Hicom's turning to Persiaran Tujuan closed

[mmouse]

Dear all

if you have not noticed, the turning from Shah Alam/Hicom to Persiaran Tujuan (USJ17/USJ16) had been converted to exit only.

[sibewe]

Yes,I noticed it on my way home last night. And this morning,seen so many cars still trying to turn in despite the tight angle. Anyway,it's still no deterrant to the motorcycles. Is this Jalan Usaha going to be coverted into a one-way street? Am sure it will attract lots of complaints from all USJ and Non-USJ Residents.Whatever it is,hopefully there will be a better alternative route for those who live in USJ16 who will be the worst hit.

[robertec]

It is a sorry sight, that excellent solutions are spoilt by bad implementation.

The blockade was removed last night.

Such a pity that you guys in USJ12, US16 and USJ17 have to accepted what is termed a "status quo", for so many years, quite sad really.

[mmouse]

Another U-Turn of implementation by local authorities... interesting !

[satish]

Interesting....but at the expense of USJians who pay the assessments!.....no wonder they say they cannot balance their
budget..now we see which drain the money goes down to..!
:(

[fonzie]

My take on this...

1. I can empathise with the government body that made the decision to put up the barriers.

2. I feel for them too if (just hypothesing), there was disapproval of the decision from some other entity and then asked/ordered to change the decision.

3. Whatever the background developments to this issue, it is sad, no rational thought was taken to allow a "cooling off" or "run-in" period (say, a month or two?) for the original decision to take its course.

4. By doing this, perhaps one can gauge better the impact of the decision and take it from there....

5. As it is, the general public now has a cynical perception of the whole issue.

6. Grave thoughts are now running through my mind if this is the way public administration of this once wonderful community is going to be run....

Rgds,
FonZie

[Beethoven]

fonzie,
I think I know the answer of your point no. 2 ...

Just wonder where do all these "tai kor" stay ? Operating a business here doesn't mean you can do whatever you like ! The priority have to be the welfare of residents who stay here.

The sad thing is, the authorities only listen to the tai kor, who are you resident, man ?!

What can we do now ?

[robertec]

Just so that all of you are aware, a very comprehensive solution to the traffic woes in the whole affected residential area was submitted to MPSJ, in April 2003 for their study and approval.

Believe me, it was not some whimsical make-do proposal but a well thought-out solution that catered for ever sector of the area, residential and commercial alike.

After almost 6 months of deliberation, MPSJ finally decided to adopt a portion of what was proposed.

The first thing that they did was to implement it in the wrong sequence, and to make matters Worse, they proceeded without giving any forewarning to residents, mind you, not even to the very people who were instrumental in making the proposal.

"Pressure" was applied and in less than 2 days, all the planning and discussion in MPSJ became all wrong and the blockade was removed. It was back to what has been called a "status quo"

What can we do? - quite a bit if you ask me.

If you believe that in Residential Areas, residents’ welfare come first, stand up and support the initiative, do not continue to take it laying down.

Pick up that phone and call MPSJ to inform them how you feel.

It does not matter if you are not a resident of the mentioned area; speak as a member of the greater Community of SJ/USJ. After all what are neighbours for?

[mmouse]

The other thing we can do is to boycott the business belong to unethical businessmen who have no regards to our community aspirations.

[ohm]

From: a_ng2020@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:29:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Jalan Usaha " Sandiwara"
To: jkpzon3@yahoogroups.com, andy@hargrave.com.my, ong.hua.meng@mbfh.com,
viji_vg@hotmail.com, pcyeoh@usj.com.my
Cc: YB Dato Lee Hwa Beng <hwabeng@pc.jaring.my>

Dear friends, neighbours and YB,
I am attaching herewith my 2 sen worth of thoughts on
the above matter for your perusal.
Best regards,
Anthony Ng


Dear friends and Neighbours,

29 Oct was a day of unusual quiet. It was too good to be true. Sure enough, I was informed that night that a closure had been made at the Jln Usaha access from the LDP and that MPSJ had backed down and started removing it.
To give support,I attended the meeting the next day.

The following are my thoughts :

Here today gone tomorrow. Highly suspicious action by MPSJ.
Sandiwara? A ruse arranged to.Gauge the temperature? Gauging the support of both sides? Delaying tactics till after the elections?
It is easy to identify the real party(s) opposing this closure and making an issue of it. It must be ensured that. only the owners or representatives with the owners' mandate in writing can participate at discussions and it is debatable whether the Tanjong flats representative should be involved.
Only two main commercial parties are involved per se, viz Sri melor and Caltex.
The majority of residents support the proposals even though the implementation will inconvenience some of them, such as being forced to take a longer way home.
MPSJ must prioratise according to the needs of residents , not cater to the interests of a small group of commercial people. The questions that need to be asked….Are USJ 12, 16 and 17 Designated residential or commercial areas. Who serves whose needs? The small neighbourhood businesses that cater to the needs of the immediate neighbourhood ( which single storied small shoplots were designed and planned) or the residents made to acquiesce to the unreasonable protests and demands from this minority group because they feel inconvenienced and/or their customers from all over the district are inconvenienced?
Note that the speed item 5 of the JKP proposal was implemented ( and first), instead of being the last as proposed, without due notice to any of the parties and its subsequent speedier removal would have and indeed created a valid excuse for the Caltex operator to round up also the Tanjong Bunga flats residents for support (rabble rousing tactic) and placed him even before the meeting at a psychological advantage over the MSJ and legitimise his opposition to the proposals. Not surprising, a career in the armed forces would have equipped him with such "war game plans and strategies".

