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Naka
21-05-2004, 03:30 PM
I am shocked & ashamed to find such abuses exists in Malaysia.
Who is this MD & his 36 year old wife.
Sigh!
Sigh!
Sigh

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Shocking case of abused Indon maid

BY PARVEEN GILL
KUALA LUMPUR: A severely bruised and scalded maid, described by officials as the worst abuse case they have seen, has been given shelter at the Indonesian embassy here.


Nirmala Bonet just before she started work in September.
The wife of a managing director has been remanded for nine days to help police investigate the matter.

The plight of 19-year-old Nirmala Bonet came to light after a condominium guard saw her sitting and crying on a staircase, with ugly bruises all over her swollen face and bleeding from the head and mouth on Monday afternoon.

He called police, who were shocked to find that her whole body, including her breasts and back, was severely burnt and scalded.


19-year-old Nirmala Bonet showing the injures sustained over the last five months while working as a maid for a couple in Jalan Tun Razak.
They then took the girl to hospital for treatment and later to the Indonesian embassy where she was given shelter.

Nirmala, from Kupang in Nusa Tenggara Timur, came here in September last year with the hope that her parents, both farmers, would be happy and proud of her when they saw how much money she earned for them.

When I go back, what am I going to tell my parents when they see all the scars? she asked.

Nirmala claimed that for the last five months her employer s wife had abused her daily, burning her with a hot iron, pouring boiling water on her and using other objects to hit her.

She said she had many opportunities to escape but did not know where or whom to seek help from.

Nirmala said the first time she was abused was when she accidentally broke a mug while washing it.

She (employer s wife) then threw boiling water on me.


One day, she got upset while I was ironing. She said the clothes had not been properly ironed and slapped me.

She took the iron out of my hand and pressed it against my breasts, said Nirmala.

She said she would only be given medication if she asked for it and she was expected to wake up at 6am every day despite her injuries and condition.

Dang Wangi OCPD Asst Comm Hadi Ho Abdullah said Nirmala was treated for her injures at the Kuala Lumpur Hospital. ..............

KH EE
21-05-2004, 04:07 PM
From what I saw on last night's TV3 nightline, it was a Chinese lady being led to the lockup (eat ur heart out, astro!). Some daily said that she's 34 yrs old.

What is frightening is that she may hv abused her 4 kids too, ranging from 8mths to 8 yrs old. I pity the kids, with no one to look after 'em, esp with the impending arrest of the father.

orchipalar
21-05-2004, 04:16 PM
Hi buddy KH EE:) - Orchi is afraid this might just be a tip of a larger iceberg. Imagine the looks of the faces of their own kids(abused too?), when they might be caught in the tussle, n got 'taken' up by welfare in the process also would then be sent to other 'homes'.....:(

KH EE
21-05-2004, 04:24 PM
It really saddens me to think of kids being "tussled" around. What kids need are the type of experience that you all shared at the "Down Memory Lane" posting.

Here's hoping that the kids r ok & not abused or that the father won't be arrested.

orchipalar
21-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Hi buddy KH EE:) - There are people crying for stiffer sentences already. Even from those on all levels of society n authorities. The aftermath of what is going to happen next, especially with the family's kids would just be as saddening....:(

Just saw the pics on JO screenblog....n read em public outcries of unimaginable proportions from all sorts of people....:(

In NST today, ministers spoke of stiffer penalties with pics of smiling faces of themselves, including the X mca boss himself being the co-donator of RM30,000(around 60 million rupiah) to the abused maid as compensation for her medical treatment of her physical injuries sustained from the alleged abuse. What about the emotional trauma caused?

Then again, what about the couple's kids' sufferings?

BTW, Lee Lam Thye said 'No need to go to the extreme':(

achee
21-05-2004, 05:01 PM
:eek:

All four kids are taken care by paternal grandma who came all the way from Sibu. Don't worry about the kids (maybe they are better off without mom) because people who love kids would have passion for others too.

I don't think I am far from being wrong to assume that this finance officer's wife (MM "demote" the hubby???) is the treating the kids well ........

:mad:

mallanhead
21-05-2004, 05:28 PM
My office collegue said the maid hurt herself (self inflicted) because it is so bad. If the majikan did it, why wont she runs away before it gets worse.

