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pcyeoh
27-02-2004, 06:38 PM
Brave yourself for a influx of additional traffic into Subang Jaya when part of the New Pantai Expressway (NPE) opens on Monday 1st March. My fear is that people who avoid the heavily congested Federal Highway will creep into USJ from Jalan Puchong-Hicom and take a short cut using Jalan Usaha at
(USJ 16 & USJ 17) to re enter the NPE to head on to Bangsar. They also avoid paying the Batu Tiga Toll. Brilliant.........but not to all those residents living in this vicinity. I can't magine come end of April when NPE will be fully used.


READ THIS extracted from The Star today

KUALA LUMPUR: The southbound lane of the New Pantai Expressway (NPE) from Subang Jaya to Jalan Bangsar will be opened to motorists from 6pm on Monday.

However, the northbound lanes would only be opened at the end of April.

It will take motorists about 13 minutes to travel the 19.6km-long road.

The highway’s link from Pantai Dalam to the KL-Seremban Highway would also open on Monday and the northbound lanes at the end of April.

New Pantai Expressway Sdn Bhd general manager Neoh Soon Hiong said the expressway would be toll-free for a month.

The RM1bil expressway, which starts at the Jalan Tujuan/Jalan Subang Utama intersection and traverses Subang Jaya, Bandar Sunway, Kampung Medan and Jalan Klang Lama, has electronic message boards, closed-circuit television cameras (CCTVs), electronic toll collection, lay-bys and bus shelters.

It has eight interchanges at Jalan Kewajipan, Jalan PJS 8/1, Taman Maju Jaya, Jalan Templer, Pantai Dalam, Seri Pantai, Pantai Baru and Taman Desa.

New Pantai Expressway Sdn Bhd senior manager Simon Thiang said personnel at a traffic control and surveillance room, located in an administration building near the Pantai Dalam toll plaza, would ensure an efficient traffic management system on the expressway.

ng
29-02-2004, 07:24 PM
Most people are going to avoid the NPE if they are going to charge high rates for the tolls, so I do not see it alleviating the traffic jams. The kesas highway is already underutilized because of the high toll rate and the traffic jam at the seremban highway.

So let us hope that the same thing does not happen to the NPE.

clfoo
29-02-2004, 08:10 PM
If there is prize for guessing it right, and if NPE start commisioning as it is now and nothing is changed to accomodate the flow of traffic, I will bet my money on the upcoming reality that the road in front of 3K will transform into biggest car park in Subang Jaya with spill over effect to other trunk-road in Sumbat Jaya as well. Sign of prosperity or act of god ??? Hope the consciense of the authority is clear .

Since this is election year, I think I will give more weigth on candidate who is far sighted enough to propose bringing LRT into USJ .. :rolleyes:

kwchang
02-03-2004, 08:58 AM
Went to KL via the NPE this morning.

From Taipan to Kesas interchange (near Summit) - a distance of roughly 3 KM took me 15+ minutes at 7am. Bumper-to-bumper mainly on Persiaran Murni, next to USJ2.

After the Kesas interchange I turned into SS18 to avoid the jam infront of the 3K sports complex. Exited at the Jenka roundabout.

From then on it was super free-flow. Took only 10 minutes to travel 15 KM on the NPE to exit at Jln Pantai/Jln Bangsar.

As a note, whole distance travelled was about 20 KM, travelling time of roughly 35 minutes from Taipan to Jln Duta.

The day before, i left at the same time, took the Puchong exit, went on the Elite highway, NKVE and exited at Damansara toll. the whole distance was in excess of 30 KM and took me 30 minutes with a toll of RM2.50.

Conclusion -
travelling time about the same, saved at least 10 KM on the NPE. Now we wait for the cost of paying toll twice on the NPE. Disadvantage for USJ residents - the jam infront of the Summit.

pcyeoh
02-03-2004, 06:21 PM
This morning at 7.30, I noticed that more traffic was coming in from Jalan Pengaturcara (the road that takes you from the Glenmarie traffic light to across the Federal Highway into Subang Jaya). I believe most of them are heading towards the NPE at the Metropolitan roundabout and thereon to KL. I tested this same route at 5pm this afternoon but I exited at Pantai Dalam. It took me 13 minutes. I timed myself starting from Subang Parade and the distance travelled altogether is 15 km. From here you can head for Jalan Bansar and onwards to Sentral.

The drive on NPE is a little bumpy (could also due to either my car suspension no good or my over sensitive butt or both). Most of the stretch is merely two lane so there goes your dream of doing a schumacher here. And this 20km highway winds a little too much - reminds me of the sway of a lady's buttock when she walks on high heels. I found that the exits to Jalan Templer, Kg Kerinchi and Pantai Dalam is like the neck of the Coca Cola bottle - rather narrow to allow quick exit. And there are too few toll gates. I think less than 10. Today, I can hardly see more than 20 cars on the road. But when the traffic picks up, I can expect jams to be created at the toll and all the exits.

I did not try the stretch that leads all the way to the Seremban Highway. I doubt the whole highway can be completed by end of next month as there are still a lot work to be done on the other side.

in
03-03-2004, 08:36 AM
Since yesterday going to work from USJ3 to HICOM Glenmarie is a breeze. Its even breezier today!!

I use to leave home at 7.30am. On a good day it takes me 40 minutes. On a bad day about 1 hour. God forbid if you leave the house at 7.35! Now, it takes me less than 15 minutes (including a few red traffic light stops.)

