Farewell to CHL

[Cool Hand Luke]

Please allow me to take this opportunity to thank Jeff Ooi and Chang for allowing me to make this my virtual home since July 2003. But most of all, I would like to thank many of the forum members because it was through their interactions which have made it meaningful. Please permit me to mention some who would always be close to my heart - Jericho, Sky, Minnie, Joecool, EJ, Janelim, Ginaphan, Lady-O, ForknSpoon, LeftSideHung, Uchangeng, Chermaine, Mandy and Romi-O (some of the names, I am sure, you would have realised that, are no longer in the forum). It was also through the forum that I have made a few friends who have now become offline firm friends. There will always come a time when a man must move on and says farewell to people and things he must leave behind. And the time has come. And I say farewell to all.

PS. And no, I would not be coming back as another nick. This is permanent.

:)

[orchipalar]

Hi Master Cool Hand Luke:) - There is, and has been absolutely no cause or need for you to leave the rest of the forumers, n this web community. Though, amongst ourselves, we may have our disagreement on certain topics, the majority of your postings, opinions, contributions and comments are valuable to Orchi, n please allow Orchi to refer as well, likewise to the rest of the seasoned or new forum members here.

This is a community effort shared by all, provided freely by Jeff Ooi n his fellow moderators.

Even if you are contemplating to move out of this community physically to another community away, there is always a place in our hearts here, where you belong. Therefore, Orchi wishes that you stay in touch always.:)

[janelim]

CHL,
Its sad to know that you are leaving the forum. You have been quiet all this while, but your presence yesterday makes hell of a lot of difference !!

I honestly miss your lovely poems, and not forgetting the book that you are writing (so far still 2-pages??).. I will always remember you as someone genuine, honest, sincere, full of qualities in ALL YOUR POSTINGS in the forum (not that kind of ****-stuff like some)....and in all honesty, we will definitely miss you CHL.

Well, i can conclude that through it all, there are people who have openly criticised you and wish you were sent to the gallows, and yet in their hypocrisy still request that you stay in the forum.

Remember CHL, you still have lots of friends (one of them is my son, who can see from Day1, the quality stuff from you), and we will always treasure you.

[lord]

And when is it your turn, Jane? Just asking.

JEFF OOI: May I ask, my Lord, since when we have made you our servant to serve quit notice to our tenants?

This convinces me that we are still infants in believing that Internet can make a difference to a thinking society.

I personally feel that only Talibans and Osamas would kill off people they don't see eye-to-eye with. Not in my Subang Jaya neighbourhood, I want to believe.

So, please don't make this e-community we have nurtured so painstakingly a hostile place. Would you be kind to retract your words against Janelim, which I think is getting very personal?

Will you, my Lord?

[pcyeoh]

I am begining to see more and more people shedding crocodile tears here.

JEFF OOI: "Crocodile tears"?

Can you please elaborate who are you insinuating at? As this thread is left by CHL, and he is the one who is leaving, are you implying CHL is the buaya here?

Or who have come and left were buayas who shed tears?

You may be sending a signal and message that will arouse ill-feelings. My thoughts on this "thinking society" has been poured out above, to my Lord.

Hey folks, don't use this as a platform as if this is a funeral parlour. We must respect people who want to leave just like we welcome new comers with open arms. This is not our permanent home. I have once left this forum quietly but have left the back door opened. So when I came back, I could still hold my head up high unlike those jokers you see on TV when they were led to the court house. People have reasons for leaving. I left the forum two years ago to cool down when the Chee Wen and the Wawasan issues were too hot to handle. I was called names even my father would squirm in his grave. And what happened at the teh tarik session recently was simply amazing. One of them is my good buddy now. Here I am talking about Topguru. Hey bruder guruji, care for another round of teh tarik this Saturady with yaneh....er er..it should be aneh? Sorry in the process of learning Tamil from my friends in Brickfields, I always mix up the elephant and big brother.

[pcyeoh]

In a lighter vein, Jeff, you must excuse and pardon my lord (spelt with a small L or else we are treating him like God) Looking at the number of posts registered, with that post he has hit 444. So he must have been possessed.

