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in
12-04-2004, 05:01 PM
I have a question to ask regarding a particular sign near the traffic light in front of Wisma Tractor. (Go straight-Subng Parade, turn right-roundabout, turn left-nike showroon.)

There's a huge NO U-Turn sign here. and understand there's a little sign that says, 'Kecuali dari 7am - 11 pm.

How do you interpret this sign.
1. No U-turn EXCEPT between 7am-11pm when its allowed.
2. No U-turn between 7.00 am-1100pm.

There was once quite some time ago, when I used that U-turn at 6.30pm and I kena saman.

I'm confursed! What does the sign actually mean?

Regards
in

pcyeoh
12-04-2004, 05:14 PM
I believe they meant the second one. It is meaningless to disallow U-Turn at 3 in the morning. Who in the world are you endangering? At 3am in the morning I would even allow an S turn.

in
12-04-2004, 05:29 PM
You're right, logically, it should be the second one.

But doesn't 'kecuali' mean 'except'? That's why it could also mean the first.

Oh well, just in case - I don't use the U-turn anymore, I always turn right towards the roundabout.

regards
in

xweird
12-04-2004, 06:39 PM
Dear all, it means exactly what it says. No u turns allowed, except during 7am-11pm. From what my colleague tells me, it's to deter illegal racing at the "F1" bend near SS19.

pcyeoh
12-04-2004, 11:12 PM
This road sign here is rather strange if it is put up here for that purpose to curb illegal racing. This means by all means race but don't you ever U-turn here after 11pm. Might as well be more clear upfront - 'Kecuali dari 7am - 11 pm. dan untuk orang tak racing"

topguru
12-04-2004, 11:18 PM
well said PCYeoh - I fully agree with you. perhaps, the notion is to confuse we people lah.

Firefly
13-04-2004, 08:32 AM
Another small issue here, The road between Subang Parade and CarrFour, At that T junction, is it a No U turn? If so I turn right, I go smack into a No entry after the entrance/exit to the komuter station.

One more, the traffic lights in front of Carrfour, can I do a U turn there to get into Carrfour? I am coming from the direction of Subang Jaya Medical Centre.

Beethoven
13-04-2004, 09:46 AM
Agreed with you firefly, the No-u-turn sign at the back of Subang Parade & Carrefour has no meaning at all, if you don't u-turn there, you end up in the komuter station. Many people did their u-turn there though, I will give way to them if I come out from the other end of the road ( from FH, turn infront of Mesiniaga to reach here ).
Regarding the traffic light infront of Carrefour, I did u-turn to Carrefour with a police car parking near the taxi stands, the police saw it and nothing happen. : ) So I do not know whether it is legal u-turn or not, but there is no sign of no-u-turn there.

orchipalar
13-04-2004, 01:33 PM
Hi:) - Orchi is not mario andretti, neither is Orchi a driving instructor, nor is Orchi sitting in JPJ's office, also Orchi has not got a 'medal' instead, but Orchi has got plenty of 'samans' from chief of traffic police. One thing for sure, Orchi's been driving with a local 'KOPI-O' license n an International one, since 1976.:D

In one particular of Orchi's 'book' on traffic regulations anywhere in this world including ours, under the prefix of 'U-Turns - Yes or No', on the 'Last Chapter - Page # 1' says:-

In ANY given junctions, when there is NO - 'clear' posted sign indicating 'NO U-TURN' by the authority, Orchi is 'allowed' to make a U TURN, provided 'ALWAYS' that the 'accesses, conditions n circumstances are permissible'.:)

IF the authority wishes to impose certain 'NO U-TURN' regulations for road users to adhere to strictly, then they must put up 'CLEAR' Signs of Warnings, in ALL junctions.

Authority should thus take out 'all Permissible U TURN' Signs, to avoid any confusions or 'loop-holes'.:)

pcyeoh
13-04-2004, 03:37 PM
By default, it is a NO NO NO NO U- Turn at the traffic light. If it is allowable as the authorities deem fit and safe after studying the place, the onus is on them to put up the U-Turn allowed sign (blue background and the alphabet U in white - any other alphabet are fake ones)) at the lights eg at the Giant Hypermarket traffic lights for traffic heading into USJ to make a U-Turn at the lights. This is taking into consideration that all along the way and the next few kilometres, there ain't no way you can make a U-turn safely. Another one is at the Jalan Murni/Jalan Tujuan lights where people can U-turn safely (without me behind lah - me got track record already to hantam from belakang) to proceed to turn into USJ 3 and 4. The U-turn at the Carrefour area is definitely a No No as the turning angle is too small - maybe OK for Kanji car.......er sorry Kancil cars.

