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Peter KL
06-04-2004, 10:11 AM
USJ water is still not clean after so many years.
It is not uncommon to see residents buying different types of big filters standing at the garden to filter incoming tap water.

As these filters are quite expensive, costing more than RM1,000.00 each. For those who have already used these filters, would you please share your experience on the pros and cons on

(i) rocket filter
(ii) fibre glass tower filter.

Alternatively, if you are very satisfied with a particular type, would you please recommend.

Firefly
06-04-2004, 11:07 AM
Most importhat, what's the cost of maintainance?

bazz
06-04-2004, 12:09 PM
we as a consumer has the right to purchase <b>clean water</b>!!

<i>Robertec: Is this consumerism?</i>

cskok8
06-04-2004, 01:24 PM
Uncle Samy said no one has complained about dirty water supply. Does this count as a complaint?
PUAS says they have checked the water at source and it is world standard. Too bad they do not check it at point of usage (our homes).

robertec
06-04-2004, 05:23 PM
Bazz

Consumerism – A movement advocating greater protection of the interests of consumers.

Yes, it surely is, we have a right to clean water, but remember that there are different levels of what is considered “clean” water.

If I am not mistaken in August 2002 the USJRA did a test of the quality of water in USJ, the samples were sent to an accredited laboratory for tests. Guess what? the results were inconclusive.(Please correct me if I am wrong) If the results were acceptable and had indicated that the water was not fit for human consumption, we would not still be talking about it.

Yes, everyone knows that the water quality is not good, but if the bare minimum standard set by WHO is met, what can we as consumers do? Go back to using well or spring water?

Let’s suppose we demand and get water that you can drink right out of the tap, like in Singapore, would you be willing to pay a similar amount for it? There maybe a portion of the people who would (I am one of them), but I am sure a large majority of the population would opt for what they are currently getting.

By the way, has anyone come across people suffering from the ill effects of drinking or using “unclean water” from our taps? Or heard of any diseases associated with drinking or cooking with our present tap water?

If you are not happy about the water quality, one thing you could do is get a good water filter, the other is to use bottled water.

Fireblade
06-04-2004, 08:05 PM
I was thinking of getting the "rocket" type of filter too. Heard Bacfree is quite good with a good after sales service. Do these filters need any regular maintenance? The water pressure in my neighbourhood is low, so... will it be ok to install this filter?

cskok8
06-04-2004, 08:28 PM
These filters do not reduce the water pressure. They need to be back-washed (using the tap water itself) every week or so. It is easy, just turn a few valves and you can also use the waste water to water your plants. There is no other maintenance. However they are quite costly RM 3-4000 depending on the filtering capacity.

Firefly
07-04-2004, 08:20 AM
What about the maintainance? Since it is made up of different layers of stuff, will these get mixed up in the "backwash"? Is it necessary to change the stuff inside? I know the catridge type needs changing every now and then but what about the rocket of fibreglass type? Another question, There is active carbon inside them. Are there lifetime active or do they need recharging?

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 08:46 AM
Robertec - I do not follow your line of reasoning. So if a family cannot afford a water filter or bottled water, it would have to put up with dirty water that it actually pays for? Or perhaps I can read between the lines and you are actually saying that there is nothing we can do about it and if we don't like it, we can move out of USJ or wait until somebody die of contamination before lodging an official report? I disagree with the 'different levels' of clean water and their definitions. I am a layman and I do not want to be bombed by the so-called experts talking about microns etc until my brain seeps from my ears. When I turn on the tap, the water is light brown in colour. Now, I do not give a S with a capital 'S' on whether it is 'acceptably clean' or not. Water from the tape is not supposed to be light brown in colour. Water from the drain in my back garden is supposed to be that colour.

Firefly
07-04-2004, 09:59 AM
With all this hoo ha about the water, we are billed by Indah waters, can we bill PUAS for the water filter?

A bit off tropic, do you pay your Indah Water Bills? Is that not the job of the town counsil to take care of the utillities like garbage disposal, road works, street lights as well as sweage?? Or are they using our hard earned RMs for foreign football coaches and players??

KH EE
07-04-2004, 11:08 AM
there was a lot of pros & cons at www.jeffooi.com's website a week or 2 ago abt whether we shld be paying indah h2o. this happened after the ipoh high court threw out i.h2o's suit agst an ipoh consumer for billing in advance & not showing how the figures were arrived at.

moderator, can u pls include the link to jeff's relevant page? tq.

KH EE
07-04-2004, 11:29 AM
sms - 019-2282 215
tel - 03 - 2283 1111 (hotline) / 03 - 2282 6244 (hq)
- 03 - 7982 8511 (burst pipes) / fax - 03 - 7982 8535
url - www.puas.com.my
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Get this - for inspection of burst pipes by PUAS-registered plumber, it's RM50 to RM200. Additional costs for repairs!
Uh? just looking/inspecting costs so much? A non PUAS-registered plumber will definitely cost less & paid for repairs only, not inspection. I'm assuming that the burst pipe/s are in the consumer's premises not outside... maybe I'm wrong, even repairing pipes outside our premises will be billed to us?
:confused:

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 11:32 AM
Since they bill us for dirty piped water and we are not supposed to complain, nothing else would surprise me. They would probably bill you the repair bills for their truck when it breaks down on the way to inspect your burst pipe.

KH EE
07-04-2004, 11:36 AM
CHL, that was a good one, LOL...:D

KH EE
07-04-2004, 11:37 AM
Or maybe they'll billed us until they are PUAS (satisfied)!:o

saml
07-04-2004, 11:53 AM
I think there may be darker forces at work here. The water filter industry is big business. People are spending large sums of money to get clean water and who benefits most from the supply of dirty water? It is the companies selling water filters. So I suppose it is in their interest to ensure the consumers get dirty water so that their products will sell. I can remember when I was in uk as a student where we were able to drink water straight from the taps and their piping was I am sure much older than ours. Yet we do not have any problems with the quality of the water. Over there I do not boil my drinking water. The point that I am trying to put across is that the reasons that are offered are full of crap i.e our pipes are too old, the water quality is of acceptable standards according to who, what or where. In the past when we were not so first world, we had clear water coming out from our taps. Now that we are first world(that is what we would like to think anyway)we get to buy first world water filters!

robertec
07-04-2004, 12:02 PM
CHL

As a layman myself, I am not and do not profess to be knowledgeable of everything. I have sat through many of these meetings with so called experts in their field and I listen and try to understand when they come forth with their explanation.

A radical I am not, what little I know is based on the accumulation of information and deduction on my part. What I have been told is that the water has been tested and it is ok for consumption, so who am I to debate it.