The recurring overused theme of rich vs poor was brought up again to gather more support and sympathy. As Mr. Lee aptly put, chicken and duck talk, but which I would rather term a lot of crap. We are no chickens nor ducks. So was the colonel's ego trip and ramblings about his connections with the MB for the benefit of his supporters and or the YdP ? Remember that the MB objected to the proposed closure of the road to the LDP on the flimsy reason given by the colonel and Sri Melor that it would "inconvenience their customers" ,which was quoted by the former YdP and reported by Dharmender Singh in Metro,The Star dated 8th May 2001.. In the same article,Encik Ahmad Fuad ( as he was then known ) said that for the safety of the Tanjong Flats residents, they would not be allowed to exit onto the LDP as the volume of heavy vehicles turning into Jln Usaha was high. This instead of reducing the problems,made it a nightmare for residents staying on both sides beside the slope. I conservatively estimate more than 1000 vehicles additionally routed up the incline daily. As safety was involved, this was reluctantly accepted even though it was forced down our throats. Now is this not the time to reciprocate ( and for their own safety too ) by supporting item 5 ? Is not a main access to the LDP with proper traffic lights installed highly beneficial to them? There can be only one party again, who will feel disadvantaged. You've guessed it! Potential loss of traffic from these flats.

On the other hand, this Sandiwara also gave us the opportunity to observe their line of argument, logical or otherwise and most importantly, gauge the reactions and working of the new YdP for the first time.(at least in my case)

To paraphrase our beloved former PM, it appears that the commercial people are running the MPSJ in particular and the local councils in Selangor by proxy.

East is East and West is West. Never the twain shall meet
The objective of the residents is to improve their quality of life and one way is to reduce or eliminate the high traffic volume especially Heavy vehicles flowing incessantly through their neighbourhood. The business strategy of Caltex on the other hand is to generate as high a captive traffic volume flow as possible from which to draw their prospective customers. If this is at the expense of lowering the quality of life of the residents, then it's unfortunate because they had legimitately paid good money for the site never mind if it was a case of bad planning by the developer or negligence on the part of the approving authorities. Having said this, Caltex ( the MNC, not the operator whom we feel some degree of sympathy for ) must have surely realised that this site was located within a residential area. In fact this problem was brought to the attention of MPSJ way before the station was built and way before the transplantation of relocated squatters into an unplanned ( as opposed to purpose built or purpose-located ) area amongst our midst.

May I suggest that JKP initiate a dialogue with both Caltex (Corporate Affairs ) and Sime UEP to see if the station could be located at a site beside the LDP and the land be exchanged. The Authorities can assist if both parties agree to this arrangement. Caltex have always advertised the fact that they are a caring Corporation. A lot of good PR and goodwill will be generated for all parties concerned. Colonel(R) Shah will be blissfully rolling in his customers without the need to remain a thorn in the sides of residents. Sime Uep can donate the site to be used as a library/computer centre for the use of residents( even Caltex can donate this site should they purchase an alternative, not necessarily from Sime UEP.. the State Authorities can assist by facilitating approval for use as a petrol station site ). The residents I am sure, will support Caltex and the colonel by patronising the station instead of boycotting the existing station as suggested by some frustrated residents. This way, a win win situation will be created.

Another suggestion is to appeal to the department of environment, housing and local government ministry to conduct monitoring of the pollution and noise levels over a period of 1 month on a 24 hours basis. In the event the pollution and noise levels exceed the permitted limits, we should insist that an immediate solution be implemented. Throw the problem back to the Authorities.

In conclusion, allow me to convey my sincere appreciation to the JKP and other residents involved in raising issues for the common benefit of all residents. Do not be disappointed at this slight setback but continue with your good work. We fully support you all the way.

Feel free to use/quote at will.

Best regards,
Your frustrated and retired neighbour,

Anthony Ng

[ohm]

----- Original Message -----
From: mcm
To: Neighbours Zone 3
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Jalan Usaha " Sandiwara"


Dear Neighbours,
It is very obvious that the Business Operators would
strongly object to the closing of the entrance.
On the other hand are the rest of other resident &
resident commitees are well informed of such
proposal and are they supportive of such a change?
Would they be able to gather a signature campaign as
a show of support ?

This proposed closure should be given at least a
week or so to gauge the full effects, and interests
of the residents should not be compromised by the
few business operators who only have their selfish
vested motives !

I certainly wouldn't mind the slight inconvenience
of having a longer detour into USJ17 than having to
endure the high volume of vehicles, tankers,
trailers, cement truckers, lorries, speedsters
cruising into JLN USAHA.