The NPE is indeed wonderful.

pcyeoh
03-03-2004, 04:36 PM
After having done a dry run yesterday, I was looking forward to use the NPE to my place of work in Section 13, PJ. It was a breeze from USJ 12 to the Subang Jaya Police Station roundabout when I was hit by a bomb shell. No no.... Al Queda was not at work. It was a stupid policeman redirecting all those who intend to turn into the NPE to proceed to Subang Parade I don't know for what. Definitely not for shopping at 8am!!! I was stucked there for a good 20 minutes before I decided to bypass it and used the old and faithful ex KFC exit. (Hey, I suggest we gazette this ex KFC exit as a heritage site.) And surprisingly, the traffic was all clear till the Motorola Bridge. Why would the police do such a silly thing? There is no alternative way but to do a U-turn at the Subang Parade traffic light to double back to get onto the NPE. Alternatively, we have to proceed to Subang Jaya Medical Centre and queue up at Metropolitan roundabout to get onto NPE there and I can't imagine the jam there. As it is, there is no need for such re directing as in the morning, there are hardly traffic coming from Subang Parade. But I must agree that with the opening of NPE, the Federal Highway is less congested heading down KL in the morning and heading to Shah Alam in the evening. At the same time, I was at a friend's house at Jalan USJ 12/1 at 6.30pm and the traffic along Jalan Usaha heading towards Jalan Tujuan was a continuous flow. Doomsday has arrived at Jalan Usaha.

PJS
03-03-2004, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by in
Since yesterday going to work from USJ3 to HICOM Glenmarie is a breeze. Its even breezier today!!

I use to leave home at 7.30am. On a good day it takes me 40 minutes. On a bad day about 1 hour. God forbid if you leave the house at 7.35! Now, it takes me less than 15 minutes (including a few red traffic light stops.)

The NPE is indeed wonderful.

Wah, looks like you are one of the very few benficiaries of NPE. No need to change route, no need to pay toll, same distance, less time! :cool:

chsum
03-03-2004, 06:34 PM
Yup, todays traffic was wonderful USJ to SS19 was like during weekends, it made me check my calendar twice to make sure, but upon reaching Police station roundabout, I woke up from my dream drive, a total grid lock, luckly some police man redirect the cars to Subang Parade or else we will just park the car there and walk to work.
I think NPE will have to do something about it or else they won't get any customer if the roundabout jam up.

JoeJaffar
04-03-2004, 08:50 AM
Tried the NPE for two consecutive morning to get to my office in PJ. Clocked about 20 minutes from SS 19 to get there, average driving speed on the NPE is 90kmh. Most of the time lost is the detour to the 'Daytona'-KFC curve to escape Jengka roundabout, Subang Parade traffic light and Templer-Gasing roundabout.

If this traffic condition will go on even after toll collection has started, hooray for Subang Jaya. More options to go to KL, less hassle.

xaviers
04-03-2004, 10:03 AM
great to have an alternative. I decided to try it out yesterday (3/3).

Here are some comments I have on the NPE.

- It looks like a pretty dangerous highway stretch, there are lots of sharp corners and the lanes are narrow, it's meant of 2 and 1/2 lanes but they made it 3. Although the speed limit is not 110 km/h I bet some cars are going more than that. I predict that there are going to lots of accidents (touch wood)
- Entrance are also not well planned - another bottle neck here
- the exit at angkasapuri looks confusing - besides there is a bus stop close to where the road splits
- Jalan bangsar is going to be pump with lots more traffic.

Chermaine
04-03-2004, 11:49 AM
Going to move to SJ, thinking we are so lucky to have the new pantai highway after hearing all the traffic nightmare!
Now the feedback doesn't sound so positive...

Yourdadisangry
04-03-2004, 12:07 PM
traffic at 'Bali' area is very smooth now since the NPE opened. My wife send me to Komuter with a smiling face nowadays..hahahaaa

Yourdadisangry
04-03-2004, 12:08 PM
Haven't got the chance to try the NPE yet. Will try it this Saturday...;)

Beethoven
04-03-2004, 02:57 PM
The NPE is still free of toll as of now, right ?
May be I am too pessimistic , but I would say, wait till the NPE toll is incurred, if the journey by then still so smooth, then only be happy lah....
Please don't blame me, I heard too much 'cry wolf' stories...

PJS
04-03-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Yourdadisangry
traffic at 'Bali' area is very smooth now since the NPE opened. My wife send me to Komuter with a smiling face nowadays..hahahaaa

Is the Mentari/Bali/LDP stretch clear nowadays? I live in PJS and dread going thru LDP to go to Damansara Utama in the morning, always used the U-turn in b4 Pyramid to go thru SJ-Fed Hwy-NKVE, and face another jam at Damansara toll. If it is now clear might try going out to LDP (when not sending kid to kindy in SS18,
wife and I take turns to send the kid).

I'm now worried about taking the NPE u-turn before Pyramid as the cars coming from SJ come down the bridge are speeding really fast.

Looks like we're trapped in PJS with all the traffic coming to the area. Been considering moving to SJ a long time, now not sure if it'll be a good move also, hehehe.

Yourdadisangry
04-03-2004, 04:28 PM
PJS, try use the Bali exit for a month and another month after the toll collection became effective and see the difference of the traffic. Only then you can make a wise decision. As for me, I stick to the Komuter.....

patrick
04-03-2004, 11:51 PM
My biggest concern is the Jenka roundabout when the NPE is fully open in both direction. Just imagine the amount of traffic flowing into this rounabout which can already be quite congested. Pending the construction of a proper interchange here, MPSJ MUST consider removing the roundabout and constructing a traffic light interchange. Otherwise sure die when the NPE is fully opened.

