALL the defensive or offensive weaponry that we wasted our monies on...including the MiG 29s...bikin sendiri submarines or cruisers...CAN NOT even protect our waters against a few lowlife pirates...from Cebu n Sumatra...what the heck!!! :o :rolleyes: