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mysticalangel
08-10-2004, 10:42 AM
Heard on the radio this morning that roadworks for will start tomorrow for Jln Kewajipan & Jengka roundaboutuntil May 2006. The radio states that parts of the road will be closed meaning the already bad jam will be worse?? Arghhh..any alternative to get to PJ State where my office is located? Pls help.....

hishalis
08-10-2004, 10:51 AM
does it means the round n bout will be closed too?

jeya
08-10-2004, 10:51 AM
Hi Angel

Arent you and angel you have wings to fly...just joking :)

My only advise is to leave before the traffic starts, thats my solution. No way can you escape this two big congested roundbouts.

Cheers

JoeJaffar
08-10-2004, 10:55 AM
O's will be partially closed. I think one of the forummer had posted a description on how the partial closure would look like. Most affected would be the residents in SS 18 and 14

kcchia
08-10-2004, 11:36 AM
Yes, we poor guys in SS 14 and SS 18 will have to make a long detour each time we get in or out of our area .... sigh!!!! Maybe I should take leave and stay at home the whole of next week until the traffic situation is clearer.

I've been keeping a close eye for any announcement of the closure in the local newspapers but I've not seen any. I would have thought that a major road closure like this deserves more publicity than an obscure announcement on the radio.

Closure until April 2006??? My, my... no wonder the duration stated in the diagram of the "Temporary Traffic Management" system that I downloaded from our ADUN's website had the year missing from the end date. I was under the impression that all work will be completed in April 2005 ... 6 months of inconvenience I can (barely) handled but 18 months????? Help!!!!

robertec
08-10-2004, 12:09 PM
The closure was originally schedule for 1st October.

The announcement was posted on YB Dato’ Lee Hwa Beng’s website. Together with a diagram of the closure and an enlargement.

It was copied to the Nwatch Website on 30/09/2004

http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?id=3C0860A6-CE75-4F9F-97D4D0F82D8BBDF5

The said announcement on Dato’ Lee’s website has since been removed and in it’s place only a small diagram is left.

http://hwabeng.org.my/index.php/publish/page/view/550/551

Take a look and don’t say you were not told in advance.

Inform your neighbours and friends who have no intrnet access.

mysticalangel
08-10-2004, 12:24 PM
I didn't see anything in the papers either & it was casually mentioned on Light & Easy this morning. Yes, the annoucer said "May 2006".

SS18?? If I use the road on SS19 side wont be that bad right?

Oh yes, the radio also said roadworks is also on-going on NPE so taking NPE also cannot:( Hmmm.....maybe should move from Subang Jaya lah.....

mysticalangel
08-10-2004, 12:37 PM
Saw the diagram on Dtk Lim Hwa Beng's site. The map also not clear. Wah, that means will be super jam starting next week....alamak! What extension to NPE? Are they building another fly-over which links SJ direct to NPE? That'll be soooo cool:)

pcyeoh
08-10-2004, 03:14 PM
Mohd Bazly, the manager of New Pantai Expressway Sdn. Bhd. said that all efforts were made to publicise this closure and re direction but apparently only the Chinese Press and Malay Mail carry the announcement. MPSJ is also supposed to disseminate the information via the various JKPs which you and I know will only be done after the highway is completed! So he sent this announcement to me and asked me to publish it here in our website and so here it is. Sorry I have difficulty in the map which I hope they can resend to me in other format. Meantime please refer to Robert's map which he extracted from Dato Lee's website. The announcement is in Bahasa Malaysia. Let me study the announcement and the map and publish them again in where even the blind man knows how to move around.

NPE has arranged with the Petaling Jaya Police to deploy 5 officers to help out in the traffic management. They also confirmed that it will go on till 2006. Sorry folks, I am moving out of Subang Jaya to Batang Berjuntai and hang around there till this roadworks is all completed.

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SISTEM PENGURUSAN LALULINTAS
SEMENTARA BAGI KERJA-KERJA PEMBINAAN DI
JALAN TUJUAN, BULATAN JENGKA DAN BULATAN KEWAJIPAN


1.0 OBJEKTIF

Perlaksanaan sistem pengurusan lalulintas ini adalah untuk menjalankan kerja-kerja pembinaan menaiktaraf di Persimpangan Lampu Isyarat Jalan Tujuan/Jalan Subang Utama, Bulatan Jengka dan Persimpangan Bertingkat Kewajipan. Selain daripada itu ia juga bertujuan untuk mengurangkan kesesakan lalulintas yang melalui kawasan tersebut semasa kerja-kerja pembinaan dilakukan.


2.0 TARIKH PERLAKSANAAN

Bermula pada 9 Oktober 2004 dan berakhir pada 6 April 2006


3.0 KESAN PERLAKSANAAN

Dalam perlaksanaan sistem pengurusan lalulintas ini, sebahagian laluan di Bulatan Jengka dan Bulatan Kewajipan akan ditutup kepada lalulintas (rujuk lampiran 1). Penutupan laluan-laluan tersebut adalah seperti berikut:


3.1 Penutupan Laluan Di Bulatan Jengka

· Trafik dari SS18 dan SS14 yang hendak ke SS17, SS 15 dan Bandar Sunway/KL, perlu melakukan pusingan di pusingan U sementara yang dibina di sebelah kanan 300 m dari Bulatan Jengka (rujuk lampiran 2).

· Trafik dari SS15 dan SS17 yang hendak ke SS14, SS18 dan SS19, perlu melakukan pusinagn di pusingan U yang dibina bersebelahan Bulatan Kewajipan (rujuk lampiran 3).