On many occassions these truckers brazenly park
themselves right in the front gates of our houses
while patronising the food operators in USJ17 .
Why should there be such heavy trucks in JLN USAHA
when the road is supposed to be restricted to below
5 ton traffic ?

I doubt that there's any enforcement from the
authorities at all, otherwise we wouldn't be having
all these heavy trucks plying along this road.
Conversely the authorities were there in no time to
remove the road closure at the slightest behest of
the few business operators who wouldn't care two
hoots of the residents in the area.

High time that we do something .

mcm.

[JoeJaffar]

Heck I was wondering what had happened to the blocked entrance. Why was a petrol station be allowed to operate along internal residential roads in the first place. Wouldn't it be more visible for them to operate along the main arteries, like the LDP, Persiaran Tujuan, etc.

[Beethoven]

Joejaffar,
Don't you notice, there is another caltex not too far away near the LDP.

Actually I found that the residents will have no way out if any explosion happen to the caltex in USJ 16( sorry, touch wood ), b'cos they are 'locked' and the only way is Jln Usaha, which is always busy with outsider vehicles from the highway, it is very very unfair to the residents here !

The same apply to Jln USJ 12/1. residents can't even reverse their car out from the car porch every morning!

For those who stays in USJ 12/ 16 /17 who used to enter Jln Usaha from the Puchong Highway everyday, please , don't be so selfish, please support the closure of entrance of Jln Usaha from the Puchong highway, this will benefit you one day.

[tan_r]

Support simply means the affected residents cannot remain silent. Whether they agree or not, they have to SPEAK OUT and LOUD. Becos the silence could be misconstrued as "only a handful trouble makers" are unhappy with the current conditions!

[mmouse]

Perhaps we can create a electronic form for everyone to pen down his/her support and forward to local government.

[uchangeng]

How about writing a petition? get all residents to gather at the gazeboo to pen their protest this coming Sunday.

Send the petition to our YB Lee Hwa Beng to be given to the new YDP..

[umadavid]

One Way or Two Way, that is the Question?

I would like to laud our local council and ADUN for their hind sight in trying to rectify our infrastructure problem by working closely with Jawatan Kuasa Penduduk Zone 3 committee and its wise proposals and acting upon it. Better late than never, I guess.

Way back even before the Seri Tanjung Flats in USJ16 were built, the infrastructure problem was brought forward to the notice of the local authority by a large group of "far sighted" residents. MPSJ did not delve deep enough or didn't have the insight to look into this problem in the long run.

Hence, Sime UEP was given the green light to go ahead with building the flats with no thoughts given as to how these flat occupants will get in and out of their own premises given the already congested road. The Seri Tanjung flats are now up and only about 50% occupied and already these residents as well as all the other residents in the immediate area have been facing tremendous stress daily when they go to work due to the heavy traffic and constant jam. They have to play a game of "chicken" every morning with the continuous flow of cars draining into Jalan Usaha when residents are trying to get out via Jalan Usaha. Only now in the year 2003, MPSJ has finally seen the light and will open up a new access road into LDP for flat residents. This will greatly improve their (the Flat resident's) quality of living given that they will not have to face the constant stressful traffic snarl-up first thing in the morning when they try to get out of their compound and on to work on time. While this will certainly help the flat residents, we, the rest of the residents still need to endanger our lives everyday.


So we are voting to have Jln Usaha made one way

1. so that traffic flow will be greatly reduced and road safety greatly enhanced
2. to prevent undue stressful situations arising due to constant traffic snarl-up
3. to make this road less accidents prone
4. so that the poor residents trying to get out of their compound can get to work on time
5. so that the school children can cross the road safely to get to and fro school
6. so that the residents can lead more stress free lives
7. so much so that we don't mind using a longer way to come back home after work


Traffic from Shah Alam and elsewhere can travel a few extra meters to Jalan Kewajipan to get to wherever they want to go instead of using Jalan Usaha as an unofficial short cut whereby causing terrible traffic snarl up and dangerous situations everyday. Jalan Usaha will still be open to those who go out (but not those who want to come in causing undue jams!) Residents should be given the priority to use this road as this is a residential road.

On another note we the residents in this area also would like to question the local authority on the fact as to why it had given the green light for yet another petrol station to be opened in our midst. Certainly we do not need three petrol stations i.e Caltex (Jalan Usaha), USJ18 (Jalan Kewajipan) and Esso USJ20 (Jalan Kewajipan -undercontruction). This smacks of downright apathy as it puts us, the residents, in line of danger. Who will be held responsible for the residents lives should any of these stations accidentally blow up in our midst? You can bet your last dollar that the casualty rate will be an all time high given that scenario. Petrol stations should never have been located smack in the middle of any residential area more so when it is also very close to the gas pipelines.

When MPSJ closed part of Jalan Usaha for 36 hours (let's round it up to 2 days, shall we?)we had near empty streets making the residents wander if everyone had gone on vacation or something...it was truly blissful. Such joy! What did it proof? That most of those causing the traffic jam do not even live here but come in from Shah Alam or elsewhere to use the residential roads as an unofficial short cut to wherever they are going to causing Seri Tanjung residents as well as the residents in and around this area to have a tough time getting in and out of our own compound.


