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isarahim
07-04-2004, 07:39 PM
The problem with our LRT lines are:

1. They are only designed for about 10%-20% of the capacity needed to have a real impact on the Klang Valley traffic situation. This is not about more lines and stations, but rather about the number of wagons per train and the number of seats per wagon.

2. Train sets do not offer proper seating for business commuters. (i.e. for working on notebooks, reading papers etc). In fact, despite being promoted as modern, they offer less comfort than more than 100 year old tramway trains. And it is amazing that in our quest for the knowledge economy and higher productivity, the sets seem to be designed almost on purpose to prohibit any sort of work; at a time when new train sets introduced in comparable cities even offer powerpoints for notebooks.

3. The LRT stations are icons of costumer unfriendliness. When modern standards have three escalators (one up, one down and one for peek flow boost and spare) as well as a lift for handicapped and elderly, our LRT stations have steep stairs, in bests case only one escalator which frequently is out of order. Due to the need to negotiate several steep staircases, they exclude everyone who does not want to spoil his white business shirt or her baju kurung by a sweaty exercise every morning. Only *few* stations have been fitted with, well-hidden, lifts. Having said this, Putra line is slightly, but only slightly, better than Star.

4. The steep stairs exclude major parts of the population from using them, including older and elderly, families with children, handicapped etc. Furthermore the trains themselves do not offer any sort of space for prams/trolleys/wheelchairs etc. The international norm is that a person in a wheelchair should be able to transport from one point to another without need for outside help. What was it I read in the vision 2020 speech about "a caring society"?

In many cities around the world of similar size to KL, modern LRTs and Subways have managed to convince large parts of the affluents, the professionals, the corporate managers, the entrepreneurs etc, about the benefits of public transport. I just cannot see our LRT in its current state manage to convince in just about any sort of manner. I consider it a massive design error which, unfortunately, we might have to bear with for generations.

The actions needed are:

Stations to be rebuilt:
- customer friendly
- cater for handicapped, elderly and families with prams
- three escalators per station, at least one lift per station, and no need for any staircase negotiation except for emergency situations. Having to walk the stairs to reach the escalator, as can been seen in several stations, to be prohibited.
- stations to cater for up to 8 wagons per train.

Trains to be replaced:
- capacity to be increased to 50 seats per wagon and up to 8 wagons = 400 people per train set (figures taken from working LRT in comparably sized city)
- seats to be arranged perpendicular to travelling direction in groups of four. seats should be arranged so as to provide sufficient elbow space for newspaper, book reading as well as notebook/pda work.
- ample dedicated space for prams and wheelchairs
- special seats for elderly

The additional major worry is of course the tracks. Can they be kept or do they also need to be redesigned?

Firefly
08-04-2004, 12:24 PM
For those who have actually used the monorail in KL? Please comment.

As for all the other "connecting" Mass Rapid Transit, Lots of room for improvements. I wonder if any of the Consumer Associations looked at it, and did anyone actually study why people actually refuse to use them?:confused:

pcyeoh
08-04-2004, 03:17 PM
Talk about the monorail...... Yesterday afternoon, I lost my "virginity" when I had my first experience in using the monorail. I took the Putra LRT down to KL Sentral where I was told that I could hop onto the monorail to get down to Jalan Sultan Ismail. After disembarking at Sentral, like a fool, I was looking for the monorail terminal thinking that it is having an orgy with the ERL, KTM and the Putra station. I gave up after having explored the whole complex and sheepishly, I gathered enough courage to ask a guard where the heck could I get onto the monorail. If I were to relate to you verbetim what he told me, it would run into thousands of turn lefts, go straights and turn rights and go downs. To cut a long story shorter, I was asked to drench myself in the pouring rain and possibly risk my life as the Monorail station is 200 metres OUTSIDE Sentral across a very busy road. If not for the pedestrian crossing regulated by a set of traffic lights, you may have to hail a taxi just to take you across the ever flowing traffic along Jalan Brickfield or was it Jalan Tun Sambanthan. What is wrong with this monorail system? Why are they treated like a pariah to be barred from cruising its gleaming coaches into the Sentral Station? It looked as if someone have just torned out that part of the monorail plan that was supposed to bring the monorail into Sentral and making it a foursome transportation hub.

