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Mat Bruce
19-04-2015, 03:02 PM
I put some fishballs from fresh market into the freezer.
Couple of days later, use them for soup but they lose the bounce and very hard/brittle.
what happened? how to make them soft and bouncy again.

Naka
19-04-2015, 03:15 PM
Hard? Maybe not cook long enough.:D

bslee
19-04-2015, 08:38 PM
If u see the shop, they chill it or its in a bag of clean water, then soaked in cold water to maintain a constant temperature for a few days.
Einstein say..kenot freeze. Sure rosak wan!

BTW..sometimes this usj forum have the darndest questions..FISH BALLS pulak? What next? Ping Pong ball punctured, how to repair? Feng Thau! :mua-haha:

jan tomaswaki
19-04-2015, 08:51 PM
[QUOTE=bslee;592162
BTW..sometimes this usj forum have the darndest questions..FISH BALLS pulak? What next? Ping Pong ball punctured, how to repair? Feng Thau! :mua-haha:[/QUOTE]

Lee, recently you have been very active promoting home cook food and jimat here and there,sure ppl ask these question.Since Zing is still sleeping ,you take over.:heheheh:

Mat Bruce
19-04-2015, 09:09 PM
Need to spice things up in usj.com.my. Seriously, I try to cook at home, no MSG and to beat the GST-mah.

:heheheh:

bslee
20-04-2015, 12:23 AM
Lee, recently you have been very active promoting home cook food and jimat here and there,sure ppl ask these question.Since Zing is still sleeping ,you take over.:heheheh:

Hmmm.. I think you may not recognize the difference between "sharing and telling" (since this is an open forum as long as its not with malice) certain practices I have to follow for valid reasoning, AND a promotional exercise. There's a thick line between those 2. A promotion is to entice people to buy what you've to sell. I don't entice anyone. Of course what I practice could serve as some encouragement. Its up to any reader's own judgement, just the same as I share any DIY tips. I don't sell nor promote services. As someone implied, many are senior and can judge for themselves, and in this case its up to them in their spending habits, RM25/fried rice wouldn't affect me at all. As for Zing, I think it was clear he was promoting anti-MSG consumption and all know he's a restaurateur. Of course its a logical and good measure if one choose to follow what he promote or advise.

Sentinel
20-04-2015, 01:11 AM
So, WHY is it fishballs cannot be deep frozen?

Charbroiled
20-04-2015, 10:15 AM
I deep freeze fishballs and they turn out ok.

LMei
20-04-2015, 11:59 AM
So true. Some fishballs change texture after being frozen. Become like sponge. But there are some that turned out ok. Maybe type of ingredient used?

cml
20-04-2015, 01:52 PM
It has to do with the flour that was added on. I suggest that you let it be at room temperature before you cook it instead of directly from the freezer. Perhaps it might help

Mat Bruce
21-04-2015, 10:18 PM
It has to do with the flour that was added on. I suggest that you let it be at room temperature before you cook it instead of directly from the freezer. Perhaps it might help

yeah, help a bit if I defrost it properly but still like sponge. I buy fishballs in Australia, they are frozen in the supermarkets but when cooked, they are boucy. But our wet market parang fish balls looks very lovely but now I know you cannot deep freeze them. i just dump and made soup with them but cannot eat them now.

bslee
22-04-2015, 12:34 AM
If I'm not mistaken, soft tow foo when frozen will change texture and be spoiled. It won't be the same again even after full defrost or at room temperature. Deep Freeze isn't applicable for every type of food. There's a limit one can do to preserve it. Surely there's a scientific explanation for this.

Dervish
22-04-2015, 09:59 AM
I think it's the water element in the food. Water expands as it freezes, destroying the cell walls, making the food lose it's texture .... unless you circumvent that by freezing your food really cold, really fast, so the ice crystals don't form.

Just thinking aloud ....

bibimbap
22-04-2015, 10:07 AM
Maybe it is a good idea to ask our local hawkers how they "store" their fish balls ? After all, they must be doing something right :p

cml
22-04-2015, 11:01 AM
I think it is just like fruits. try to freeze a mango or orange. It will be spoilt after you take it out of the freezer.

