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HTCHONG
07-04-2015, 01:12 PM
I am just puzzling will the property prices in KL go up when the high speed rail (HSR) between KL-Singapore complete in another 5 years from now?

The HSR travel time between both cities is expected to be within 90 minutes (may be extended to 2 hours including immigration checkpoints) compare to usual 4 hours by air (including check-in, boarding and other airport procedures) or 7~8 hours by road.

Greenwich
07-04-2015, 02:21 PM
I am just puzzling will the property prices in KL go up when the high speed rail (HSR) between KL-Singapore complete in another 5 years from now?

The HSR travel time between both cities is expected to be within 90 minutes (may be extended to 2 hours including immigration checkpoints) compare to usual 4 hours by air (including check-in, boarding and other airport procedures) or 7~8 hours by road.

My personal views..

For Malaysians working in Singapore, it is unlikely they will choose to relocate back to KL/Seremban/Malacca although the commuting time is less than 2 hours. It is not something that one can do it as a daily routine.

For Singaporeans who travel to Malaysia for business, why buy a property when the travelling time now has been cut short so much..

The likely changes would be in corporate sector which think it may be a good idea to downsize the operations in Singapore and relocate some regional staff to KL since travelling time between this two cities is much shorter now and business costs are cheaper in KL. This may add demand for property.

I am pessimistic of Malaysian economy and the country's fiscal policies. KL is not Singapore or other vibrant cities with good governance that offer a plus factor for people to come here, except it is still cheaper in living expenses for those from developed cities due to the weakening Ringgit..

Henry T
07-04-2015, 02:30 PM
I am just puzzling will the property prices in KL go up when the high speed rail (HSR) between KL-Singapore complete in another 5 years from now?

The HSR travel time between both cities is expected to be within 90 minutes (may be extended to 2 hours including immigration checkpoints) compare to usual 4 hours by air (including check-in, boarding and other airport procedures) or 7~8 hours by road.


I am hoping with the high speed rail, people would not see the need to stay in or around Klang Valley and disperse into the suburbs. This dispersal of the population will lead to growth and development of the suburbs and easing of demand of properties and traffic jams in Klang Valley.

There must be an efficient bus feeder service to complement this high speed rail. :)

HTCHONG
07-04-2015, 03:11 PM
My personal views..

For Malaysians working in Singapore, it is unlikely they will choose to relocate back to KL/Seremban/Malacca although the commuting time is less than 2 hours. It is not something that one can do it as a daily routine.

For Singaporeans who travel to Malaysia for business, why buy a property when the travelling time now has been cut short so much..

The likely changes would be in corporate sector which think it may be a good idea to downsize the operations in Singapore and relocate some regional staff to KL since travelling time between this two cities is much shorter now and business costs are cheaper in KL. This may add demand for property.

I am pessimistic of Malaysian economy and the country's fiscal policies. KL is not Singapore or other vibrant cities with good governance that offer a plus factor for people to come here, except it is still cheaper in living expenses for those from developed cities due to the weakening Ringgit..


I am hoping with the high speed rail, people would not see the need to stay in or around Klang Valley and disperse into the suburbs. This dispersal of the population will lead to growth and development of the suburbs and easing of demand of properties and traffic jams in Klang Valley.

There must be an efficient bus feeder service to complement this high speed rail. :)

I am thinking along the similar lines as you or else JB should be very prosperous by now. Apart from social security, other deciding factors including basic infra-structure are important on top of cost of living if one has an option. For overall comfort and safety the deciding factors should be holistic rather than just a simple one or two.

If KL or JB has good governance with conducive living environment (which I think some places meet that requirement), this will bring lots of social and economic benefits for both countries.

HTCHONG
07-04-2015, 03:36 PM
My personal views..

For Malaysians working in Singapore, it is unlikely they will choose to relocate back to KL/Seremban/Malacca although the commuting time is less than 2 hours. It is not something that one can do it as a daily routine...

To add on, this may not be true to some extent. There are people who live in, for instance, Kota Tinggi, Kulai Jaya, spend nearly 4 hours a day (both trips by bus Kilang) shuttle between both places for their daily works.