Riding in it is yet another set of experiences. I had hardly settled down after jumping on board when it took its first corner out of the Brickfields terminal and that really shook me as I have least expected it to sway like a fat woman arse. And it was like that all the way - bumpy and swaying. But the scenery in Brickields area is interesting. If your eyes are sharp enough, you may be entertained to bedroom scenes (part of the package) of some of the houses that are so closed by that you may even open the curtain yourself while cruising thru!! Don't the monorail company pay some respect to the privacy of this Little India community?

As it meanders out of Brickfields, the community gets more affluent. Here, I think when you throw a stone from one station, you are bound to hit the next station. They are so close apart. The journey to Sultain Ismail Allianz Station is RM 2.50, a journey that hardly takes 20 minutes with about 8 stations in between. So riding this stretch is like watching your favourite movie with many commercials breaks in between. On the day in question, there was a power failure and walking up the station's steps reminds me of Batu Caves though it was short of + or - 228 steps. I have to inspire myself by chanting "wail wail, dinga dinga dey ah dinga dinga dinga dey. Anga pordah inga pordah, dinga dinga dey before I finally reach the top that I could touch the sky.

For my return journey, I decided to take the cab home and that also is different kind of experience.

xweird
08-04-2004, 03:21 PM
Nice story pcyeoh :D

JoeJaffar
08-04-2004, 04:21 PM
Last I read in the papers, the Monorail connection to KL Sentral is on hold. The KL Sentral developer wants to finalize the plan for the mall that's currently being used by the open air carpark. Once that's done, they'll construct the 'last mile'.

orchipalar
08-04-2004, 05:16 PM
Hi:) - Despite many major n minor setbacks(including one accident during trial run), KL Monorail is considered as an 'alternative' to move around within KL city along its route. This project had endured failures from previous owners n contractors, before it is finally completed. Orchi has 'got alot' invested in this project in the 2nd revival phase(currently). Orchi has not 'got back' everything from the 'investment'.:(

Nonetheless, if you compare what you see now, against what was neglected before. Orchi says KL should be pleased to have it running.:)

Orchi is proud to be 'a part' of its completion. 'Blood n Sweat' monies so to speak.:D

cskok8
08-04-2004, 05:44 PM
I think there were 3 cronies that needed to be given a share of the pie when the public transport system were planned in the 90s, hence the 3 systems (Putra, STAR & Monorail). I cannot think of a logical reason why they are not integrated.

xweird
08-04-2004, 05:50 PM
cskok8: lack of planning...

they have very nice little plans, but no big masterplan

orchipalar
08-04-2004, 05:56 PM
Hi CsKok8:) - Hahaha:D Orchi has a word which might enlighten your concern about why these cronies entities cannot sit down together to 'share the cake or pie'.

They are actually called 'factions'! So how to integrate? What systems?:D

isarahim
08-04-2004, 06:21 PM
Orchi says KL should be pleased to have it running.:)

That is an amazing attitude to the whole thing!

Instead we should be deeply ashamed about it. Whenever I have foreign guests I am even more ashamed about it. The poor design and quick & dirty building quality is blatantly obvious. It is a sore point in any presentation of KL as the wonderful city it has the potential to be, and in fact still is despite its flaws. One tries to play it down, but the questions keep on coming. At least our LRT looks good from a distance!

Thanks also to the posters above for adding an important point which I omitted, the lack of integration between the lines...and the additional reconstruction need of almost all transfer stations.

orchipalar
08-04-2004, 06:54 PM
Hi Isarahim:) - Perhaps you've missed Orchi's point. Have you seen the 'sorry' state of this project before around its current route, unfinished, n just having columns sticking out from its foundation in the middle of the streets all the way to 'Pekeliling Flats'?

Have you got your 'foreign' friends visiting you during that period?:)

isarahim
08-04-2004, 10:03 PM
Perhaps you've missed Orchi's point. Have you seen the 'sorry' state of this project before around its current route, unfinished, n just having columns sticking out from its foundation in the middle of the streets all the way to 'Pekeliling Flats'?

Well, yes and no. Because I think it is in a more 'sorry' state now than before, when the concrete colums were sticking up! At least, at that time, the flaws were not so evident, and you could always say that 'because of the Asian financial crisis bla bla bla it has been delayed'. Now, when things are, sort of, finished, there is no excuse anymore, and all those blunders are glaring people straight in the eye.

orchipalar
08-04-2004, 10:11 PM
Hi Isarahim:) - OK for a while, Orchi thinks your mind was made up. So let's go back to the crisis. What other alternative has the KL city got at the time for public transport? Minibuses? n how were they be ranked by your 'foreign' guests?

isarahim
08-04-2004, 11:25 PM
You mean the old pink ones...eh? Looks like many of them have become yellow schoolbuses now...