Mat Bruce
22-04-2015, 10:12 PM
wow, very scientific..I think freezing spoil the cells

bslee
22-04-2015, 10:33 PM
wow, very scientific..I think freezing spoil the cells

Why not, most matters should have some scientific basis or explanation, except UFO's or some miracles.

Sentinel
23-04-2015, 12:55 AM
I think it is just like fruits. try to freeze a mango or orange. It will be spoilt after you take it out of the freezer.

Bananas turn black if you leave it in the fridge...

cml
23-04-2015, 01:30 PM
If it is not frozen , black bananas still can eat.

LMei
24-04-2015, 12:29 PM
If left in the fridge, the banana skin will turn black first. But inside still can eat. If I have leftover ripe bananas, I normally peel them and dump it in my freezer. Then I can use anytime for a yoghurt fruit smoothie with frozen bananas. Healthy ice-cream.

Mat Bruce
25-04-2015, 06:44 PM
If left in the fridge, the banana skin will turn black first. But inside still can eat. If I have leftover ripe bananas, I normally peel them and dump it in my freezer. Then I can use anytime for a yoghurt fruit smoothie with frozen bananas. Healthy ice-cream.

same here

Sentinel
26-04-2015, 01:47 AM
LMei & Mat Bruce: Mash it up and add flour and make Cucur Pisang or Kodok Pisang :) and brew a mug of Nescafe Blend 37....

lady-o-leisure
26-04-2015, 03:29 AM
I am no food technician but when you freeze fishballs, you hv to defrost them slowly in the fridge over a day or two until they become completely defrosted before you can cook them. That won't guarantee you the same texture as they were originally but pretty close. If you defrost them too quickly, the water content in the item separates from the solids. Same goes with frozen milk or juice.
I hv to contend with frozen fishballs here in SoCal, so i know what it is like. I don't live near major asian populated areas so i hv to deal with frozen or refrigerated fish and meat balls all the time. I even hv to deal with frozen daun pandan and serai, as well as curry leaves.

fRaNkY
27-04-2015, 03:50 PM
If my meat balls or fushou balls frozen, I would use water to slowly boil them in the water r soup. So far no issue.

ng
27-04-2015, 11:21 PM
I am no food technician but when you freeze fishballs, you hv to defrost them slowly in the fridge over a day or two until they become completely defrosted before you can cook them. .

What do you mean by defrost slowly in the fridge? Why can't we defrost in room temperature?

cskok8
28-04-2015, 11:27 AM
What do you mean by defrost slowly in the fridge? Why can't we defrost in room temperature?

That means take it out from the freezer much earlier (at least 24 hours); slowly let it thaw out in the fridge; then take it out into room temperature 1-2 hours before use.

Freezing and thawing biological products have a lot of science to it. They have even found a way to freeze blood for later use.

bslee
28-04-2015, 12:29 PM
Any frozen meat can be slowly defrosted within the fridge if time is no issue, unless you wanna cook in few hours then thaw it outside. Of course anything ready to cook when its fully thawed.
I hate it when whole chicken isn't fully thawed..it won't fully cook or roast properly.
As for fish balls..When I think of some dish..(especially one Nyonya dish) I buy, I cook a.s.a.p.. no freezing nonsense. I used to get mine from PJ Old town market, premium quality ones, packed in bag with water.

ng
28-04-2015, 12:59 PM
That means take it out from the freezer much earlier (at least 24 hours); slowly let it thaw out in the fridge; then take it out into room temperature 1-2 hours before use.

Freezing and thawing biological products have a lot of science to it. They have even found a way to freeze blood for later use.

So the trick is to slowly defrost and not quickly defrost?

bslee
28-04-2015, 05:02 PM
So the trick is to slowly defrost and not quickly defrost?
The key is to FULLY defrost. At very cold countries or winter..your slowly can be very very long.

