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ng
25-11-2014, 11:31 PM
http://paultan.org/2014/11/25/dbkl-renames-eight-roads-including-jalan-duta-mahameru/#ixzz3K4tkzb7nquote%5D

No more jln ipoh or jln duta for tourists.

they must remember long names.

Naka
26-11-2014, 08:32 AM
Confusing indeed but more money for the printing industries in their maps

ng
26-11-2014, 09:28 AM
I mean do they expect tourists to remember all these long names?

They have trouble remembering bukit bintang and kuala lumpur and just abbr to bb and kl.

Imagine saying to taxi driver ' i want to go to jln sas instead of jln ipoh. take sikd highway'

AltV
26-11-2014, 12:32 PM
Don't worry about long names, people will find a way to shorten it, just like Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman become Jalan TAR, Taman Tun Dr. Ismail become T.T.D.I.

kwchang
26-11-2014, 12:49 PM
It was the Sultans who asked for the renaming (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/26/Loga-Bala-Renaming-of-roads-at-request-of-Conference-of-Rulers/)...did you realise most of the roads involved are near the new Palace?

AltV
26-11-2014, 01:10 PM
It is just a road name and I don't think Jalan Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu any shorter and easier to remember as well.

Chia Hak Soon
26-11-2014, 04:36 PM
We have incredible names before;-

Foch Avenue
Jalan Mounbatten
Jalan Klyne
Jalan Cambell
Circular road
Klang road
Jalan Brickfields
Jalan Gurney
Jalan maxwell
Jalan Traves
Jalan Treacher
Jalan Weld
Jalan Parry
Jalan Hicks
Jalan Stonor
Jalan U Thant

and many more

kwchang
26-11-2014, 06:14 PM
Chia Hak Soon mentioned KL history - I have moved it to a new thread on "History of KL (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?37647-History-of-KL)" which isn't much about road names but should be interesting on a more general topic of history

fRaNkY
26-11-2014, 06:27 PM
Later we will hear that sultan road is jam that sultan road is flood... Another sultan road hv car accident... Funny using sultan names like that...

Better n more respect n remember them on grand mosque and govt buildings...

bslee
26-11-2014, 09:20 PM
Ipoh is another town where most of the colonial road names have been systematically changed over the decades. Its no surprise that road names in KL will persist to change in future. By then no-one in that generation would know its origins, other than trying to find facts on the internet, where else? I guess Georgetown remain status quo by original names being retained. I'm not too sure, someday it can all change too. Currently everyone still call "Penang" Penang. I don't often hear people calling it Pulau Pinang or Pulau Mutiara in any conversation. Malacca have become offically MELAKA. Seberang Prai was Province Wellesley (named after the brother of the Duke of Wellington who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo), and I don't hear anyone using that name, so is Port Klang or Port Swettenham in the past. I'm just reckoning any names that have origins of colonial times would be the top of the list for change at anytime. Systematic dismantling of colonial road names goes as far back just after Tunku's tenure as PM.

ng
26-11-2014, 09:31 PM
Ipoh is another to.

jln ipoh is the old road to ipoh just like jln pahang to pahang and jln klang to klang.

it's a pity most people won't know its history easily in future.

ng
26-11-2014, 09:33 PM
Don't worry about long names, people will find a way to shorten it, just like Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman become Jalan TAR, Taman Tun Dr. Ismail become T.T.D.I.

in the postal mail and IC address, can we use the shorter version? i doubt so.

bslee
26-11-2014, 09:38 PM
it's a pity most people won't know its history easily in future.
Pity for you, but not to the next generation, they're all being cultured to accept something else than what we the older generation knew. Pity, unfortunate, disappointment or a welcome is entirely a personal view. Whether you call it progress or regress, again its personal opinion. 40 years ago, children can sing English nursery rhymes, but children now don't even know one line of it..except if specially tutored. Its all change and change will come.

cskok8
26-11-2014, 10:50 PM
Sir Arthur Wellesley IS the Duke of Wellington

bslee
26-11-2014, 11:34 PM
Sir Arthur Wellesley IS the Duke of Wellington

I'm afraid its not named after Sir Arthur Wellesley. Its Richard Wellesley, ironically a maternal great great great grandfather of Queen Elizabeth II.

ng
28-11-2014, 11:53 PM
It was the Sultans who asked for the renaming (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/26/Loga-Bala-Renaming-of-roads-at-request-of-Conference-of-Rulers/)...did you realise most of the roads involved are near the new Palace?

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/28/Road-names-ministry-decision/

It was decided by DBKL alone.

Sentinel
29-11-2014, 03:13 AM
Sir Arthur Wellesley IS the Duke of Wellington

So, was Province Wellesley named after him? It has been Seberang Perai for a while now, thanks to Koh Tsu Khoon who also changed Scott Road to Jalan Dr Ramachandran and all those 3-storeyed bungalows of the nouve-riche must be cursing at swearing at him.... not to mention Prangin Road to Jalan Dr Lim Chwee Leong (Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu's father - dunno why he also got a road...) Northam Road to Jalan Sultan Ahmad Shah and Western Road to Jalan Utama.... Beach Street to Lebuh Pantai... Bo HOOD!

bslee
29-11-2014, 11:21 AM
Its quite usual, any ruling regime can do whatever they see fit, in the best interest of the people, culture and in the name of nationalization, they can implement it all. Like it or not, it happen anywhere, only a matter of people accept or disapprove.
I'm guessing that in the future, anyone who may like to research the history of some road may have to resort to sites like this (http://www.penang-traveltips.com/scott-road.htm) for further info, where else for more (http://www.google.com) historical data?

cml
29-11-2014, 11:35 AM
Those a holes have no sense of history. History does not mean anything to them. I think roads should be named only after the dead.For those who have contributed to society and the community and only for new roads. IMHO

bslee
29-11-2014, 12:24 PM
Those a holes have no sense of history. History does not mean anything to them. I think roads should be named only after the dead.For those who have contributed to society and the community and only for new roads. IMHO

I reckon no end to dispute or welcome in this issue. The government of the day have the prerogative and mandate to change things in future, regardless its historical, nostalgic or nationalist.
Meanwhile most rakyat and the younger generation have a much bigger worry on their hands, primarily are rising cost of living and trying to buy a roof over their heads... kautim that 1st above anything else! Getting worked up about racial or religious controversy ain't gonna put food on your table today.