JEFF OOI: I hope my Lord won't turn worse when his postings hit 666. :D

But My Lord at 444 wasn't the kind of Lord I knew when he was 111. I think I will turn up at Soliano's place this Friday. I want to claim my beer from him for almost this place as hostile as Taliban's.

[jeffooi]

I am standing in as Moderator as Chang is at-large on official assignment.

[lord]

Guys, i thought this place is supposed to be neutral, responsible and err... what was the other thing?!!! I write, you bambu me, I take it, no questions, so, I'm responsible what!! What's the problem?!

JEFF OOI: So My Lord, when I speak up you take it as I bambu you? You can't take it when I speak up, yes?

I am asking again - by you asking Janelim (I don't know from where you inherit this right in this e-Community where we have laid down the ground rules & netiquettes when you signed up as a user) about when's her turn after CHL, and avoiding my asking for clarity - are you still insisting that you want to see Janelim leave like CH?

Yes, in simple language, are you serving a quit notice to Janlim whether we like it or not?

Yes, I am asking a very neutral question: Are you unilaterally serving a quit notice to JaneLim? Remember, it came from you!

Definitively, I want to be seen as I am not shirking my duty as a Moderator who wants to be responsible for what goes on in this web forum where everybody is respected for what one says, including yours.

But hey Jeff, Tristano this Friday, beer, psst.... can settle one. You come.

[pcyeoh]

Jeff you have to follow the sequence of posting. First CHL bid us goodbye and then Orchi came in next and said "There is, and has been absolutely no cause or need for you to leave the rest of the forumers, n this web community." Then this lady came in and passed comments like " there are people who have openly criticised you and wish you were sent to the gallows, and yet in their hypocrisy still request that you stay in the forum." So can I and the rest of the forumers.... oh forget about the rest of the forumers, conclude that the crocodile tears were shed by none other than Orchipalar. We don't need a forensic cyber analyser, if there is one to make the same conclusion. It is elementary. I must say CHL is not a buaya. He is a different kind of animal.

I must retract my statement "I am begining to see more and more people shedding crocodile tears here" to "I can see someone shedding crocodile tears here."

JEFF OOI: Don't insinuate, go straight and - for clarity sake - please define, who's THAT someone you said "I can see someone shedding crocodile tears here".

How do you justify calling somebody who has chosen to leave this forum on his on accord - hence wouldn't be able to respond if he keeps to his promise - <font color="red">"a different kind of animal</font>".

Are you intent on starting a name-calling trend in this web forum?

What's the beef?

[Chermaine]

Bye CHL, wish you all the best and feel free to come back if you like do some posting or if your fingers feel like hitting on the keyboard.
Can always come back and share with us how is your Tiara :p
Be Cool~

Cheer Cher

[pcyeoh]

I thought I just pointed him out. I am saying from the first 3 postings, I can safely say that Orchipalar is the buaya. There is no beef here. It is crocodile meat.

BTW, I don't mean to call him an animal. When I realised that the word should be mammal, I editted it, send but the forum engine prevented me from doing so when it says "nobody can post a second time within 60 seconds" or something like that. My apology to CHL (can somebody convey my apology to him)

I don't intend to start the name calling here. I am not like those MPs in Parliament. They can as they have parliamentary privilege. Here I can get sued.

[Chermaine]

Sound so sad here..... :( I still prefer my old home :(

[jeffooi]

To PC Yeoh's 12:03 posting in this thread:

PC, You now shifted gear to call - put aside friend or foe, acquiantance or buddy - Orchipalar aka Christopher Ng the buaya.

My original question again: Are you intent on starting a name-calling trend in this web forum, no matter such act may degrade the perceived image of this web forum into a vile chatroom? Or strike horror at the new-comers?

(I am writing in simple English) What's the beef?

[Chermaine]

shake hands and leave everything aside, may be some misunderstanding (since my english is bad I may interpret wrongly) just remember the time we had on the 1st TT at Stadium Curry House.

Forgive and Forget

Remember the good things and leave the bad things behind

:(

[tnn]

adios CHL !

hope you won't be back using another nick

[janelim]

chermaine, do u mean that calling a person an animal is a misunderstanding and also asking when is my turn to leave the forum is also a misunderstanding???

[jeffooi]

By the way, while you have the liberty to edit your postings, you should limit to only grammatical errors but should leave the original words intact.

