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Jennylim
13-05-2015, 01:42 PM
Islanders here expressed shock and uneasiness over Monday morning�s landings by 1,158 foreigners

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/05/13/Langkawi-residents-uneasy-over-sudden-influx-of-illegals/

A villager was appalled on how such a large number of illegal immigrants could enter the country undetected.

While Jakarta tows migrants out of sea

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Regional/2015/05/13/Jakarta-tows-migrants-out-to-sea-Navy-sends-boat-with-Myanmars-and-Bangladeshis-out-of-Indonesian-t/

People has to "take over" government's responsibility.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/05/07/Sabah-resort-security/

Jennylim
13-05-2015, 01:51 PM
Those responsible are not aware of who is coming neither they knew who has gone missing until it was too late.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-03-27/malaysian-radar-spotlighted-new-mh370-report

cml
13-05-2015, 02:08 PM
Actually why should anyone be surprised. There are so many illegals everywhere. It is just that this group got caught or were abandoned by their snake heads.

aursong
13-05-2015, 02:09 PM
There's nothing "sudden" about influx of illegals... :D :rolleyes:

Bunch of guys with weapon some more did that not long ago...

Naka
13-05-2015, 04:05 PM
You are talking of 1,158 foreigners only.:rolleyes:

In Sabah, we talked in the hundreds of thousands.:mad:

In Western Australia, they kept coming till the current Government stops it.

Muslims flooding into Australia by illegal boat entry:- 40,000 of them.


http://australian-news.net/articles/view.php?id=130

bslee
13-05-2015, 04:57 PM
There's nothing "sudden" about influx of illegals... :D :rolleyes:
Bunch of guys with weapon some more did that not long ago...

This time its PENINSULA Malaysia to kena this problem. Its a very unfortunate event, already so with so much of internal problems, now this.
Anyone recall those in the 70's when Vietnamese refugees lari from their country to here? I think this event is more frightening.

Naka
13-05-2015, 05:21 PM
There's nothing "sudden" about influx of illegals... :D :rolleyes:

Bunch of guys with weapon some more did that not long ago...

People forget very quickly.

That event happened in the East Coast of Sabah where a local Police man was killed.

Until now there is curfew in the evenings.

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Sabah- Another kidnapped

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?37387-Kidnap-Zone-of-Sabah

Henry T
13-05-2015, 05:28 PM
Now we are experiencing the same problem as the Europeans with refugees from North Africa coming across the Mediterranean Sea.

Greenwich
13-05-2015, 06:19 PM
Well, the Bangladeshi and the Rohingya from Burma are muslim brothers and sisters. I thought the people here like those from perkasa , isma and dummo will welcome them with open arms, just like the way they welcomed the musilim brothers and sisters from Bosnia in the 90s...?? ;)

Challenger
14-05-2015, 10:30 AM
Very strange. Where's Saudi Arabia, UAEs (7 of them), Qatar, Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt and other Arabian countries to help their fellow Muslims? I actually think these immigrants should sail towards the Arabian peninsular, not towards Australia. The Australian way of life will not fit into these immigrants' religious belief and it is better for them to seek refuge in the Arabian countries which share their religious belief.

I really want to see how these Arabian countries (particularly rich Saudi, UAEs and Kuwait) will treat these immigrants.

cml
14-05-2015, 12:13 PM
I think if the necessary payments are made they will get into our system officially. These are probably those that did not pay so they are termed as refugees. They would not be accepted in those brother countries

Jennylim
23-05-2015, 11:01 PM
So, the ministry in charge was not aware of the arrival of illegal immigrants and the militants until they have landed.

Does the ministry knew who are these people that have been placed at camp!!!

Apparently Indonesia knew who they have "rescue!"
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/world/article/indonesia-says-most-migrants-at-sea-illegal-bangladeshi-workers-not-rohingy

Jennylim
23-05-2015, 11:16 PM
And Myanmar said those boat people they save are Bangladeshis

http://www.myanmarnews.net/index.php/sid/233118365

Naka
24-05-2015, 03:57 AM
Swap places with boat people.:D

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/unlce-cle/IMG-20150523-boat%20ppl.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/unlce-cle/media/IMG-20150523-boat%20ppl.jpg.html)

Challenger
24-05-2015, 08:53 AM
Swap places with boat people.:D

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/unlce-cle/IMG-20150523-boat%20ppl.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/unlce-cle/media/IMG-20150523-boat%20ppl.jpg.html)

This guy is brilliant.

ng
24-05-2015, 12:47 PM
Well, the Bangladeshi and the Rohingya from Burma are muslim brothers and sisters. I thought the people here like those from perkasa , isma and dummo will welcome them with open arms, just like the way they welcomed the musilim brothers and sisters from Bosnia in the 90s...?? ;)

Rohingya are actually originally from Bangladesh too, so they are the same in terms of race and religion.

