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opulant
18-06-2018, 09:20 AM
I found the layout of new condo is getting smaller and some even scrap the idea of bigger unit..

I went to two new sales offices on weekend Ė Puchong and Sunway, canít find anything more than 1800 sqft !!

The one in Puchong sucks big time, due to the density of units and multiple numbers of block. All units are tiny sparrow hole (not fit as pigeon hole) with layout size of 650 sqft to 1400 sqft. Selling price is around RM690 per sqft. It is sad to see people have to pay so much for shithole livingÖ.

The one in Sunway is much better, only one exclusive block, around RM880 per sqft. The biggest unit is 1770 sqft but due to the layout of 4+1 rooms and 3 bathrooms, the bedroom size and the living hall are small. Canít even put a upright piano in the living hall, donít even think of grand pianoÖ and difficult to squeeze a 2 seater couch or an armchair into the master bedroom. Master bathroom is the usual shower enclosure, not enough space for ceramic bathtub. Wonder who the f would spend RM1.6 million and live in such a confined space !!

10 years ago, still can find big units like 2500 sqft but it is rare now. I guess it is supply and demand Ė smaller units yield better ROI for those wo buy for investment.. and also higher demand from younger buyers.

tupai
18-06-2018, 03:11 PM
in Phuket & Samui, many 33sq m condo apartments are selling well. Min Baht 3,000,000 with just a pool or mountain view. Anything with seaview is 7mill up!
In Melbourne, CBD 50sq m is common and priced from AUD500K up...
In Berlin, 30sq m high rise apartments are sprouting up like mushroom and even those in red light district are priced at €200K up!

If only Kuantan sea side property do not have the friggin Lynas and bauxite mining overhanging cloud....*sigh*

opulant
18-06-2018, 03:30 PM
in Phuket & Samui, many 33sq m condo apartments are selling well. Min Baht 3,000,000 with just a pool or mountain view. Anything with seaview is 7mill up!
In Melbourne, CBD 50sq m is common and priced from AUD500K up...
In Berlin, 30sq m high rise apartments are sprouting up like mushroom and even those in red light district are priced at €200K up!

If only Kuantan sea side property do not have the friggin Lynas and bauxite mining overhanging cloud....*sigh*


I am talking about malaisia...

30 sqm is about 310 sqft, 50 sqm is less than 540 sqft. All these sparrow holes are NOT for human lah..

cskok8
18-06-2018, 04:16 PM
I am talking about malaisia...

30 sqm is about 310 sqft, 50 sqm is less than 540 sqft. All these sparrow holes are NOT for human lah..

In that case there are very few hoomans in Hong Kong

opulant
18-06-2018, 05:13 PM
In that case there are very few hoomans in Hong Kong

Too bad... they were born there.

Same same apply to those in Shanghai... most are having shithole living due to the scarcity of land.

Btw, even in places where land is dirt cheap like in the wild wild mid-west of somewhere, life can be shithole also. It was reported recently that more than 60% of American cannot afford to come out with emercency fund of USD1000 !!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

opulant
19-06-2018, 07:51 AM
.....If only Kuantan sea side property do not have the friggin Lynas and bauxite mining overhanging cloud....*sigh*

Toxicity level in klang valley from CO2, CO, NOx, benzene, sulfur, etc etc are as bad as those shits from lynas, bauxite or rare earth...

It is the zero-existence of well-run G&G properties in these coastal towns (not just east coast, west coast of peninsula included) that is the problem.

Otherwise, I would have been living in an elevated hut with sea view at malacca or port dickson looong time ago...


p/s : I prefer malacca and port dickson as it is only 1 to 1.5 hours to kl. Penang is just too freaking far

Naka
19-06-2018, 02:13 PM
A small condo/apartment in Sheung Wan, Hong Kong of 1,100 sf is HKD15 millions or about RM6,900 psf

A small apartment near Thames River, London of about 825 sf is about £800,000.00 or RM4,800 psf

A small apartment, Perth of 1500 sf is about RM1,000 psf

But it is like RM700 psf in KL.


Seriously, buy buy buy if not for you but your grandchildren or great grandchildren.

opulant
19-06-2018, 07:02 PM
It is not about the property price, it is about the layout design of the property.

For example, a 1700 sqft condo should not design with 4 bedrooms, let alone with 4 bedrooms + 1 study room !! Once the bedroom size is reduced by increasing the numbers of room, this is shithole living relative to the money paid.