Pray I am wrong.

pcyeoh
05-03-2004, 12:01 AM
Day 4 - I was brave enough to venture further and thus exit at Jalan Kuchai Lama. I was totally disorientated and not knowing where to I was heading, instead of ending in Jalan Sg Besi heading towards TUDM airport, I found myself after taking a wrong turn end up travelling down Jalan Kuchai Lama and meeting OKR!! (Old Klang Road - another heritate road) This means that those uSJarians who work at the Kuchai Lama Entrepreneurial Park stand to gain the most of it.

The road may be as wide as any other highway but because most of it is on the elevated road with the side wall, one is sure to have of feeling of narrowedness. Compare to the NS Highway, the NPE stretch looks narrower with the side walls. The more I used this stretch, I start to appreciate more. This is totally a built up road compared to Sprint or LDP where the existing road were merely widened and called it a highway. Overall, the NPE delivers value. I have crawled some 90 minutes gettting down town compared to today when it took me merely 19 minutes to travel the same distance. Let us see when Datuk Seri Semi Value will start to be a hero when he would say "...saya akan membangkit perkara ini dalam kabinet....." Wonder whether he does???

PJS
05-03-2004, 01:56 AM
Wait till u find out how much toll they will charge, 3 tolls in total to KL, right? Of course the toll rate wont be announced until well after election! ;) Then we'll all get a shock of our lives! :mad:

Penchala link is already Rm2 to justify for the construction of the tunnel, seems like no major objection from the public coz it is an optional way for most. LDP toll attracted a lot of protest becoz it was build along existing roads which services thousands of residences & businesses.

NPE is build above ground and after taking so long to complete, someone's gonna pay for the costs of delays and inflation, the tolls wont be cheap.

kwchang
05-03-2004, 08:33 AM
I only see 2 toll booths from SJ to KL.

Let's compare toll rates -

PLUS
PLUS highway started at a toll rate of about 7 sen per Km. Now it has grown to about 12 sen per Km.

Sprint
The Kerinchi link is RM1.50 for 11.5 Km (Federal Highway to Mont Kiara) making it 13 sen per Km. When Pencala link is tolled, it will be the most expensive as RM2.00 for 5.5 Km works out to 36 sen per Km.

Kesas
Roughly 3 toll gates at RM1.50 each for the whole 34.5 Km works out to 13 sen per Km.

Assuming the NPE goes by a rate of 10 sen per Km, the 15 Km stretch should cost RM1.50, paid over 2 toll gates. If it is to be 20 sen per Km, it works out to RM3.00 from SJ to KL. Do you think it will get more expensive than this?

JoeJaffar
05-03-2004, 08:39 AM
If the NPE is tolled at 13 sen per km, I'd still use is to get to KL. That makes it about RM1 per toll.

thelaw48
05-03-2004, 02:10 PM
I only wish that the toll charges is announced before the election. Otherwise mmmmmm

kcchia
08-03-2004, 04:51 PM
I am a newbee here so please bear with me.

On the subject of toll rate for NPE, take a look at the circular to shareholders issued by Road Builder (M) Holdings Bhd (RBH) dated 9 July 2001 in relation to the proposed acquisition of 100% equity interest in New Pantai Expressway Sdn Bhd (NPESB). The circular contains a summary of the key terms of the concession agreement signed between the Government of Malaysia and NPESB. According to the agreement, there will be 4 toll plazas - at Jalan PJS 5; Kampong Medan; Kampong Pantai Dalam; and Taman Desa. The toll rate for Class 1 vehicles, i.e., passenger cars is fixed at RM1.60 per toll plaza. Therefore, a trip from SJ to KL (exiting at Jalan Pantai) will cost RM3.20.

The agreement allows the Government to impose a toll that is higher or LOWER than the agreed toll. However, in the event that a LOWER toll is gazetted by the Government, then the Government shall compensate NPESB for the reduction in toll collections based on a fixed formula. Take a look at the formula and you will notice that it favours the toll collector!

cskok8
08-03-2004, 10:51 PM
This is the usual way the govt set the actual toll collected. When the highway is first opened there will be a toll-free period. Then a toll figure is floated as a rumour. If lots of people protest then it is lowered. If things are quiet then the figure stays. Of course only later we find out that the toll has already been set by the agreement and we (the govt) have to compensate the company. Announcing the toll rate after the election is a bonus. Perhaps we should all ask the candidates how much the toll is going to be.

patrick
09-03-2004, 11:51 PM
Anyone knows where the Kuchai Lama exit comes out to?

I have already used the NPE a few times and everytime it takes me just about 10 minutes to reach Bangsar from Sunway. Great!! I am smiling from ear to ear!!
;-)

vsat
10-03-2004, 06:29 AM
I haven't used the NPE yet. Maybe one of these weekends.
Anyway, how about going back to Sunway using the NPE?

How do I get to the NPE and head home to Sunway if I'm travelling by car from KL Sentral. From what I've seen, they've blocked the road with barricades

Thanks for the answers.Appreciate it.

kwchang
10-03-2004, 08:07 AM
Patrick,
The Kuchai Lama exit of the NPE will bring you on a flyover that crosses the Old Klang Road, over the ramshackle shops on the same road with the Old Klang Road wet market. You can't get on the Old Klang road from there but proceed towards Kuchai Lama. The real Kuchai Lama exit will present you with a choice - left to proceed to the Seremban Highway and the right lane to Jalan Kuchai Lama which brings you to the traffic lights with the Kuchai Lama Entreprenenual Park (traffic lights next to the Inn of 6th Happiness restuarant)

VSAT,
Currently, the NPE is only operational from SJ to KL. The return leg is not ready and still under construction at various parts.

LimSB
10-03-2004, 12:10 PM
So far, I've only been on the NPE once and I went out at Bangsar on that journey. It was a real breeze driving on this Highway!