For those who cannot afford a water filter, let me share with you what people do in order to get cleaner water.

a) Use a piece of cotton cloth, preferably one that is of a finer weave, tie it with a rubber band around the tap outlet and you have an instant water filter.

b) Collect water in a pail, cover it, leave it to stand for a few hours and then scoop gently from the top when required for cooking. Do not use right up to the bottom. If you are feeding a platoon in your home, try to use a bigger bucket.

I strongly discourage anyone from moving out of Subang Jaya/USJ based on the water problem alone, kindly enquire around, who knows you may be moving to an area where the water condition is even worse off. The only difference is that they do not or cannot be bothered to voice their grievances.

Look at it this way, people are complaining about the water quality in the whole of USJ and how we deserve better, and why we should not wait for someone to die of contamination. Some buy filters costing thousands of Ringgit to get clean water for their family, some use bottled water.

But when you go out to any eatery in Subang Jaya and USJ, they are using the same water to make the Teh Tarik, make ice, cook, wash. Do they filter the water?

Sadly, these are the exact same arguments that will be used against us if an official report is lodge. Even if we get by this obstacle, you may come up against yet another even greater wall - “funding”.

Now, CHL be honest, the water at your place is not brown all of the time is it?

(my posting are starting to become longer and longer, please excuse, so sorry)

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 12:24 PM
The crux of the matter is that since we are paying for our piped water, there is no earthly reason why we should go through all the elaborate steps you have recommended to get clean water. And to be honest (may I borrow that phrase from you?), the water coming out from my pipes are not fit for consumption - whether taking it in bodily or for washing. Perhaps you have a higher tolerance when it comes to dirty piped water. I don't. Lady-O, you were complaining to me the other day of the dirty water from your pipes which ruin all your washings. Care to let some of the people here know about it? On second thought, forget about it. I am moving on in life. I do not want to spend my time justifying why there should be clean piped water. After all, we live in a very tolerant society where we have paying customers even fighting for the cause of suppliers who do not live up to what they should be delivering.

:D

robertec
07-04-2004, 01:17 PM
CHL

Thanks for your revelation, I will ponder on what you have said and will try deriving at new insights with regard to this subject matter.

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 01:47 PM
Robertec - Nothing personal. Just a difference of views.

:)

Peter KL
07-04-2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Fireblade
I was thinking of getting the "rocket" type of filter too. Heard Bacfree is quite good with a good after sales service. Do these filters need any regular maintenance? The water pressure in my neighbourhood is low, so... will it be ok to install this filter?

I have been considering rocket type or the fibre glass type.
In my opinion:
(i) Rocket type is made of stainless steel, thus able to stand Malaysia temperature;
(ii) Fibre glass type: I am not sure about its durability under our wide range of temperature, from 20+ to 40 degrees C.
I went to Bacfree in SS19, the quality is good, however, the price is very expensive, about twice the price of normal rocket filter, e.g.compared to Delcol.
Regarding maintenence, weekly you need to backwash and yearly you need to change the media, media costs again depends on supplier. Bacfree media is about twice as expensive as normal supplier. For Delcol, the price is about RM150.00. No matter what type of filter you intend to install, definitely water pressure will be reduced. I hope that those who have experience in using rocket filter be it Bacfree or Delcol, please tell us your experience.

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 03:06 PM
There was a very active thread on water filters in this forum about six months ago. If you would scroll back and locate it, I am sure it provides all the details you would wish to know before purchasing a filtration system.

:)

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 03:13 PM
Here is the thread. Have fun.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3602

Peter KL
07-04-2004, 05:49 PM
Thanks Cool Hand Luke for the info.

It was really informative.

Cool Hand Luke
08-04-2004, 08:30 PM
Okay. Now for the very last time. I have saved enough money to buy a filtration system. I have been recommended to buy a TK Steel Kleen Rocket Filtration System (hell of a lot cheaper than other makes in the market). It uses zeolite melia, almadite garnet, fine silicon sand, silicon sand and coarse sand. Does it fulfill my need of a small family of four? I would really appreciate your views before I commit. Sorry - salesmen of filtration systems need not reply to this post as I am only interested in layman's and end-user's points of view only.

Thank you. :)

chsum
08-04-2004, 08:37 PM
CHL, I just heard that Bacfree will be bringing in a medium range rocket filter price around 2k+ for medium size family in a few month time, care to wait?

Cool Hand Luke
08-04-2004, 08:44 PM
The Rocket I mentioned costs around RM1200. And to pay that, it involved many months of saving. I am not a rich man and it irks me that I have to pay for a filtration system in the year 2004 in a modern, high-tech city in Malaysia. I am also reaching an age where I need to be careful of my health because I cannot afford the charges imposed by SJMC.

Life sucks big time.

ank345
08-04-2004, 08:51 PM
CHL,

Your water is clean after it it was filtered by the filter. BUT...
your clean water will get dirty again when it re-enter into your OLD underground water piping that supplies to the kitchen and the water storage tank ! Because your old under ground water piping water piping is RUSTY, FULL OF MUD SADIMENTS, and etc....:(

Cool Hand Luke
08-04-2004, 09:20 PM
Thanks. I also heard that for it to be really effective, I need to have the water tank cleaned. That would cost more money. I am seriously thinking of moving back to my kampung by next year after my youngest graduates. Both my daughters can stay in USJ and make their careers here. Mrs CHL and I would be better suited for kampung life. Okay. Back to the subject. Any more views please?

tan_r
08-04-2004, 11:03 PM
The water pressure we have in USJ (abt 2-3 bars) should be good enough for water filters of between 6" to 10". For sizes of 12" and above, the pressure has to be above 4 bars for it to be effective.

A price indication for CHL: The last time I checked, a 6" TK rocket filter costs RM850 - including installation and cleaning of water tank.

Other brands/sizes for those who are interested.

Waterco (W300): RM1,800
Waterco (W300 MKII): RM2,180
Delco Rocket (6"): RM980
Aquinox (D40): RM1,600
Hydroguard (6"): RM1,900
Hydroguard (8"): RM2,900

(All prices include installation. Washing of water tanks should not exceed RM100)

destroyer
08-04-2004, 11:16 PM
HI:D

i installed the "D" system of external (energy 500 or something like that)+ internal filter (4 cartridge) ...

conclusions

external filter.
bath, washing machine, etc... runs the external filter
my family is kinda happy with end result
external filter backwash cycle at once every 2 weeks

internal filter.
driking water
i still find slight rust/mud on the first cartridge (ceramic filter)
so should be quite clean after this last filter. water does not contain chlorine smell

the salesman also threw 2 chlorine guard b4 my water filter. he was saying something bout better to take bath without chlorine...
but salesperson always say everything ...but it was packaged, so what the heck...

the system was not that cheap either...about rm 3k++

but i guess im happy that my family can drink without much worries

hope this helps

Cool Hand Luke
09-04-2004, 07:13 AM
Tan and Destroyer - Thank you.