But I think she did not run away because she does not know where to run to. If she did it herself, why didnt her majikan stops her from doing it or sent her back to even take her to see doctor. I bet you, if it is self inflicted the first thing I would do is sent her back to the agent before she do any harm to my own children.

Unlike the Filipinos maid, Indonesian maid does not have the extensive support from their government. You try to do the same things to them, the whole government of Philipines will jump.

Whoever you are, and how high class you are, so shouldnt treat another human being so bad. Even we treat our pet better...

It was sickening to see what has happen to that poor girl. I hope the government will take stiffer action and not just panas-panas tahi ayam.

We are Malaysia and I am proud to be one. But to see how other malaysian can act, I feel ashamed of it. Especially to my foreigner husband who show me the newspaper yesterday......

Are we that bad.....

HTH
21-05-2004, 05:33 PM
These are all physical abuses but there are also other forms of abuses such as long working hours, non-halal food for Muslim maid, working under extreme condition etc. They are also human being, not slaves, treat them as a family member.

This morning I was at Sri Melur when i saw a family of three with their maid. The father and the mother were busy having their meal and reading newspaper, while the maid was busy attending to the small kid. The maid was standing, at all time, next to the kid, no food, no drink, not even sitting down for once. Really reminds me of a slave. sad....

achee
21-05-2004, 05:36 PM
If the Philippines govt jump should the same happened to their maids, it's okay.

But as for the indonesians, though their govt/embassy doesn't give that much support, there are 100s of thousands other indonesians here who may wake up and protest. What if this happen? And we know it well they can be very rowdy. They dare die!

HTH
21-05-2004, 05:43 PM
Agree with u, mallanhead. The injuries are not self inflicted. I saw Buletin 1.30 yesterday showing the injuries she has on her body, examined by TV3 reporter. On her back, there was burned mark made by a hot iron, with the pointed front of the iron pointing upwards when it was pressed to her body. That could not have been done by herself.

When asked on why she did not seek help for her abuses, she said she didnt know how and she was scared. I thnk that is the problem. Maids are not trained or informed on how to get help if they are experience something like this.

spiderman
21-05-2004, 09:07 PM
This kind of ppl should be locked up for life. I am shocked that this kind of barbaric treatment can happen... very sad.

Eventhough she is a maid, she shouldn't be treated like that... she is human just like us.

simon_tan
22-05-2004, 12:33 AM
I would like to suggest that ALL maids, like any employees be given at least a day off every week.

I am certain that if these maids are expected to be in public by themselves, this "shocking cruelty" would be not be left unchecked.

Yes, a stiff sentence should be given in this instance too !

Looking at what has happened in jails in Iraq, Palestine, Bosnia - this behaviour is a raceless and borderless shame.

tan_r
22-05-2004, 12:40 AM
What Private Lynndie England did in Abu Ghraib pales against the actions of this sick woman. Lock her up for good, I say.

orchipalar
22-05-2004, 01:16 AM
Hi:) - Just came out of the late night news by TV3. Talk about rubbing more salts onto the poor girl's wounds n emotional trauma, everybody from the relevant ministries, presses, n parties or whatever busy body there are out there, have been dragging her from one press session to another press session, release after release, thoughout the past couple of days, subjecting her to taking her blouse or shirts off n on, put on n off again, for all them photo sessions, for what in heck or heaven for, which would do any bit of good to her in the first place. LEAVE THE POOR GIRL ALONE with the proper authority, Please, Please!:(

Enough is enough of it, what more can anyone hopes to prove or show off from these publicity events...:confused:

Now, with all them 'proposal' n talking' only, some authority has just propose also that in future, all employers of foreign maids would be required to undergo n pass a mandatory psychiatric tests before being given the permission to hire foreign maids

In addition, it has been proposed also that eligible employers have to sign some kind of a separate agreement with the relevant authority rather than with the maids' agencies(currently being practiced) to ensure the eligible employers' responsitbility n well beings that the maids would be employed n treated in better manners as oppose to the existing 'non effective' governing rules n regulations.:confused:

achee
22-05-2004, 01:35 AM
Now the govt is over-reacting.