Can anybody pls let me know where is the best exit if I want to go to OUG from Subang? How does one get into Taman Desa then? Thanks ...

bazz
06-04-2004, 11:41 AM
consumer association please take note!

pcyeoh
06-04-2004, 12:06 PM
Too late. This business is taken already. Last week, MTUC made a strong representation to the govt. requesting a rate that is affordable and not burnt a hole in the pocket of a worker. MTUC mentioned that if a worker were to use the NPE 26 days in a month, he would have spent RM 166.40. That is a lot of money compared to the road tax we are paying. Remember how we crinched when it is the time of the year to renew the road tax. This amount is equivalent to paying the road tax EVERY month for a 1300 cc car. CHL said that it is worthwhile paying the toll for a stress free to the driver and car journey. But I am sure the average salaried man is not prepared to part with RM 166.40 out of his pay to travel this stretch. What guarantee that at the tail end, there is no bottleneck. BTW, the govt has come out with a reply to MTUC. The govt is very firm on the rate. There will not be any reduction. When I asked Semi Value how firm, he cockily said his ministry has received a 90% mandate to be that firm. Of course, he dare to make such statement only after the GE 2004. I understand the main election issue for our Mr Loh Kok Seng, the MP for Kelana Jaya is the toll issue - LDP, KESAS, NPE and WHY (What Have You). He scrape through with flying colours.

robertec
06-04-2004, 12:26 PM
ahem.............. fren....

MP for Kelana Jaya is YB Loh Seng Kok ok and not Loh Kok Seng as you have indicated.

I hope the YB will not get offended as Mr Loh Kok Seng is actually the Neigbourhood Court jester.

Please do not get them mixed up.

pcyeoh
06-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Loh Kok Seng or Loh Seng Kok - what the heck, it is still the same KOK.

cskok8
06-04-2004, 01:14 PM
Please don't insult my surname.

pcyeoh
06-04-2004, 05:02 PM
I am sorry, no offence was meant to anyone with that name. It is just that eversince I got his name wrong, I am stuck with it - whether it is Seng Kok or Kok Seng but this I am very cocksure that his surname is Loh.

clarence
06-04-2004, 08:04 PM
Hi Pc,

This is another kok here, anyway, Seng Kok is already above water.. So who the hack, he care about it. Banners still dancing around the trees at USJ 9. NOw Seng Kok busy polishing apples.

KH EE
07-04-2004, 12:12 PM
dear pcyeoh, my technique as to how to remember names is this:-

LKS = lim kit siang, so the opposite is LSK = loh seng kok, who's the opposition... (from my point-of-view). apple polisher? you betcha ur bottom ringgit...:rolleyes:

Cool Hand Luke
07-04-2004, 02:20 PM
PCYeoh - I am an average salary man. You can verify that with quite a few people here whom I can, in private, give you their names. My mathematics was based on the fact that I would rather trade RM166.40 a month for a major stroke and end up in SJMC paying some RM50,000 just for them to stick two tubes to keep me breathing. If you are perfectly healthy and can run 10 km a day without panting, getting stuck in a two-hour traffic jam would probably not lead to a major stroke. If, on the other hand, you are, just like me, who pant for breath when getting out of my chair, then you will pay the RM166.40 a month. As I have said, cost is relative in this context.

:)

isarahim
07-04-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by cskok8
This is the usual way the govt set the actual toll collected. When the highway is first opened there will be a toll-free period. Then a toll figure is floated as a rumour. If lots of people protest then it is lowered. If things are quiet then the figure stays. Of course only later we find out that the toll has already been set by the agreement and we (the govt) have to compensate the company. Announcing the toll rate after the election is a bonus. Perhaps we should all ask the candidates how much the toll is going to be.

This means that the agreements made with the operators are fundamentally flawed. Because the pricing mechanism as you describe do not have any relation whatsoever in the actual service provided by the road operator. It does not seem to be a factor at all! Which means, in turn, that the road company can continue cutting corners and implenting quick and dirty designs which Malaysia will suffer from for generations to come.

Road operators should have SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS (SLAs). And the road toll they are allowed to charge should be decided according to their ABILITY TO DELIVER ACCORDING TO THOSE SERVICE LEVELS.

Any other type of agreement is a disservice to our country.

isarahim
07-04-2004, 06:55 PM
Assuming the NPE goes by a rate of 10 sen per Km, the 15 Km stretch should cost RM1.50, paid over 2 toll gates. If it is to be 20 sen per Km, it works out to RM3.00 from SJ to KL. Do you think it will get more expensive than this?

So you mean to say that paying 5 sen/km for a jerky, nervous and jammed road is more justified than paying 25 sen/km for a smooth ride?

Come on, these comparisons are all pointless unless you bring in the service level factor.

mallanhead
08-04-2004, 02:48 PM
When the minister said that the toll rate will remain and firm about it, I was thinking why can he ask the people who use it for their opinion.

I leave in SJ. I do not mind paying toll to escape the jam. But give us some reasonable rate. From what I see the road is practically empty. Not all together empty but I do not think they can recoup their money soon.

Maybe if the toll rate a bit lower, more people will try to use it. Mind you, there will always people who are too kedekut to pay.

I am a working mother. Before NPE to travel to Jln Gasing it would take me about 40 minutes and on the bad day maybe 1 hour. But now it takes me only 10 minutes. I have two kids, 2 and 1 year old. The extra minutes I spend with my children are precious. But the truth are RM1.60 one way for toll everyday is a way bit too expensive for me. So instead using it everyday, I use NPE only a couple of time every week. I would use more if the rate are lower. Dont you think that with lower rate, more people will use it and the faster they make the money than higher rate and only a fraction of people using it.