Look, the thing about foreign visitors was a side point. We're the ones living here. We're the ones paying taxes. And we are the ones impacted by these massive blunders.

About buses, I do not think that an LRT, even a properly built and operated one, is intended to replace buses. The buses have been replaced by slightly more modern buses. Buses and LRTs are complimentary, or at least should be.

If you still want to talk about buses, to my knowledge there are not any major and/or obvious flaws in our bus lines or bus networks. I cannot say more since I do not know firsthand. My exposure to buses these days is limited to an occasional ride down to Singapore. Sure, many major cities today have these environmentally friendly buses, almost noiseless, and with the bus floor at the same height as the pavement so as to allow for easy access for wheelchairs, prams etc. We don't obviously, but it won't cost us too much to introduce them over time.

And that is the key difference; even if there were major flaws in our bus lines, the amount of money impact and impact on our city is in a completely different order of magnitude compared to an LRT. In the LRT case, we are talking about massive structures that impregnate and permeate our city. A bus line can always be removed or adjusted, with no permanent scars. The LRT cannot without another massive construction effort. And you cannot just close an LRT down. In London there are many tubes which have been abandoned due to changes in demographics etc all the way back to the 1890s when they were first built. That's OK. And there are even cases when they have decided to reemploy old, forgotten tubes. In this sense, the LRT is even worse than a subway. You can't just close an LRT down without people noticing it.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 02:02 AM
Hi Isarahim:) - Orchi begins to appreciate your thoughts n points of views, rather than what Orchi felt earlier were strong 'statements' from you. Now back to KL monorail, it was projected to provide an alternative public transport system, ferrying around 85,000 people per day. Orchi is not aware of the current statistics of its operations right now, as Orchi is not 'involved' in it anymore. But Orchi 'contributed' plenty of 'blood n sweat' monies, time n efforts in its 're-construction' phase of this project, until its completion. Technically speaking, this project was very much challenging in its design, alignment, construcion, erections n logistics. Please find the time to read the following links, you might understand that this project is one of its kind in the world in its technical construction process. Many 'foreign' related rail or mass transit construction industries may actually have great admiration for this project.

http://www.monorail.com.my/klms/intro.htm

Surely, there is no doubt in Orchi's mind that, this project(RM 1.18 billion) has got some major setbacks before n minor 'shortcomings' now. It may even be an 'eyesore' to some people. But to many KL city dwellers n travellers especially along its route, it does serve them pretty well, if Orchi could emphasize it here.

Orchi wishes to also emphasize much of its other related city traffic 'contributions' as well, but then Orchi feels they might too boring to a lot of people here.

Nonetheless, despite also about the fact that what 'pcYeoh have had to endure' in his first experience, or about few others whom may have the same opinions as yours, Orchi still says that KL city should be pleased to have KL monorail as an 'alternative' public transport system.

85,000 or given any slightly lesser than that number of passengers per day would definitely speak louder or have 'clearer' opinions about KL monorail, as compared to 'few' locals or foreigners(Londoners?) alike, who might be ashamed of n despised about its 'poor' designs or 'appearances'.:(

BTW, last time Orchi checks, Britain has had its first recognized Parliament in 1265. Japan for instance knew well in metal workings even well before 16th century. In Malaya peninsular though, there would still be plenty of people living in jungles around the time the civilized 'chinese' or 'europeans' arrived. In Arabs, the 'Qu'ran' was completed in around 650 AD. In the 21st century Malaysia, we have even been 'invited' to 'design' n 'build' similar KL Monorail transport systems, in some of the above nation's 'Modern' cities.:D

lady-o-leisure
09-04-2004, 07:07 AM
Okay.. since i;ve been back here, i tried the Kommuter once. Took my Taiwanese stepdaughter and my bf. Walked more than 15 mins in the blistering heat, since there is no shuttle bus service, and a cab ride would be too short. Waited another 12 mins after we bought tickets. Sat in a terribly old and dirty looking train, and were rather annoyed at the time it took to get to KL Sentral.