Previously they were saying that this is an isolated case and doesn't reflect Malaysians. But now, every employer will have to go thru the psychiatric test.:confused:

Imagine achee having to stand in a queue having to go thru psycho test when needing a maid. Together in line, achee may see orchi HTH, simon_tan, mallanhead etc-etc., all trying to look straight!!!;)

orchipalar
22-05-2004, 01:53 AM
Hi Achee:D - ALA MAK! Die man Orchi die man, imagine if some members here are being among the panel of 'qualified' psychiatrists for 'FOMEMA' or something like that, Orchi n pcYeoh would surely be flung-ing the tests for sure man, even without having to physically the chance to sit for it too....:(

We would really be kissing our hopes of gettin our replacement maids goodbyes for sure then:(

achee
22-05-2004, 11:56 AM
May 22, 2004 11:56 AM

Maid Abuse: Housewife Charged


KUALA LUMPUR, May 22 (Bernama) -- A housewife, Yim Pek Ha, was charged in the Sessions Court here Saturday with four counts of voluntarily causing grievous hurt to her Indonesian maid.

Yim, 36, who was on the verge of tears, pleaded not guilty to all the charges which were read out to her in Cantonese by a court interpreter.

Yim faces three charges of voluntarily causing grievous hurt to Nirmala Bonat, 19, with dangerous weapons, namely an iron and hot water, at her house at 33B-25-6, Villa Putera, Jalan Tun Ismail, here, in January, March and April this year.

She is also charged with voluntarily causing grievous hurt to Nirmala with a metal cup at the same place at 3pm on May 17 this year.

Judge Aktar Tahir denied bail and Yim will be remanded at the Kajang Prison pending trial on July 26-28.



Go to www.bernama.com.my. Photo just published. Clear shot meh!!!

KH EE
22-05-2004, 12:25 PM
goto screenshots for a link to utusan online for her pic.

is the plot thickening when the hubby lodged a police report that the injuries were self-inflicted & that RM10K was stolen by the maid... when the maid said that she has no hard feelings...

well, the upcoming trial this Jul 26-28 will reveal more.

also did u all read the story of the maid who was not paid RM5.5K by a 40 yr old divorcee in SJ? (TheStar pg. 4). looks like similar maid stories will be shown by all medias... but it's good that the media r also showing good maid-employer story like on today's star also on pg. 4.

topguru
25-05-2004, 10:45 AM
my sister maid ran away yesterday with a bangladesh shah rukh khan impersonator? what to do mann? she has taken about RM700 from the kids piggy bank too.:eek:

cskok8
25-05-2004, 11:24 AM
Maids from Indonesia are supposed to be at least 25 years old. This girl is 19 and looks her age. How did she manage to get here?

Firefly
25-05-2004, 11:31 AM
Topguru, you have to make a police report and this report must be submitted to the immigration else you will not be able to hire another foreigh maid as your record will show you have one still under your employment. The police will also fine you RM250.00 :( This amount will be use to send the maid back if she is caught. You will also need to inform your agency for a replacement. most agency gives a minimum 6 months warranty of employment but levi must be paid in full again by you :(

All in all, we are on the loosing end. My dad's indon maid also ran away :D. Took with her 2 grasscutting sears, a portable radio and some $$$. What else is missing is still not fully determined. :(

What 25 years old!!! so far the 2 previous maids were not even 20. This 1 that ran away, is 22. :mad:

Firefly
25-05-2004, 11:37 AM
KH EE, if what the accusations are correct/true, there is gonna be lots of red faces.

10K+ stolen, now donations pouring in... She is going home really rich!!!

Sorry I am on the side of the employer until she is proven guilty. No human can inflict so much damage without feeling guilty.