3.2 Penutupan laluan Di Bulatan Kewajipan

· Trafik dari SS14, SS17, SS18 dan SS19 yang hendak ke SS12 dan Pusat Perubatan Jaya (SJMC) perlu menggunakan Jalan Jengka dan Jalan Kemajuan dan seterusnya melalui Jalan kewajipan (rujuk lampiran 4).


· Trafik dari SS19, SS17 dan SS 15 yang hendak ke Summit Square and USJ, perlu melalui laluan atas Persimpangan Kewajipan dan membuat pusingan di pusingan U sediada di Bandar Sunway untuk masuk semula ke Jalan Kewajipan (rujuk lampiran 5).

· Trafik dari Pusat Perubatan Subang Jaya (SJMC) yang hendak ke Jalan Jengka dan Summit Square, perlu menghala ke Bandar Sunway untuk membuat pusingan di pusingan U sediada di Bandar Sunway. Trafik perlu melalui laluan atas Persimpangan Kewajipan untuk emnuju ke USJ (rujuk lampiran 6).


4.0 KESIMPULAN

Untuk mengurangkan gangguan terhadap perjalanan trafik di kawasan pembinaan, papantanda arah sementara dan papantanda amaran serta peringatan akan disediakan di setiap kawasan penutupan dan persimpangan yang terlibat. Para pengguna dinasihatkan agar mematuhi papantanda dan peraturan di kawasan pembinaan ketika melalui kawasan tersebut. Sebarang pertanyaan dan maklumat, pengguna boleh menghubungi nombor telefon ‘INFOLINE’ 1-300-88-1010.

orchipalar
08-10-2004, 03:30 PM
SISTEM PENGURUSAN LALULINTAS
SEMENTARA BAGI KERJA-KERJA PEMBINAAN DI
JALAN TUJUAN, BULATAN JENGKA DAN BULATAN KEWAJIPAN
1.0 OBJEKTIF
Perlaksanaan sistem pengurusan lalulintas ini adalah untuk menjalankan kerja-kerja pembinaan menaiktaraf di Persimpangan Lampu Isyarat Jalan Tujuan/Jalan Subang Utama, Bulatan Jengka dan Persimpangan Bertingkat Kewajipan. Selain daripada itu ia juga bertujuan untuk mengurangkan kesesakan lalulintas yang melalui kawasan tersebut semasa kerja-kerja pembinaan dilakukan.
2.0 TARIKH PERLAKSANAAN
Bermula pada 9 Oktober 2004 dan berakhir pada 6 April 2006

Err...can anyone help to translate this?...please?:confused:

kcchia
08-10-2004, 03:44 PM
Yes, Orchi ... I can see where you are coming from. How can NPE say it is SEMENTARA when the closure is for 18 months. Why, if I work hard enough, I could be a father of 2 (more) by then!!!!

And my, my, aren't they generous in arranging for 5 (F-I-V-E) police officers to be on site. I just hope they will not vanish into the thin air once the situation gets out of hand like the last time around.

Finally, why do they have to start the closure on a working Saturday? Would'nt Sunday be a better day to softly introduce the shell-shocked citizens of SJ/USJ to this SEMENTARA traffic inconvenience?

pcyeoh
08-10-2004, 04:35 PM
I got the map which explains the 5 situations and show you how to get to your destination. I shall forward it to Jeff to put it as the usjXpress cover story or maybe just to upload it at this thread. For those who want it, please email me (pcyeoh@usj.com.my) and I shall fwd it to you. It is in colour and only 166K size and in MS Word format.

Chermaine
08-10-2004, 04:56 PM
Eeeeeeeeerrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhh........this NPE this subang jaya this USJ......errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh......*#)@&$)&@($&@_*$&@)*@)($*@$*_@$_@ NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!

1 question: can we still use the NPE Highway?

Cher

satish
08-10-2004, 05:20 PM
Chermaine,
Come this Saturday..my personal opinion..your Turtle wud be able to move faster than the cars that get locked in at the Kewajipan and Tujuan roundabouts..!
CHeers!
:p

orchipalar
08-10-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Chermaine
Eeeeeeeeerrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhh........this NPE this subang jaya this USJ......errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh......*#)@&$)&@($&@_*$&@)*@)($*@$*_@$_@ NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!
1 question: can we still use the NPE Highway?
Cher

Err...Chermaine:) ...ahem...sounds to Orchi...you are missing us much liao....hehehehe....sorry...

By the time this partial closure starts...you wouldn't wanna think about heading that way for quite a while...err...more or less like 1-1/2 years...n by the looks of current progress n past HISTORY...this nightmare wouldn't be over for another 4 years...!!

Orchi thinks it is best to use the Puchong's ESCAPE route for you to get to Kesas....from USj3....ahem....coming over to USJ2 to access Kesas....is going to be horrific as well....

Should you travel via Tujuan....you would have to make a BIG round trip thru n pass to the old KFC...pass Subang Parade n get thru to NPE n Sunway....via SJMC...!!!...

Your other alternative would be to use Federal JAMway to go to KL....or you might wanna switch job...to work in USJ Taipan?

Again...you can think about getting via Hicom...then use the Elite...to get to NKVE...then again...back to Damansara...or head to Duta....ahem...looks like Orchi has no more ideas to offer to you...:(

Can you see how this closure is going to be the mother of all traffic nightmares for thousands of motorist n passengers...in Subang...for the next 1-1/2 years....at LEAST?:mad:

mysticalangel
08-10-2004, 06:24 PM
PCYeoh: Can email the map to me ah??? My email's mysticalangelmel@gmail.com. TQ. Eh, you got translation in English ah? I tak faham wat's it trying to say lah....Got road sign or not?