Cool Hand Luke
09-04-2004, 07:37 AM
Tan - Would you know how much does a 10-inch TK Steel Kleen cost? Thanks.

lady-o-leisure
09-04-2004, 07:50 AM
Ah.. the famed disgusting brown stuff that comes out of our taps in this vision 20/20 nation of guiness world record breaking structures and feats, and yet the littlest task of providing clean potable water is almost non-existant in this parts.

I do the proper thing of separating my laundry (coloreds/whites). What is the result of washing whites with water in this part of the world? My kids' white school shirts came out with yellow-brown blotches, brand new pink towels came out with those yellow blotches as well... and my kids were freaking out. How can they go to school with those patches??? I can tell you that i am plenty furious!! Langsung tak PUAS!!! If not for that one-eyed avatar,, i'd be typing a whole load of foul language. Some of those patches i managed to wash away by hand.. and some are permanent.

My solution?? Since i cant afford to set up those fancy schmancy water filters at the main pipe.. i got one cheapo filter from tesco, (no i didnt go at 1am tho) and paid some idiotic man rm70 to fit it to the wall next to my washer and now i hv clean water for my washing. My mom screamed and yelled at me for paying that idiot so much, but i ws desperate, and had no one to fit it in for me. After 3 washes.. the filter is so disgusting, i had to take it apart to wash.

Okay.. now i still hv to wash my rice with yellow water?? Rice comes out dirtier than before washing. Makes sense? I might as well dig a well in the back yard and scoop well water to use. So i got my bf to buy me a Brita water jug so i can use for my cooking.

Why bother washing the toilet? It will get yellow again in no time. My solution??? get large bottles of clorox and pour it down every few days to get rid of the yellow stains coming from the water supply.

You know what? I am still plenty pissed off at the moment. Not a good way to start the day, i think i am getting a headache already.
Um.. one-eyed avatar.. cant u allow me to type foul language just this once??

Cant believe how the quality of basic living necessities is down down the drain around here. M'sia used to be a good place to live in.. people from other countries talked about how modern and nice it was.. not anymore.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 10:18 AM
Hi Lady-O:) - 'Unfortunately', we 'both' share the same Ugly sentiments about the water quality that we get day in n day out. Ironically, we got another quater of people still be asking all of us to be complaisant about the 'poor' water quality supplied by PUAS, n that its is absolutely necessary to resolve the issue with 'spending' more money to get 'filters' instead of treating the issue from its source, to begin with.

This issue alone or its related topics were widely published n discussed in the webforum even ever since usj.com.my's inception. There is a major 'force' to be reckoned with from this community's streighth. What say you all about putting words of our mouth into 'solid' actions for a change.

First we have to address this to the few long contributing n kind hearts of this community, the founding members, to initiate the matter with CASSA or any related consumers' associations, for counter offering more drastic n effective measures to 'face' n 'fight' the cause with PUAS instead?:)

BTW, back to Lady-O, perhaps like Orchi's new interest in learning French, you might find that the French is generally 'excused' from its 'French language''s use of fouled words. Pardonez-moi - what ever comes after this, should be 'allowed' by any administrators or moderators?:D

lady-o-leisure
09-04-2004, 06:55 PM
ah.. so u mean that 'merde' PUAS? hahaaha

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 07:34 PM
Hi Lady-O:) - Hahahaha...that be one of the 'highest' compliments Orchi has heard being address to PUAS!

But but but...what are we going to do about merde water that we got from merde PUAS ?:D

isarahim
09-04-2004, 07:47 PM
By the way, has anyone come across people suffering from the ill effects of drinking or using “unclean water” from our taps? Or heard of any diseases associated with drinking or cooking with our present tap water?

Only, as far as I can recall at the moment, one of my cousins. She started to lose her hair. At one point she was really worried that it was cancer or something. She went to seek some advice. The clinic asked her if she's drinking tap water. She said yes. They told her to shift to bottled water. After that the hair got thicker again.

isarahim
09-04-2004, 07:51 PM
But but but...what are we going to do about merde water that we got from merde PUAS ?:D

Bottle it and sell it as Puarrier.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 07:59 PM
Hi again Isarahim:D - hahaha....now it would look much purer or much more mineralized, if you were to add an 'S' after PUA_rrier?

Hahaha..Orchi is beginning to like Isarahim from that.;) How about your 'researches', have you done any pertaining to PUAS's merde ?:D

Cool Hand Luke
09-04-2004, 08:04 PM
Would anybody know how much does a 10-inch TK Steel Kleen cost? Thanks.

isarahim
10-04-2004, 12:58 PM
Orchi is beginning to like Isarahim from that.;) How about your 'researches', have you done any pertaining to PUAS's merde

No, sorry, I do not have anything really to contribute in this discussion. I think the water quality issue, at least for now, is a relatively minor issue compared to the LRT-traffic issue.

This despite the fact that I have had lots and lots of white shirts destroyed by the water, and I do not think even the laundry shops filter it properly. Some do.

Sometimes you can even tell a person where he comes from based on the 'colour' of his once white shirt...:-). If it is slightly brownish, he is from USJ, if it is slightly yellowish, he is from the Jalan Gasing area etc...

I feel sorry for the poor, however, who might not be able to afford bottled water for drinking, filters and the like.

Personally, I buy 300 litres a month bottled water. We have one of these office dispensers at home.

robertec
12-04-2004, 01:28 PM
Excerpts from a Star Metro Report on 12/04/2004

http://metro.thestar.com.my/news/2004/4/7740120.html

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The meeting was attended by representatives from Damansara Jaya, Damansara Utama, Daman-sara Kim, Section 19, Taman Mayang and Taman Megah.

…………………….. the residents produced samples of murky water they had collected from homes in their respective areas. The bottles were complete with the date and time the water samples were collected.

Saiful took the samples and said PUAS had begun cleaning the pipes with dirty water and consumers could report to PUAS so that the “scouring” operation could be done in their areas as well.

Chew (PJ Utara MP Chew Mei Fun) said the problem might be caused by rusty pipes, and touched on the Water Supply Act 1951, which stated that the state engineer would repair all pipes from the meter to the main pipe at the expense of the consumer.

“PUAS will take the responsibility only if the pipe bursts, but rust and other matters are the owner’s responsibility,” said Chew.

She said she would draft a letter to the state government to have this law repealed as it was unfair to ask consumers to repair pipes outside the boundaries of their homes because this could involve digging up roads.

==============================================

yet another obstacle for us to ponder?

You can blame the MPs, blame the Aduns, blame MPSJ even.

We feel strongly and complain about the water that comes out of our tap. Then, we turn around and ask how much a water filteration system cost.