Once I met an auntie in her 50’s. She lived in Kota Tinggi shuttled between both places by Bus kilang. She don’t mind the journey and time, as she claimed her incomes beat her husband or son despite her son has a degree from University TAR.

Greenwich
07-04-2015, 06:36 PM
To add on, this may not be true to some extent. There are people who live in, for instance, Kota Tinggi, Kulai Jaya, spend nearly 4 hours a day (both trips by bus Kilang) shuttle between both places for their daily works.

Once I met an auntie in her 50's. She lived in Kota Tinggi shuttled between both places by Bus kilang. She don't mind the journey and time, as she claimed her incomes beat her husband or son despite her son has a degree from University TAR.

I am actually refering to different income and job skills category.

I believe nobody wants to leave the house as early as 5am and come home as late as 9-10pm as standard daily routine.

I am aware they are many uncle/auntie or young man/young lady who are doing what you mentioned. They endure this hardship every working day, some even on Saturday and Sunday (those in the service industry) to cross the causeway to earn extra money because the SGD is so much stronger than MYR. Most of them are doing jobs of lower skills which are not the preference of Singaporeans especially the younger generation. Of course, they are professionals who do this also because the extra money after conversion is just too attractive.

My point is even the travelling time from KL to Singapore has been cut short to less than 2 hours, I doubt those Malaysians in higher positions would considering buying a house in KL/Seremban/Malacca and then commute to Singapore daily.

In addition, the ticket of high speed rail cannot be cheap due to the high investment (For example, high speed train in Japan and Europe are more expensive than air ticket). If daily commuting with HSR is more expensive than renting an apartment in Singapore, there is no financial incentive to endure this tiring daily routine.

Naka
07-04-2015, 07:16 PM
I think those able bodies keep doing it to save the money for raining days.

When they are old, they do not want to complain endlessly for any future high cost of living

jan tomaswaki
07-04-2015, 08:20 PM
I agree it is tiring,anyone have travel from KL to Ipoh on the electric train to work everyday? I think it cost Rm60

Henry T
07-04-2015, 08:29 PM
I agree it is tiring,anyone have travel from KL to Ipoh on the electric train to work everyday? I think it cost Rm60

If a person is living in one end of the Klang Valley and work at the other end he will also have to spend two hours driving each way in our famous traffic jams. Taking our nonsensical public transport could be worse.

Btw, a friend's son was working in Japan until recently. He was given a subsidy for train tickets. :)

DennisWng
07-04-2015, 08:36 PM
When they are old, they do not want to complain endlessly for any future high cost of livingDon't complain when they are old? Are you sure? Surely there are exceptions? ;)

HTCHONG
07-04-2015, 08:46 PM
I am actually refering to different income and job skills category.

I believe nobody wants to leave the house as early as 5am and come home as late as 9-10pm as standard daily routine.

I am aware they are many uncle/auntie or young man/young lady who are doing what you mentioned. They endure this hardship every working day, some even on Saturday and Sunday (those in the service industry) to cross the causeway to earn extra money because the SGD is so much stronger than MYR. Most of them are doing jobs of lower skills which are not the preference of Singaporeans especially the younger generation. Of course, they are professionals who do this also because the extra money after conversion is just too attractive.

My point is even the travelling time from KL to Singapore has been cut short to less than 2 hours, I doubt those Malaysians in higher positions would considering buying a house in KL/Seremban/Malacca and then commute to Singapore daily.

In addition, the ticket of high speed rail cannot be cheap due to the high investment (For example, high speed train in Japan and Europe are more expensive than air ticket). If daily commuting with HSR is more expensive than renting an apartment in Singapore, there is no financial incentive to endure this tiring daily routine.

After my earlier post, I spoke to someone, according to my understanding those Bas Kilang are chartered by the company for their workers. Hence, to the workers it is not an expanse but time is their only sacrifice in return for higher incomes due to exchange gain.