Alamak muz really think of moving from SJ already:(

robertec
08-10-2004, 07:19 PM
You can find all the Maps that PC mention at the Neighbourhood Watch Website.

http://www.nwatch.net.my/page.cfm?name=npe%20redirection

aroki
08-10-2004, 07:42 PM
Looks like the NPE...is for Nuisance Pantai expressway!!! wonder what they will call it in 5/10 years time...OPE..Old Pantai....

robertec
08-10-2004, 07:42 PM
A word of warning for people coming from Tujuan and Jengka going to SJMC.

Please take special note of Impact Map 3 or else you will be going around in circles, the consequences of which would be quite unthinkable.

pcyeoh
09-10-2004, 12:05 AM
Thanks a lot Robert and I knew I could count on you. That poor guy En Bazli, the manager of NPE who was desparately trying to find a way to broadcast this information, he was lucky to get me. In fact it was I who called NPE and demanded to speak to the manager in charge. He identified himself as the manager and I complained to him that I being a well read person could not find any information anywhere on this impending closure. He said NPE has done all that they could and there is nothing that they could do to get the Press to publish it except the Chinese papers and the Malay Mail. I just forgot to tell him that they could emulate what SPRINT did in another similar situation. They should print flyers and distribute them throughout SJ/USJ. It would not cost them a lot and at least the hard copy will last longer than the daily papers. I asked him for the press statement and that is what I posted earlier but without the map, many couldn't figure out what the situation is like. Many asked me for the map. In fact I emailed out to all SJ/USJ residents whose email addresses are in my address book. If everyone is aware, then the roads will not be jammed up by the bong cha cha drivers. Brave yourself tomorrow and face the traffic for the next 18 months. May the force be with you.

JoeJaffar
09-10-2004, 08:29 AM
Has NPE widened the section between the Jengka roundabout and the temporary U-turn on the SS18? I drove there yesterday around 5.45-6pm, and it's narrow, something like 1 lane at the narrowest section. If they haven't done anything, then good luck to those who's gonna be passing there.

mysticalangel
09-10-2004, 01:07 PM
They only reported it in today's Metro. Somemore this morning it took me about 30mins to get to Carrefour through SS19 that road. Teruk lah.

I guess as long as we avoid coming from SJMC that side things wont be so bad lor...Many people dunno got road closure leh.

This morning outside Summit that road also very jam already at about 9am.

Am looking for a place to move....Lucky my current place is rented one...

robertec
09-10-2004, 04:03 PM
We have setup a detailed layout of the closures to help you get a clearer view of what is going on with the help of Maps that we received from NPE.

You can view the layout at the Neighbourhood Watch Website

http://www.nwatch.net.my/article.cfm?id=150

Since this is going to last 18 months I advice that you study the implications of the traffic system as soon as you can.

Share this message with your neighbours who may not be on our mailing list.

palmdoc
09-10-2004, 04:43 PM
Thanks Robertec. Useful maps.

Firefly
11-10-2004, 08:44 AM
Another :eek: AAAaggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!! :eek:

Looks like firefly will have to skip the biweekly visits to the Pasar malam until 18 months later :mad:

kcchia
11-10-2004, 11:08 AM
Any idea what the traffic situation at the 2 roundabouts is like today? I left SJ early this morning (as usual) so I was unable to gauge the situation. This being the first full working day since the implementation of the sementara diversions it will give us a fair idea what to expect for the next 18 months.

Chermaine
11-10-2004, 12:18 PM
:D Suprisingly the traffic from SS19 turning to the rounabout is kinda :) *touch wood*. Since the roundabout is no longer 'round' so cars can just go straight without worrying cars from the right, think this make the traffic a bit better. But whoever want to go straight keep to the left lane to avoid cars that make U turn. Then will be fine. Traffic opp lane was quiet bad cars queing to make the U turn
I was telling my husband may be of the road closed everyone use Federal Highway or alternate way, so traffic is kinda good :p *touch wood*

Cheers Cher ;)

mysticalangel
11-10-2004, 12:35 PM
Cher, wat time did u go out ah? I was stuck around the SS19 road for about 30 mins & another 30 mins on Federal Highway, got to office at 915leh. Alot of people cutting Q one.

Chermaine
11-10-2004, 12:42 PM
Angel,

We left around 0800hr. And I reached Bangsar LRT station around 0835hr. Got onto NPE 0815hr. The jam was after the Pantai Dalam Toll exit.

Cheers Cher :cool:

mean today we were lucky, worrying about tomorrow :confused:

orchipalar
11-10-2004, 12:43 PM
Err...Orchi is guessing that Chermaine...would have to leave home before 0700hr... :o

mysticalangel
11-10-2004, 01:09 PM
Cher,

U pakai NPE isit? No wonder lah. My office in PJ New town mah so Federal Highway the most convenient lor. I also left home about 8 wat, but got stuck at the entrance towards fed highways, coz lots of cars going towards Glenmarie mah.

kwchang
11-10-2004, 01:22 PM
Use NPE to Old Town PJ interchange - toll RM1.60 only. Why lah get caught in Motorolla jam every morning? After that only a short distance to New Town PJ. I dunno if there is a jam at old town interchange bcoz I don't go that way.

mysticalangel
11-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Use NPE? I got to turn balik wat, through angkasapuri there. Angkasapuri also very jam in the morning one....:(

kwchang
11-10-2004, 02:41 PM
Angkasapuri is after the 2nd toll gate. Hey man, didn't you know you can get out at Old Klang Road at the PJ old town interchange? Maybe you are not familiar with KL-PJ roads ?

robertec
11-10-2004, 02:42 PM
A new update:

Please take note that the road closure at the Metropolitan College is not total, there is a single filter lane going toward the SJMC direction that is open.