Recently the residents, members of JKP and businessmen met with the head of the local authority and ADUN for a discussion. The meeting was chaired by President of MPSJ. He thanked all for being present given the short notice. He mentioned that our presence about 50 of us, showed that the issue on hand was important to us. He said that he will give each side a fair hearing.

JKP's Chairman Mr. Andy gave a very brief outline on the history of the problem and passed on to Anthony a resident and an architect to present a proposal by JKP on how our traffic situation can be improved and how it can be implemented. This proposal was exhaustive and implementable with minimum costs and would greatly improve the traffic flow.

The business community was headed by a Colonel (rtd) who said that he was representing the businessmen as well as Seri Tanjung residents. He declared that he was the director of several companies as well as having connection with high places and that the businessmen and flat dwellers were a uneducated lot and that we the residents were trying the cheat them off their living. He brought up the subject of the residents being rich and elite while the flat dwellers and businessmen were poor trying to eke out a living. He had no concrete reason to object to the road being made one way except that no one told him that it was going to be implemented. He blamed JKP for not keeping him informed and gave the general impression that he thought that the proposal was just being thrown in by the JKP without much thought. He refused to accept the proposal offhand.

Mr. Andy, said that he also was in the dark about the implementation as were the rest of the residents. He mentioned that everyone has the right to give its proposal to MPSJ but the decision has to come from them. Yes or No, MPSJ has the implementing power.

ADUN mentioned that the proposal has its merits and that Seri Tanjung residents would benefit from it. Some of the Seri Tanjung residents were still blur on how the proposal will be implemented and asked that it be stalled for the time being. ADUN said that outlet to LDP from the flats will be started soonest.

MPSJ's head said that as all sides cannot come to an agreement that morning, he suggested that an ad-hoc committee be formed with 5 members from each sides and that he will head this new committee to discuss this matter further.

The way, I as a layman sees it, it is this Colonel (rtd) who should be rolling in money by his own admission that he is the director of several companies and taking Restaurant Seri Melor as one example of the poor uneducated businessmen, anyone can see that their shops are packed with people everyday. Packed shops = $s coming in, simple calculations. I would like to defer with the Colonel (rtd) on one point though...I doubt very much that the flat dwellers nor the businessmen would appreciate very much being called uneducated...education need not be measured by what paper qualification you have nor how high you have climbed the social ladder as even life is capable of giving you an education!

Anyway, so who are the ones patronising these business concerns? Yes, it is the residents. And are we, the residents rolling in money? I doubt it very much, as most of us are still servicing our bank housing loans and car loans and still have to slog at our work places to bring home the bacon. Some of us do not even own the premises we live in as we are only tenants here. So how come, we get be labelled "rich" or "elite" every time? We certainly do not claim to be and we don't feel that it was the right place to bring this up...I mean how is this going to help us with our traffic problem? This particular horse had been flogged too many times unsuccessfully for it to mean anything at all and we the residents are past caring about being labelled as such as it is a non-event.

When the meeting adjourned, my friend and I approached one of the Seri Tanjung residents to get his view point. It was very clear that he thought that Jalan Usaha access to Seri Tanjung was going to be closed. When we explained that it was not going to be closed but only that it was going to be made one way, he was immensely relieved. He was misinformed, just as we had guessed. He wants someone in the know to go and explain the proposal to fellow flat residents as he was not well versed with the proposal and that should clear the misconception.

Eventhough USJ16 residents will be the most affected by this proposal, most of us don't mind travelling the few extra kilometers to reach home if that is what it takes to make Jalan Usaha a low traffic residential road.

So what exactly was being proposed by the JKP which drew the ire of the business community? Well, here goes:

It is five-point traffic proposal. Here is brief out line on this proposal.

Point 1

Open direct access road to Jalan Puchong/LDP for Sri Tanjung residents.
Note: it is designed for access in and out of the Sri Tanjung residents only. Motorist from Shah Alam or elsewhere cannot use it to come into Jalan Usaha.

Point 2

Improve access to USJ 16 commercial area. This has since been completed.

Point 3

Improve junction of USJ 17/1 and USJ 16 at Jalan Usaha

Point 4

Improve the junction at USJ 20/18 at Jalan Kewajipan

Point 5

Partial closure of Jalan Usaha

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[uchangeng]

I live in USJ 16 and I am totally in the dark as far as the traffic change at Jalan Usaha is concerned. I found that out one late evening when I was unable to turned in from the Hicom area after work.

Thanks to the residents who went to "fight" for our right at the MPSJ.. Do let me know the next course of action the residents committee will do, I will like to join in. At least to register my support to the course : Turn Jalan Usaha into a one way road out from USJ 16 to Hicom Area.

And about that " Colonel (rtd) who said that he was representing the businessmen...". Let say we stop patronising the eateries... and play the game of wait and see what happen next. Anyway, I am not much of a guy who would eat out at that corner shop and I pump my petrol at Shell on my company account anyway.