Moreover, as you correctly mentioned, the high speed train fares shouldn't be cheap. My guess, the train fares should price almost the same if not higher than the budget airfares. Therefore, it is not a fair comparison in my earlier posting. :)

jan tomaswaki
07-04-2015, 08:59 PM
The best is Gomen subsidize the fare so that ppl can stay back in their kampungs and take the train to work.It make sense so that houses pricing will not be expensive when everyone only wants to stay in KL

Henry T
07-04-2015, 09:34 PM
The best is Gomen subsidize the fare so that ppl can stay back in their kampungs and take the train to work.It make sense so that houses pricing will not be expensive when everyone only wants to stay in KL


There is no such thing as Gomen subsidy. The truth is some people subsidises others. Where do you think the Gomen get its money from?

The only subsidies I agree with are those given to farmers so that there is food security for the country. All others should pull their own weight. :)

Greenwich
08-04-2015, 11:33 AM
After my earlier post, I spoke to someone, according to my understanding those Bas Kilang are chartered by the company for their workers. Hence, to the workers it is not an expanse but time is their only sacrifice in return for higher incomes due to exchange gain.

The reason these companies provide bus transport is to ensure no disruption to company's operations. Some of these companies operate 24 hours in shifts and therefore company transport is a must to ensure no disruption to 24 hours operations.

Majority of these workers are doing lower skill job in assembly line/manufacturing environment. Those who work in service industry like restaurant and hotel will normally drive their own transport (mostly motorbike) to Singapore.

They all endure this hardship every working day, even Saturday and Sunday for the currency exchange gain. Work in Singapore but live outside Singapore is not an option or else their salary would be too little for a meaningful life in the island. They even have to live at places outside of JB town like kota tinggi, kluang, kulai etc as JB is not cheap either, relatively speaking. Those who can afford to stay in JB town and work in Singapore are mostly professionals or management staff who drive a Singapore-registered car to work.

bibimbap
09-04-2015, 08:14 AM
You guys are looking at KL-Singapore.

I am looking at KL-Ipoh - even better deal - good food, cheaper housing, lower expenses and with the double tracking and soon to start high speed rail, Ipoh is only 30 minutes away !!!!!!! :D

Faster than going from Putra Heights to SJKC Lick Hung in the rush hour morning !!! :eek:

Greenwich
09-04-2015, 09:57 AM
.....I am looking at KL-Ipoh - even better deal - good food, cheaper housing, lower expenses and with the double tracking and soon to start high speed rail, Ipoh is only 30 minutes away !!!!!!! :D

Faster than going from Putra Heights to SJKC Lick Hung in the rush hour morning !!! :eek:

Are you kidding, 30 minutes from Putra Height to LH in SS19 !!

I thought from USJ4 to LH in normal USJ morning traffic is oredi 20-25 minutes !! :heheheh:

Greenwich
04-05-2015, 01:11 PM
The reason these companies provide bus transport is to ensure no disruption to company's operations. Some of these companies operate 24 hours in shifts and therefore company transport is a must to ensure no disruption to 24 hours operations.

Majority of these workers are doing lower skill job in assembly line/manufacturing environment. Those who work in service industry like restaurant and hotel will normally drive their own transport (mostly motorbike) to Singapore.

They all endure this hardship every working day, even Saturday and Sunday for the currency exchange gain. Work in Singapore but live outside Singapore is not an option or else their salary would be too little for a meaningful life in the island. They even have to live at places outside of JB town like kota tinggi, kluang, kulai etc as JB is not cheap either, relatively speaking. Those who can afford to stay in JB town and work in Singapore are mostly professionals or management staff who drive a Singapore-registered car to work.

A 50-year-old man died after he was trapped in a blazing house at 7am today. Leng Yoo On was believed to have died from suffocation in a top floor bedroom of a double-storey terrace in Taman Daya while his wife and three children managed to run out of the house.

According to a report in Sin Chew today, Lee is a bus driver in Singapore. He reached his JB home at 3am after the last shift of his job. Probably due to tiredness, he did not realize the fire while sleeping.

Life is tough for them...

http://www.nst.com.my/node/82736