Greenwich
24-05-2015, 01:38 PM
Rohingya are actually originally from Bangladesh too, so they are the same in terms of race and religion.

I know.. and blame it on the British on why and how the Rohinyas ended in Burma..

bslee
24-05-2015, 03:10 PM
I know.. and blame it on the British on why and how the Rohinyas ended in Burma..

I blame the government of the day. British colonial power ended long long ago. Its not about 20 years ago, its like half century or more and tell me what the F governments of the day have been doing all the while. They chose for self governance and rule their own people and the best interest of its land and citizens, I think its all bollocks and many are failed governments that have a bad track record of non-delivery, just like ours. If they cannot deliver then might as well revert to colonial rule, at least most of the people could be happier, only a small number of "nationalists" and such rebels wanna pick hellava fight in the name of nationalism.
Look at India..lots of them migrate to UK, can even speak Cockney and live like Brits..tell me they're nationalists in mind? Nahh! its about survival and their former colonial master's land can offer better future than homeland. Same with numerous colonies which many migrants see a better future migrating even if at one time their master was so hated. Actually its a small number of activists and rebels that incite hatred and rebel. Numerous former Indonesians reside in Holland. Anneke Gronloh?
Back to illegal migrants. I think all those governments should be held responsible and accountable to solve the blardi problem.

Greenwich
24-05-2015, 08:40 PM
.. and blame it on the British on why and how the Rohinyas ended in Burma..


bslee, a bit of history of how and why Rohingya ended in Burma..


The Rohingya are a Muslim minority population living mainly in the state of Arakan, western Burma. Although approximately one million Rohingya live in Burma, and apparently their ancestors were in the country for centuries, the Burmese government does not recognize Rohingya people as citizens.

In 1785, Buddhist Burmese from the south of the country conquered Arakan. They drove out or executed all of the Muslim Rohingya they could find; some 35,000 of Arakan's people likely fled into Bengal in India. As of 1826, the British took control of Arakan after the First Anglo-Burmese War (1824-26). They encouraged farmers from Bengal to move to the depopulated area of Arakan, both Rohingyas originally from the area and native Bengalis. The sudden influx of immigrants from British India sparked a strong reaction from the mostly-Buddhist Rakhine people living in Arakan at the time, sowing the seeds of ethnic tension that remain to this day.

When World War II broke out, Britain abandoned Arakan in the face of Japanese expansion into Southeast Asia. In the chaos of Britain's withdrawal, both Muslim and Buddhist forces took the opportunity to inflict massacres on one another. Tens of thousands of Arakanese Rohingyas once again fled back to Bengal.

Between the end of World War II, the Rohingyas advocated for a separate Rohingya nation in Arakan. When the military junta took power in Yangon, it cracked down hard on Rohingyas separatists and civilians. It also denied Burmese citizenship to the Rohingya people, defining them instead as stateless Bengalis.

cml
26-05-2015, 04:26 PM
Actually the colonials were responsible for many of todays ills. their policy of divide and rule have effectively made a country into many little countries and when they left they left it to them to find a balance in living with each other. they pat their back and left after taking /pillaging the country for what it is worth.

cml
26-05-2015, 04:30 PM
Those from bangladesh are economic migrants and even their own country do not want them back. they should all be sent back. just like if we cannot cari makan over here, do we expect other countries to accept us just because we cannot cari makan. of course if we have skills they would but by and large they are unskilled so it is not our problem nor do we have to accept them in our country as our own resources have been whacked by our own kind already. so for us to shelter them i dont think thats fair. the resettlement process will take years and years and who is going to foot the bill?

aursong
26-05-2015, 05:11 PM
I watched a documentary on this before...
Definitely worst than some we have in our country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashin_Wirathu

Just to share...

Henry T
26-05-2015, 05:13 PM
The plight of the Rohingyas reminds me of the Kurds of Iraq. While the Rohingyas are being persecuted by the Buddhist Government of Burma the Kurds were persecuted by fellow Muslims in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

For self interests the Western powers intervened and attacked Iraq, after which Kurdistan was created ~ a homeland for the Kurds. But I doubt there is ever going to be a Rohingyastan created from a part of Burmese territory.