pcyeoh
25-05-2004, 01:14 PM
A Great Teacher who taught compassion and forgiveness was put in a tight spot when a mob caught a woman commiting adultery and pose the question on punishment to Him. It was obvious that she should be stoned to death. The Great Teacher replied, "Let those without sin, cast the first stone." Now, this maid abuser of the modern era is caught for inflicting injuries on this maid and I was there looking for the biggest stone I can lay my hands on. The mob was simply unimaginable. They did not hesitate to cast the first until the last stone and until no stone is available. Even government ministers and those in the judiciary joined in the fun. As for me, I was glad that I was looking for the biggest stone. While looking for it, I have the time to think more deeply. Why does she do that? She has just given birth to her fourth child and could this be the result of post natal depression? She must have a reason that snapped her mind and turn her into an animal or monster as many would not hesitate to label her. Isn't there some mitigation factor everybody failed to or refuse to see as all their minds are clouded by the photo that painted a billion pixels. Let the court first try her and I hope it will temper justice with compassion. So far I don't see that happening when bail was refused. Even a murderer got bail. That woman needs real help. As for the maid, she will go back home a very very rich lady and soon everything will be forgotten. Yeah, don't tell me about the trauma on this simple rural folk as this is only applicable to modern and sophisticated society where this word is used for self pity for mega claim. For others, they will fatten their pockets with mega bucks as there are contracts to be awarded to screen employers whether they are fit or not to employ maid. For the politicians, they will have one more feather in their cap. For some, they get this colourful feather for being a parrot - echoing what their bosses say. And for the rest who have thrown the stones - you better be a good employer to your own maid. You may not scorch her with the hot iron or hot water but make sure that your young kids don't do it on your behalf. As for the big stone I was looking for, forget it, I am going home.

lord
25-05-2004, 01:15 PM
I think the court was wise to decide to lock her up until the case starts. In my opinion, if she was let out on bail, the indonesians down here might take the law into their own hands on her.

Firefly, I truly believe in what you said, innocent until proven guilty. But common sense prevails, my friend. Look a little deeper into the case and you will know whether she is guilty or not.

1. If the maid did steal 10k, why did the husband have to wait until the wife was arrested to lodge a report?

2. Self infliction. If this was the case, the maid would have, most to most, claimed that the employer raped her, no? No human can bring him/herself to burn, scald, cause the nipples to drop off and what have you not on themselves. Unless you are practising yoga and even if it was such, I would have personally informed Guinness Book of Records Prime Time to air her feat!:eek:

I can go on and on, but the very thought of the maids pic on the first day just makes me sick to think that we have such bastards in our midst. Think about the 'hell' the maid is going to go thru for the rest of her life.

My heartfelt sympathies to her and her family back in Indonesia. I just wish that the court will, instead of confining the guilty party within the walls of a prison cell, will allow the same pain and torture to be inflicted on the guilty one. Sloooooooooowwwwwlllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyy.

uchangeng
25-05-2004, 01:48 PM
i usually send my kid to school around 6.15 am. before i go to office.

without fail, every morning, rain or shine(still dark), i could see indon maids in my neighbourhood already busy washing cars, some already into the second car by that time. they must have got up much earlier, may be 5.30 am.? some maids even wash their bosses's cars in pajama. can you imagine that? thin, revealing pajama, you could see their under garments in your head light!

some employers just want to make sure they get their money worth, by working their maids to death!

if you start to wonder i have a maid or not, let me say this, i don't have one.

orchipalar
25-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Hi:) - Allow Orchi to reflect on UChangeng's kind suggestions. Orchi's own car is not washed by the maid. Wifey's car is washed only when necessary n conveniently on Sundays only. Orchi sees no point in having the maid to clean the cars more often than that.

1. The maid normally doesn't wash it as clean as Orchi were to clean it ownself.

2. The outside car washers do better jobs too at reasonable prices, which may include giving the car a good vacuum n polishing job.

3. Better having the maid to concentrate on looking after the household chores n the little Orchis, then spending the effort to cleaning cars(not good at it anyway).

As far as Orchi is concerned, as long as the maid is not rebellious or unkind to the kids, even she makes the effort to try to do the chores at her best, it is a good enough maid to Orchi's family.

On time, Orchi was furious about the maid, when she tried to 'trim' the plants n few pots of bongzai at home, she 'damaged' the plants n the bongzai as well.

Orchi scolded her much, then gotten the scolding instead by wifey, for not appreciating the maid's initiative n the intention to help Orchi with this chore....:(

Most the times, little Orchis often would yell at her....yet she has been taking it mildly without any urge to rebel or to be angry at the kids....:(

What pcYeoh said is right, Orchi should phrase Goodness that Orchi has got this maid n the previous good ones too......