Before the GE, they will listen to the people but after the GE everything is just an empty promise. I thought our Prime Minister said that let works together. But it look like some of his minister only work with some selected people. And would not even listen to us when we requested to have the toll price reviewed.....

cskok8
08-04-2004, 06:34 PM
If the govt lowers the toll, the highway operator will gain in two ways. More usage = more income. Compensation from govt for lower toll= more income.

isarahim
08-04-2004, 06:43 PM
If the govt lowers the toll, the highway operator will gain in two ways. More usage = more income.

Not if the road is already saturated.

The LPD, for instance, is already is beyond saturation.

isarahim
08-04-2004, 07:08 PM
I am a working mother. Before NPE to travel to Jln Gasing it would take me about 40 minutes and on the bad day maybe 1 hour. But now it takes me only 10 minutes. I have two kids, 2 and 1 year old. The extra minutes I spend with my children are precious. But the truth are RM1.60 one way for toll everyday is a way bit too expensive for me.

Very good points! You have exactly the kind of perspective on this that everyone else, in particular the government, should have. The FEE should be related to the SERVICE PROVIDED, not the distance, or how much it cost to build it etc.

And one key element of the SERVICE PROVIDED that you bring up is the savings in time. That should be a key element in the formula that should be used for calculating the FEE to be charged.

Let's assume that due to some construction work, or road saturation, on a certain day the NPE takes you 25 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Now, according to the SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENT, NPE should not be allowed to charge you the same toll rate RM 1.60. Perhaps they would now be allowed to charge you 50 sen instead. Similary, if you did not realise any time saving at all, you should not have to pay anything.

Once I rented a car in France and was travelling up north on a toll road from Nice towards Lyon. I stopped at the booth and handed the guy a Euro note and asked how much the fee is. The chap refused to take my money and told me, in very staggered English, that there is a major road construction ahead and there will be some jams, and therefore we're not charging anything today. And then he pointed at a big yellow sign in French, which I hadn't noticed before, and couldn't read anyway.

I wonder when the day will come when our road operators will show the same responsibility and caring for their customers?

What was that in Wawasan 2020 about 'a caring society' again...?

achee
08-04-2004, 08:11 PM
Reading isarahim's posting, I remembered coming across a clause sometime ago (1995/6), that a highways shall not be collecting toll when there is road distraction etc.

In due cause, Achee want to dig thru old files. If I find something, I post it up. No use to get a manual, or whatsoever, on highway tolling from LLM, they may have omitted the clause by now.

Note::
Achee's household monthly budget for toll (not including visit parents and daughter) is RM250 and I believe all of you, without realising it, are spending as much. That's RM3000 a year! Another BIG HOLE in my purse!!

YEAR 2020 in the making
:(

chsum
08-04-2004, 08:30 PM
Guys & Gals, let's be fair to NPE, I can see that they decide to place the road toll at RM1.60/toll is because Kesas toll is at RM1.50/toll from SJ toward Seramban highway, if they place it at RM1/toll, all the ppl using kesas will use NPE hence saturating it.
It's too early to say that NPE is under utilised as it takes a while for the road user to strike a balance.
Isarahim, I think in France, any toll waived for that day will be added into the length of the concession, anyone can confirm or deny it?

isarahim
08-04-2004, 09:32 PM
Achee's household monthly budget for toll (not including visit parents and daughter) is RM250 and I believe all of you, without realising it, are spending as much. That's RM3000 a year! Another BIG HOLE in my purse!!

A saturated, and thus jerky, road will wear and tear much more on your car - not the least brakes - and makes the engine run inefficiently, make you consume more petrol per km, make you more prone to accidents etc. The increased cost of maintenance and fuel should also be taken into account.

In the LPD example, a road that is a highway by name only, the SERVICE LEVEL does not justify even 50 sen. The poor sods who have to pass the Sunway toll every morning are paying RM 1.00 for 40 min to 1 hour terror.

However, the NPE, in its current state, does probably justify the RM 1.60, assumed that the time saving is maintained at the level quoted elsewhere in this thread.

Certainly, if we go along the line of comparing with Europe, the price of standard unleaded 97 is between RM 4 to 7. Our RM 1.35 is a luxury indeed.

isarahim
08-04-2004, 09:44 PM
Guys & Gals, let's be fair to NPE, I can see that they decide to place the road toll at RM1.60/toll is because Kesas toll is at RM1.50/toll from SJ toward Seramban highway, if they place it at RM1/toll, all the ppl using kesas will use NPE hence saturating it.

Actually, I think we are fair to NPE. My suggestion about a SERVICE LEVEL perspective is something that should go across all toll roads, not only NPE.


Isarahim, I think in France, any toll waived for that day will be added into the length of the concession, anyone can confirm or deny it?

Perhaps so, not sure. I believe in some cases they do not even work on concession basis, but rather as straightforward owners, like a ferry line or energy company.

mallanhead
09-04-2004, 09:46 AM
When we complaint about toll rate, others will says that we are lucky because other countries charges more or their petrol per litre is more expensive that us, their cost of living is higher. But we then to forget that their earning per months is much much more than what we are getting here.

orchipalar
09-04-2004, 09:51 AM
Hi Mallanhead:) - You are right, last Orchi checked, In Singapore, the gross national per capita income was staggering close to USD 21,000 per capita, including babies.:D

So, what are the authorities still having the excuses with, when it comes to issue about 'TOLL' collections rates vs malaysian standards of living?:D

Mason
09-04-2004, 10:28 AM
Wondering...

Is there anyway we can skip the first toll of the NPE, the one near Sunway. I see there is a road connecting to highway just after the toll. How do we get there?