About petrol stations in a residential area. There are just so many these days. May be good for competition.

[romi_o]

err... sorry for me to interrupt

i live in usj6, but work in hicom, i use the road to go to work n come back to my house.... so if this is the case, to ease traffic jams or etc.... why don't MPSJ close persiaran kewajipan?? i've been suffering for almost 10 yrs since the opening of persiaran kewajipan.... jams, traffics.... huh, don't even mentioned about honks!!!!!!:mad: and u say jalan usaha is jam!!! forgive me if i sound like selfish, but do we have a choice??

come to think about this, just in front of the junction, we have usj2: 1 shell, 1 petronas, usj 1: 1 shell, and i can even smell the petrol odour everyday.... why don't we shutdown every station??? why don't we make persiaran kewajipan a one-way out of USJ??? because they are others using the roads.....

:( sad to hear that just some cars (traffics and ppl make a lot of fuss... oh, btw, i have a primary school just next to my place, so? do we need to close the road too??

[ohm]

Posted on behalf of Mr Anthony Ng

The continuing saga of jalan Usaha….
10th Nov.2003

The farce continues. It is sad to read the many misinformed comments and side-trekking of issues. . That is why I am saying that we cannot see the trees for the forest.

i)Is it possible for the JKP to post their 5 points comprehensive traffic realignment proposal as agreed to by MPSJ and in the order of priority in which these were supposed to be implemented ?

ii)Has the above been properly explained and disseminated to the population at large ? I note that one or two residents staying in jln 17/1 and from USJ18 have had reservations , as it may mean slightly heavier vehicle flow through their respective roads. We were made to understand that the proposals were a compromise and more comprehensive solution as against the wishes of some who only wanted the access to be completely sealed. As a matter of fact, the two parties who were the principal opponents of earlier proposals ( before the horse had bolted as P.C. Yeoh aptly put )are now backing the proposals 100% after having observed only minor increase in traffic flow through their areas during the 2 days closure of the exit It will be an exercise in futility if some parties continue to object to the proposals and endeavour to reopen debate on the net, even diverting it to questioning whether the problems caused by traffic plying jln Usaha is indeed an issue.

iii)Are we now being forced to take a full circle ?! Is the JKP insisting on the implementation of their plans ? Are we the residents being forced to compromise again ?

I totally agree that since we are the vocal few, we may be at risk of being singled out as trouble makers..Let me assure you that at my age, I am in no state of mind to make trouble. I only wish to live my golden years in a serene and conducive environment , not to be told that if I cannot tolerate the situation, then bloody well shift to Lembah Beringin or retire to pasture at Selesa hill homes !
.

Thank you and may we be blessed with a happy ending to this saga.

Anthony Ng

Note from ohm: Please get more details of residents view points at
http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?start=31&count=10&id=23E40142-F9CF-445E-913A733D1A0C3FC1&#bufferB00C815D-D93A-4151-BC7CD3650132AFD7

[ohm]

Dear romi-o,

I would agree with you that if we chose to stay near a highway like Jalan Kewajipan, or near a petrol station or even a school like you,ie once we make that choice and must live with it. But most of us didn’t chose to live near a trunk road and Jalan Usaha is not one shortcut for every one in USJ or Subang Jaya to take- at the expense of the residents living there.

Here is a situation whereby the problem is dumped onto our very front house. When I bought my house in USJ 16, I was assured by a senior manager in UEP that Jalan Usaha will never be a through road. He convinced me that it is a residential road cos it not as large as Jalan Kewajipan and Jalan Tujuan . Based on that fact, I bought the house. If you notice, USJ 12 houses are the worst affected as they do not have a service road hence it is never meant to be a trunk road like Jalan Kewajipan or Jlana Tujuan.

Over the last four years, 1,000 unit of flats was dumped onto this area, a petrol station was built, two schools were built in nearby. To aggravate the situation, heavy trucks and lorries take this as a short cut just like you. Children going to and fro USJ 13 school and USJ 16 face this traffic and it is even dangerous for us residents to cross the road to our favourite the tarik shop. Residents from USJ12, 16, 17 and 18 cant even cross the road without risking our lives because people like you are not giving way in your rush to go to our office or back home. As for the pollution, why must we breath the exhaust fumes spilling car each time you ramp up your car across the gas pipe line? . If you’re not convinced of the traffic volume, try jogging on this road on a working day at peak period.

Our solution in the partial closure Jalan Usaha is a compromise; traffic is still coming through Jalan Usaha in the morning, but when you come back to Subang Jaya/ USJ area, go through the designated truck road.

As for Mr U call for boycott, I view it differently, in fact, we should work with them to minimize the impact of their sales. Question would be to Mr U is will you change your petrol pumping habit to Caltex is the agree amicably to the partial closure ?it may just wishfull thinking dealing with profit oriented business people.