Stands to reason that most of us just cannot be bothered.

tan_r
13-04-2004, 10:38 AM
CHL,

TK Rocket Filter 8" ~ RM1,100
TK Rocket Filter 10" ~ RM1,400

Prices has increased about 5% the past month, FYI.

squah
13-04-2004, 11:38 AM
I have news for those who think it cost more to have clean water right off the tap. Penang Water Works (PBA) has been supply clean water right of the tap and on top of it, it's rates are the lowest in the whole Malaysia. So it boils down to management, if Penang is able to why not Selangor ?

Steve

tupai
13-04-2004, 07:09 PM
Sjayans r suffering from UMC, MC and PMC sindrom.

complain, complain, complain, bitch, bitch, NATO and asked "how much to install a rocket filter??" dittto posting latime with astro fees...toktoktoktok...

when is d SJ adun or whoever politikus gonna do what ms chew did for the Tmn Mayang folks?

toktoktoktok...

tupai with kleeean water here. so nop complain.

mikegoh
14-04-2004, 07:49 AM
I have used the Waterco Outdoor Filter for more than a year now and I am happy with the water quality.

Advantages of the Waterco filter:

1. No expensive maintenance needed. You just do a manual backwash once or twice a month and it flushes out all the brown substance out. Your water filter will be good as new.

2. It does not filter out chlorine. Chlorine is needed as it will prvent the algae to form in your water tank. Some outdoor filters will remove chlorine. This may be needed for some of the metal filters otherwise the metal casings will rust. Even stainless steel ones.

I have another small indoor kitchen filter that will remove chlorine.

3. It helps to prevent mud residue in my water tank.

Disadvantages

1. Pricing. About RM1,800 - RM1,900 depends on where you buy.
Some places may give you cheaper but they will give you inferior filtering materials. Some may not clean your tank before installing the filter. Others may not follow the specifications of the company especially the piping. Do check with the manufacterer for authorised dealers before you make your investment.
Some companies claim to give 10 years warranty...but they have been around only the last 2-3 years so not sure if they can survive that long to fulfill their promises.

2. A bit bulky and may be unsightly for the garden.


Overall I am quite happy to get clean water instead of waiting for the PUAS to do something. At least my white clothes are not longer turning yellow or brown.

Regards

:)

orchipalar
14-04-2004, 08:37 AM
Hi Kawan Baru MikeGoh:) - Orchi envies people who could afford to install all kinds of high quality filters, change the water pipings to the whole house, n so on to get 'good quality' water supply for consumption n washing. Orchi is also envious of people who lives in houses where the water supply pressure alone can create a fountain that shoots up 20 metres to the sky, close to the ones Orchi sees in the outdoor garden terrace at Petronas Twin towers.

Orchi was barely able to pay for a rental for a house let alone get the owners to install these filters, almost always missed to pay the water bills, n got 'drops' of water during 'peak' hours which is kind of like junior Orchi is peeing, everytime the whole neighbourhood is back home washing somethings. :(

Orchi have had to resort to 'storing' water in large pales during wee morning hours after midnight, just to get enough supply from the tap, for laundry, drinking, n having to manually pour water into the cisterns just to fill them up for use of toilets.

Most days the water condition is so bad, Orchi wont be able to do much cooking at home. So Orchi resorted to eating out. Then again what kind of water is Orchi getting from outside food stalls n restaurants? *Sigh*

So what is Orchi gonna do? So how now?:confused:

Then there is a slightest problem with one of the consumers associations around this neighbourhood, everybody is going to 'discuss' about it in a 'kopitiam'? Can somebody bring along a portable water filter? Is there such a thing? Orchi has got no money to pay for 'bottled' water. Welcome to this neighbourhood:D

Firefly
14-04-2004, 12:20 PM
Hi ya orchi, portable water filter.... well like they say, depends on the $$ you are willing to pay. If you really want a good system, even sewage water is treatable/ made safe to drink. I have contacts for a millitary water treatment system if you really want one. It is said that this system can be transported to any war zone and provide drinkable water for the troops. Water continamated by virus or bio weaponds can be made safe for drinking. :D But for you and me, a old cotton cloth covering the tap is the best so far. :(

KH EE
14-04-2004, 12:26 PM
Firefly, what's the cost of one of these "military h2o treatment system"? Costs a bomb? (pun intended):o

Cool Hand Luke
14-04-2004, 04:50 PM
Tan - Thanks. I will get the 8-inch next week. Although TK Rocket may not have the many so claimed benefits of the more expensive filtration system, it should suffice for poor man Luke.

Firefly
16-04-2004, 11:42 AM
KH, it really depends on the quantity/ volume. A small unit for sailors in emergency lifeboats can be only a couple of hundred bucks. Huge truck types to feed a whole army can run into the Millions per unit. So like you said, cost a BOMB.:D

KH EE
16-04-2004, 12:01 PM
Firefly, jokes aside, where on the net can I view such a device? Am thinking of getting 1 for my family of 4. U know of a local distributor? TQ ;)

Firefly
16-04-2004, 12:22 PM
KH you sure or not. I did a check on these units They are following similar to our RO units sold by NESS and Diamond. The Unit is a swiss unit will post the price and web link for you later.

For Marine
http://www.katadyn.ch/site/ch_en/home/?L=en

For really tough military use.
http://www.tecwar.com/TECWARpg3.html

KH EE
16-04-2004, 02:46 PM
TQ Firefly. But the thing I hate the most is washing the filters. I remembered washing filters after filters of the RO system during every weekend at my late mom's place. And, at regular intervals, have to call the RO ppl to come to change 2nd or 3rd or 4th filter - it's definitely not cheap maintaining the RO system.

I am looking for something different - the backwash thingy of some of the point of entry h2o filter does help. Ahh, gotta trawl the Net for something different. Firefly, your links helped. TQ again. :)

Firefly
16-04-2004, 03:37 PM
Wanna really forget about washing filters, then use delivered water.

Have to remember the insides still have to be changed annually Have to ask CHLuke how much it is in his new "rocket". :D

KH EE
16-04-2004, 04:07 PM
I am buying RO water from the standalone RO system (aiya, forgotten the name!) at 20sen per litre for drinking and cooking purposes.

Now do they clean the filters regularly? So far, seen it cleaned once but then I only buy once a week. However, what I saw at Giant USJ really put me off - Giant's staff would refill their 500ml bottle (at 10sen) by pushing it against the opening valve - aiyah, don't know if they ever clean their bottle b4 filling it up... Ever since that, am using the other machine where there's a barrier protecting the opening valve - am waiting to see if insects are living there too... Oh well, trawling the Net. :o

bazz
17-04-2004, 06:33 PM
i see alot of threads and posts that trying to neutralise CASSA's situation now...

i dunno why... is there some money or power or influence involved?