This also impact the overall dimension of the living hall which becomes very restricted. As a result, there is no dining hall. Dining space is a part of living hall now, just like those pathetic linked-houses in USJ.

When I told them about condo with a separate dining hall, and the dining hall comes with windows, they are like a lost amazon tribe who saw a TV first time !!

Naka
19-06-2018, 08:35 PM
That is your requirement but others with bigger families think it's perfect.

The smallest room can be allocated to a maid.

Alternatively, you can always reduce it to a 3 room --condo with a bit of renovation

opulant
20-06-2018, 07:19 AM
That is your requirement but others with bigger families think it's perfect..

Although they will be few who find such layout ideal for their family but from my experience living in condo in the past 30 years in malaysia and overseas, I know condo is not for big familiy especially in Malaysia. It is unlikely people here will spend an amount of money for a condo which can buy a big linked house or a semi-D to cater for their big family.

The reason for more rooms is only one - when smaller unit like 1300 or 1500 sqft comes with 3 rooms, people expect bigger unit like 1700 sqft should have more rooms than the smaller unit or else it is difficult to sell..




..Alternatively, you can always reduce it to a 3 room --condo with a bit of renovation

No ... master bedroom is always designed to share wall with living hall, other smaller rooms would be located at the back. As such, it is impossible to enlarge the master bedroom, only possible to combine the smaller rooms into one room by removing the wall in between the smaller rooms.

This won't change the size of the master bedroom and the living hall.

Naka
20-06-2018, 10:16 AM
There many people who buy condos to rent out, so more rooms maybe an advantage & easier to rent out.

I do not think there are strict rules on the design of Master bedrooms.

Henry T
20-06-2018, 11:03 AM
It must be a Malaysian thing. You will notice the first question prospective buyers will ask is how many bedrooms. They just want more bedrooms. :D

Property developers want to make the price affordable. With the current per sq ft price being what it is they reduce the overall size. And since people like more bedrooms they squeeze in one more than necessary.

In my discussions on residential properties, with family and friends, I have always said that there is plenty of land in Malaysia. All residential properties should be at least 1.5 times the present size. That would be comfortable living. :)


Note:
1) Property prices only sky-rocketed from late 2009/early 2010.
2) The RM started its slippery slide downwards from April 2015.

tupai
20-06-2018, 11:16 AM
Toxicity level in klang valley from CO2, CO, NOx, benzene, sulfur, etc etc are as bad as those shits from lynas, bauxite or rare earth...

It is the zero-existence of well-run G&G properties in these coastal towns (not just east coast, west coast of peninsula included) that is the problem.

Otherwise, I would have been living in an elevated hut with sea view at malacca or port dickson looong time ago...


p/s : I prefer malacca and port dickson as it is only 1 to 1.5 hours to kl. Penang is just too freaking far



SOKONG! East coast Kuantan sans Lynas & Bauxite would be ideal...BTW, the condo project near BatuHitam/Gebeng just texted me and they have lucky draw to win a Proton (?) plus they reduced deposit to a measly rm1000....Nope! I ain't biting! Y would I wanna be so lucky to win a proton?
Jokers in there don't even understand the potential customers' psychography. Seriously, buy an aprtment unit and qualify in a lucky draw to win a proton?

opulant
20-06-2018, 01:41 PM
..I do not think there are strict rules on the design of Master bedrooms.

It's not about strict rules...

The layout is always designed to give the best view/direction to living hall and master bedroom. Hence, the window and/or balcony of master bedroom is always the same direction with the balcony of living hall - for north/south direction and facing the better view.

Due to this layout arrangement, the master bedroom has to share a wall with living hall that separate them and thus not possible to enlarge the master bedroom without affecting/reducing the living hall..

Naka
20-06-2018, 02:31 PM
Some Master Bedrooms are at the front of the house while some are right at the back of the house.

Please explain this

opulant
20-06-2018, 02:51 PM
Some Master Bedrooms are at the front of the house while some are right at the back of the house.


Do you have pictures of such condo ??

Naka
20-06-2018, 03:00 PM
Do you have pictures of such condo ??

No, but I had seen some.

opulant
20-06-2018, 03:05 PM
No, but I had seen some.