I have posted my views on
http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?id=23E40142-F9CF-445E-913A733D1A0C3FC1&start=21&count=10

[romi_o]

well, i don't think anyone should tolerate this, not before u bought the house or after u bought the house (this apply to renting a property also)
if i remember correctly, jalan kewajipan is only a road between sj n usj, but due to the construction of kesas, the previous 3 roads between sj n usj were modified to be only 2 left, the road between ss18/ss14 n usj2 was removed.... so? did anyone say anything about closing down kesas?? NO!! when our family moved to usj, there was no traffic jam, don't even mentioned the petrol stations, the junctions etc... even back then, the school was not even here!!!! mind u, i have gone thru the construction of the school n the teachers' quarters...

what i'm saying is, why don't let mpsj build a pedestrian bridge? they should build one infront of each school... it's up to the teachers n parents to teach/educate their young ones to use such facilities... don't blame the drivers, u all also drive, and u heard anyone complaining on u ppl driving thru the road infront of ur house everyday??? man! u should stay in my place (or around usj2, crt1, or even usj1) and see if u will gone nuts???

btw, i didn't pump in that caltex station:)


just get our mpsj to build a bridge, educate our young ones, pray for drivers to be considerate n cautious.... peace!

[robertec]

Sorry to spoil all the fun, but isn’t this the exact same type of rhetoric that the Americans use to try and impose their will on others?

If the proposal was so whacky and selfish in the first place, it makes one wonder why MPSJ deliberated and finally decided to implement them?

It is not as if we are trying to get them to build an overhead bridge over a 50 feet road are we? Even a mini bridge?

Ooops, I needed to add this :

God helps those who help themselves.

[robertec]

If you guys are really concerned and want the actual low-down to this story get the details here :

<p align=center>http://usj16.nwatch.net.my/article.cfm?id=169</p>

[jeffooi]

Can somebody provide additional explanation on how is the traffic flow for these spots? I ponder over the multiple arrows and didn't manage to get anywhere:

<img src="http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/ACF323E.jpg">

Thanks.

[jeffooi]

And then this one:

<img src="http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/ACF3240.jpg">

Can I assume that, in order for this to work as envisaged, Jalan Usaha must first be made two-way intra-community only i.e. traffic stress reduced by blocking incoming vehicles from Shah Alam/KLIA?

i.e. this step cannot be implemented as a stand-alone?

Thanks.

[robertec]

Apologies for the delayed reply.

In Map D1, had the signs been a round “mandatory” direction sign (blue background with white arrow), it could all be quite easily explained. The problem is not many people know what a mandatory directional sign is, or care.

So a “No entry” sign at either side of USJ17/1 and USJ16 was used to indicate that residents from USJ16 cannot cut across into USJ17/1 and vice versa.

Map D2 is a better representation of what was proposed.

The building of a traffic island on the USJ16 side of the entrance would have accomplished the needed effect, and this was communicated verbally to the MPSJ Engineering Department.
Please see the amended Map below:

<p align=center>http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/PlanD2a.jpg</p>
So why was Plan D split up? mainly because of economics, it was submitted as an and/or option.

We understand that MPSJ approved the Plan in total, including the shifting of the entrance into the commericial area, this constituted an extensive undertaking; we must say that MPSJ did not shirk from their responsibilities.

As mentioned, the proposal took into consideration the aspirations of all Residents, with as minimal a disruption as possible to the whole Community. In a nutshell, it was trying to get the best of all worlds.

Hopefully this answers your query.

Your input is extremely valuable to the Community, please feel free to study the various proposals and let us know your concerns.

[robertec]

Jeff,

In answer to your question as to whether the Southern Entrance of Jalan Usaha must be closed to incoming traffic from Hi-com/Shah Alam for Plan D to work, the answer is no.

Plan D as with all the other proposals could have worked just as well independently.

In a sense, each proposal was in one way or another interlinked to the others. It would have been ideal if they were all orchestrated for implementation together.

But alas, what do you think are the chances of that happening?

[Beethoven]

So, has any decision being made so far ?
When are they going to start work ?
Which plan ?
TQ.

[jeffooi]

Thanks Robert for the new Map D2, the added structure to "regulate" entrance/exit at USJ16 would help a little to reduce potential risk of accidents.

But I am sceptical it would work beyond that, i.e. regulating traffic.

The stress on Jalan Usaha, particular at the USJ16 - USJ17/1C remains. Hence, I am of the opinion that it won;t work satisfactorily as a standalone.

In a way, I am supporting the mandatory closing of traffic to vehicles coming from KLIA and Shah Alam. That's, provided, that's the only way to reduce the stress levelof Jalan Usaha.

But if Jalan Usaha is closed to KLIA/Shah Alam in-coming traffic, say early next year, would the business community "gang up" with the USJ16 flats community to lobby for a tearing down of the perimeter wall we took pain to get the authorities to build?

This may require manoeuvres beyond the drawings on the "comprehensive proposal", I think.

An off-topic: Sri Melor is getting dirtier amd dirtier. Cat-sized rats may breed and infest the neighbourhood, soon.

Can JKP Zon3 get MPSJ to do a "comprehensive" health check, and action taken?

[pcyeoh]

Just like the length of our fingers, I forsee 5 different groups of people will react differently and for obvious reasons.

Group 1
Those living along this stretch whether immediate or a bit further in will not mind travelling the extra mile in order to have sanity throughtout the day and night.