Cool Hand Luke
17-04-2004, 09:28 PM
Firefly - I installed a 8-inch TK Rocket (including all piping costs) for RM1100 this afternoon. Will let you know how good it really is after a week's use.

orchipalar
18-04-2004, 11:22 AM
Hi master Luke:) - Yes, please do tell us about the performance of your newly installed filters. After spending as much as that, Orchi is curious n anxious to know, how this is going to turn out for you.:)

Firefly
19-04-2004, 09:01 AM
CHL, did they clean out your tank?? the reserve tank in the celing lah. On yes, one question here, does these filters remove chlorine??

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 09:49 AM
Yes. They cleaned out the tank for RM50. And no, I do not think the filtration system removes chlorine. So far so good in that we are getting very clean water. The filtration man would be back tomorrow to do the backwash. Then I would want to see how dirty the water actually is.

Firefly
19-04-2004, 10:50 AM
Collect some of the backwash and pass it over to PUAS. :D

Another thing, How long can the filter/media last? How much is the replacement?

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 02:31 PM
The man told me 5 years. But I have my doubts!

orchipalar
19-04-2004, 02:40 PM
Hi Master Luke:) - So besides the fact that your filter doesn't get rid of Chlorine, are you satisfied with its performance so far? Have you noticed any drop in the water supply pressure from your taps(the ones that is fed directly from the main + filter)? Anymore funny smell as compared to previously?:)

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 03:10 PM
Ah. So many questions. No. The water pressure remains the same. I am not a technical man (no offence to all the technical men in this world) and I do not have an eye for details. I am just a lazy old man who enjoys life as it is. Without the building in of technicalities. I do not factor in degrees of enjoyment or dislike, I do not factor in dollars and cents. Perhaps I am a foolish old man. But nothing makes me happier than to stand under the cold spray of water from my outdoor shower in a hot afternoon. Nothing make me happier than drinking a cup of coffee in my patio, listening to the birds and insects while doing absolutely nothing. And nothing makes me happier than sitting in my armchair reading a good novel while the room is in darkness except for the pool of yellow light from my reading lamp. Experience the simple pleasures of life. Do not worry about little details. Such details give you stress and clog up your mind and prevent you from mingling with the world of sensuality.

:)

Firefly
19-04-2004, 03:16 PM
So in other words, you are happy with your RM1150 investment :)

Oh yes, has Lady-o or NikeBeautiful join you in the shower yet? Now that the water is no longer brown?? BTW, forknspoon is also another pretty lady. you should have come over on Saturday....

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 03:25 PM
Gee. You are making me out to be a cross between Casanova and Count Dracula. I assure you that I am not.

:D

Firefly
19-04-2004, 03:28 PM
That I assure you never cross my mind. :D

jericho
19-04-2004, 04:04 PM
CHL,

Since you are the first person to install the rocket after these discussions, everyone will be eager to get feedback from the horse's mouth !!!! In other words, you are our guinea pig :D

Oh.....maybe you can strike a deal with the rocket filter salesman/woman to increase his/her sales! ;)

orchipalar
19-04-2004, 04:56 PM
Hi Jericho:) - Very well said indeed. Orchi was anxious to learn from 'See Fu' CHL that night about this 'rocket' filter as well, but apparently he had other personal matter to attend to. Guess Orchi gotta wait to get 'lucky' for one of these days, be able to just catch a glimpse of the 'See Fu', instead of being an ape, climbing every single tree in USJ 2 trying to see if Orchi could find an outdoor shower somewhere near to Orchi's home. :D

'Lord' knows, Orchi even had to turnup early n left late just to make sure that Orchi didn't miss the chance to meet the mysterious CHL of whom Orchi 'idolized' so much about, having also expressed Orchi's admirations to him, by polishing dozens of apples before this in the other thread.:p

Hi Master Luke:) - You might wanna call out for forkspoon soon, to explain your whereabouts that night, n why you were included as amongst the 'no show-er'. Orchi thinks forkspoon could be disappointed for your 'no show-er' instead of you bragging about your outdoor 'shower' instead. Man forkspoon was actually looking forward to finding you at a corner stall somewhere that night just to be able to give you a 'huggy'.

Jokes aside, Orchi wanna come over to your home to witness the rocket filter fittings, just to see if the same could fit over at Orchi's home. Now now, you wouldn't look like someone who could forgo any minor details especially about having to spend months considering n to find the best type of filters to fix for your home use.

So please do tell Orchi, how this thing turns out to be for you n family. So is Orchi going to take it that you would be washing all your cardi(s), especially the Aston Martin, with this 'rocket' cleaned water from your tap, or are you going to do that traditionally with rain water, which you have stored up for such purposes, n for the outdoor shower, what would it be now, rain water or rocket cleaned water?:confused:

BTW, gotta go, Orchi hears a distance 'thundering' messages coming from the sky. It is time for Orchi to be prepared for the naked dip in the collapsed drain. Where is pcYeoh? Can someone who has his number, please call him for Orchi? Don't forget to remind him to bring the camera.:D

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 07:28 PM
Thank you for your kind words. It is not fair to list me as a 'no show' when I did not even indicate in the first place that I would be going! What 'huggy'? Girls scream and call me 'ham sap' when I wish them an innocent 'Good Morning' let along getting hugs from beautiful women.

:)

orchipalar
19-04-2004, 07:48 PM
Hi Master Luke:) - Orchi was just kidding See Fu:) - but but Orchi was really looking forward to you showing up that night. Go ask Achee:), kept lauging at Orchi, everytime there was a car passing by, Orchi would turn the head around to see whether you were coming. Talk about 'head turners' shouldn't really be a green Tiara, would it?

Ask pcYeoh too, who even did an impression of the same 'colombo' as if you were in your avatar that night, holding your 'deep' thoughts with your right hand..hahahaha.:D

Actually most of us(some weren't listening:)) even came to a conclusion that despite all your 'deep' thinkings in this webforum, you ought to be a very highly educated, yet being a 'hamsap' old maaann as well. Oh man, how Orchi wished you were there to witness it all.:)

Seriously, Orchi is really getting sick n tired of this water problem with PUAS, please share more of your 'deep' thoughts about this rocket filter thing n other thingy(s) as well.:)

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 08:04 PM
Thank you. So far the Rocket is performing well. We do get clean water (but don't ask me about microns etc as I am not into that). I used a filter before - the small plastic one with a RM2.50 cartridge and found that there was slime and muck stuck to the cartridge every two days. My simple brain deducted that this would be the slime and muck I would be drinking if not for the simple device. And since health is important, I decided to invest in a Rocket. Simple. For me, as long as the device does the job, that is it. I do not go for the expensive stuffs which can even claim to give you energy to make you cleverer. Same as my Proton Tiara. A basic car which does the job of fetching me from Point A to Point B. Of course, there are always the Mercedes S Class - which also fetches me from Point A to Point B.