So if you are coming from the Tujuan and Jengka direction going to SJMC you don't actually need to drive all the way around Subang Parade.

JoeJaffar
11-10-2004, 02:56 PM
mysticalangel,

you can take npe to get to pj new town. take the templer/old town exit, it's after the 1st toll. once exit into templer, take 12o'clock at the templer O, then proceed until the 2nd O, which is in front of Assunta Hospital. Take 3o'clock and you'll reach New Town. From the exit, it may take about 10 minutes cos the Templer O is always congested, but traffic police is around in the morning. And the jam is definitely shorter than Subang-Motorola stretch.

mysticalangel
11-10-2004, 03:24 PM
Ah okie....will cuba that tomorrow. :P Thankz :cool:

chsum
11-10-2004, 08:03 PM
After a few days trial, I found that there are few major problems, due to the dooms days cult prediction of the end of the world for subang roads, the traffic was light, but when the drivers come out in force then we have a problem.
1) The U turn after Jenka RA between SS18&17 cannot cater for traffic even if the road along it enlarged, lets use logic, Jenka is a two lane RA, lets assume that the entrance and exit volume are the same for all four entrence hence we need a 2 lane u-turn. The kewajipan RA is ok as we have 2 one lane u-turn, so the best solution is to open up one side of jengka RA for a one lane u-turn.

2) During morning peak time, divert traffic from SJMC going into kewajipan RA to turn left only, so they will have to u-turn further down in Sunway, this way u will ease the traffic coming from USJ along kewajipan. If possible, divert all traffic into the residential and allow exit only at the BP station further down.
During evenings peak time, place traffic police on Giant interchange, Kesas bridge interchange with priority for traffic entering USJ and at kewajipan RA with priority for traffic from SJMC and NPE going toward USJ.

Guys & gals, no point to moan or groan on this issue, like it or not, we will have to live with it for the next 18 months, lets put our heads together and make our life easier for the next 18 months. Ideas please!!

Robertec, good job on the info, keep it up. :D

lady-o-leisure
11-10-2004, 08:31 PM
Almost 8.30pm now and the traffic into Sj is still terrible along Jln Tujuan. Just pray that no home you know needs the bomba anytime soon cos i watched how they were struggling to get out into Jln Tujuan from SS17. They were stationary for almost a whole minute. That was at around 4pm today. Time to get a fire extinguisher for the home if you're living anywhere out of SS17.

pcyeoh
12-10-2004, 09:03 AM
In answering chsum's second suggestion, I have spoken to Mohd Bazly from NPE and he confirmed that this morning he will be at the Shah Alam police station to enlist the assistance of the Traffic Division. This was upon the advice of the PJ police to NPE to get Shah Alam Balai Polis to help out as anything after the Kesas flyover except USJ 1 comes under Shah Alam. The USJ 8 Pondok Polis DOES NOT have a Traffic Division as it is only a PONDOK. Only a BALAI has Traffic Division. So now you see why we need a BALAI at USJ 8 and not a GERAI.

Are you all interested in a teh tarik with Tongkat Ali session to be sponsored by NPE to share your feedback on the new traffic system on how to manage the congestion like what chsum has highlighted? I can arrange for one. Meantime, continue to put your 2 sen worth of thoughts here - sikit sikit lama lama jadi ringgit.

mysticalangel
12-10-2004, 12:18 PM
The traffic's bad on Jln Kewajipan this morning. The honking & all as usual. Actually, when I went home yesterday, I took the Sunway route, the traffic was smooth until I reached the BP station there, took me about 30 mins to get out of there.

PCYeoh...Teh Tarik session??? Hmmm...I am thinking of moving out of USJ/SJ already so I think I can still endure the jam until December or Feb at the latest...hehehe...

Can't even get on to NPE this morning. The jam was backlogged at the entrance so I took Fed Hwy instead;P

orchipalar
12-10-2004, 12:43 PM
Err...one of Orchi's regular morning routines is to drive the youngest Orchi to his kindergarden at USJ 11...at around 0800hr this morning...along Persiaran Tujuan....traffic heading towards SS19 or Federal Jamway...had back clogged away from the traffic light junction of Persiaran Perpaduan heading towards the same direction....now this is becoming to be more hopeless... :(

mysticalangel
12-10-2004, 01:44 PM
Orchi, I know. I looked out my balcony at 745 & the traffic was already back logged. In fact, I was awaken by the honking at about 715 :mad:

Teruk lah everyday like that. How to endure for the next 18 mths? :confused:

chsum
12-10-2004, 06:25 PM
orchi, you are talking about jln tujuan towards Federal jamway, if the jamway got jam then no hope lah. If the jam cause by too many cars queue for left turn into NPE then u should ask for police man at the traffic light or more green time.

Angel (not the divine one), u are talking about jln kewajipan, if what I suggested was implemented, u might see the light of the days :D
Wah u live so near the road one ah? can give road traffic update? :)

mysticalangel
12-10-2004, 07:12 PM
Court 1 is by the road mah...My block directly faces the road & I live on the top floor mah so can see. What traffic report u want? hehe...I charge 1 Teh Tarik per report leh...hehe ;)

chsum
12-10-2004, 07:22 PM
Wah so expensive one ah!! better stick back to mix fm loh, what to do.

mysticalangel
12-10-2004, 07:32 PM
Hehe...now economy bad mah...everything oso expensive wat:P

lady-o-leisure
12-10-2004, 09:51 PM
Ok Angel... you cover the traffic report along Jln Kewajipan and i shall cover the Jln Tujuan updates since i am up at 5.40am every weekday. Can also cover until late night. I dont need to charge anything since someone always seems to be so generous at the TT meets. Come to think of it... a pizza should be good for dinnertime coverage.