Argh.. if i go on about the subway system/service in Taiwan, S'pore and Japan, i might get bombarded so i will just keep my fingers under control and not ride the local trains again unless i am extremely bored with my life.
I dont know what idiots are hired to handle projects such as these, are they blind or just stupid? Subway or MRT train systems are not new in this world. At least Taipei's mayor knows how to fly to S'pore to learn from them and improvise as needed.

Firefly
09-04-2004, 08:35 AM
Lady-o, there is a limit to the komuter. Firstly is is based on the old railway structure, limited tracks and so on. It in fact is using the same railway tracks in many parts except that it's electric now. Please remember that the KTM tracks dates back to the pre independence times. The track does not permit high train traffic. Please note also that some portion of the old track only cater for 2 trains at 1 time. Thus they have to alternate the arrival of each train. So we at single destination stations have to wait double the time. That's why komuter do not qualify as part of the Mass Rapid Transit. This MRT is only for Putra, Star and Monorail.

Back to the monorail, I sadly have to agree with isarahim. I sincerely doubt the praises that was given to it at it's launch. The sightings of comfort and so on.... I think a rollercoster have a less bumpy ride. So Orchi, can anything be done to improve it or is that the best it can offer?

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 08:57 AM
Hi Firefly:) - Orchi regrets that the rides resemble 'ordinary' bus rides' which can be bumpy. Like pcYeoh puts it 'sways like a fat lady's arse'.(still wonder whether this quote might again offend anyone) Look at it this way, the system could have its drawbacks, but the 'new' experience is unique about this kind of design n construction. Despite the earlier freak accident during its trial run, monorail transit is very safe. Down below 'plenty' of unpleasant' things are more prone to happen with other basic transport systems such as taxi(s) n busses.

Orchi was not 'involved' with its design, but this is after all, malaysian own 'pilot' design n built. Many locals n tourists use it, even if some may not like the 'looks' or ride, but they sure appreciate the convenience n unique 'visibility' from within the coaches.:)

Firefly
09-04-2004, 09:06 AM
Hi orchi, if the ride was comparable to ordinary bus, I would not be complaining, It's more like a bullockcart ride. Did the designers forgot shock absorbers and springs exist? Or were they left out due to cost?

Soli orchi, I was just being a bit nasty there. I am sure the designers miscalculated the load weight and the strength of the springs required. Hopefully someone have enough guts to change or improve on it.

Anyone used the sunway monorail before? care to share your experience?

JoeJaffar
09-04-2004, 09:56 AM
I think the bumpy ride on the monorail is due to the concrete guideway. Every bumps on the guideway will be felt everytime the monorail wheels goes over it. Whether there's enough spring or dampers, who knows. But I personally feel that if they'd used steel guideway or properly smoothen the concrete guideway, the ride would've been better.

Mason
09-04-2004, 10:22 AM
Wondering.....

Can we transform the tracks of the monorail for a bumpy roller-coaster ride as an alternative!!......We can be in the Guiness Book of World Records...and Malaysian Boleh buat anything...

Ochi..get a another proposal to smoothen the guideways.:p

pcyeoh
09-04-2004, 11:05 AM
Orchi, my offending statement looks like it was sponsored by the many slimming saloons that suddenly mushroomed overnight due to the vanity of many women including my wife lah.

I should thank all those technical experts who took the trouble to explain why the ride is bumpy. All the time I thought I was riding in that carriage with a missing wheel which it lost many many moons ago. To sidetrack a bit, the disgorged wheel must have gotten into that Bernama reporter's head for him to sue PRT for RM 5 million (case on his demand for the initial RM 250K payment now ongoing).

Inspite of the rough ride, I still give a thumb up for the monorail and a thumb down for the Komuter. To be able to move 85,000 people at that kind of pricing structure is a feat itself. The facinating thing is that we don't hear the commuters screaming until the cow comes home about the fare compared to the motorists honking on the NPE toll rates. PRT knows where to milk the extra revenue to remain above the ground. Every column and every station is a cash cow to them.