orchipalar
19-04-2004, 08:28 PM
Hi Master Luke:) - Now thank you for thinking about Orchi's having still the bluddy nonsense from PUAS. So now, Orchi is assuming that your water is cleaner than Orchi's(no filters whatsoever, not even the cheap cheap ones). Can Orchi come over to take a sip off your tap?:)

Orchi would understand If you were to refuse on basis that you don't wish of anyone coming over to disturb or impose of you relaxing calmly doing nothing in your home thingy. Would you be kind to PM Orchi with the contact no. of the 'prrretty sales' gal from that 'Rocket' company whom had installed it to your home? Only if you say so, Orchi wouldn't mind searching for extra 'pesos' stashed somewhere previously, to get this rocket thing installed at Orchi's home too.:)

Or perhaps, Orchi should wait a while longer, hoping that you might get bored or sicked of this filter sometimes later, then you could be considering to switch to a 'more expensive' makes, n get rid of this rocket one, cheaper for Orchi. Any chance of that happening?:)

Come to think of it, me wifey been nagging Orchi for quite a while since the last time we had this sort of dicussions before, n always ended up me wifey telling Orchi is being a stubborn, stingy, n rupiah wise ringgit foolist old fella.:D

isarahim
19-04-2004, 08:43 PM
Another thing, How long can the filter/media last?

I think that would be inversely proportional to the dirtiness of the water.

Clean water: 5 years perhaps
USJ water: 1 year (?)
Puchong water: 6 months
Macadam: 1 second

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 09:17 PM
Orchi - What pretty sales girl? The person who sold me and installed my filtration system is 45, fat, short and ugly with hairy arms and legs. I kid you not.

satish
19-04-2004, 09:50 PM
CHL....

flyer recvd frm mailbox today..

Rocket filter ..RM799..
available at KK Aircond ..Giant USJ..!

Not sure if includes installation...?

Cool Hand Luke
19-04-2004, 10:25 PM
Mine is a 8-inch TK Rocket filtration system. But since I have already paid for it, there is no point to harp about the price any more. I always believe in live and let live. Procastination is not going to get us anywhere.

:)

satish
19-04-2004, 10:38 PM
U R rite...

hopefully the prices are on the way down..

I have yet 2 install one..

cheers

orchipalar
19-04-2004, 11:28 PM
Hi Satish:) - Hahaha, thanks for the pointer to Giant having this counter selling that rocket filter. Come to think of this, Orchi shoudn't wait anylonger to hop into the place n look for the prrrettiest sales gal there if any, to do a demo for Orchi, how the 'system' works. Just reminded Orchi about what pcYeoh said the other day about 'Turn me on' thing. Maybe could get the sales gal to demo about how that thing is 'turn on' by the way.:D

Mind you, if Orchi is going to invest rm1150 or something like that, err....(was it about what Satish said rm799+ installation, n for which size?) Orchi ought to be able to tell Orchi's wifey about how Ochi is so 'convinced' after the sales gal demo, that the 'rocket' thingy can be 'turn on' so easily. Very user friendly stuff so to speak?:D

First Orchi has got to master the trick of combining ESP n hypnotism to convince the sales gal to bill the costs of installations to PUAS instead.

Hi Master Luke:) - Did you have to spoil the fun for Orchi's having some imaginative figures about the sales gal who sold you the rocket? n how come you have figured out n be able to describe how Orchi actually looks like(45 old, ugly, short, n hairy)? Did pcYeoh:) actually went ahead instead to post the pics of the gathering that night?:D

Firefly
20-04-2004, 09:31 AM
Orchi... do you think i's possible to build our own filter? Would be a lot cheaper considering we can actually source all the stuff needed.:D

Firefly was thinking ... this "Back wash" required for "cleaning"... How is this done?? This is what Firefly understands...

Under normal use, "PUAS" Water comes in tru the inlet, goes tru the filter and out, clean.

To clean, the same "PUAS" water is allowed into the filter in the reverse order to wash out all the dirt. Thus the unfiltered water is actually in the outlet side!!! So if someone forgets to close a tap, then this untreated water will get into the system.. It's like using dirt to clean dirt... :confused: Now firefly trully blurr!!!!

orchipalar
20-04-2004, 02:35 PM
Hi Firefly:) - That's not a bad observation after all. Actually come to think of this back wash thingy, sounded like pretty obvious from you, that you wouldn't have clean water backwashing the unclean side away. Never thought of that before. Maybe this can also be added amongst Orchi's various queries with the prrreetty sales gal who is selling this rocket filter thing, other than asking about how the rocket is 'turn on'.:D

Also, it could work out having to build Orchi's own water cleaning system at home. Problem is where can Orchi put up the cleaning chamber tanks, where the water be let flow down on 'gravitational' force through the 'cleaning' filter materials, such as charcoals, n sand, or whatsoever is necessary inside. In additon to that the chamber tank must be high up enough to allow for the gravitational water to force through the pipes without having the need to install an electrical pump for it? Then no need to worry about not having water supply during blackouts.:)

isarahim
20-04-2004, 04:04 PM
Procastination is not going to get us anywhere.

That line must be taken from the Indian house of commons.

jericho
20-04-2004, 04:31 PM
Procrastination

Cool Hand Luke
20-04-2004, 04:41 PM
I did not know that your job is to go around checking other people's spelling. You gonna (or should I write in proper English and say 'you are going to'?) miss a lot in life and the meaning of life if your preoccupation is to check on people's spelling and grammar.

:)

jericho
20-04-2004, 07:05 PM
aiyah.....you think i'm so free to do just that ? ;)

i missed yours but somehow i spotted it in isarahim's post. just correct it in the event someone try to search this word in a dictionary the whole night. :D

Cool Hand Luke
20-04-2004, 08:10 PM
I reserve my comments.

amy_melanie
20-04-2004, 08:47 PM
HI all. I'm new here. I find the discussion on water filters very interesting albeit a little disconcerting ;) We've reached a point were we are so well versed/ familiar with a full range of different types of water filters and their added functions that it's scary.

I think that when a person pays for clean water, that's exactly what they should get. Unfortunately, we have been ranting and raving for years and instead of cleaner water, the water just gets dirtier. If I wanted piped teh-o, I would have asked for it. And just because someone hasn't died (choy) from drinking the water yet, it does not make the water any safer.

orchipalar
21-04-2004, 01:56 AM
Hi Amy_melanie:) - Aloha, welcome to this community website. Err..sadly can't say the same about the quality of water here. Some people even think that getting enough water pressure here is already 'a blessing in disguise' comparing to some other areas, hence, according to some of them, there is no point in rantings.:)

Choy Choy..had not seen anyone choked or 'kick the bucket' so to speak, as the result of the poor water quality here. People in Puchong say its worst there, due to new development, pipes are constantly being 'upgraded', so got plenty of filts to begin with.