..well I have to find some alternative. Hope you guys can help.

kwchang
09-04-2004, 05:28 PM
Mason,
The road slipping onto NPE after the Sunway toll is the road that winds over the Federal Highway after the Motorola-Sunway interchange. That is where Old Klang Road joins Federal Highway next to the Anchor Beer factory.

If you could get to that "slip road", I'll suggest you keep on going on the Federal Highway instead because the whole mess of the morning jam on the Federal Highway is actually around the Motorola area. Once you hit the beer factory, you are already released from the jam and usually a very nice free-flow.

cskok8
10-04-2004, 10:55 AM
kwchang, that slip road you are talking about also has a toll plaza. Do you think the designers of NPE are that stupid to allow a toll-free way for people to sneak into their highway.

isarahim
10-04-2004, 11:36 AM
Hi Mallanhead:) - You are right, last Orchi checked, In Singapore, the gross national per capita income was staggering close to USD 21,000 per capita, including babies.:D
So, what are the authorities still having the excuses with, when it comes to issue about 'TOLL' collections rates vs malaysian standards of living?:D

This is of course true, though last time I checked, the average income isolated to Klang Valley was not too far off that of Singapore.

thelaw48
10-04-2004, 01:20 PM
A survey done a couple of years ago found that only around 5 % (employee) earn over 5k a month ( about S$2k ) and majority of there people stay within the Klang valley. Of course this figure excludes the big VIP bosses.
Just look at the governmant employee or the rank & file and they already make up a fair share of the population in M'sia. As government staffs do not mean that they are not affected by the TOll.

Toll for the inter-states or those not essential roads are okay, but not at or around housing estates, especially the poor resenidential areas. In M'sia there is no minimum wage policy & no way anyone has the idea how much they earn a month but as for the giant organizations have the power to fix toll rate to their fancy.

orchipalar
10-04-2004, 02:13 PM
Hi Law:) - Orchi isn't sure about the income statistics of the Klang Valley's populations alone, as oppose the GNI figure that Orchi's got for a comparison. Judging from what CHL's statement of being a pauper could be true, or likewise from Isarahim's one, Orchi should be ranked as one of the richest SOB in the Klang Valley.:D

Having said that, probably that is why the rates n amount that Orchi has been made pay for crossing all them freaking tolls around the Klang Valley, is like a tiniest flake of snowdrops in the Antarctica.:rolleyes:

BTW Isarahim:) - Could you be kind enough to go easy with your sissors n glues, as not to have Orchi working the 'tikus' so much, just to scroll through all the lengths of your postings?

IF you wish to address all your strongest thoughts for the whole freaking world to read from this particular forum, just type it out 'normally' as what others would do. Thank you.:) n you're most welcome.

JoeJaffar
12-04-2004, 11:22 AM
Mason,

I think that road is the slip road for Tmn Medan residents to access the NPE/OKR to get to KL.

mallanhead
15-04-2004, 02:26 PM
With Out Prejudice

I used the NPE yesterday. The one under the flyover that you enter to Old Klang Road after Guiness.

The toll was RM1.60 and I have never feel so cheated before. I forgot they charge the toll there. Just imagine even I was already complaining that the toll from SJ is damn bloody expensive. I went to pay Quit Rent in SJ. So I absentmindedly enter the NPE after Guiness. When I reach the toll I just look at the toll guy. I really forgot that i am required to pay.

Then I realise that so how I have to take out so money to pay.

RM1.60 for an existing road that only need to be resurface, rewiden is too damn bloody expensive. I am still fuming with anger. But of course nobody in the Government is listening
______________________

thelaw48
15-04-2004, 04:46 PM
Where were the roads ( toll free) we used to have ages ago? How does anyone uses the Old Klang Road today without having to pay the TOLL, like we did for more than 30 years?

This sharing is OMHO

robertec
28-04-2004, 03:58 PM
The Rocketmen were out on Tuesday, 27th April, at the SS13 Night Market collecting signatures of Residents of Subang Jaya and USJ.

They were also distributing these leaflets.

<P align=center><IMG height=310 alt="" src="http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/articles/133/NPEChinese.jpg" width=500 align=middle border=1></P>
<P align=center><IMG height=288 alt="" src="http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/articles/133/NPEBahasa.jpg" width=500 align=middle border=1></P>
At least some people are doing something about this, except talk.

So how?

pcyeoh
28-04-2004, 05:25 PM
Shall we form a group called usj.com.my and send a delegation of 10 people and make our voice heard? But our objective is to bring down the toll charges and not to do away with it completely as we feel that we still need to pay a fair toll. Now, let me see 10 people step forward to form this group and be there on that day.

Beethoven
28-04-2004, 06:23 PM
I am not for the perhimpunan as i will not be in USJ during that time.
I just want to let you guys know, at 3:20pm just now I was at Persiaran Kewajipan infront of Summit towards SS15, the whole road was bumper to bumper with 4 or 5 lanes, looking at the cars jam near Metropolitan round about, not moving at all, so turn left to the petrol station there to Jengka roundabout, thought of making a u-turn back to the Maybank junction, it was already 4:25pm when i managed to turn to Maybank area in SS15 !
Surprisingly, all the drivers were very patient, no one horns, may be they know they can't change anything ! sigh...

yankeat
28-04-2004, 06:26 PM
Well, ppl in USJ & subang might have a choice to use NPE or not. But I stay in Taman Medan, which is just beside the NPE toll gate.