Coming to our neighbourhood monorail at Sunway, I think it is a failure because its route is like a dog chasing its own tail. It leads nobody anywhere. They should plan to bring that monorail into SJ/USJ and grab all the customers of Subang Parade, Carrefour and The Summit Mall to Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Lagoon and the Resort Hotel. Eventually the 3C project which is in between Sunway Pyramid and The Big Bird will be another crowd puller for the children. The 3C project is a educational experience under one roof.......er er more like under one sky as I don't think one roof will be sufficeint. It stands for Children ......... urrrrrrgh Centre - the word just got derailed from my mind. When the complex is ready, they should start to modify the pathetic Bird at the Millennium Park and give it a new look like Sesame Big Bird. The children will love it.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 11:18 AM
Hi pcYeoh:) - There is the same monorail project going on in Putrajaya. Total round trip route distance is roughly 22km long, compared with 18.4km long over in KL monorail. There has been one initially planning for Puchong/USJ/SJ/Sunway communites to have similar monorail system. Orchi is not sure though, how well this is progressing, or whether it has been given any approval or not now.:)

Firefly
09-04-2004, 12:47 PM
hey orchi, I initially though that this was the Sunway monorail that's extending it's services to all the named places. :confused: You mean there is going to be a new one plying this area?? I only hope they put the stops in good locations.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 04:23 PM
Hi Firefly:) - Every now n then Orchi calls out your name, makes Orchi feels like being around Kuala Selangor:) Not to worry, if the project goes as earlier planned(alignment), since Orchi still have some 'investment' at stake, Orchi shall pass on few good words to the project owner to 'smoothen' the rides a bit better, n have one special station build 'conveniently' around your house area.:D Also see if they can cater for the next 'convenient' stops at whereabouts are more 'convenient' for you n family. The again, they might tell Orchi to go 'fly' kite instead.:D

Hi pcYeoh:) - Orchi hopes when you said that about 'fat' wife or woman thing, your lovely wife is not by your side, like Orchi's. Otherwize you would have got the same 'treatment' which Orchi just got from Orchi's wife. A 'big' smack on the head.:p

Jokes aside, this monorail things could use some 'improvement' to its original designs, maybe Isarahim:) would be willing to help out the project teams abit? Especially about the 'looks', 'suspensions' n 'ride stability' aspect of the coaches, err....or should Orchi says 'bullocarts'?:D

isarahim
09-04-2004, 06:28 PM
Orchi begins to appreciate your thoughts n points of views, rather than what Orchi felt earlier were strong 'statements' from you.

My statements often are strong, because I think strong statements are required for strong issues. I think this is a strong issue. Rather than playing it down like we are habitually used to do, it should be given the strength it deserves.


Now back to KL monorail, it was projected to provide an alternative public transport system, ferrying around 85,000 people per day.

Take note that my earlier 'strong statements' were mainly on the Star and Putra. Others filled in with Monorail issues. I am aware that lots of my earlier statements do apply to the Monorail as well, e.g. its unfriendliness towards elderly, families, lack of escalators etc, but in terms of its capacity, I would not have any reason to argue against you. The Monorail does not pretend to be a mass-commuter line. If that was the case, 85 k people a day is a drop in the ocean.


Many 'foreign' related rail or mass transit construction industries may actually have great admiration for this project.

Again, a sidepoint. And, again, it looks good from a distance. Just to be able to verify - again - that my statements here are factual, I went this morning from the Concorde station to Time Square and back again. I am sorry to say that it gives a an awful impression and experience once you get into it. The train was jerky in both directions. There were almost no people, but it's Good Friday today, so maybe some people are off. I was casual today, T-shirt and dokkers, so I could take it, but I would not dream of taking this trip in a white shirt and tie. The Time Square station is utterly confusing, no signs, steep stairs, no escalators, not even a wheelchair rail, but concrete, concrete, concrete and concrete.


has got some major setbacks before n minor 'shortcomings' now.

I would not call them anything near 'minor'. But of course it depends on where you're coming from.


It may even be an 'eyesore' to some people.

I actually do not think so. I think it looks quite OK. But you know, we are quite often, and often very deservedly, accused of catering more for the looks of things than the practicalities, fitness for purpose etc. Even Pak Lah has said the same thing several times.


But to many KL city dwellers n travellers especially along its route, it does serve them pretty well, if Orchi could emphasize it here.

Only the young with strong legs. Families with prams and trolleys are banned. Handicapped are banned. Elderly are banned.


Orchi still says that KL city should be pleased to have KL monorail as an 'alternative' public transport system.

I am sorry to have to disagree with you. My conclusion is that it overall is a very costly disgrace.