One's integrity will be sake if an earlier posting which become a key point of contention is erased totally, as has been done to PC Yeoh's posting at 12.03pm.

This tentamounts to erasing facts.

Options available to mitigate this - in order to uphold the sense of RESPONSIBILITY in forum posting - is to:

( 1 ) Create a new reply in the same thread

( 2 ) Use html tag for strike (arrow keys without spacing) for the words intended to be deleted, but retained for cross-reference.

Eg: He is an animal.

Use HTML tag with arrow keys: He is < strike >an animal< /strike> a mammal.

*(Pls don't spacing after-and-before the arrow keys, but I seperated them for this example or else it gets executed and you won't see the methodology.

The end result would be like this:

He is <strike> an animal </strike> a mammal.

That's what's normally being practised in weblogs and forum posting where credibility is held in reasonably high regards.

[Chermaine]

I better keep my mouth shut since my english is poor. Otherwise my husband will scold me getting into this.........sorry guys

Cheers, Cher

[Yourdadisangry]

apa ini gaduh2 lagi...aiyaaaa...... sudah besar pun mau gaduh2....

JEFF OOI: Look, I don't think we are running a 1995 Internet ChatRoom here where nicks disparage nicks.

It's not a gaduh, but an intellectual intercourse to debate key issues related to web forum governance:

( 1 ) Can any forumer in this website assume the right to serve a quit notice to a fellow forumer?

( 2 ) What's the beef to start name-calling (animals, buaya etc) if not to directly or indirectly, attempt to degenerate this award-winning website into something that's no different from teens' chatroom?

I want you to know that the Moderators CANNOT run away from this responsibility in the light of several lessons learnt in here.

[tupai]

its elementary...when some one wants to leave, he/she leaves. Therefore, he/she won't be reading any more of this.
why fight over a good bye??
Is it important?

keith khoo formerly tupai

JEFF OOI: This thread is definitely a simple, innocent farewell from CHL. Nobody can deny him his right of such gesture.

This innocent posting was followed by

( 1 ) _Lord_ who impertinently asked JaneLim when is her turn to follow suit.

( 2 ) _PC Yeoh_ who insinuated on "crocodile tears", and subsequently when asked questions on clarity, words like buaya, animal and mammals were brought in, insinuating on the persons of CHL and Orchipalar aka Christopher Ng.

We do not want Moderators to be accused of not being INDEPENDENT, NEUTRAL & RESPONSIBLE, so we started to ask hard but straight-forward questions for clarity to the two persons.

They ducked, so far.

But this thread, in all fairness, was started as an innocent farewell. But he was being treated the way he was... animal, mammal etc.

I am asking again: WHAT'S THE BEEF?

[janelim]

quote:
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adios CHL !

hope you won't be back using another nick
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tnn,
If you are ignorant, may I suggest that you go back to CHL post where he has mentioned at the bottom which will answer your curiosity.
By the way, has CHL offended you in anyway tnn, in any of his postings so far?

JEFF OOI: My advice is, JaneLim, by taking your present stance however much you sympathise with CHL, you may be miscontrued as being partisan.

[Firefly]

Good Bye. Hope to see you here again.

Will miss crossing swords with ya. It had been fun.

Like the old saying only sticks and stones will break the back, not words.

[pcyeoh]

Hey come on. This is not a English class where all our postings are being scrutinised for not only grammatical mistakes but its true meaning as well. We don't need people to do cross examination here. I fully agree with Jeff about editting so I need to enrol for the class how to do it technically. I still cannot understand the HTML method (does it stand for How To Multilate Language or How To Mind your Language?).

JEFF OOI: There are two options to maintain the integrity of a forumer and to avoid from being called an "eraser" in web forums - as I have mentioned.

If you don't know HTML tag, there is no excuse that you can't create a new "reply" in the same thread.

Coming back to the beef part, I still don't get you. I still see crocodile meat. Maybe we have teh tarik this Saturday and talk over it.

JEFF OOI: Re "What's/Where's the beef", it's an idiomatic expression I learned during secondary school. For authenticity sake, I quote from www.dictionary.com:

<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=where's%20the%20beef">dictionary.reference.com/search?q=where's%20the%20beef</a>

Go find out.