Group 2
Those who operate a business here where their customers or clients are mostly the residents of this vicinity will also support the partial closure so long as the intra traffic is still 2 ways

Group 3
Those who occasionally or infrequently use this stretch will generally be indifferent to the partial closure. In fact, they will support it if they patronise the commercial areas frequently as it becomes safer at the killer junction of USJ 17 and USJ 16

Group 4
Those who use this stretch as a short cut to Jalan Tujuan and onwards (eg those staying in USJ 6) will object strongly as they do not wished to be inconvenient to travel the extra mile. They couldn't be bothered who die in between.

Group 5
Those whose businesses depend on the Non residents who are the short cutters though their contributions to their revenue may not be substantial but in business the Ringgit is King. Their crave will outweigh whatever social responsibilty these business outlets have - if they ever have it in the first place. So you can expect this group to not only strongly object but as things are happening, they have been instigating the Sri Tanjung Flats residents to join their bandwagon by misleading them.

This commercial group are only a handful but because they are very vocal and can throw names, MPSJ has kowtowed to them by removing the barrier hardly 36 hours after erecting it. With Pak Lah on board on board as our new PM and with his stern warning about "apple polishing" we sincerely hope the MPSJ will have the balls to make a decison which is fair to the people. Mind you, there are two state seats (Subang Jaya and Kinrara) at stake in this area. Thus, the voice of the people should be louder than the corporate people. I would just like to remind the korporat to be aware that we are their customers as well. We know that majority are in favour of this partial closure in the name of SAFETY. The current stuation, if left unchecked can only get worse. The New Pantai Expressway will be dumping the city traffic at our doorstep and Jalan Usaha will act as a very nice conduit to Shah Alam and Puchong and KLIA

[robertec]

Jeff, in answer to your question

"An off-topic: Sri Melor is getting dirtier amd dirtier. Cat-sized rats may breed and infest the neighbourhood, soon.

Can JKP Zon3 get MPSJ to do a "comprehensive" health check, and action taken?"

Your observation was submitted during the JKP Zon3 meeting held in December 2003, it was agreed that action be taken to inform MPSJ, I was unable to make a reply, as I was not at the meeting.

During the JKP meeting last night, I was told that MPSJ have been notified accordingly. Should you notice no change to the situation, please let us know and we will bring this matter up to their attention again.

[edteam]

Great job, Robertec.

The last time I patronised Sri Melor was on the night of Jan 1. with some friends. I'm afraid the toilet and food-serving areas, plus the overall floor condition and the kerb looked oily and dirty.

I wish others who patronise Sri Melot at USJ17 could share you feedback.

Jeff Ooi & EdTeam

[Beethoven]

After so many days, from 2003 to 2004 now, just wonder what decisions have been made by MPSJ for closure of Jln Usaha from the highway ?
The number of vehicles passing this road are almost reaching the peak, why is MPSJ still holding on ?
I hope to hear any updates from people like Umadavid, Anthony Ng, Ohm, Pcyeoh or any one who manageged to get involve in the committee or meetings, thank you very much.

[pcyeoh]

In this area, OHM and Robert will be the best person to update all of us here. It is better that they be the official source of information. But all are most welcome to put forth their comments/view here freely so that if a resolution is found, at least all views have been taken into consideration. This is not the case of majority wins. It is a case of what makes better sense and not sens or many would like to refer to it as ringgit.

[robertec]

I have been made to understand this day, that a confirmation of the date when all parties involved in this matter will meet, will be finalised next week through MPSJ.

In the meantime, a signature campaign is on going in USJ12, USJ16, USJ17 and USJ18. If you live in these areas give your fellow neighbours your full support by putting pen to paper.

[robertec]

There was suppose to have been a meeting at MPSJ on the issue on the morning of

Thursday, 29th January 2004

It was cancelled at the last minute as most parties could not attend because of the Hari Raya Haji holidays (or so it was indicated).

We are now awaiting a new meeting date.

Hopefully, we do not have to wait too long.

[jeffooi]

After studying the config, just need to be mindful that the
morning rush-hour traffic from outside USJ 12, 16, 17, 18 using
Jalan Usaha to route to Shah Alam, Puchong, Elite/NKVE and to
Elite/KLIA, respectively, will likely remain.

It's only the reverse traffic in the evening that may be regulated
more efficiently.

Hence, the tight killer junction at Jalan USJ 17/1 may require
respectful observation by the road users with sufficient road
signs.

MPSJ and the JKP may plan well, but the acid test lies in the
real execution.

The 26-hour trial last time ended up in heightened blood veins
because of poor execution.