85,000 or given any slightly lesser than that number of passengers per day would definitely speak louder or have 'clearer' opinions about KL monorail, as compared to 'few' locals or foreigners(Londoners?) alike, who might be ashamed of n despised about its 'poor' designs or 'appearances'.:(

I think you are missing the point. First, my point about foreigners was a sidepoint. Second, I have been addressing its fitness for purpose, not 'appearance'. In fact, I personally think it looks quite well...from the outside. Third, since you mentioned it, how many people were travelling on the pink buses every day at their heyday? I would think they ferried far, far more than 85 k heads a day. Does that constitute an indication that the people back then actually liked the pink buses? Those worn out seats, shabby interior, next to unbreathable air and thick black exhaust fumes? Of course not.

Oh, I remember the standing joke at the time: "only princesses can afford to travel to work with a pink Mercedes Benz every day"... :-) those buses used to be MBs.


In the 21st century Malaysia, we have even been 'invited' to 'design' n 'build' similar KL Monorail transport systems, in some of the above nation's 'Modern' cities.

A similar design of KL Monorail's stations would never be accepted in any of those cities. Not a chance. It wouldn't even survive the initial design review. Three complete escalators + one lift at each end of the station is the minimum norm. So come back and tell me when we have closed the contract!

And finally, sorry if you find my statements too strong. Well I guess I am quite 'un-Malaysian' in that sense. I like to be honest, outspoken, blunt and frank about things. That's my nature. I believe the tendency to play things down is the worst trait we have...come to think of it there used to be some pretty good Instant Cafe jokes about this.... It often prevents us from coming up with good solutions and plan things for the future.

Just don't take it personally. I mean well.

isarahim
09-04-2004, 06:55 PM
Please remember that the KTM tracks dates back to the pre independence times. The track does not permit high train traffic.

This is only partly true. Many speedtrains today are using very old tracks, even as old as pre-first world war. But the tracks are refurbised using modern sleeper technologies, welded rails, non-ballast tracks and new substructures.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 07:20 PM
Hi Isarahim:) - Orchi has to hand this to you, in this instance, seeing that you have taken much trouble upon yourself to highlight Orchi's 'feel good' about KL Monorail, against your 'honest' opinions past n present.:D

You did however mentioned that you were utterly ashamed of this KL Monorail project, worst of it was even aggrevated when your 'foreign' friends would come to visit.(if Orchi cuts n pastes everything you said here, a whole lot of people here could be bored by it also).:) Orchi merely wishes to emphasize that what you see today may not be any good to you since you might be using it 'casually', but there are lots of people utilizing it daily in the city who might not share the same sentiments about its flaws as yours do.

NO. Nothing of that sort was taken, if none was intended of course. :)

Despite all this, Orchi feels Orchi might never be able to recover Orchi's 'investment' from this 'finished' project. Then again in Orchi's biz, Orchi wins some or loose some might not matter as much in the end. Rather it might mean a lot to other people concerned in this matter to have this project finally up n running.

What would you or your friends rather say then, about 'contributions' of the other 'sorry' n 'abandoned' projects though not related with public transport system that you are seeing everyday around KL city centre, PJ and around here? Financial Crisis?

Firefly
10-04-2004, 11:42 AM
Orchi, It would be nice to have a station right in front of my house but then again, with it running so near my house, I may loose a lot of my privicy!!! No more running around the outdoor pool nake by the moonlight or having a nice sunbath in the buff!!!:D I will accept within walking distant.

orchipalar
10-04-2004, 11:51 AM
Hi again Firefly:) - Orchi regrets to tell you that 'they' could have scrapped the idea to bring monorail to this neighbourhood. Sorry to disappoint you. Then again, not so bad afterall, you get to run around nude infront of everybody in our neighbourhood. For the kids around the same area, sorry though, on the fence of Firefly's bungalow, there is a big sign which states 'Rated R, over 18 only'.:D

isarahim
10-04-2004, 12:17 PM
You did however mentioned that you were utterly ashamed of this KL Monorail project, worst of it was even aggrevated when your 'foreign' friends would come to visit.

True, but my key points nevertheless relates to the completely inapproprate design of our LRT system, and that is entirely from a societal and consumer perspective. Image is secondary.


but there are lots of people utilizing it daily in the city who might not share the same sentiments about its flaws as yours do.

You cannot take 'usage' as a proof that people 'like' it and accept its inadequacies. Bottom line is that our LRTs are not made for everyone. Large groups of people are effectively curtailed from using it.