But I am asking you, what's your intent in time-and-again, bent on resorting to name-calling (eg animal, buaya, mammal etc) in this forum?

What's the beef?

[lord]

Jeff, I have not ducked thus far as what you have mentioned. I believe there are no right or wrong answers, what is right for me is wrong for you and vice versa.

Since you want it to be as open as possible, open I will. When Jane stated in a forum about laughter and jokes (forget the name) how children should not be allowed to be with SEX PREDATORS on an outing, no moderators came to moderate the thread, even after knowing who she reffered to. It was ok for the moderators when a persons reputation and credibility is tarnished at the expense of keeping harmony in the forum. What am I missing, Jeff?

You said in a posting not long after that, you trust 150% completely on Chang's moderation, I do to. And Chang went on to say how this was our second home which I personally fully agree. But if 2 brothers were at each other in a home, don't you think the rest of the family members should either offer to resolve the problem or stay out and not turn into a flintsone? That's exactly what happened. CHL and Janelim had a field day at the others expense. If Chang was serious when he said about the home and all, the moderators as the elders should have apprehanded them at the beginning itself.

Of course Jeff, with all due respect and gratitude, you hold the keys to this website. But when you talk about justice, we want to see it and not feel otherwise. Why, I know what I said to Jane is wrong but I just cannot lie down and see her write whatever she wants at her whims and fancies and everything goes by without check and balance as practised on the others. That's blatantly unfair.

JEFF OOI: You have been irrelavant after 4 paragraphs.

My original question is: Are you insisting that you have the right to serve a quit notice to a fellow forumer in this web forum?

This is the very motive I have wanted you to clarify.

Answer me on my original question. Yes OR No. That simple.

Yes, when my posting was at 111, I was different. Now, having tasted how it is to express oneself, I agree I'm a bit bold in my expression. But that's that, period!!

JEFF OOI: The same rule applies. We as a community website have also matured over the last 4 years to become an INDEPENDENT, NEUTRAL & _RESPONSIBLE_ website recognised by many who contributed in the form of millions of hits and pageviews.

Yes, we have become bolder, like you.

But unlike you, we believe that with boldness comes responsibility. This is also an imperative that we - the website as well as the people behind this double-award winning website which is also the subject of academic researches from International universities - must be credible, and must be seen to be credible.

Do you intend to let researchers from overseas to look at us as nothing but a bunch of name-calling forumers? Do you want us to be labelled as one that, in the name of being bold, you can serve a quit notice to fellow forumer?

Tell us, if that's your motive all along: That's to cast aspersion on this community website and the residents who inhabit it.

Our beef is plain simple.

We wouldn't allow anyone to come bastardising this website we have nurtured painstakingly over the years.

If we are not allowed to express freely and if we are going to be dictated what to post and what we can't, I'm sad to note what this forum has turned into.

For this, we will hold by the rules you have agreed when you first signed in to use this forum.

Yes, read my lips, we will hold you by the balls - this is also an English expression - on this criteria for decorum.

But, we are very sure of which direction we want this forum and website to lead to, that is to foster community bonding, and NOT to break it.

Now answer my original question: <font color="red">Are you insisting on serving the quit notice to a fellow forumer, in this case, I read it as JaneLim?</font>

[lord]

Jeff, NO. I AM NOT SERVING A QUIT NOTICE TO ANYONE. READ MY POSTING, "JUST ASKING" WAS AT THE END. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A DEMAND. Get it. I was just being sarcastic.

Thanks!!

JEFF OOI: <font color="red">Thanks for the clarification. That's what I actually asked, nothing more nothing less originally.

While sacarsism can be high-class fun when both parties involved are close peers, it may be misconstrued as otherwise in other circumstances.

Having learned that you have become bold over the Internet-isation process, my next question is:

HOW SURE are you about how your intended recipient would react positively to your being... sarcastic and in public eyes like in here?

They only know you by a moniker, you know?

Remember, we are on this virtual realm, you can't really see the other party's body language when you uttered in words what you did.

Your answer please... we are talking about being RESPONSIBLE... something you mentioned earlier on.</font>

[lady-o-leisure]

My Goodness!! or whatever that's left of it...