Did you see these type of condo with backside master bedroom in Malaysia ??

opulant
20-06-2018, 03:23 PM
It must be a Malaysian thing. You will notice the first question prospective buyers will ask is how many bedrooms. They just want more bedrooms. :D

Property developers want to make the price affordable. With the current per sq ft price being what it is they reduce the overall size. And since people like more bedrooms they squeeze in one more than necessary.

Yup.. it's the demand that created such supply.

Taking into consideration the expensive money the purchaser paid, it is really funny to see the small size of such rooms. For instance, the master bedroom of a small unit (1100 sqft ) is not installed with satelite tv point because the dimension of the room is not conducive to watch tv comfortably !!

Some of the smaller bathrooms don't have windows. Suction fan is installed at the ceiling to maintain humidity and ventilation of the bathrooms !!

opulant
20-06-2018, 05:03 PM
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1809/42197521354_b806b1021d_c.jpg

This is a layout of a condo unit more than 10 years ago, and is a relatively small unit about 1900 sqft, only 3 rooms with 3 bathrooms

Look at the size of the living hall. It starts from the moment you step in thru the entrance foyer all the way to the balcony. The “Family” section is just illustration, there is no wall that separate this section from the living area. Because the living hall is so huge, the idea of the “Family” area comes out as a 2nd living hall for the family.

Look at the windows of the independent dining hall. 2 sets of the window are having the same direction with the balcony and another 3 sets of window are having the same direction of yard.

All bedrooms including the smallest room are having multiple sets of windows with different direction, and all bathrooms come with windows.

Lastly, take note of the layout orientation of master bedroom and living hall which are designed to face the same direction - the balcony of living hall and the big windows (4 sets of them) from master bedroom are facing the outside open area.

Naka
20-06-2018, 05:16 PM
How come you are comparing a 1,900 SF condo to a 1,400 sf condo and expect them to be the same?

opulant
20-06-2018, 05:23 PM
How come you are comparing a 1,900 SF condo to a 1,400 sf condo and expect them to be the same?

How come you have this idea that I'm comparing a 1900 sqft condo with a 1400 sqft condo ??

I'm showing an example of old condo layout that although it is relatively big compares with current condo but there aren't many rooms inside and hence the living hall and rooms are spacious..

Naka
20-06-2018, 05:28 PM
If you want a spacious living hall, then do away that Wet Kichen.

Let the kitchen faces directly into dining table, TV etc

opulant
20-06-2018, 05:29 PM
If you want a spacious living hall, then do away that Wet Kichen.

???

Maybe you should read post #20, 2nd paragraph again.

jan tomaswaki
21-06-2018, 08:46 AM
Some Master Bedrooms are at the front of the house while some are right at the back of the house.

Please explain this

during the ancient times , emperors in China always sleep at the back of the house ,reason is when a robber enter the house which room will they go in first, the masterroom but the emperor sleeps at the back, most probably the emperor will escape.

Naka
21-06-2018, 10:28 AM
Some people call it condo while some call it apartment.

Tell me the difference.

Are we talking the same subject?

opulant
21-06-2018, 10:42 AM
Some people call it condo while some call it apartment.

Tell me the difference.

Are we talking the same subject?

If you still don't know what is the subject of this thread and you need me to tell you the difference between condo and apartment, I suggest you don't post in this thread...

Naka
21-06-2018, 10:47 AM
If you still don't know what is the subject of this thread and you need me to tell you the difference between condo and apartment, I suggest you don't post in this thread...

I say, hold your horse, maybe you let others define condo and apartment.

Maybe you can enlighten me for I am not sure.

opulant
21-06-2018, 10:54 AM
If you want a spacious living hall, then do away that Wet Kichen.



???

Maybe you should read post #20, 2nd paragraph again.


From the question you asked (one of the examples is quoted above), I doubt you know what are you talking about...

Naka
21-06-2018, 10:58 AM
From the question you asked (one of the examples is quoted above), I doubt you know what are you talking about...

Ok, maybe I do not know, it's ok. It's fine with me.

Why don't you define condo and apartment.

I am learning.

opulant
21-06-2018, 11:04 AM
during the ancient times , emperors in China always sleep at the back of the house ,reason is when a robber enter the house which room will they go in first, the masterroom but the emperor sleeps at the back, most probably the emperor will escape.

Really Jan ??