I really cant stand those idiots who choose to go thru the road in front of the house in order to cut thru traffic back into Jln Tujuan.. then they make a 2 way street into a one way street while blocking those who are trying to go the other way. What's more annoying is they blare their horns over and over again, in front of my house. One day i am going to throw bricks at those who honk non stop in front of my house.

Cindy Kee
12-10-2004, 09:55 PM
Lady-O-Leisure. Do not throw bricks. Quite difficult to aim because of the grip before the throw. I do archery. Perhaps I can talk to you into borrowing my crossbow? Quite lethal and thus I advise you to aim for the head. It may go through two heads. Now, that is killing two birds with one.... arrow.

;)

ericlee321
12-10-2004, 10:44 PM
天天都塞车,如果有辆可以飞天的汽车就好了,哈哈真是梦想天开。没办法,现在不
建高架天桥,将来可能会更塞车。Sunway 和 Puchong 就是一个好例子,唯有忍忍
吧。

Everyday traffic jam, if had to be allowed the flying apsaras automobile to be good, ha ha what a dream. If now does not construct the high structure over-bridge, future possibly will be worse the traffic jam. Sunway and Puchong are a good example, only has endure.

orchipalar
13-10-2004, 01:19 AM
Lady-O-Leisure. Do not throw bricks. Quite difficult to aim because of the grip before the throw. I do archery. Perhaps I can talk to you into borrowing my crossbow? Quite lethal and thus I advise you to aim for the head. It may go through two heads. Now, that is killing two birds with one.... arrow. ;)

Err...Cindy :) ...Orchi once said...your thoughts n logic(s)..were sensational...overwhelming...n breathless....err...ahem....either you must be at it again....taking every breaths out of Orchi...or what you have just suggested to Lady-O in here to use against those fellas...the poor chaps ain't gonna have any breaths or lives left in their poor souls....hehehee....clever one...you are well aware of the fact that it was The Chinese who had first invented n master the use of the crossbow....err...ahem...effectively...killing 2 birds...with 1 arrow...err...it would be quite obviously so....that they might have also used the stone....FIRST... ;) ;) :D

Ahem...hopes Chang might have 2 sens more on this...to unbury the idiom.... :D

lady-o-leisure
13-10-2004, 07:28 AM
Hi Cindy.. nice to see you back in action again after an absence. Good idea you hv there. I forgot my mom has a crossbow just sitting on top of a cupboard. Time to make good use of it. Such inconsiderate idiots we hv on the road at times. Imagine passing by in front of a residence and blaring the horns nonstop at other cars. Brainless creeps!
I could go on once again (since it's that time of mth) but will refrain. Argh.. such inconsiderate nincompoops.

... Making a detour here--- Cindy, been years since i did some archery, maybe we could get together and u can help refresh my memory and provide some tips. ....

mysticalangel
13-10-2004, 11:20 AM
Lady-o-leisure, the traffic was quite okay wat this morning despite the rain...hehe

lady-o-leisure
13-10-2004, 11:32 AM
Hi Angel.. Same here.. very surprising. Maybe this gloomy weather is making everyone feel sleepy and cool too. Traffic coming in was more though. Such a nice day.. even my 3 birds are feeling rather lazy and quiet.
Am waiting to see what the after-work traffic will be like.

pcyeoh
13-10-2004, 11:58 AM
Tested the new "circuit" yesterdy at 7.30pm and noticed 2 things. The first pain in the neck is for those who need to make the U-turn along the NPE after the Big Bird. They have to be very careful. The traffic from the Metropolitan flyover is coming down at a very high speed and they might not see you in time to slow down or even brake. The pain in the arse is at the Metropolitan roundabout. If you are coming from the police station and heading towards SJMC, there is a dedicated lane with barrier to make sure that you turn left towards SJMC. The physical barrier makes it very difficult for you to join back the main flow at the roundabout. But I noticed that inconsiderate motorists are using this lane to jump queue and rudely cut into the main flow just at the roundabout. These motorists not only cause unnecessary congestion to the main flow but also endangering those who are honestly turning left as they least expected these nincompoops (arrrgh whatever the spelling still say they are arseholes) to abruptly stop in their right of way. Other than that, I am surprised that the new system is even better. Last year's April Fool idea at the two roundabouts (it was implemented on April 1) fell flat and had to be called off 3 hours later is because MPSJ implemented "All roads lead to Rome" concept. With the 3 U-turns, we provided 3 options. In fact, the congestion at Metropolitan roundabout is caused by those traffic lights at Summit and Giant. As for the Jengka, I didn't see any congestion. It will be good if the U-turn at Jalan Subang Utama after the SS 17 Police Station can be further widen so that those making the U-turn can blend with the main flow rather than fight for space.

jeya
13-10-2004, 12:25 PM
Hi
It took 10mins to reach the Federal Highway. I left my hse. at 7.30am today fromSS14 via jalan Jengka and its roundabout and did not find any hassle. It was as smooth as butter .There were also Police and NPE staff manning the U turn too. :) :cool:


The Federal Highway was as usual a Chock a Block. :mad:

JoeJaffar
13-10-2004, 12:30 PM
build 10 lane highway also no point. malaysian drivers will still find a way to jump q, use emergency lane, make illegal u-turn. anything just to save a few seconds.

Firefly
13-10-2004, 03:28 PM
Oh another archer. Have been iching to try out my bow. It's been a longtime since shooting it. Shall we make a date to shoot at the Sunway pyrmid shooting gallery to polish our skills?

Got some uncomfirmed news that some top officials will be visiting the "road upgrading" site sometime next week. :eek:

lady-o-leisure
13-10-2004, 06:44 PM
hi Firefly... Will be fun to go in a group. Wonder why the food at the Archery area in Sunway is so popular. Saw loads of people eating there last weekend.