The people that once were crammed into the pink buses like ikan bilis, they 'use' it. Does this mean that they 'might not share the same sentiments'?

People still 'use' Astro, though it's probably the worst satellite TV service around. People still 'use' Telekom Malaysia. People still file reports to the police. People still call the fire brigade when there's a fire. And the list goes on.

Do not fool yourself to believe that just because people keep on using comprise any sort of evidence that those services are anywhere near adequate, less so world class.

But, since you are repeating this line about 85k people having other sentiments just because they 'use' it, please show me anyone who has said something good about it, unless they either are stakeholders in it (like yourself), or in any other way are politically or commercially bound to promulgate the 'official message'.


Rather it might mean a lot to other people concerned in this matter to have this project finally up n running.

Running for a few, that is.


What would you or your friends rather say then, about 'contributions' of the other 'sorry' n 'abandoned' projects though not related with public transport system that you are seeing everyday around KL city centre, PJ and around here? Financial Crisis?

No big deal, really. As noted several times earlier, I am less concerned about 'image', than the societal impact of failed projects. People will not suffer that much if the 'Grand Hyatt' remains a concrete skeleton for another 10 years. Perhaps some people even wish that, for instance, Time Square had remained a concrete skeleton for a few decades...:-)

But the LRT system's overall inadequacy is a major issue with repercussions on road traffic, environment, productivity and an array of other things.

orchipalar
10-04-2004, 05:31 PM
Hi Isarahim:) Hope you would mind Orchi saying this. Could you be so kind to go easy with your sissors n glues, as not to have Orchi working the 'tikus' so much, just to scroll through all the lengths of your postings?

IF you wish to address all your strongest thoughts for the whole freaking world to read from this particular forum, just type it out 'normally' as what others would do. Thank you. n you're most welcome, to offer your thoughts about this topic, as well the general ones:)

orchipalar
10-04-2004, 07:25 PM
Hi Isarahim:) - Orchi wishes to add to the last posting. Now Orchi doesn't understand you well enough. You've been having a habit to contradict your own emphasis n to highlight Orchi's weaker points in all of Orchi's attempts to emphasize to you merely that Orchi said time n time again, that the 'revived' KL monorail is an 'alternative' public transport system for a whole lot of people in the KL city, it being unique, it is not dangerous, it is rather cheaper, as compared to what you get from other conventional public transport system like buses n taxis, although it is 'far' from being perfect as you may have like it to be.

Then again, this is after all a USJ/SJ e-community webforum, Orchi hopes not to overly put other listeners to boredom about our continuance to defend any differences in opinions about KL monorail system in particular.

Please consider this for a change, since you might have got plenty of good n justifiable ideas to offer the concessionaire of KL Monorail(although Orchi is not amongst the stakeholders, Orchi still have a little bit of influence to, with the fact that Orchi was one of the major works contractor's clerk) with your better contributions to the 'finished' monorail system, perhaps if you are available, not occupied so to speak, Orchi is more than willing to arrange for you to meet up with the highest level's management n technical staffs of the concessionaire to sit together for an initial casual interview pertaining to your better n alternative remedial works proposals for their due considerations, instead?:)

Having said so, Orchi is utterly serious about this possibility, n thus has taken the earliest initiative possible, to have pulled some strings for you to meet up with Mr. David Chiew, Chief Executive Officer, of MTrans Holdings Sdn Bhd, the concessionaire of KL Monorail system.

Trust Orchi, it doesn't get any higher than that person, who could bring about 'positive' changes to this project. So, he would be the best person for you to address your 'suggestions' to, instead of this webforum.

Kindly offer Orchi with your earliest PM message to Orchi, where Orchi would be pleased to revert you with the proper prior contact channels to assist you to give your earliest n meaningful initiatives.:)

P/S: According to you, since this is going to be an urgent n major issue to deal with before it is 'too late', Orchi's recommends that you PM Orchi immediately. Thank you, Saudara Isarahim.:)

BTW, before Orchi forgets, would you have a stronger contact person whom you might know well at MPSJ or the Selangor State government, to revert him or her about Orchi's current immediate problem with the 'neglected' n collapsed drain's retaining wall over at Jalan USJ 2/4N? It is on the 'T' junction with Jalan USJ 2/4M. Hoping desperately that you might be kind n able to help Orchi n the other good neighbours in the vicinity.:( Thank you again.