Most people who could afford some kinds of water filtration system would be thinking, its the least they could do for the time being. Others like Orchi who wouldn't even be able to afford to pay for the tap water bill soon, would fall in the first category of people above.:D

There is however, a consumer association n some other kind parties who is still 'doing' their bits against PUAS. We are still waiting to see if there is ever going to be any positive notes in the near future, still hopeful. Last time the fight was with JBA Selangor, now the table is turn since PUAS came along, so the 'tai chi' art remain.:(

Lately Orchi also heard that PUAS was given 100 days grace period to buckle up or face legal suits by certain consumers body. Orchi is however wondering whether the grace period could have been 'utilized effectively' instead by the respondent.:confused:

Talk about the art of 'Tai Chi', Orchi could otherwise be able to 'master' it for much less period, if only Orchi hadn't been missing out on the previous training sessions held by Orchi's ancestral 'See Fu(s)'.:D :D :D

KH EE
21-04-2004, 10:09 AM
Read yesterday's TheSun that Tan Seng Giaw, the Kepong MP (I think), paid a SURPRISE visit to the PUAS HQ with a group of reporters. PUAS' Chairman was really surprise & hopefully what the MP conveyed to the Chairman will result in cleaner water for ALL! The Rakyat MUST be PUAS with PUAS' service... :D

orchipalar
21-04-2004, 10:22 AM
Hi:) - Orchi hopes more people there would be caught with their pants down, if more of the similar groups of people were to pay any surprise visit at the water treatment facilities in the Klang Valley alone.:)

satish
21-04-2004, 10:45 AM
Firefly,

The filter assembly is nothing but a vessel that contains some
filter medium (such as various sizes of sand/gravel).

The water that comes from PUAS mains supply goes tru this filter medium, and then to the house water tank and kitchen taps.

The backwash system contains a valve that reverses the incoming water flow, thereby pushing all the dirt/grime that was caught at the head of the filter, tru another port in the valve, out into the drain.

Thats why I feel that the present prices of this "rocket" filter shud not cost more tha RM500, inclusive of pipe fittings and installation.

I am in the process of getting a friend to arrange some filters made locally, that will cost less tham RM500..

This unit will be one third the size of the "rocket" but more afforadble. Only major difference is that one will have to backwash approx once a week, instead of once a month (with the present state of incoming water quality).

Will advise this forum when Filter assembly production finalised and available.

CHeers!

orchipalar
21-04-2004, 11:34 AM
Hi Satish:) - Against Orchi's earlier crazy idea about erecting a bigger filter tank higher up at home, yours sound more better indeed. Please post more of your findings soon.:)

BTW, the rocket filter sales person is exactly like how CHL's descriptions, short, ugly, fat, n hairy. Thinking now rm799 is also too expensive. Orchi shall wait for your findings.

Hasn't pass the news to Orchi's wifey yet, thinking sure this time also kena 'bamboo' by her, for Orchi's delayed actions to get the filter thingy going.:D

KH EE
21-04-2004, 12:08 PM
Are the rocket filters, etc fully imported or what? What's the import duties/excise duties like? & with the opening up of WTO countries in 2005 (including Msia), wouldn't these filters be cheaper? :confused:

orchipalar
22-04-2004, 08:06 PM
Hi Master Luke:) - How is the water doing today? Besides the 'unforgettable' experience, err...really? Please tell Orchi that you didn't get 'stood up' by NikeBeautiful at the gym?:D

So, really how is the water filter doing lately? Orchi has ran out of patience from wifey's contant 'bamboo-ing' Orchi. Satish:) is slow to respond about the cheaper DIY homemade filter.:rolleyes:

If you are satisfiied with the rocket filter, say so, n Orchi shall have the same one fitted in Orchi's home asap.:) Come to think of it, having to spend rm1150, certain 'outweighs' the beatings that Orchi has gotten so far from wifey.:D

BTW, err...for those of you who is championing the good cause to protect the victims of domestic violence. Can Orchi be considered as a qualified candidate for the programme? As a victim of course:D

satish
22-04-2004, 09:15 PM
Orchi,
Just talked to my friend the supplier.
He promised to get back to me soon.
But if Wifey is getting on your butt..suggest u go ahead nn get the rocket type. Mine might take some months to materialise.
:D

Cool Hand Luke
22-04-2004, 10:20 PM
Orchi - Water is fine. And no, NikeBeautiful did not stood me up.

orchipalar
22-04-2004, 10:25 PM
Hi Master err...See Fu Luke:) - Yes Yes Orchi heard that. Good. But where can Orchi call to have the rocket fixed? Thanks.:)

Cool Hand Luke
23-04-2004, 07:57 AM
Somebody has posted that it cost RM700 odd in the Giant Hypermarket. I would recommend you go for that. Mine - probably for the same thing - is RM1150.

Firefly
23-04-2004, 09:02 AM
I wonder if what they put inside them rockets make a difference in the price? The huge difference between what CHL installed and the one sold in Giant.

tan_r
23-04-2004, 09:41 AM
I suggest you check on the size and type of media used before you confirm your purchase. And does the price include installation and cleaning of the water tank?

Have to admit that at RM700, it is still very cheap for a 6" filter. CHL paid for an 8" TK unit, I believe (?).

tan_r
23-04-2004, 10:11 AM
Just an idea on the pricing for a typical rocket filter (6") - satish, you are very close:

Manufacturer's price: RM450
Installation: RM100
Clean water tank: RM50
Cost to distributor: RM600

orchipalar
23-04-2004, 06:36 PM
Hi everyone:) - Haha..how is the water today?

Tan_r - TQ for the pointers. Orchi would have to trust CHL on this one. Haha..if things would go wrong with the rocket, Orchi won't be branded as the only sucker around or something like that. Orchi still think that this possibility is extremely remote though.:D

Satish - Orchi doesn't want to sound like not being supportive of your idea at all, just that, the 'bamboo-ing' from wifey is gettin to be 'deadly' unbearable.:D

In any case, Orchi remembers one of ma's sayings - 'cheap things no good', n 'good things no cheap' :)

Cool Hand Luke
23-04-2004, 07:38 PM
Aiyah, Orchi - I installed a 8-inch TK Steel Kleen Rocket and inclusive of all pipings, it cost me RM1150. So far, it has done its job. You are asking an ignorant layman and I am giving you the answer. After the installation, I move on with my life. Surely life is more than worrying about the steel structure in my garden.

:)

pywong
23-04-2004, 09:09 PM
Water from treatment plant to water main outside your house:
Responsibility of PUAS. You have no control over the water quality except scream at PUAS ... and BN.

Water from main to water meter, water meter to water tank and internal plumbing: Your responsibility. Nothing to do with PUAS.