I was about to go throw my low cholestrol eggs at some idiots a moment ago. A 2-lane road in front of my house became a 3lane-one-way road, and people blaring their horns at each other. My bp is going up and causing me to get a migraine. At this time of month even!!! What kind of stupid sickening people are on the roads around here??? Traffic looking like usual at the moment.

Cindy Kee
13-10-2004, 07:04 PM
Firefly and Lady-O-Leisure. Archery date? No problem. However, I must tell you that there are some spineless morons in this world I would not mind using as targets. The real problem is that even if the arrow goes through the head, it would still miss the brain by about one foot.

chsum
13-10-2004, 08:04 PM
Pcyeoh, last years april fools day was implemented by a bunch of jokers, Cindy can shoot an arrow through their heads and still miss it by a mile as they do not have a brain, the difference now is the two u turn which NPE built and slightly better brain. ;)
Did anyone notice that the design of the traffic flow favours the traffic going into NPE, I think I will do that if i am the designer of the road.
And also, the majority of the traffic along kewajipan are ppl who want to avoid toll at LDP Sunway & USJ kesas (RM2.50), I have a indecent proposal which I though of for a long time, close the road from kesas turning into SJ & USJ in the morning and force everyone from kesas to go through the toll. :cool:

satish
13-10-2004, 08:34 PM
This is what happens when the "Contractor" who was given the task to Design, Build and Transfer..will definitely look after the interested party that is paying them! (NPE- for people who do not know!)
Thats why, the traffic dispersal system favours NPE. :eek:

I wonder if its true that the "Contractor" could not show the approved plans for the whole project?

And our local council claims they did not know about the project?

Imagine a contractor coming to your house garden, digging up all the grass, and carries on cementing it..without you telling him so! :(

As the saying goes:

Will the REAL Authority Please Stand Up???

fire_star
14-10-2004, 01:01 AM
Satish,

Good point. What was posted by Firefly regarding Tujuan mirrors what you have said.

MPSJ really must come clean and explain to residents the mess they have created.

mysticalangel
14-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Eh, in yesterday's Metro, MP says to avoid going onto Jln Kewajipan wor, he said there are other further routes that we can take to avoid the jam.......Which route?

kcchia
14-10-2004, 10:54 AM
There's an article in today's Star (Metro section, I think) about approval being granted to build a TUNNEL beneath the Kewajipan roundabout. However, our ADUN, Datuk LHB says that construction of the tunnel will not commence immediately due to residents' objections. Sounds like after this round of "MOTHER OF ALL JAMS" caused by NPE, there will be a sequel - "MOTHER OF ALL JAMS 2" when construction of the tunnel starts! Why can't these guys get their act together and co-ordinate their work? Reminds me of the "TNB-JKR-PUAS-JKR you dig the road - I fill it up - someone else digs again - and I fill it up again" tango!

mysticalangel
14-10-2004, 11:09 AM
Heh...speak of that, anyone know why are they constructing a mini roundabout at the junction of Bdr Sunway...the small road that is next to the shops, which I think its funny.

Firefly
14-10-2004, 03:13 PM
PCyeo just sms me on a meet the press at 3.00pm at Holidayvilla today. How lah PC, mail me at 2.30pm for 3.00 meet the press. Firefly just finish a session with NPE/LLM/MPSJ in LLM office. How to rush all over the place?? Need to work lah. My boss won't pay my bills if I don't work.

BTW, a meet the press with the Selangor exco at SS19 will be at 10.00am on Tuesday 19th October 2004. Hope to see you. :D


Oh yes, Lady-o n Cindy, please arrange and I will try to join you. :D

pcyeoh
15-10-2004, 11:37 AM
I can't help it if I too received a call confirming the meeting at the last minute too. Beside me, two others turned up for the short meeting but I cannot mention their names here as they do not want their bosses to know.Mr Neoh, the General Manager of NPE and also the Executive Director of Road Builder wanted to brief us on the new system and at the same time get feedbacks from the community. Only our heroine, Ms Anu and her photogapher from The Star were there. She seemed to get many exclusive news from the SJ/USJ Community.The rest of the people are from NPE. Our MP, YB Loh Seng Kok sent Mr. Hoo, his Research Assistant (wow, MP now have specialist) to represent him.

We refrain from commenting on the highway design (we let Semi Value the honour to do it) and we only highlighted on the traffic system to Mr Neoh on the following

1) Install a caution sign and also speedbreaker for traffic turning in from Jalan Tujuan into Jalan Subang Utama since this is a green lane. Those along Jalan Tujuan coming from USJ (the interior) turning right towards NPE (or the SS 17 Balai Polis) will bound to crash into them since their pathways criss crossed here if motorists are not careful.

2) The area along Jalan Subang Utama at the U-turn needs to be widened to allow leeway for those who U-turn here. We suggest putting up sufficient barriers (currently not enough) to separate the two flow of traffic from criss crossing at this jucture too soon.

3) We thanked him for reopening the "No Turn Left into SJMC" at the Metropolitan roundabout to ease out thing. But this left turn into Jalan Kewajipan towards SJMC needs a more robust divider to ensure that those who turn left proceed with their journey and not cut right immeditely to join the flow at the roundabout. These queue cutters disrupt the flow and even subject themselves to be banged from behind as they are supposed to proceed rather than stop abruptly to cut out.

4) The U-turn along the NPE Highway although is not a new thing, but due to the new traffic flow, traffic from SJMC are now forced to use the U-turn to proceed to Jalan Tujuan. We suggested that NPE put signages to warn those speeding down the NPE to be aware of these U - turn activites.