1. Robbers can just enter the palace ?? :eek:

2. The emperor got only ONE house ?? :confused: (I used "house" as suggested by you, not palace)

3. The emperor needs to escape when there is a robbery ?? You mean he has no guard or soldier to take care of his safety ?? He has to run for his life ?? :eek: :eek:

Seriously and honestly, I am 200% sure you can rewrite the history of ancient China if you are able to provide clue on (1), (2) and (3)



Btw, the last time I checked the the size of The Forbidden City covers an area of about 72 hectares (180 acres) with a total floor space of approximately 150,000 square meters (1,600,000 square feet). It consists of more than 90 palaces, 980 buildings and over 8,728 rooms.

opulant
21-06-2018, 11:24 AM
Ok, maybe I do not know, it's ok. It's fine with me.

Why don't you define condo and apartment.

I am learning.


Traditionally in malaysia , it is called apartment.

However, when apartments were built with facilities such as swimming pools, gymnasium, tennis court, etc, people wanted to differentiate apartment as without facilities and condominiums are with facilities.

There is no official demarcation in terms of the building size, price and location but a clear line is drawn whether the apartment/condo is commercial or residential by the Housing Act.

I

jan tomaswaki
21-06-2018, 12:49 PM
Even nowadays my brother and sister all sleep at the back room which is extended instead of master room.Logic? You should look at Bukit Utama condo measuring 2K plus sq/ft. Very conducive,secluded and windy . It's a 5+1 rooms with balcony selling about RM1.5M . We have a family house there renting out for RM2K when during good time was RM4K.Interested?

Naka
21-06-2018, 12:54 PM
Traditionally in malaysia , it is called apartment.

However, when apartments were built with facilities such as swimming pools, gymnasium, tennis court, etc, people wanted to differentiate apartment as without facilities and condominiums are with facilities.

There is no official demarcation in terms of the building size, price and location but a clear line is drawn whether the apartment/condo is commercial or residential by the Housing Act.

I

Noted with thanks.

Please amplify what is commercial apartment and condo?

opulant
21-06-2018, 02:08 PM
..
Please amplify what is commercial apartment and condo?

It all starts from the land.

If the high-rise property is built on residential land, the property is a residential condominium. The property is governed under the Housing Development Act. This means the Sales & Purchase agreement is a standard agreement drafted by the Ministry. Developers have to comply with the rules which include standard completion/delivery time and have to pay compensation to purchasers if late delivery, etc.

When condo is built on land which is not for residential purpose, the Housing Development Act is not applicable. This means the Sales & Purchase Agreement is a privately drafted agreement between purchaser and developer. Any breach of contract can only be pursued by civil lawsuit. Also, commercial condo has to pay everything according to commercial rate, not household rate. This include water, electricity, quit rent, assessment fee, etc.

opulant
21-06-2018, 02:16 PM
….You should look at Bukit Utama condo measuring 2K plus sq/ft. Very conducive,secluded and windy . It's a 5+1 rooms with balcony selling about RM1.5M . We have a family house there renting out for RM2K when during good time was RM4K.Interested?

I have been to the bukit Utama condo, it is very high dense.

I am looking for a new one from developer, around SJ or Sunway.

I don't need many rooms. My current unit comes with 3 bedrooms with extra one store room, slightly bigger than 2000 sqft. My current place is still good but interested to get a new unit that can at least match my current place..

There are such units that match my requirements around this area but it is from sub-sale.

Naka
21-06-2018, 02:23 PM
It all starts from the land.

If the high-rise property is built on residential land, the property is a residential condominium. The property is governed under the Housing Development Act. This means the Sales & Purchase agreement is a standard agreement drafted by the Ministry. Developers have to comply with the rules which include standard completion/delivery time and have to pay compensation to purchasers if late delivery, etc.

When condo is built on land which is not for residential purpose, the Housing Development Act is not applicable. This means the Sales & Purchase Agreement is a privately drafted agreement between purchaser and developer. Any breach of contract can only be pursued by civil law sue. Also, commercial condo has to pay everything according to commercial rate, not household rate. This include water, electricity, quit rent, assessment fee, etc.

Wow, you must be doing part-time developing.

Naka
21-06-2018, 02:24 PM
Do you have a plan for that condo from your #1 post?

opulant
21-06-2018, 02:36 PM
Do you have a plan for that condo from your #1 post?


Yes.. I have the brochure which include the drawing plan but I don't think is a good idea to post here as it is a new project..

Henry T
21-06-2018, 02:37 PM
I have been to the bukit Utama condo, it is very high dense.