Can anyone imagine everytime i goes home I have to pay RM1.60 to use less than 1km of the road???!!! :( well, u might say that I can use the old road behind guiness stout. But how about if i come from Sunway or Kelana Jaya??? It's illegal to make turn U turn at the Motorola traffic light or drive straight fr Kelana jaya to the alternative road. So my choice is either to 1) Commit Traffic offence or 2) pay RM1.60 every time i go back fr sunway or kelana jaya.

So there is really no alternative road for people like us who stay in Kampung / Taman Medan. No u-turn to turn into our houses from Federal highway.

robertec
29-04-2004, 11:56 AM
robertec steps forward and fall in line behind PC.

mallanhead
29-04-2004, 03:32 PM
Yah, as i mentioned much much earlier, RM1.60 is expensive even from SJ. But for you people in Taman Medan, it is a day light robbery.

pcyeoh
29-04-2004, 05:06 PM
We don't want to hear anymore complaint about the toll charges. Everyone except one or two agreed that the toll is excessive. That is why the Federal Highway is still clogged with traffic. What I want to see is 8 more people stepping forward to join us for the demonstrasi on 9 April. Once we have the numbers we will plan what to do. Can I see the click of the mouse for 8 more people?

lord
30-04-2004, 08:11 AM
PC, 9 of May I can come, 9 of April, I cannot come. I am not Michael J. Fox to go back in time, man!!

satish
05-05-2004, 07:01 PM
:cool:

Funny..even though the NPE is open from Bangsar to Subang Jaya
(has been open for FREE)
..the entrance to SJ at KFC..is still jammed every evening?

:cool:

robertec
08-05-2004, 12:12 PM
I suppose that it will be a no show by the members of usj.com.my at this event, and to think that PC was contemplating making a special usj.com.my banner for the occasion.

That aside

I used the NPE today to get to Brickfields and paid the (RM1.60 x 2) to get there, to tell you the truth it was really quite a breeze, not that many cars. On the way back, I was thinking, damn it’s expensive to just to drive to Brickfields and back for a total of RM6.40. But I was pleasantly surprised because they were not collecting toll yet for the way back. But the impression that it was expensive stuck in my mind.

All this while, I was practically driving on an empty toll road and this got me thinking again, why can’t the charges be lower so that the average guys can make use of the road?

It is such a pity that so much money is spent on building this expressway and so few people are benefiting from it.

pcyeoh
10-05-2004, 09:30 AM
Sunday morning is a good time for an extended sleep but we knew that we have a mission to accomplish. I picked up Patrick and together armed with our digital camera, we were ready for some action - the demo at the NPE Toll plaza. We cruised the highway, paid the RM 1.60 (a bit painful on my pocket) and were watching out for some noisy demonstrators to join them but we couldn't. Went out at the Templar exit and U turn and viola, there they were - all dressed in blue and a red helmets. Those men in blue couldn't be the Rocket men though their red top has the Rocket corporate colour. To my surprise, there were more men in blue than demonstrators. When we wanted to stop our car, we were forced to drive on. We just didn't have the opportunity to even stop to snap some photos here for all to see. A banner held by the Rocket men could be read and it says "Abolish Toll" meaning the toll should be free. And here is the irony - the toll was free that morning so why are we demonstrating for. Well, it will be free for a couple of days more for the stretch heading towards Subang Jaya. I don't want free toll. I just want it to be at RM 1.00 instead of RM 1.60 which I think it is a fair price to pay. So folks, stop complaining that the toll is too high if you are not there yesterday. We were the only two there.

jayan
10-05-2004, 02:32 PM
You are right Robert,

The return journey from KL (either Bangsar or Fed Highway just before angkasapuri) is currently toll free.

Based on the electronic signage across the highway at strategic points, the return journey will be tolled commencing 8:00 p.m. on Friday, the 15th of May, 2004.

Please take note of the timing, since Friday evenings tend to have the worst traffic jams coming out of KL and the commencement of toll collection seems to be timed to take advantage of unsuspecting motorists who would swing into the highway not realising that toll is being collected.

warm regards
Jayan

KH EE
10-05-2004, 02:39 PM
Thot that it'll be tolled on Saturday 15/5 not Friday 14/5?

jayan
10-05-2004, 08:17 PM
Oops !! :eek: sorry folks, and you are right KH, 15th is Saturday. Aiya !! tells you the kind of day I've had.

regards
Jayan

mallanhead
11-05-2004, 10:51 AM
We drove through there kaypoh kaypoh with my husband (a foreigner) and children to see what happen. It was my husband idea, to see whether Malaysian only talk or do something about it.

I told him even all the shouting and waving banner nobody will listen to us. They will only label us as some citizen that is ungrateful to the government.




"without prejudice"

cskok8
11-05-2004, 11:39 AM
According to the newspapers that I have read, nothing happened that day. So all you people who said that there was a demonstration must be hallucinating.

pcyeoh
11-05-2004, 11:58 AM
It is not that nothing happened. I was told by my friend that the chinese press did comment about the presence of the police force. The number of policemen in red helmets simply overwhelmed the demonstrators and here we read that the police are facing an acute shortage to fight crime. This is the case of an uneven distribution of police force. Personally, I feel that there was no necessity to project a show of force or brute strength when the peaceful crowd there merely want to express their constitutional right - the right to dissent over the high toll charges. I believe most of them are the local residents who are burdened everytime they leave their houses to go down the road. But whether the authorities wants to listen to its rakyak after the election doesn't matter. We will have the second bite of the cherry come 4-5 years time. Rome was not built in a year. Hopefully someone listens. I can afford to pay the toll but that doesn't mean I don't feel for others who don't. That is the reason why I was there.

orchipalar
11-05-2004, 12:02 PM
Hi:) - At the last TT session, Orchi expressed the fact that Orchi like quite many others in this neighborhood, doesn't need to use NPE for various reasons.