[Beethoven]

Yes, the traffic out to the Puchong Highway from Jln Tujuan has caused the USJ 12, 16 & 17 residents difficult to turn right to Jln Usaha, cars queue up bumper to bumper in the morning.
The other way round traffic caused even more problems: dangerous turning at the junction from Sri Tanjung, accident hot spot at the junction btw USJ 16 & 17, speeding after the slope across the gas pipeline towards USJ 12 (going down slope), noise & dust pollution, etc etc...
What i wish for this Valentine is to block off the traffic between USJ 12 & USJ 16, no vehicles can go through the gas pipeline slope, make it a place for skateboard ground, by then the squirrels & birds & butterflies will come back... settle everything once & for all, how nice !
Happy Valentine's Day, may my wish come true....... : >

[robertec]

Work on Proposal B under the Comprehensive alignment of traffic in JKP Zon3 was to have started today. Take a closer look at this proposal http://www.nwatch.net.my/page.cfm?name=planb

<p align=center>http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/ACF323A.jpg</p>

We understand that a petition was sent to MPSJ yesterday to stop work, this petition was signed by some Commercial concerns in USJ16 and USJ17 and a number of residents from Sri Tanjung.

The reason for their objection? The opening into the LDP is not safe so they do not want it. It is right and just to be safety conscious, so are we to assume that if it were made safe it will be accepted?

As a consequence of this petition, Proposal E under the same plan i.e. the widening of the USJ20 exit out to Jalan Kewajipan has also been halted. Take a closer look at this proposal http://www.nwatch.net.my/page.cfm?name=plane

<p align=center>http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/PlanE20.jpg </p>

What an injustice to the residents of USJ20 & USJ22.

[jeffooi]

The impression I get is that the Commrrcial operators fear the
next step after the completion of the access road from the
Pangsapuri USJ16 to LDP - they tuly fear the closure to traffic into
Jalan Usaha from Shah Alam.

This reduces the customer traffic into Caltex, Seri Melur etc.

If the recalcitrant commercial operators insist on 'protecting' their
self-interest, what should we consumers do while the
Committee's original action plan in being activated?

Suggestion?

[mmouse]

what else... as I said before, boycott - might not be complete boycott but if each of us can consciously keep purchases from these business owners to the minimum, it makes a lot of difference to their profitability as I believe majority of their customers are still residents in USJ12, 16, 17, 18 and 20.

[pcyeoh]

This is where we need CASSA to re channel its focus on TESCO to those commercial outlets at USJ 16 and 17 who are objecting to the partial closer of this road due to their self interest. We will be fair as only those who objected will pay the price. In the first place the commercial outlet presence here is to serve this community. If they are meant to serve a larger community, we can expect not only the road to be wider but the shoplots to have a wider facade and larger premise like those in Taipan and Subang Business Centre. I don't mind dropping my differences with CASSA and join their bandwagon for this campaign so that we walk the talk. Meantime, we shall hold our horses and asses until things become more crystallised.

[robertec]

I have been reliably informed that the contractors have started work on Proposal B as of today.

Proposal B is the opening of the New Entrance and Exit into Jalan Puchong for the Residents of Sri Tanjung. http://www.nwatch.net.my/page.cfm?name=planb

Looks like some sanity has finally prevailed.

[robertec]

It has been a few days since I drove pass the proposed “opening”.

Maybe some Residents in USJ16 would like to update us on the actual progress or lack of.

[pcyeoh]

This is your reporter reporting. I was on leave yesterday so together with Chris Fletcher ( a resident living along Jalan Usaha) we went on site and spoke to the site manager. Work has been progressing very well. They are now building the outgoing road. I was told that at the last 100 meters, there will be three lanes - the left will turn left towards USJ 16 and will have a free flow. The middle one will head out to Jalan HICOM-PUCHONG and here they have to be wary of those coming in from Jalan Usaha and turning right at the "Rothman Corner" to the flats. The third one is for traffic coming in from Jalan HICOM-PUCHONG and heading towards the Sri Tanjung Flats. The tricky point here is there is no physical barrier to prevent assholes coming in from Jalan HICOM-Puchong from turning RIGHT and head out to Jalan Usaha when Phase 2 closes up Jalan Usaha to all traffic coming in from Jalan HICOM-PUCHONG. The contractor will hand over the completed project to MPSJ on 16th April 2004. Meantime I understand the flat dwellers are all looking forward to this opening as it will shorten their journey and the best part of this is NO TOLL. Since there is no toll, I can't invite our Datuk Seri Samy Vellu to open this stretch, can I?? I have some digital shots of the work here and hopefully I can get Jeff to upload them here for me.

[JoeJaffar]

What, no toll? I thought new roads mean new toll booths.

[robertec]

On 11/04/2004 work started on Proposal D, or should I say a modified version of the proposal.

Read more at:
http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?id=2087B7CF-8693-4BB4-97D414B44F4BEAC4

Proposal D is the widening of the USJ17/1 junction and the relocation of the entrance/exit into the commercial area.

http://www.nwatch.net.my/images/nwatch/setup/ACF3240.jpg

In the meantime, Proposal B, the opening of a new entrance and exit into Jalan Puchong for residents of Sri Tanjung is progressing.

[Beethoven]

agree with pcyeoh, if the new entrance from Puchong-Hicom into Sri Tanjung still allow the right turn into Jln Usaha, then it will back to square one ! It should reach the flats straight with no u-turn, so that all the culprits won't take this as short cut again, as the road leads to the flats is very long, it meant for the residents to go home, not for short-cut drivers !