I am looking for a new one from developer, around SJ or Sunway.

I don't need many rooms. My current unit comes with 3 bedrooms with extra one store room, slightly bigger than 2000 sqft. My current place is still good but interested to get a new unit that can at least match my current place..

There are such units that match my requirements around this area but it is from sub-sale.

For your info.

3969

I am guessing these are unsold units with mandate given to a real estate agency to sell.

opulant
21-06-2018, 02:38 PM
Wow, you must be doing part-time developing.

Because I live in condo and I did buy for investment/ hedging so far....

opulant
21-06-2018, 02:43 PM
For your info.

3969

I am guessing these are unsold units with mandate given to a real estate agency to sell.

I think this condo had long past the defect liability period.

Naka
21-06-2018, 02:48 PM
Yes.. I have the brochure which include the drawing plan but I don't think is a good idea to post here as it is a new project..

Someone sent me earlier but it is deleted

jan tomaswaki
22-06-2018, 08:32 AM
Someone sent me earlier but it is deleted

Condos aside, Naka ,you are not fine dining anynore? Never see you post in the makan section? Diet ka ?

Naka
22-06-2018, 08:44 AM
Condos aside, Naka ,you are not fine dining anynore? Never see you post in the makan section? Diet ka ?

Hahahaha, plenty of foods photos but lazy to post.

Naka
22-06-2018, 09:01 AM
Coming back to the size of the shrinking condos, so far there are already micro condos around, some as small as 280 SF.

Developers have no choice but to keep shrinking the sizes to meet consumer budgets and bite-sized investor appetite. This have been going on in the last decade.

In most Asian countries, you can only see Dry Kitchens even in condos of 1,100 sf size.

Wet Kitchens are considered a luxury.

opulant
22-06-2018, 09:38 AM
Yes.. it is the same over here but so far it is only at CBD, downtown.

Most are the studio apartment with only one room with less than 500 sqft. The hall combines everything - living, kitchen and dining !! Since it is located in KL, most are commercial units.

I am ok if developer build smaller units to cater for the majority demand but it seems nowadays they don't build big units at all. Last time, a 30 storeys condo, normally the 1st 20 storeys are the small and medium size units and then the remaining higher levels are bigger units.

Henry T
22-06-2018, 09:43 AM
Coming back to the size of the shrinking condos, so far there are already micro condos around, some as small as 280 SF.

Developers have no choice but to keep shrinking the sizes to meet consumer budgets and bite-sized investor appetite. This have been going on in the last decade.

In most Asian countries, you can only see Dry Kitchens even in condos of 1,100 sf size.

Wet Kitchens are considered a luxury.

Not only micro in size but also high density.

Here is one:
http://www.setiaalam.com.my/trefoil.aspx

I remember One City USJ also launched one some 2 - 3 years ago. Size 400 and 500 sq ft per unit with delivery in 5 years. There is a podium of a few storeys, for a shopping mall I suppose. :)

opulant
22-06-2018, 09:47 AM
The old condo design also has its layout limitation. I think it is again the demand and supply.

I think people last time fancy a BIG living hall and as such, the kitchen size is not a place they pay attention.

I have lived in a 2500sqft condo down south with 3 bedrooms and 1 reading room. The reading room is a purpose-bulit reading room. It has a balcony with sea view, just like master bedroom. All bedrooms come with attached bathrooms.

The living hall is so big that you feel lazy and tired to walk to the kitchen. With a build-up area of 2500 sqft, the kitchen size is a shame. It cannot cater for an island kitchen, only a L shape kitchen.

opulant
22-06-2018, 10:21 AM
..Here is one:
http://www.setiaalam.com.my/trefoil.aspx..


There is a relatively new condo project by the same developer, right in front of Trefoil.

I actually placed a booking deposit during their "soft launch". But after 2 months, they still did not start the signing of SPA, I canceled the booking.



Before an official launch [official means all neccessary approvals like advertising permit and local council approval are ready], developer cannot take your money. The booking deposit is to give purchaser the priority to choose unit once the project is officially launched. They cannot deposit the cheque before official launch.

Once the project is officially launched, the mandatory completion period as stipulated by the Housing Act starts ticking with the signing of SPA. In other words, even the developer only manage to sell 10% of all the units, they are still responsible by law to complete the whole project within the mandatory completion period. Developer normally will test the market by introducing "soft launch " to gauge the market response.