Mat Bruce
28-04-2015, 10:01 PM
You buy a packet of fishballs, abt 20-30, I am the only one who eat fish balls in the family, so therefore I freeze them. Will try slow defrost.

ng
29-04-2015, 12:25 PM
The key is to FULLY defrost. At very cold countries or winter..your slowly can be very very long.

By the way, what's the best way to prolong banana life? If I leave it in the fridge, it turns black.

bslee
29-04-2015, 12:54 PM
By the way, what's the best way to prolong banana life? If I leave it in the fridge, it turns black.

Dunno...Buy, eat as fast as can as it ripens more in the open. I buy as and when needed..no prolonged storage nonsense, same with some other local fruits, luku, lambutan, liewlian, etc. Its just best savored when just ripe (or call it fresh to eat).

ng
29-04-2015, 01:43 PM
Dunno...Buy, eat as fast as can as it ripens more in the open. I buy as and when needed..no prolonged storage nonsense, same with some other local fruits, luku, lambutan, liewlian, etc. Its just best savored when just ripe (or call it fresh to eat).

My stomach is not big enough. I eat only one or two piece of banana per day. After a few days, it gets black.

bslee
29-04-2015, 05:49 PM
My stomach is not big enough. I eat only one or two piece of banana per day. After a few days, it gets black.
Within 4 days max lah..what makes you think I eat all at one go?.. besides I buy one particular type..not the huge ones. But then at one shot I can eat 3-4 pcs easily. They're small..just nice for some dessert.
This is why most comb of banana are picked when still look half green, by the time the shopper buys it is almost ripe and anticipated its enjoyed very soon after.
I also look for already ripe papaya, usually displayed outside the shop or at bargain price.. I buy small papaya..2 sittings...kau tim!..and it wasn't very expensive.

jan tomaswaki
29-04-2015, 07:58 PM
Lee,papaya is very expensive now,sometimes can go up to Rm3.50 per kilo.When I was young I plant a lot in my house and I eat them everyday ,yes everyday until few months ago.

bslee
29-04-2015, 08:06 PM
Lee,papaya is very expensive now,sometimes can go up to Rm3.50 per kilo.When I was young I plant a lot in my house and I eat them everyday ,yes everyday until few months ago.
Sometimes when its in abundance, it can go as low as 1.80/kg. Told you all its those at reduced prices outside the shop which are actually fully ripe and "must eat now or never"..so it works out not more than RM4 something per fruit. Its not a big one..just enough for 2 sittings. I can afford that. I may be poor but not a pauper.

P.S. Of course what is now cheap and on the price rise in Malaysia? Banana notes to spend. I still need some fruit to supplement my diet. I dare say or presume I already cut down a WHOLE LOT MORE than anyone here.

Naka
29-04-2015, 08:17 PM
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jan tomaswaki
29-04-2015, 08:21 PM
last time I bought from SJ market,cut papaya nicely pack but take home ....all rotten inside.#%^*+ег€. Cunning fruit sellers#%^+*

Naka
30-04-2015, 08:02 AM
By the way, what's the best way to prolong banana life? If I leave it in the fridge, it turns black.

Off-Topic

I never leave it in a fridge, just eat them & when black, chuck them away

LMei
30-04-2015, 12:41 PM
My stomach is not big enough. I eat only one or two piece of banana per day. After a few days, it gets black.
Peel it first, put in container before putting in fridge. Won't turn black so fast. Else chuck in freezer (also peeled) then take out and blend with other fruits to make smoothie or ice cream. http://www.chopchopmag.org/content/one-ingredient-banana-ice-cream

ng
30-04-2015, 12:45 PM
Peel it first, put in container before putting in fridge. Won't turn black so fast. Else chuck in freezer (also peeled) then take out and blend with other fruits to make smoothie or ice cream. http://www.chopchopmag.org/content/one-ingredient-banana-ice-cream

Thanks. I thought the skin is to protect the banana? So no skin is better?

bslee
30-04-2015, 01:05 PM
Thanks. I thought the skin is to protect the banana? So no skin is better?

I thought these kind of knowledge is easily acquired or realized sometime in life's experiences.;)