5) Generally we also want them to increase the font size of their signages. Currently they are too small to read.

6) Clear road lines must be drawn especially in areas where three lanes merged into two lanes at BP/Shell at Jalan Tujuan.

7) All uneven road surfaces damaged by their heavy vehicles or previous diggings for gold need to be resurfaced. Currently it is a bumpy ride.

8) At the SS 19 area, we requested that there must be ample space for children to walk since there are 4 schools in this area.

He advised us to write to LLM and he will take over from there. He wants LLM to be in the loop. That is all. If you have any other hot spots that need to be rectified, please share it here.

Chermaine
15-10-2004, 11:48 AM
Good morning Yeoh :D
Item No.6 is just :cool: ....ngam ngam good for new driver like me. Tony always complain that I don't follow the right lane, whenever reach the place will tell me to keep all the way to right....right....right...... :p

"kam sia kam sia"

Cheers, Cher

Firefly
15-10-2004, 11:59 AM
Hey PC, do you think LLM will hear you out?? From the words of Yg Bhg Dato
Ghazali, "LLM can build highways in any place they wish". Your good friend was also there and she heard that too.

pcyeoh
15-10-2004, 12:23 PM
First to answer Firefly doubt. NPE merely wants me to highlight to LLM. Whether they listen of not, the work involved are coming from NPE petty cash box. What I mean is this is not a structural modification. It is merely fine tuning. Even if LLM can build highway everywhere, we don't care if they build them in the tropical jungles but when their tarmac in on our concrete jungle, they are regulated by the Town and Local Council Act. Enough of the lawyer bit and now we move on. Oh by the way Chermaine, I notice that you haven't fixed the "noise" in your car yet.

And to more serious thing. If you think the roadworks is going to last for 18 months, then I have good news for you. From yesterday's meeting, the following statement was made by Mr Neoh.

The work here is divided into 3 stages.

Stage 1: The construction of a uni-directional dual carriage ramp (flyover) to enable traffic coming from Summit/Giant to turn directly towards Sunway will be completed in April 2005. I was told that there are 42,000 vehicles passing thru this point and out of which 25,000 head for Sunway. Neoh said that NPE has engaged a traffic consultant to study the whole area. I am also trying to get the statistics on other area as one of our residents offers to do some simulation run and come up with some suggestions or else might as well look at the crystal ball.

Stage 2: The Jalan Tujuan-Jalan Kewajipan stretch will have the lanes leading towards Kuala Lumpurs completed in September 2005. The other half leading back to Firefly's house will be completed in December 2005. That reminds Firefly to close his bedroom windows.

Stage 3: The rest of the roadworks at SS 19 and all the rest of the landscaping work will see all the dust settling in December 2005. If the current issue at this area can be settled soonest possible and the underpass is not required (there are 4 other options for the affected SS 19 residents to choose), then the champagne can be corked even earlier. And I bet you who will be here to cork the champagne and talk cock here is none other than our Semi Value. Sorry ah for the wrong spelling. Sounds alike.

When questioned by me whether we can harap this to happen especially everywhere we can see "oo ni boh guaik (in Hokkien means "got year no month") projects everywhere dragging for ages, he replied, "Here you are talking about Road Runner....er er I mean Road Builder who so far have a reputation for completing road projects on time or even earlier. I believe him 100% since this is not a government awarded project. So folks, the light at the end of the tunnel can be sighted (we have just sighted the moon) in December 2005 which is 15 months from today. Meantime we cry.

orchipalar
15-10-2004, 12:42 PM
Err....PCYeoh :) ...time n time again....you amazed Orchi....you are always up to no good with the trouble makers...hitting them right on their heads with your tools.....ahem....even at times you may have missed cued....err...serve them right....you hit them anyway :D

When there are more n more folks like you in here n in the community...our dreams of comfortable n convenient living in USJ/SJ could be coming to a reality very very soon.....thanks buddy n to all concerned for putting their best feets forward....Orchi salute you :)

orchipalar
18-10-2004, 12:24 PM
Err....for the first time in recent weeks...Orchi passed thru these dreaded roundabouts.....with flying colours...on Sunday :)

Err....otherthan a bit of confusion along the way...the whole place looks to be like a mating ground for a bunch of anacondas! :o

JoeJaffar
18-10-2004, 02:01 PM
the temporary u-turns helped a lot. compared to the previous experiments, all traffic was routed between the jengka and kewajipan O's. maybe these u-turns could later be incorporated into the NPE, but at a safer location and design.

jeya
21-10-2004, 08:03 AM
I have been using the Jalan Jengka Roundabout for the last 20 years and only of late when the NPE was opened the roundabout became a horrendeous nightmare for residents for SS14/SS18 now with the diversions in the roundabout,on the contrary,it is now a breeze to reach our homes and get out of SJ :)

jand
21-10-2004, 08:52 AM
I wrote a nice long comment regarding the traffic at the roundabouts but I had to be stupid enough to hit ctrl-r instead of ctrl-c as I intended. All gone.

In short, I don't we need the roadworks being done there. We just need a hybrid roundabout and well coordinated traffic light system.

I'll re-write again after I blow off some steam.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

mysticalangel
21-10-2004, 10:06 AM
The roadworks is a shocking thing for people who doesn't live in SJ/USJ area & took the normal route of coming into SJ/USJ. My brother came from Singapore on business & on the way to KL he decided to stop by USJ to visit me but got stuck in a bad peak hour jam on the SJMC stretch. Having breeze traffic in Singapore, he was crusing like mad & volunteered his condo in Mont Kiara for me to stay if I am looking to move....hehehe. How's that???? Cool er?