Having said that Orchi has gotta get back home....perhaps Orchi might find the much due courage to apologise to her n phrase her too for her good behavior n efforts..:(

lord
25-05-2004, 02:21 PM
Channel News Asia Update
Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 25 May 2004 1335 hrs

Malaysia to impose regular contacts between maids, agencies to prevent abuse


PUTRAJAYA : The Malaysian government will introduce a mechanism to allow maids to have communication with their employment agencies on a regular basis to prevent them from being abused.

Human Resources Minister Fong Chan Onn said the proposed mechanism would be incorporated as a procedure in the Memorandum of Understanding on foreign maids to be signed by Malaysia and Indonesia for the recruitment of Indonesian maids.

He said the MOU is expected to be signed in three months.

"We have to put in the mechanism for the maids to be allowed at least to have communication with their employment agencies on regular basis," he told reporters after opening a national workshop on capacity-building of the Department of Occupational Health and Safety.

Dr Fong said maid recruitment agencies would be instructed to contact their maids to find out their well-being and how they were coping with their employers.

"Maid recruitment agencies must also fulfil their responsibilities by keeping in touch with their working maids.

Dr Fong was asked to comment on new measures taken by his ministry in the wake of the worst maid abuse case by a housewife who was charged in the Kuala Lumpur Sessions Court last Saturday with four counts of abusing a 19-year-old Indonesian maid.

Yim Pek Ha, 36, pleaded not guilty to pressing a hot iron onto Nirmala Bonat's body, splashing hot water on her thighs and breaking her nose with a metal mug. - CNA

KH EE
25-05-2004, 02:36 PM
the plot thickens...:o

if the hubby lodged a false police report, then it's an offence & maybe jailed for it. even the police couldn't implicate him in the "torture" of the maid. why then put himself in trouble by lodging a false police report? ;)

unless he's as "mad" as his wife? just my 2 sens...

spiderman
25-05-2004, 08:22 PM
I find it hard to believe that it was self-inflicted. Looking at the photos, I can't see any human doing that to him/herself unless they wanted to die... not for RM 10k. If I wanted the RM 10k, I'll just grab it and run ...

Well, then again... who knows... I just find it hard to believe....

achee
25-05-2004, 11:28 PM
A person with a "tendency" of spending 67 years behind bars will have to do something. Was this also done by our ex-IGP?

Who knows, this employer may be lucky enough to get all evidence compiled to file a case, and we will see the maid going to a mental rehabilitation instead.

Wah............. anything can happen meh!!!

:rolleyes:

KH EE
26-05-2004, 09:39 AM
the plot thickens...

pcyeoh
26-05-2004, 01:12 PM
The wounds shown by her is plausible to be self inflicted. It is just the matter of whether that person has a high treshhold of pain or the pain is worth the gain. It all boils down to what is there to gain. So far RM 30,000 or equivalent to 7 years salary is worth the pain to a simple farmer's daughter. God knows how much more to come. Just like the Norita and Canny Ong case, nobody can imagine the kind of cross examination that are done by the defence counsels. So do expect a twist of event when the victim breaks down under heavy attack. Here, we must be careful of what we comment and don't overstep the line of contempt as this case is now in court. The defence is definitely interested who is the unconfirmed source of KH EE's posting and also what he says here as this will help in their argument. May justice prevail.

Dr. J George
26-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Actually I agree with PCY.

If this becomes true under cross examination by defence lawyers -just imagine the implications for our media groups, the politicians and the YB yada yada yada who have all been falling over each other to grab some political limelight thru this episode.

They would look totally stupid and foolish!

The Venucular newspapers - tak payah cakap lah we know where they come from!;)

joker2107
01-06-2004, 12:36 PM
kh ee, u seem 2 hv just bought urself a tix to court. no, not 2 b prosecuted. u d best defence withness. only maybe ur court visit might b extended 2 include a perjury charge.

4 d wisdom of all, pls do not speculate and post rumours and hearsays of on going court cases. lets give d media a chance to exploit their creativity in sensationalising stories.

bravo 2 pc - his last 2 postings here hv proven he's got great brains, wisdom and maturity in addition 2 a sense of humour (even if his jokes don't go down well with some qtrs). so 2 those who hv been not 2 kind 2 him 4 his luffs pls give him a reprieve now...