I get a call from USA telling me CHL is leaving the forum for good and that things are getting messy in here. All in a few hours?
People!! ( not animals).... Are you all carrying on in a debative way to clarify positions or just bitching about things that dont really matter greatly? Take a little breather, get off this forum for a couple of hours to reflect and cool off, then after you have done that, but still not satisfied, you might as well come back and say whatever it is that's bugging you. If it is still not satisfactory, i suggest you take a course on anger management and get a life outside this forum.

The changes around here have been immense in the last one year, but it seems that each time there might be hope for it to return to normality, things go 2 steps back instead.

I dont blame CHL for giving up on this forum, to remain sane. For someone who is sensitive to people's existance, such as him, i imagine it has been hard for him to make a decision such as this, but if the community can no longer be helped thru this website, maybe he will channel his mind towards more progressive areas where people can discuss and behave/discuss in a civilized manner.

Please people, take time off to think about what you really want to do here.

[lord]

I knew that was coming, Jeff. You are truly a great fisherman! You should have asked Janelim this question, HOW SURE are you about how your intended recipient would react positively to your being... sarcastic and in public eyes like in here? when she was sarcastic to PC and Orchi aka Christopherng. But of course, she's a lady.

And just for the record, if someone else would have mentioned the same thing about Janelim, I would have argued in the same manner.

JEFF OOI: No, youhave taken your personal perception as plain truth. That's dangerous in a public domain like this.

It's because you posted the question to JaneLim in public, hence I went along with you in public.

If JaneLim had gone public, I would have gone along with her in public. In fact, I DID HAVE gone along with her in public, in this thread, at 1.20pm. Go check it out.

But by insinuating that I had treated JaneLim differently as I addressed you, my Lord, you are doing a round of <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ad%20hominem">ad hominem</a> to your credit.

Me a "great fisherman"?... Since I become your "target" this time, let me advise you this: Don't ever call people names so that you won't land yourself in a tight spot.

No, I am not interested in utilising my time the way you did to yours, I have other bread and butter issue to chase everyday. If I have my way, I would rather use my time in a more productive manner.

But I also cannot want to stand accused that I don't do my job as a stand-in Moderator. Hence, I engage you for a frank conversation on the two issues I felt pertinent to the credibility of this website:

( 1 ) <font color="red">Sarcastically</font> asking a fellow forumer when to quit like CHL;

( 2 ) Name-calling fellow forumer like animal, buaya and mammal etc...

If you think my engaging you in a meaningful conversation to and ask questions on clarity of thouhjts makes me a "great fisherman", obviously that's your right, but obviously you and I are of different class.

[pcyeoh]

As I have said, let me tell you the beef part only if I know there is beef here. As far as I am concern, there is no hidden agenda. I am only trying to be PC - Politically Correct. I condone name calling in the forum.

JEFF OOI: It's your business to condone name-calling in the forum.

But it's ABSOLUTELY our business to ensure that NO NAME-CALLING may be allowed in this forum as we want to live up to our stature as a double-award winning website. I believe all of us have our bit of self-esteem to retain.

Let me reiterate in no uncertain terms that we will hold each and every forumer by the terms and consitions you have agreed to upon signing up as a user of this forum.


What I posted in my sincere reply. If I said Orchi is said to be shedding crocodile tears, only buaya can shed it. It doesn't come from say Anjing....oops another animal pop up. Sorry for that. If I want to resort to name calling, not to boast, I am in the same league as Karpal Singh and Lim Kit Siang.

JEFF OOI: Please don't gerrymandeer on this imperative of no name-calling in this web forum.

I must agree with Debbie that all of us take a breather. Part of the Anger Management Course is counting 1 - 100 to cool down. Others may need to count to 999. Some, in your words during the good old days, needs air kelapa muda tambah ais (tambah ais is my addition) And there are still others that need to be put in the freezer. So for the sake of sanity, less words said the better. So can Jeff defer the exam till this Friday

JEFF OOI: You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't and hadn't say I will have any exam or any sorts, AND Friday is of no relevance to me.

You have to be SOLELY responsible with you say...

when we can have a round of teh tarik this Friday (sorry this Saturday have to attend a farewell dinner for the OCP of USJ 8 Pondok Polis, Chief Inspector Rizal who is transferred to Kelang. There is a change inof guard at USJ 8)

Let us all participate in the smoking of peace pipe.