Sentinel
29-11-2014, 03:26 PM
Are you recommending everyone accept things shafted down their throat? Would Jalan Alor have remained Jalan Alor if people do not speak up?

Sure, there are more important things to discuss and worry about but let the people speak their mind... I was originally from Seremban and to me Seremban has been Paul Street, Cameron Street, Birch Road, Loop Road, Hose Road, Carew Street, Lemon Sttreet and Templer Road. I don't know what these roads are known as now as they all have been changed. I only move around with my memories of the left and rights and whatever coz I do not know which road is which now....

Don't just because we want to think about high cost of living we ignore these issues.... and deemed it as inevitable...

bslee
29-11-2014, 03:32 PM
Can speak up if you want..no one stopping you. I still standby by my main point as there's no end to dispute when this kind of topic is brought up. In the same manner, those road changes are inevitable too..since its already been done long ago.
They may relent one or two but the rest can be changed to their whim.

Sentinel
29-11-2014, 05:01 PM
That is why we must voice out now - of course you cannot stop people from voicing out - but do not discourage them to the "no point saying anything lah you cannot win lah" messages

Challenger
03-12-2014, 10:20 AM
That is why we must voice out now - of course you cannot stop people from voicing out - but do not discourage them to the "no point saying anything lah you cannot win lah" messages

I agree with this.

We must voice out our objections, thoughts and comments on certain policies and actions of our local, state and federal agencies. The sly people will defend their nonsense policies with "there is no objection from public" and 'cos of this silence from public, many unfair and wrong policies are implemented.

Scooty
03-12-2014, 10:52 AM
I agree with this.

We must voice out our objections, thoughts and comments on certain policies and actions of our local, state and federal agencies. The sly people will defend their nonsense policies with "there is no objection from public" and 'cos of this silence from public, many unfair and wrong policies are implemented.I am in agreement too.

aursong
04-12-2014, 11:42 AM
It was the Sultans who asked for the renaming (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/26/Loga-Bala-Renaming-of-roads-at-request-of-Conference-of-Rulers/)...did you realise most of the roads involved are near the new Palace?

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/12/04/rulers-did-not-have-a-hand-in-kl-road-name-change/

Ouch...

cskok8
04-12-2014, 12:19 PM
First we have a deputy minister saying that the Rulers' Conference requested the name changes; also that it "would not involve any cost". Then we have the Minister saying otherwise. Now the keeper of the Rulers' seals have confirmed it.

So why are we paying this IDIOT deputy minister?

clfoo
06-12-2014, 02:55 AM
First we have a deputy minister saying that the Rulers' Conference requested the name changes; also that it "would not involve any cost". Then we have the Minister saying otherwise. Now the keeper of the Rulers' seals have confirmed it.

So why are we paying this IDIOT deputy minister?

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/kuala-lumpur-road-names-to-be-changed-at-request-of-royalty-says-dep-min

should the title of this deputy minister and minister be stripped too? Because now it's confirm that it's the work of inconsiderate kaki bodek try to waste public resources(include their undeserved salaries), causing confusion and inconvenient to all affected parties (bills, IC, passport, name card, company address, sign board and etc), then when shit hit the fan they try to silence the public and justify their doing by using royalty and indirectly taint them.

They should choose to name those new roads in putera jaya instead.

fRaNkY
08-12-2014, 03:31 PM
Like it simple... like Jalan KUDA,

ng
12-12-2014, 01:57 PM
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/kuala-lumpur-road-names-to-be-changed-at-request-of-royalty-says-dep-min

Causing confusion and inconvenient to all affected parties (bills, IC, passport, name card, company address, sign board and etc),

They should choose to name those new roads in putera jaya instead.

Not only that the GPS software and worldwide travel guides have to be updated too which is enormous.

So everytime someone key in their GPS, they have to type the long road names instead of jln Ipoh?
Jln Ipoh is actually quite a well known place for decades.

bslee
12-12-2014, 02:46 PM
Not only that the GPS software and worldwide travel guides have to be updated too which is enormous.
So everytime someone key in their GPS, they have to type the long road names instead of jln Ipoh?
Jln Ipoh is actually quite a well known place for decades.

Looking at Google Earth, it unchanged. As usual Malaysia is among the late updates as I reckon this land is among the "unimportant".

Henry T
21-12-2014, 08:06 AM
, but it is not in KL.

The stretch of dual carriageway leading into Bandar Puncak Alam, Selangor is named Pesiaran Mokhtar Dahari. A very appropriate tribute in a late national sporting hero.

Maybe some day there will also be a Jalan Arumugam and Jalan Wong Choon Wah. :)

jan tomaswaki
21-12-2014, 06:47 PM
Henry, we also have names like Abu Nawas,Low foo Chee, Ip Man,Wong Fei Hong ,lastly Ali BAba