KH EE
01-06-2004, 12:54 PM
joker2107, since ur nick includes "joker", i take what u wrote as a joke! :o

since when stuffs at a forum can be used in a court of law? the earlier bazz-cassa thingy established that the forum moderators r not responsible 4 postings at the forum but any take on posters on the forum? :D

if i can't "sembang2x" & "borak2x" at this forum, where can i go to?

in the spirit of the forum's dna, "independent, neutral & responsible", i leave it at this. :cool:

joker2107
01-06-2004, 01:01 PM
dis letter was sent 2 a couple of newspaper in respond 2 statements attributed 2 the minister of hr's as reported by the star.

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I refer to the articles, KL, Jakarta to sign MoU on maids (The Star, 20th May 2004, page 12) and Maid agents to be accountable (The Star, 31st May 2004, page 3).

In one statement, it is said that there are about 100,000 Indonesians working in the country. In the new statement, it is acknowledged that 57,000 maids ran away from their employers in the last four years. Can this is analysed to imply that not less than 25% of maids become illegal imigrants?

The problem of run away maids is far from new, obviously not as young as the four years used for the statistics provided. After penalising hapless and frustrated employers for so long, we now have a Cabinet minister coming out to blame Jakarta and the agents for the happening. It seems that the Government is perfectly happy with the present routine of victimised employers making a police report for formality and cancelling the work permit of the run away maid.

It is so very discouraging that an elected representative of the Malaysian people could put the electoral so low as to suggest that run away maids were merely an expensive inconvenience and possible cause of social problems. I am sure every other Malaysian knows that every persona-non-gratia immigrant poses a threat to our national security. It is a mockery of the defences of our boundaries. Monetary loss and inconveniences are painful, but a shaming of our motherland is hardly a pill to swallow or garbage to sweep under the carpet. What then is the purpose and meaning of the hastily implemented National Service programme if not the urgency to inculcate appreciation of the soils we toil on?

I am ashamed through and through to know that there is absolutely nothing done by the authorities concerned with national security when maids run away. We have been letting it go on and on and granting amnesty every now and then to legitimise the wrong. I can only interpret such a practice to be an open invitation to perpetuate the misdemeanour, and figures have proven me very right.

When an Indonesian absconds from her legitimate employer in Malaysia, it is entirely a Malaysian problem. It is up to Malaysia whether to let it pass or to investigate and stop the rot. It is nothing to do with Jakarta. We cannot fault Jakarta if we have been condoning the crime. Malaysia must be seen to be doing something serious to arrest the problem instead of pointing fingers. This is not just a human resource problem It must involve national security people who have to date been defeaningly silent or missing in action.

Discarding the covers, it would not be far from wrong to suggest that there are syndicates involved in the disappearance of maids. It would be preposterous to suggest that the majority of the 57,000 run aways made their own arrangements to renege on their contracts. Especially not when the majority of them are first time visitors and hardly literate.

It is also a disgrace that the Minister should suggest that the holding of travel documents and bonds could check the problem. It is open market knowledge that when maids run away, the only things they take with them are the clothes on their back. And our pride. Travel documents do not mean much to them. Rarely do they depart with assets, not their own, not their employers'. Wages owed to them by their employers are no incentive for them to stay put.

The statements attributed to the Human Resources Minister reek of ignorance, mischief and gross irresponsibility. If the policies implied by the offending statements are indeed the the official position of the administration which the said Minister serves, we can forget about a Malaysia for Malaysians. We can kiss Vision 2020 good riddance. We might as well revisit history and reinitiate Malindo or have a pact akin the European Union.

pcyeoh
01-06-2004, 02:12 PM
Just last year itself, some 17,000 ran away at a rate of 46 a day. From the 4 years record, the situation is getting bad to worst. If there are 100,000 maids now, this means that your chances of your maid eloping is 1 out of 5 since I expect in 2004, the figure will hit the 20,000 mark. If you are one of the victims, you can imagine the havoc it causes your family. Since Datuk Fong is the Minister of Human Resources, he should know how many man hours were lost and not forgetting property or valuables. I know of a case where the family was simply helpless as all their lives, they evolved around the maid. She became so indispensible. I think the whole thing should be re look starting with the maid agencies and no amount of MOU signed will solve the problem. The And with the recent high profile cases, in Hokkien, these maids will not hesitate to "pek lu eh toh kak teng pang sai" (go up your head and **** there).