JEFF OOI: Peace pipe? Would my Lord - who professed to be sarcarstic towards JaneLim - take the cue from PC Yeoh?

You can't simply hurl a sarcascism in this public place and walk away as if nothing has happened?

Don't worry, we are not using Orchi peace pipe as shown in his avatar. The details is as follow

Date: Friday 18 June
Time : 9.30pm onwards
Place: Sri Melor (Jeff's favourite spot but must check if he sells kepala here.

JEFF OOI: "Sell Kepala"? Please qualify what you try to imply this time. I am in a serious mode as a Moderator.

Secondly, you are putting words in my mouth again. It's wrong facts! Sri Melor is NOT my favourite spot. I have mentioned about it being dirty months ago in this web forum.

Most importantly, I wanna argue on principle of privacy.

Don't you think I should have my own choice of favourite spot and you don't have to decide - WRONGLY - on my behalf as per my personal preference.

Can you please retract? Your fact about me is definitely wrong!

See you

[Firefly]

Seeing how roudy and unruly this community can be, firefly here also bid thee all nice neighbours farewell.

Thanks for the eye opener.

Firefly here may be back when thing cool down. So for the time being, Firefly here bid thee farewell.

[pcyeoh]

I thought I can practise the HTML editing here but was blur blur when I went into the mode so might as well revert to the traditional one.

1. I don't mean to say I condone. It should be "I DO NOT condone......... Holy smoke, imagine a typo error can totally change the meaning.

2. Ok, this is not an exam and Friday is also not relavant here.

3. Instead of Kepala, it should be spelt as "Kelapa (coconut)" With the error corrected, there shouldn't be any implication. I am also very serious.

4. My apology to Jeff for saying Sri Melor is his favourite spot. In fact he did complained about the place at one time.

5. Can we have KW Chang back? The beef is at least he gives us a freer hand. No offence to you Jeff.

5. I am not going to say anything further on this matter. This will never end. I am taking 5 days off and enrol myself in the Anger Management Course suggested by Debbie.

[jeffooi]

Cool Hand Luke... I still believe your farewell message was an innocent one.

I don't know we have become a dead town in here. But at least it's not littered with anger, innuendoes, misdirected angst and bad vibes.

For a while, for now.

[jericho]

Hey CHL Dude,

Your input in this forum will surely be missed.

No, you don't have to come back as another nick but you can always come back as CHL whenever you wish to have small talks with your buddies :)

Now let me bid you a <B>Jamaica Farewell</B> ;) Forget about the 'little girl' part, just think of the 'rum' which is good any time of year. :D

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Adios my friend..........

As for the rest, please do not hijack this simple farewell thread which I believe other would like to pay their tribute to CHL.

[tupai]

chl is gone, probably to jamaica...he will be missed but he ain't reading this vvvitopic anymore.

the page views & blue/black/red responses ain't no bad for a simple good bye thread:D

keithK

[May may1203]

CHL..............Oh no, how heart -wrenching!!
Why????

I can't believe that ...
Dont say GOOD BYE CHL!!!:(
I hope can read you post again:)

[clarence]

People come People go
People write People read
People laugh People cry
Peolpe Love People Hate
People good People bad

Best of all I love you, ChL, Take care and be merry always.

[aimless]

guys!

sorry, i'm real blur... havent been following matters of late...

can someone summarise for me - why is CHL leaving, and why is there such great hue and cry in this thread?

thanks - would appreciate it

[tupai]

p/s
the beef is rendang...duh. and u can't find tat in jamaica. but 'he' is NOT reading cos he is outta here.

keithK

[brown]

Farewell CHL. You are a good man. You have done your part for the community. Jeff has started a noble idea but some forum participants disharmonised it.

I know CHL in person but I don't think he knows that. I was staying in USJ before and met Jeff Ooi and the gang in Seri Melur Restaurant more than one occasion.

I have moved away from USJ to another state and still check the forum now and then. I used to like the forum topics but not anymore because it has become a place to discuss and debate a topic in a non constructive, productive and pragmatic manner. So I just observe.

Keep up the good work guys.

[ungkb]

To CHL,

Adios ...