Chermaine
21-10-2004, 10:15 AM
Good morning Angel, you are so lucky to have a caring brother. If from my work to Mont Kiara, I will move even in the middle of the nite :D

mysticalangel
21-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Cher, my brother only got a sister if he dont sayang me who else he sayang. Besides the place no one staying what....

Chermaine
21-10-2004, 10:30 AM
Hehehhhehe.....then can consider move there lor Angel :D

mysticalangel
21-10-2004, 10:33 AM
Yeahlor tho I scare my sister in law dun like..dun wan to cause arguement between them

jand
21-10-2004, 08:50 PM
ok, after much venting and ruminating.. here's my take; ver. 1.0.1

it's my opinion that we can place coordinated traffic light system on the roundabouts; traffic lights will kick in during peak hours (morning rush/afternoon/going home rush).
During off peak hours the motorists can resume using the roundabouts with oversight from the traffic lights.

My reasoning for this is from my daily observation (before the change) having traffic policemen to control traffic during peak hours prevents deadlocks and the traffic flows somewhat smoothly. Hence, I see no need to build an underpass/overpass/triple-bypass/etc when the solution is so much cheaper and with less impact to the environment and quality of living in the areas affected today.

Only reason I can see behind this traffic re-routing as mentioned before by a fellow forumer is to create congestion on primary roads and provide a 'clear' alternative road via the "Safer, Quicker, More Convenient" NPE.

This tactic is reminiscent during the Three Kingdoms era where a city is surrounded with the exception of a gate for the defenders to flee. Once the defenders flees the city, they are easily cut down outside the city walls.

In this I see that from daily congestions, the motorists are 'enticed' to take the easy way out and flee into NPE and that's where they'll get 'cut down' at the toll gates.

Someone's definitely reaping the moolah while we the inhabitants will lose this neighbourhood. When the area gets walled up, it will be very much like the Sunway houses beside the LDP; noise pollution and isolation (crime goes up?).

chsum
22-10-2004, 08:15 AM
Jand, wow a fan of Three Kingdom theory (same here, I particularly like the Chu Ge Liang south campaigne theory), those driver (defender) who turn into NPE (flee the city) not all got cut down at the toll, they will use sunway-bali junction to get onto FH.
U are thinking only about traffic in ur area but not sj,usj in whole, solving the traffic problem in ur area (2 RA) is easy as what u have suggested will do, now the problem shifted to Jln Tujuan & Kewajipan, if either one of them jam up during rush hour, no matter how many flyover or bypass you make in SJ there will still be jam in ur area.
What we need here is new toll free road from FH into USJ, but it's a no win situation, when there are no traffic jam, more cars will use it to avoid paying toll, the only solution is get rid of all the toll then there will be no traffic jam. ;)

jand
22-10-2004, 11:11 AM
Another Zhuge Liang fan eh? ;) are you by any chance from SS18? I used to work with a ms. sum who lived there. :)

I must admit that I do not completely 'see' the traffic situation in its entirety but I do know where the hotspots are and they are the 2 roundabouts, the Sunway underpass, the 2 roads to USJ and the Motorola interchange.

What I've noticed is that the traffic system here acts indepently of each other (left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing) when all of them should act in concert. Instead of looking resolving the issues, the planners have decided to just dump their highways onto existing roads; traffic jams? no problem, build wider roads.
Each time the roads get saturated, they'll just keep building more and wider ones but to what end? Moore's Law doesn't apply here. There are real and immediate physical constraints and they'll definitely hit a dead end sooner rather than later.

Each new RA they build, the traffic from it will all converge into the existing exits that could only sustain the existing RAs. Their proposal may solve it for perhaps 5 years of growth.. but then another round of roadworks will come up again.
What I do care is how our quality of living can be retained close to what it was before the grand highway comes up. Can MPSJ come up with a satisfactory plan to preserve our quality of living pre-2006 or at least close to it?
I must say I'm doubtful as we just had an elephant dropped on us ants and where the elephant treads, it doesn't realise what's beneath its foot.

I say we truly do deserve an LRT system of our own; all those within SJ municipality; connect it all and end it at Subang KTM and have PUTRA extend to Subang KTM.

They can't keep throwing water at the fire 'cos this fire has greek oil in it! :cool:
If they're going to spend that money, do it for something that's truly justifiable and that way, we can persevere and live through it as we know there's a better future to look ahead.
:o

chsum
22-10-2004, 01:04 PM
Nope, do not know any ms sum in ss18.

What you suggested on LRT was discussed long time ago, cant find the thread any more ofter 9/11 terrorist attack on our website, good idea but still a long shot away 3 to 5 years?

Built Bypass & fly over takes 2-3 yrs?

Wait for toll to end 20-30yrs?

Install toll on Kewajipan & Tujuan 1 yrs? ;)

Thinking out of the box, built more school and have 1 session class. Pls see
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=4164
Takes 5-10yrs?

PCyeoh indecent proposal (SG18). Pls see http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=4710
Takes few months?

Take your pick on the solution we have for the problem, feel free to add more ideas.
Now you see Jand, we have been discussing the traffic problem long time ago

jand
22-10-2004, 02:44 PM
agreed that it wasn't a new idea, just reiterating the obvious. :)

just mighty miffed that the people planning all this are screwing the residents upside down while they live comfortable "somewhere else".
:confused:

chsum
22-10-2004, 03:51 PM
It's not new that ppl been screwing the resident, most of the time the resident kept quite and they get away with murder. Who do you blame?
How do you know that the ppl who did the planning is not staying in SJ or USJ? You know them?
We do not expect to work miracle in this forum but keep everyone inform and share ideas hopefully one day the ideas can become a reality.