KH EE
01-06-2004, 03:05 PM
I don't hv a maid & I did forsee certain probs in having a maid, so me & mrs. managed to work out schedules to fit in the family. On saturdays an Indon lady will clean the house for rm40 (abt 3-4 hrs). We do our own dishes & laundry.

We leave our 2 kids at different daycare centres until 6-7pm & if it's a s'gor public holiday, one of us will hv to take leave to care for the kids as both of us r working in KL region. It's good to hv a whole day with the kids - QUALITY time-lah! :p

Naka
01-05-2005, 09:57 PM
It's nearly a year since that incident and everything is so quiet these days.

I am wondering aloud what is the latest news.

Has the wife taken to court yet?

What is the outcome?

Thanks

Alexius Lim
02-05-2005, 07:43 AM
Maids from Indonesia are supposed to be at least 25 years old. This girl is 19 and looks her age. How did she manage to get here?

NOW somebody tell me if this is a sure sign of the Immigration Dept's lack of attention or apathy to rules.... :rolleyes:

Every other day when I am at the KLIA, I see these domestic helpers' come in... and when you look at the faces, one can clearly see that half of them are hardly out of their teens... much less 25 year. Sometimes these teen DH's goes thru cultural shocks and sometimes the employer goes thru it... so who's to blame... one can be a professional this or that, but an inhuman being when handling or dealing with a DH. :o

I have a Domestic Helper (I won't use the word MAID) for the fact that she is a great help in the house - We respect her as a person and an individual and she respects us as her employer. Imagine, my neighbor envy us because our domestic help :confused: ... now how?

It all boils down to MUTUAL RESPECT.

Naka
10-02-2014, 05:12 PM
10 years later, this is the news:-:eek:

KUALA LUMPUR: Former Indonesian maid Nirmala Bonat could not breastfeed her two sons due to injuries to her breasts inflicted by her ex-employer, the High Court heard on Monday.
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I wonder how long this case will drag on:mad:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/02/10/Indonesian-maid--Ex-employer-injured-my-breasts/

tupai
10-02-2014, 05:17 PM
10 years later, this is the news:-:eek:

KUALA LUMPUR: Former Indonesian maid Nirmala Bonat could not breastfeed her two sons due to injuries to her breasts inflicted by her ex-employer, the High Court heard on Monday.
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I wonder how long this case will drag on:mad:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/02/10/Indonesian-maid--Ex-employer-injured-my-breasts/

maybe the plaintiff's lawyer work on a common angmo's 'No Win No Pay' fee....so, can go as long as the lawyers think can possibly win lah...share share mah. time cost only mah.:p

Yang Berloyaburuk TIUxlatotupai:p

besitai2007
10-02-2014, 08:53 PM
Problem is that people pay big bucks to maids agencies who cannot guarantee that the maids are capable of doing the job. The maid is then expected to do wonders as the people who employ her expects to get their money's worth. Most agencies do not train these maids and you have to do it yourself. The result...the maid forgets, under performs...and the frustrated woman of the house takes it on the maid. It's like buying an expensive product and finding that it is not what you expect it to be. My neighbour also scolds her maid everyday and I used to advise her...but that is all my interference. We don't feel their frustration but we have no right to treat another human being like a slave.

Naka
24-02-2014, 05:36 PM
I just found out that:-

'Yim is currently serving her 12-year jail term for causing grevious hurt to Nirmala in 2004. The hearing continues Monday.':heheheh::heheheh::mua-haha:


http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/02/24/Former-maid-Nirmala-Bonat-found-naked-in-guest-room-court-told/

Tham
04-03-2014, 08:12 AM
Any competent psychiatrist, on evaluating her, and anyone with knowledge
of child and adolescent psychology as well, would conclude without doubt
that this was a clear-cut case of self-harm, extremely common among
adolescent girls of the 15 - 24 age group.

They put away an innocent woman for the past ten years, and are adamant
in keeping her away for quite a few more, despite independent expert forensic
and even prosecution witness testimonies validating the above mental disorder.