Knowing that they are charging too much for it, Orchi would have to avoid using it.

If the gazetted toll rates are lowered(plenty of demonstrations), the government steps in to lower the rates, then the concessionaire would immediately be wanting to be compensated by the government for the differences in the final collections.

In that instance, for people who do not even use NPE at all, would be paying for it, indirectly anyway. This scenario has occured on numerous occasions on other toll-ed expressways in the past.

So, as far as Orchi is concerned, Orchi doesn't give a hoot about the high toll rates by NPE.:)

jericho
11-05-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by pcyeoh
The number of policemen in red helmets simply overwhelmed the demonstrators and here we read that the police are facing an acute shortage to fight crime. This is the case of an uneven distribution of police force.

I thought the fella with red helmet have different functions from the general police force. Of course You can't expect the goverment to deploy the FRU unit to fight crime on the street unless during emergency.

But from what I know, somewhere last month the government widen the functionality of the FRU unit to assist in other PDRM units to includes special operation, rescue operation during natural disaster and illegal racing.

KH EE
11-05-2004, 01:28 PM
Jayan, heard that toll will start on Sunday 16/5 but not sure of the time tho - 6am or 12 midnite?

pcyeoh
11-05-2004, 05:20 PM
KH Ee, you are wrong on both counts. The party will be over and they will start collecting the toll at 8.00 am sharp on Saturday 15th May 2004. This is confirmed by the PR Dept of NPE (Tel 03-77838800) The funny thing is isn't it ridiculous to start the collection at peak hour. Imagine I am next in line when the gantry comes down hard on me and the sweet young thing going to have tough time with me when she says "That will be RM 1.60" Lu ikut siapa punya time? - you punya clock atau saya punya watch. Apa pasai tak boleh ikut RTM punya waktu apabila dia punya berita disiarkan? Why can't they start the collection say at 12 midnight when the traffic is low? That was an interesting question I posed to the PR lady and she apologised. She said that those without brain suggested that. And I asked "And they are working here?" She said "No, this directive about when to start colecting comes from the Ministry of Works." No need to elaborate further who that person is.

PS: The part about those without brain actually didn't come from her. It is mine.

jayan
11-05-2004, 05:28 PM
PC is right, although I got my info from the electronic signage along the highway, and in particular near the toll plazas.

Still, fact is we would have to start forking out moolahs from Saturday onwards ...... Saturday Night Fever man ..... and it sucks !

Only question is how much will it cost on the return journey.

Warm regards
Jayan

KH EE
12-05-2004, 10:41 AM
You're right, pcyeoh - it's 8am Sat 15/5 - saw it in yesterday's (11/5) theSUN.

Is there a toll-free way from Kg. Medan to Sunway, bypassing the PJS2 toll?

Also, any U-turn at the NPE toll, similarly to LDP's Puchong West's toll booth? :D

cskok8
12-05-2004, 12:13 PM
A toll-free route was promised (before the election) - to be built within a month. It is now close to 2 months since the election no sign of it.

pcyeoh
12-05-2004, 01:24 PM
This whole saga on alternative route at the NPE is rather confusing when too many politicians got involved. In the first place whoever approved the concessionaire plan did so blindly without any thought for the rakyak. That is the reason after the highway is constructed, there are so many variation orders to be made and when this cost additional money, the government simply extends the concessionaire period. The way I look at it, it is going to be forever until somebody put his feet down - hopefully it will not be run over by a car. There was a big argument about this promise and during the GE 2004, this became a very hot issue. I remember reading in the paper that our Semi Value even argued that there was no such promise. In the end, an amicable solution was found - yes it will be built and our Kelana Jaya MP who just came into the picture in time after the election walked away with the credit.

cskok8
12-05-2004, 02:32 PM
Yes, and the previous ADUN who was rather vocal about it got dumped for all her trouble.

patrick
12-05-2004, 07:19 PM
Maybe PC can afford it. As for me....I dont even have a job! And therefore, technically I dont even need to use the NPE. But I too feel very strongly for the many others who have to consider this expensive option. It's just not fair to charge 3.20 each way or 6.40 return! Or 160 a month!! That's a princely amount not to mention the cost of car maintenance!

As a shareholder of Roadbuilder, I shall not hesitate to let my tongue do the lashing at the next AGM. That I promise you. Unless they reduce the charges before than.

Rgd.

satish
12-05-2004, 08:00 PM
My last trip to KL using Lebuhraya Shah ALam KL had made me pay RM3.00 for the 2 toll booths one way..
Return leg another RM3.00..Never realised how much I was paying, as was using Fast Tag..
Got to reduce my trips to KL using this route now..
CHeers!

CS Chua
13-05-2004, 03:16 PM
Hi, I am new to this forum. I am away from Subang Jaya for an extended period of time so I am curious to know whether NPE has started the construction of the flyover from Jalan Kewajipan to Sunway?

I think I will stay away until they finish this flyover. :D

Anymore knows when they will start?

joker2107
13-05-2004, 04:13 PM
with all the distraction caused by the high toll rate, did anyone notice the ingress to the npe at the kl end? ime thinks some clowns designed it, clowns without engineering and road safety expertise. the fh is meant to be a "high speed" 80kmh motorway. suddenly out of the blues round a sharp bend, we have a fork in the middle of the road. its too late to rebuild, but i hope motorists don't make it too late for themselves.

JoeJaffar
13-05-2004, 04:50 PM
They're just following existing 'role models'. Junctions at high speed lane. Just look at LDP - USJ & TTDI and Besraya Mines-Balakong.. Next one up, Bandar Kinrara ramp from Sg Besi-Puchong bypass.