Greenwich
26-05-2015, 06:09 PM
I watched a documentary on this before...
Definitely worst than some we have in our country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashin_Wirathu

Just to share...

That's why aung san suu kyi keeps quiet all the while of the plights of Rohingyas.

She needs the mainstream Buddhists support in the future general election. She has set her sights on one day ruling Burma. The entire Rohingya population hold no electoral power. It is poltically suicidal to speak out against the genocidal persecution of the Rohingya, she will lose her many votes among the Burmese Buddhist majority..

So much from a Nobel peace prize winner :rolleyes:

cml
27-05-2015, 10:33 AM
Thats the practical side coming out. just like which yumno politician would openly back a government based on meritocracy. Its political suicide.

Greenwich
27-05-2015, 11:56 AM
Talking about practical side, I have a feeling that the 1gomen changed its stand from rejecting the Rohingyas at the sea to accepting them temporarily might have something to do with ____.. !! ;)

The US State Department has downgraded Malaysia to the lowest ranking in its 2014 Trafficking in Persons (TiP) report, relagating to the same category as Zimbabwe, North Korea and Saudi Arabia.. !! The ranking might even obstruct the 1gomen from signing the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), after considered by the State Department to be far out of compliance with international standards on human trafficking.

bslee
27-05-2015, 12:38 PM
Actually the colonials were responsible for many of todays ills.
Yes and right on history lessons. The crux is we in this era cannot re-write or alter history and what happened. Colonists have washed their hands and they have nothing to do with it or blind to any accountability of its past. Hate or vengeful groups can seek justice till the cows come home, they will hardly succeed. e.g. WW2 atrocities, war crimes, colonial farkups of the past, comfort women in Korea, my grandpa, uncle murdered, property confiscated, etc.
The responsibility lie with the government of the day and those in power to decide what's good for its citizens, what's in the best interest of the country and at the same time be humane when there's issues to address.
I could blame the Myanmar regime for not taking any responsibility or dismissing these people who happen to be in their land and called it home. If say, if Malaysians flee away like what these Rohingyas are doing for obvious reasons, will other governments not hold Malaysian government accountable to address the issue?. Lets not guess what the reaction or response is, that's the aftermath of the tragedy, but it doesn't deter the fact that the ruling government is held accountable or responsible. That's my point.
I'm no idea what have happened to all those Vietnamese boat people who flee the country at a time when it was unstable and against communism, but its different now with a different government or regime and different stance. I'm guessing some who flee have returned to settle down and become happy citizens. Its what the government of the day can offer and assure, or forgive past events that they silently return and pledge loyalty to their homeland. I'm reckoning ASEAN, UN and other powers must intervene and insist Myanmar solve the issue. Maybe Philippines can offer one of their 7000 islands as a refuge center.

cml
27-05-2015, 01:01 PM
If everytime someone runs away from their country because they are poor then this problem is unsolvable. If they run away because of religious persecution or whatever reasons, there has to be an application process and not just take a boat ride and expect someone to take them. This is to be fair to the host country. in our case because we have been so 'welcoming'to some of them vide a special payment to someone then it becomes a problem, a big problem

bslee
27-05-2015, 01:25 PM
If everytime someone runs away from their country because they are poor then this problem is unsolvable. If they run away because of religious persecution or whatever reasons, there has to be an application process and not just take a boat ride and expect someone to take them. This is to be fair to the host country. in our case because we have been so 'welcoming'to some of them vide a special payment to someone then it becomes a problem, a big problem
Its happening in Africa too due to civil wars. Trouble is those failed countries have really failed and no will to stabilize even with pressure or light UN intervention. Its like a stalemate now. That is a bigger problem and root to consequences that the world bear witness. Sad but true.
Myanmar have been peaceful all the while, but this regime isn't accountable. Even sadder.

cml
27-05-2015, 04:55 PM
Surely they cannot expect the so called host country to supply resources to hold them because it against international laws to enter another country illegally. In our case the problem has been whitewashed because some people were making money out of it and until it became a problem which was too big to cover it blew up in their faces. But then again who is to say they are not aware of it. They have been issuing flat denial from way back when it was highlighted years ago and even recently they denied such camps ever existed.

Mat Bruce
28-05-2015, 05:52 PM
:laugh: more votes for BN , we all know Malaysianised Bangla supports BN

cml
29-05-2015, 10:07 AM
Its a money making scheme gone wrong .