A consequence of a legal system without any jury and entirely dependent
upon the wills and fancies of judges ill-informed on adolescent psychology.


That was why I had no interest during my younger years in taking up law
as a career in this country, particularly criminology.

Rhiga
04-03-2014, 08:34 AM
... They put away an innocent woman for the past ten years, and are adamant in keeping her away for quite a few more, despite independent expert forensic and even prosecution witness testimonies validating the above mental disorder.


Fully agreed..

There is no motive found, and no evidence to support any so-called "motive" from the prosecutor..

Who is gonna give her back the lost years brutally taken away from her.. :mad:

Naka
04-03-2014, 09:07 AM
I am glad they put that employer away behind bars for 12 years. She deserves it.:heheheh::heheheh::heheheh:

Tham
04-03-2014, 05:48 PM
'' ..... the injuries suffered by Nirmala on her thighs due to hot water was self-inflicted
as the hot water was poured and not splashed when Nirmala was in a seating position. ''



'' ..... the High Court judge failed to evaluate testimony of three prosecution witnesses
who did not rule out that the injuries sustained by Nirmala could be self-inflicted. ''



'' ...... suppression of evidence by the prosecution which did not call Nirmala's cousin
Fermina Anunut to testify and neither did it (the prosecution) offer her as witness to the
defence.


"The prosecution deliberately sent this crucial witness (Fermina) back to Indonesia.
This witness says she was threatened not to give evidence for the defence in the case,"

'' In her witness statement recorded by the investigating officer, Fermina stated that
Nirmala had a history of inflicting injuries on herself during her epileptic fits. ''



'' Akhbardin said a defence medical expert witness and a prosecution witness who
examined Nirmala also confirmed that she suffers from Mild Mental Retardation (MMR)
and it was typical of a person who suffers from MMR to inflict injuries on themselves. ''


http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/yim-should-be-acquitted-as-there-were-doubts-1.14366





'' ..... also pointed out that the defence's expert witness, Australian forensic expert,
Dr John Andrew Munro Gall, was biased. ''

" He not only took on the role of a medical doctor, but also defence counsel and judge,
when he concluded that the injuries were self-inflicted. There were, however,
no other explanation to it. ''


http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Crime/Story/A1Story20081128-104070.html

Rhiga
04-03-2014, 07:03 PM
I am glad they put that employer away behind bars for 12 years. She deserves it.:heheheh::heheheh::heheheh:

Maybe you can help to explain why she deserves it..

Henry T
07-03-2014, 04:29 PM
This Indo maid is not so lucky. They starved her to death.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysian-couple-to-hang-for-starving-indonesian-maid-say-reports

Naka
07-03-2014, 04:54 PM
This Indo maid is not so lucky. They starved her to death.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysian-couple-to-hang-for-starving-indonesian-maid-say-reports

In the Nirmala's case, sending the employer behind bars for 12 years gives me back some faith in Malaysia Legal System.

I am also very happy to read 'death by hanging for the current Malaysian couple.'

Naka
08-03-2014, 06:59 AM
There is a photo here.:heheheh:


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/21877074/malaysians-to-hang-for-starving-indonesian-maid/


p/s...some of you may know him

Naka
01-11-2014, 09:18 AM
After 10 long years, justice is finally done.

Lucky Former maid Nirmala Bonat is still alive!!

This is typical of Boleh Justice system.

Shame!! Shame!!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/01/RM139000-for-maid-who-was-abused-Indonesian-Nirmala-wins-civil-suit-against-former-boss/

bslee
01-11-2014, 02:15 PM
Its like kena lottery, that much of compensation can turn her into a very very rich individual at her place. Work here 10 years oso can't get that much. Happiness and joy after that torment and still in one piece.

Naka
01-11-2014, 02:22 PM
How much the lawyers pocketed??

bslee
01-11-2014, 02:49 PM
How much the lawyers pocketed??

Assume its all worthwhile and by some percentage? They can be picky and selective on cases they take up. People with silly or lost case can be shoved off..not it so many words "don't waste my time".
This isn't some common conveyancing matter.

Walla
02-11-2014, 06:41 PM
The lawyer will pocket the "cost" part of the compensation - normally agreed and approved by court... not all lawyers are crook as you hear in coffeeshops.