Issues:
1. What is the type of pipe from the main to water meter? Is it galvanized iron (gi) or stainless steel (ss) pipe? If galvanized, you can expect brown water after a few years because of internal corrosion of the pipe. The water pressure can drop by as much as 2 bars (1 bar = 10 metres of water head. That is, the water pressure is enough to push the water to a height of 10 metres - 3 storeys).

Solution: I changed mine from gi to ss three months ago. Have to use a licensed plumber. Cost RM1800 plus RM160 for a new meter. Pressure shot up from 1 bar to 3.5 bar. Very happy with that.

2. What is the type of pipe from the meter to water tank? If gi, you will again experience loss of pressure and brown water. Note that there is a direct line to your kitchen tap.

Solution: I abandoned the whole pipework and installed a 32mm HDPE pipe along the garden edge, leaving it exposed for ease of maintenance. Cost RM1500. If plumber were to do it, maybe cost RM2500 at least.

After the garden tap, I installed a Waterco Mark II myself. Cost RM1950. (Allow RM150 for installation.) Pressure drop 0.5 bar. I run the HDPE pipe along the roof, exposing it to the sun, before it reaches the water tank. Water is now warm, so save having a water heater. I intend to connect a series of copper piping later on the roof to create a simple solar heater.

To increase water pressure, I raised the water tank in my attic by 1.6 metres. Could do it because my house has a high pitch roof. Good enough to pressurise my shower mixer, so saved RM2000 on buying a booster pump at the water tank.

3. Do you want drinking water from the tap or you prefer to boil your water?

Solution: I installed an Amway WTS filter which has a uv bulb to kill the bacteria. Cost RM2650. This really saved me a lot of trouble from having to boil water.

Summary:
In considering what solution to use for your water filtration and supply, don't look at first cost. Evaluate on owning and operating cost. The cheapest buy is not necessarily the cheapest solution. Could work out to be more expensive in the long run.
Costing:
1. Water supply from PUAS: RM0.57 per cu. metre. Typical household is about RM0.75 per day
2. Waterco Filter: RM0.80 per day
3. Amway WTS filter: RM1.80 per day
4. Total cost: RM3.35 per day.

Conclusion: If PUAS does not supply clean water to us, we have to spend another 350% on filters.

Solution: Political :D but if you cannot wait or you prefer to stick to the status quo, install the filters.

HydroGuard
04-01-2005, 12:13 AM
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pcyeoh
04-01-2005, 12:45 AM
My PC has scanned and detected a new virus called 'HydroGuard.' As the name denotes, this virus suddenly mutated itself on 3 January 2005 and so far has affected three postings. But there is nothing to panic as this virus seems to go after postings that has to do with water filters. My anti virus program listed the following thread that were attacked by the 'HydroGuard' virus. They are a) water filter? b) outdoor water filters and c) Water filters - where to buy. But strangely enough, it has chosen not to infiltrate other postings that has something to do water such as PUAS, SPLASH and SYABAS. When I study the report produced by my anti virus scanning software, it says that because of the inefficiency and the poor delivery of services by PUAS, SPLASH and SYABAS, the virus 'HydroGuard' will continue to thrive and prosper. My software suggested using the antidote called 'kwchang' to get rid of this virus. For the time being, please hang on.

cfswu
08-04-2007, 05:16 PM
I have done some findings, both UE-tec and EcoLogic. Both are quite similar product using Zeolite media, Pentair designed strcutural, certificed by NSF Anyone can provide on some feedback will be appreciated.

Thank you.

jwyc28
08-04-2007, 06:45 PM
Hi,

I'm currently using the WaterBross's Filter First with backwash. It uses fine sand internally and also life time warranty. So far I'm happy with the water input to my home although I haven;t install any of the tap filter.

The cost i think was RM 1388 when i pay..Suggest to use the fibre casing rather than the stainless steel as won't hold the water pressure in a long run.

I understand that rocker filter requires maintenance and will require to change the internal filter due to the backwash. The filters/rock material will not subdue to it's original layers of filter in the long run.

USJ27Resident
09-04-2007, 01:03 AM
Water from treatment plant to water main outside your house:
Responsibility of PUAS. You have no control over the water quality except scream at PUAS ... and BN.

Water from main to water meter, water meter to water tank and internal plumbing: Your responsibility. Nothing to do with PUAS.

Issues:
1. What is the type of pipe from the main to water meter? Is it galvanized iron (gi) or stainless steel (ss) pipe? If galvanized, you can expect brown water after a few years because of internal corrosion of the pipe. The water pressure can drop by as much as 2 bars (1 bar = 10 metres of water head. That is, the water pressure is enough to push the water to a height of 10 metres - 3 storeys).

Solution: I changed mine from gi to ss three months ago. Have to use a licensed plumber. Cost RM1800 plus RM160 for a new meter. Pressure shot up from 1 bar to 3.5 bar. Very happy with that.

2. What is the type of pipe from the meter to water tank? If gi, you will again experience loss of pressure and brown water. Note that there is a direct line to your kitchen tap.

Solution: I abandoned the whole pipework and installed a 32mm HDPE pipe along the garden edge, leaving it exposed for ease of maintenance. Cost RM1500. If plumber were to do it, maybe cost RM2500 at least.

After the garden tap, I installed a Waterco Mark II myself. Cost RM1950. (Allow RM150 for installation.) Pressure drop 0.5 bar. I run the HDPE pipe along the roof, exposing it to the sun, before it reaches the water tank. Water is now warm, so save having a water heater. I intend to connect a series of copper piping later on the roof to create a simple solar heater.

To increase water pressure, I raised the water tank in my attic by 1.6 metres. Could do it because my house has a high pitch roof. Good enough to pressurise my shower mixer, so saved RM2000 on buying a booster pump at the water tank.

3. Do you want drinking water from the tap or you prefer to boil your water?

Solution: I installed an Amway WTS filter which has a uv bulb to kill the bacteria. Cost RM2650. This really saved me a lot of trouble from having to boil water.

Summary:
In considering what solution to use for your water filtration and supply, don't look at first cost. Evaluate on owning and operating cost. The cheapest buy is not necessarily the cheapest solution. Could work out to be more expensive in the long run.
Costing:
1. Water supply from PUAS: RM0.57 per cu. metre. Typical household is about RM0.75 per day
2. Waterco Filter: RM0.80 per day
3. Amway WTS filter: RM1.80 per day
4. Total cost: RM3.35 per day.

Conclusion: If PUAS does not supply clean water to us, we have to spend another 350% on filters.

Solution: Political :D but if you cannot wait or you prefer to stick to the status quo, install the filters.


One of the best posting on the matter... even comes with a conclusion ! :p My vote ain't going to 'u-know-what' party in the next election... It goes to any other logo on the ballot!! :rolleyes: