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topguru
18-04-2004, 07:26 PM
the moderators have been alerted!

I am certain those of us who gathered together last night do realise what is happening and it is time we address this abuse - this time by someone using the nick - 'bazz'.

the individual seems to have an agenda - my advice to him is - on Monday April 19th - a police report would be made by me and a copy handed over to the webforum moderator for action.

The individual does not have the guts to appear at our kopitiam session on Saturday. But claims been in "Japan" ?

You should have stayed there as we do not need rubbish like you abusing this forum.

If there is a conman here YOU are it bazz!

aimless
18-04-2004, 10:50 PM
would it not be possible to participate in this forum without resorting to police reports? if you do not like anybody's opinion, why don't you argue rationally? if someone is out of line, as was the case recently with the whole EJ-and-her-boyfriend saga, I think we have out own police here - who can ban members. So if you feel strongly about someone, as you do, you should report them to the moderators - which you have also done. Let them decide, but can we please not bother the police with this sort of thing. Lord knows they have their hands full cleaning up crime in Subang Jaya.

What i dont want to see is the authorities clamping down on our "sacred" forum and restrciting it in any way. I say "sacred" cos this is something special which is rare in this country, and i think we should treasure it.

Please don't see this as me coming forward in defence of bazz - it is not. it is merely to voice my concern that a police report is going to be made over something said here.

jericho
19-04-2004, 08:06 AM
topguru,

as you know it is a "childish tantrums", then why bother to make a police report ?

this action will make you no different from his/her action.

as aimless pointed it out correctly, let the moderator decides and leave the police attend to other more important jobs rather than a "childish tanturms"

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 09:52 AM
For the life of me, I can never understand people who make threats. There must be more to life than doing that. Even if the threats are going to be carried out, it reminds me of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar when Brutus said: "not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more". For whatever the reasons may be, bringing in the police and whatnots are going to kill this forum. The very forum which we all live in.

janelim
19-04-2004, 11:24 AM
Topguru,
The very reason u called for the meeting at the stadium was to hit out at engtex..and now you are bringing bazz to the attention of the moderators.
I think the moderators and JO who owns this forum has more brains to this kind of childish issues as addressed by you.
The meeting at the stadium was to foster a "brotherly and sisterly" kind of neighbourhood in subang. You called for the meeting..so what kind of brother are you now, Topguru.
(God only knows your heart)

Your postings sometimes seem a friendly, nice brother, but at times you REALLY sound like a man of great bitterness and anger.

p/s: dont get me wrong if i am on engtex or bazz side, but as aptly worded by CHL, "not that i love Caesar less, but i love Rome more".

Timo
19-04-2004, 12:07 PM
Hey, can anyone tell me (and everyone else who is in the dark) what all this mess with engtex and bazz is about? Why is bazz banned, and why was there a meeting to discuss engtex in the first place?

Also, what's all this about people claiming others have been using pseudonyms and such? Anyone care to explain the entire situation for all to hear instead of using PM's behind everyone's back?

I feel PM's should be banned, whatever that needs to be said in a forum should remain open to public viewing. If people don't have the guts to say something in public and be accountable, don't say anything at all.

I am of course assuming this hasn't been all discussed in open elsewhere, as so far I have not found it.

jayan
19-04-2004, 12:28 PM
Listen up folks .... as it has been mentioned upteen times before and also in our terms of using this forum, the primary rule is to remain with the issue NOT the person. I believe I speak for my other co moderators that we will not excuse anyone who insists on making personal attacks and threats to other fellow forum members.

Please take this as a reminder to return to the original intention of this forum and that is to discuss issues in a mature and polite manner reflecting the personalities behind the masks.

And as for the "meeting" on saturday, it was merely a gathering of neighbours to get to know one another in fellowship.

I think I speak for everyone when I say we all had a good time and hope to do it again sometime soon. I will not delve into any other agenda that others may have had, but for myself, I just wanted to meet some of the colorful folks who make this forum.

Lets keep the peace in our neighbourhood, both real and cyber shall we ?

regards
Jayan

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 01:30 PM
Jayan - Ah. As Jane has mentioned. There seems to be a conflict between the brotherly and sisterly love or as you put it 'it was merely a gathering of neighbours to get to know one another in fellowship' (I have no reason to doubt it) and yet on the other hand, we are threatening each other in the forum with police reports etc and 'the individual does not have the guts to appear at our kopitiam session on Saturday. But claims been in "Japan" ? You should have stayed there as we do not need rubbish like you abusing this forum. If there is a conman here YOU are it bazz!?' Now, now, does the appearance in your kopitiam session has any bearing at all in the forum? I would think that it is a voluntary extension of the forum for those who want to meet up but it does not mean that for many of us, who did not turn up for the gathering, that we have lost our right to speak our minds. I cannot reconcile a friendly gathering of the physical kind with a violent gathering of the cyber kind - especially when both gatherings are patronised by the same people.

I am an old man and far too old for these antics. I used to remember the good old maxim as taught by my father - If I do not like what I am hearing, I walk away.

Now, does that make any sense?

jayan
19-04-2004, 01:52 PM
Well CHL, I'd like to believe that it was a genuine desire to get to know each other that brought everyone who attended on Saturday to the Stadium Curry House. As I mentioned earlier, I will not delve into anyone's personal agenda for the night, but judging from the light banter, mild rib tickling and smiles that I saw around the table, I think that at least amongst that small group, some good nature and emphathy for each other may have crystallized. I don't think one would stay up chit chatting with people who were strangers until 1:00 a.m. in the morning (and risk sneaking home way past the visa expiry) with people whose company one does not enjoy !

As you put it, "when one does not like what one hears, than walk away". Unfortunately, we sometimes forget, especially in the heat of the moment and let the finger click faster than good sense can prevail. It has been our experience in the past that these informal KYB session have helped soothe frayed nerves and cool tempers. More so when one can picture the face behind the nicks in the forum. Also, by meeting up, people get to know one another, this adds a personal dimension to the relationships on the cyber forum. An automatic response would be to think twice before venting one's spleen and all togather helps keep the cyber and the real neighbourhood peaceful.

warm regards
Jayan

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 02:11 PM
Jayan - You have some very sound points about the physical and cyber gathering. However, for me, it does not really matter whether we know each other by sight (because it could still mean that I haven't got an iota of understanding with you) or in the forum. On the contrary, I find that unless a person is a real chameleon, it is very difficult to disguise yourself - whether in real or in the forum - because the true character will always come out, and most of the times, unconsciously in the heat of anger.

:D

lord
19-04-2004, 02:30 PM
It is in my opinion, bringing in police and bomba and the other fellows like JKR and stuff will only frighten away the multitudes of guests who visit us everyday from becoming full-fledge members. The thing is that we can always talk it out or worse case scenario, report it to the 'police inspectors' of our forum, the moderators about it. End of story. You go and make a police report about, let's say that guy 'lord'. As it is, the police can't even solve matters concerning 'real' ppl, whatmore about dudes with nicks in the cyberworldlah!! They will probably not even bother.

But that aside, the 'joint' has been a great place so far. (Damn, I don't even stick to one pub for more than a year, man!! I'm amazed at myself for hanging in here this long!:( ) Let's keep it at that. What is the point if we can't even discuss open-heartedly in here? Even I have 'bambooed' a few guys in here but we still discuss and agree on other matters. Hey, take life with a pinch of saltlah. No problem, one.

If you think the topic has no relevance or you can't contribute effectively, just be a spectator and learn as much as you can. That's the best way to leverage from this 'joint'. I do that and am enjoying it everyday. Wish you the same as well.

Happy hunting, folks.

jayan
19-04-2004, 02:36 PM
Ahhh ... I concur CHL, and it's not always that one has what it takes to understand another person's state of mind when they write, and even more so when it can be done anonymously.

Hence the KYB sessions to put a face behind the nick. Still, I'm glad you understand the need to take responsibility for what you write. It's too bad you could not make it on Saturday, I'd have loved to meet you, perhaps I can convince you to share a cuppa or two with me sometime ? My fellow mods will attest to the fact that I am indeed addicted to the stuff, I think there may be some truth to those rumours about add on ingredients in the TT that makes it sooo appealing.

Warm regards
Jayan

KH EE
19-04-2004, 03:11 PM
Re-read thru' almost all of bazz's threads & the common denominator was CASSA. Since topguru's good friend is JG of CASSA, & putting 1 & 1 together, alakazam! Bazz maybe one of those affected Rhythm Ave buyers & maybe frustrated with CASSA for not "solving" their problems & hence, the "childish" personal messages to topguru, JG's friend.

Jayan/moderators, for the benefit of us newbies, do tell us why bazz was banned; at least we will know NOT to do what bazz did.
:confused:

janelim
19-04-2004, 03:47 PM
Agree with you KH EE.

tan_r
19-04-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by topguru

I am certain those of us who gathered together last night do realise what is happening and it is time we address this abuse - this time by someone using the nick - 'bazz'. [/B]

The reason for the teh tarik gathering was to get together and know each other better and I think it should be clarified that the intent was never to discuss on how to counter any other person or nick and it wasn't. At least, not at my end of the table.

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 07:35 PM
Oh. But there was a possibility that a member who was not there was discussed in great details. Well. It comes from the horse's mouth (and as quoted by you). If it is true, then it is pretty pathetic.

:)

tan_r
20-04-2004, 12:10 AM
Reading through the original posting of this thread again, I can only say that if this statement - I am certain those of us who gathered together last night do realise what is happening and it is time we address this abuse - this time by someone using the nick - 'bazz'. - has given the impression that those who were present at Stadium are all in concurrence, it is only the work of someone's imagination.

I certainly do not.

Instead, I think that calling another person "rubbish", no matter how wrong he was, deserves a reprimand. That is personal.

Remember what Jayan said? Debate through the issue at hand.

orchipalar
20-04-2004, 12:18 AM
Hi Tan_r:) - Good morning. Right you are indeed about what you just said. Nothing from the original poster makes any sense to Orchi. Orchi was a small part in the gathering. Orchi thought for a while, that everyone there could carry that small hope to see more positive participations n strengtening of fellaship from the small beginning. Looks like Orchi could be wrong, in having with even such small hope to begin with.:(

tan_r
20-04-2004, 12:54 AM
I wonder whether it is correct to say that that was an abuse of the fellowship we had hoped to start.

orchipalar
20-04-2004, 01:06 AM
Hi Tan_r:) - As Orchis thinks, a lot more good people from this forum have not read n seen what has been going on of late. IF they do, Orchi would not be a bit surprised with their responses n disbeliefs.:( Your questions remain with them for the time being. Sadly though, we had to come to this.:(

kwchang
20-04-2004, 02:02 AM
As can be seen at the top of this thread, TopGuru made strong remarks about Bazz. It was I who banned Bazz after sending him an email to say that I was doing that. He has not replied me.

I did it very early on Monday morning. I only got back past midnight and saw the flames ! I guess I moved a bit too fast in the morning, having mixed up a much earlier email from TopGuru complaining about someone posting "malicious slanders".

I rechecked my email and found that TopGuru was fingering another nick. Not Bazz.

Hence, I am re-instating Bazz. I hereby apologise to Bazz for the error. I should have checked in greater detail before pulling the plug but I was in a hurry and knowing that I wasn't getting anywhere near a PC to monitor the goings-on for the day, I made the quick and wrong decision to ban Bazz.

My apologies too to the rest of the Forum members for the hasty action. Looks like I have to watch TopGuru and his complaints about character assasination in future. Sheesh.

ps - I am really busy this month. I missed the teh-tarik session too. Hence I do not know who TopGuru is. I wished I had met you folks.

janelim
20-04-2004, 09:25 AM
Finally i believe the fire will go off slowly, but the smouldering takes time to cool down.

Thanks Kwchang for your fairness..The world says nothing is fair, but we got one in Kwchang.

We welcome Bazz back into the forum (wonder how he will know).

:p

orchipalar
20-04-2004, 09:40 AM
Hi Chang:) - Orchi wished to have the opportunity to meet up with you. Orchi still owes you a couple rounds of teh tarik from the last session. Now Orchi feels like buying you a couple more rounds of it.:) Any one else for the matter, who would quickly make the justifiable decisions n actions to make up for his or her 'fumbles' commands Orchi's due admiration n respect. How's zat for polishing an apple sake?:D

Orchi wouldn't be as 'perfect', otherwise Orchi wouldn't have made so many 'fumbles' in life too.

Great to see that Bazz would be back in actions in no time. Orchi hopes to hear more of Bazz's honest, truthful opinions n findings.:)

KH EE
20-04-2004, 10:15 AM
TQ KwChang 4 re-instating bazz.

I believed this all started when members "bamboo" CASSA & JG, to which topguru took exceptions of. First it was engtex, then bazz. IMHO, I think topguru got overboard as these members were, in topguru's opinion, "slandering" JG. As stated in one of the earlier thread, did topguru got JG's permission/authority to defend JG? Knowing JG, he would surely reply to any threads regarding him especially those "slanderous" ones. :D

Hope this is a learning experience for everyone, including the moderators.

JG, how was your court hearing yesterday? Hope it turn out fine.

Just in case ppl gonna flame me, puttin' my flame-retardent suit on...

:D

aimless
21-04-2004, 09:23 AM
Hi EE

I'm sure nobody gonna flame you! Oh well, maybe bazz will.... Hey, where IS bazz? very quiet...

After all, nobody wishes ill upon DJG or CASSA - i think we all want a strong CASSA to protect our rights. But it is as you said - topguru took exception to our comments because he is incredibly protective of CASSA. But as far as i can recall, most of the comments made was topic specific - ie we weren't happy with how they were handling certain things, like the TESCO issue, or the pesticides in vegies issue. I am glad to see that CASSA or DJG himself did not retaliate to our comments, because that would be in poor taste indeed. After all, this forum could well be use as a barometer by CASSA to gauge what their consumers want from them. So it is sad indeed that Mr Topguru always jumps out to defend them, often in ways which many feel are uncalled for. Those who have been following his postings from a couple of years back, in the threads on the Rhythm / Newgate Ave scandal, would know what i mean.

Some may put forward the notion that MR TG is doing this at the behest of DJG.... ahh.... that one, i don't want to speculate lah. God alone knows.....

but if any of you also know, please tell!

:D

KH EE
21-04-2004, 09:27 AM
aimless. well said. KH EE, enuf said... :D

Dr. J George
21-04-2004, 10:21 AM
the objective of the webforum is for purposes of positive interaction vis a vis commuity development efforts and not for idle speculation, blatant and malicious attacks of slander and libel.

I hope we can all concur and leave things at that.

But if one wants to act otherwise, then in all fairness - be responsible for what you post - do it without hiding behind a nick -be ready to defend your claims.

I

jeffooi
21-04-2004, 10:23 AM
A related message has been cross-posted to this thread in the "Abandoned Housing Projects" channel. URL:

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4695

Timo
21-04-2004, 12:07 PM
I agree (partly) with J George, however I would like to add that 'idle speculation' and such are 1) hard to define and 2) most of the time necessary as we do not have access to a transparent system, and hence one of our primary sources of information is 'idle speculation', although at a (large) risk of being wrong.

So, I don't think we can get rid of speculation, but I do agree that if someone were to speculate, please be mature enough to be accountable for what you have said. No hiding behind nicks (although I am still unsure who this statement is referring to).

forknspoon
21-04-2004, 02:13 PM
I've met Chang.

Good, helpful and sincere fella.

:)