jericho
14-04-2004, 08:59 AM
[QUOTE]the onus is on them to put up the U-Turn allowed sign (blue background and the alphabet U in white - any other alphabet are fake ones))[QUOTE]

pcyeoh,

The sign described by you is as a fake ones as welll. :D

It should be an inverted U alphabet. :D

Firefly
14-04-2004, 09:05 AM
Strange that you say " ... NO NO NO NO U- Turn at the traffic light. If it is allowable as the authorities deem fit and safe after studying the place, the onus is on them to put up the U-Turn allowed sign ...." . I vagly remembers the same thing told to me by my driving instructor. If this is so, then how will people coming from the direction of Subang Medical Center, turn into Carrfour? If we turn right at the lights, leads straight into the next junction which is designated "No U turn".

I have seen people getting stopped by policeman doing a U turn there but none at the traffic lights.

pcyeoh
14-04-2004, 10:19 AM
Jericho, you are absolutely right. Isn't it ironical that we call it a U-Turn and yet we spell it upside down. Never thought of that.

isarahim
14-04-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by in
I have a question to ask regarding a particular sign near the traffic light in front of Wisma Tractor. (Go straight-Subng Parade, turn right-roundabout, turn left-nike showroon.)
I'm confursed! What does the sign actually mean?

It might be a toll collection point by the police. Sometimes I have a feeling they put up confusing signages on purpose, just to be able to trap drivers, alternatively change the sign from week to week. The Jalan Ampang (Renaissance to Ming Court) single-lane is a well known example.

isarahim
14-04-2004, 02:35 PM
I have seen people getting stopped by policeman doing a U turn there but none at the traffic lights.

This adds further evidence to my suggestion. The sign is made confusing on purpose for the police to collect more perks.

jericho
14-04-2004, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by isarahim
This adds further evidence to my suggestion. The sign is made confusing on purpose for the police to collect more perks.

I thought road signages is under the jurisdiction of the local council ?

pcyeoh
15-04-2004, 12:32 PM
This is one of the many U Turn allowed signs installed at the traffic lights where it is deemed safe by our Local Council ie MPSJ.
So Jericho, you are right. It is not a U. But I wonder why we call it so.

By the way, one request to TNB. Whoever erect that lamp post should at least have a car driving licence. Why I say so? If he never drives a car before, this is how he will put up the lamp post - completely blocking out the traffic lights. This is what I call "full eclipse of the traffic light."

Firefly
15-04-2004, 12:56 PM
Anyone from the MBSJ in this forum?? Better highlight it to him/her. pcyeoh, nice pic. what camera are u using??:D

orchipalar
15-04-2004, 03:19 PM
Hi Jericho:) - U-Turns are so called, because if the 'earlier' people were looking from the opposite direction to the turn access, they would call it a U-Turn. While you drive over it, at the point before you turn around, you would actually be over at the bottom 'under' the 'U'.....hehehehe:D

IF they had called it from a driver stand point....Wow we would have more confusion calling it the 'n-Turn', as 'end' turn?:confused:

BTW: Saudara Isarahim:) - Orchi-san(like the way Jayan-san calls Orchi) is looking all over for you.):)

isarahim
15-04-2004, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by jericho I thought road signages is under the jurisdiction of the local council ?

Eerr, you're probably right. That could explain why our traffic system is quite inconsistent. Both on local level, e.g. USJ has a slightly different signing policy compared to, say, Shah Alam, and on state level.

But wouldn't it be strange if the police does not have a say in deciding the things they are supposed to enforce?

isarahim
15-04-2004, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by orchipalar
IF they had called it from a driver stand point....Wow we would have more confusion calling it the 'n-Turn', as 'end' turn?:confused:

Naaah. Driving on the way to the cinema, the girl told the boy "U Turn me on", and he took it literally...

isarahim
15-04-2004, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Firefly Strange that you say " ... NO NO NO NO U- Turn at the traffic light.

Why not?

We're the only country in the world where so called "highways" = "leburaya" can have U-turns in the middle and get away with it.

And we can have two lanes merging in the middle of a junction! I think that's a world beater as well.

And we can have speed humps in the middle of an intersection (see other thread).

And why not spice it up with three lane roundabouts, 90 degree immediate turns, outward sloping curves and plenty of other 'exotic' novelties.

So why not?

pcyeoh
16-04-2004, 09:05 AM
If a girl says "U Turn me on", I will take it that she is signalling me to go all the way. There is No Left Turn, No Right Turn, No Jalan Mati or No U-Turn. In fact only the Had Laju 110kph is there. But if she has complaint about the way I am "driving" she can call 1-800-88-9600 and complain to LPKT but not my WIFE.