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kuma
17-07-2014, 11:30 PM
Malaysia plane 'crashes in Ukraine'

More to follow....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856

UPDATE:

Boeing 777 passenger airplane of Malaysian Airlines crashed on the territory of Ukraine in 60 km from the Russian border, a source in air traffic control circles told ITAR-TASS.

The source noted that the flight was supposed to enter the Russian air space at 17:20 Moscow standard time (13:20 UTC).

“However, it fell down in 60 km from the border; the plane’s emergency location beacon went off,” the source said.

TASS NEWS AGENCY (http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741158)

The crash happened near Donetsk and the plane had 280 passengers on board. The question is - accident? Or was it shot down by Russia or Ukraine as a provocation.

UPDATE ON SKY NEWS (http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board)

P/S
For some reason, my net running very slow now....cant update easily. Sorry

lady-o-leisure
17-07-2014, 11:32 PM
Goodness!!!What the hell is going on??? I just saw it on tv here in SoCal breaking news... http://ktla.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-flight-crashes-in-eastern-ukraine-report/

Henry T
18-07-2014, 12:03 AM
Shot down, according to this report.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-airlines-plane-with-295-on-board-crashes-says-report

kuma
18-07-2014, 12:31 AM
An act of war from pro russian separatists?

The 'separatist' don't have the capability to shoot down a plane that high ;)


First Photo Emerges Of Malaysian Airlines Plane Wreckage

Quote: "The first alleged eyewitness photo of debris of MH17 Malaysian Airlines plane has been released. Considering the amount of propaganda involved in this tragic development, take everything with a mine of salt."

>>Click Here To See<< (http://goo.gl/2tz1Xu)

kuma
18-07-2014, 12:38 AM
The Fingerpointing Begins ;)

Quote: "The Malaysian Airlines jet was shot down by the BUK Missile System according to Interfax."

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/07/20140717_buk1_0.jpg

Quote: "Curiously, advisor to Ukraine ministry of internal affairs, had a prepared explanation for everything that happened half an hour ago, long before Ukraine even announced it would begin a probe into the flight crash.....>>Read More Here<< (http://goo.gl/SfU7mN)

kuma
18-07-2014, 02:02 AM
More Updates, Video and Pictures @MailOnline

>>Click Here For@MailOnline<< (http://goo.gl/IMAZO5)

Henry T
18-07-2014, 07:42 AM
In this armed conflict innocent people become the victims.

But why did the plane chose this route over a no fly zone?

Naka
18-07-2014, 08:03 AM
It is a very sad tragedy for MAS and for all commercial airlines.

Whoever did this should be shiftly brought to justice...according to radio conversations between the rebels, it seems they are the culprits.

Earlier in the week, 2 or 3 military aircrafts were brought down by missiles.

Why didn't MAS avoid this route or change the flight plan?

Naka
18-07-2014, 08:44 AM
2 or 3 years back, when a Volcano in Indonesia was spewing ashes into the air, the plane I was travelling in just flew away from the normal route as explained by the chief Pilot

Only 45 minutes was lost because of the longer route & of course more fuel was burnt.

besitai2007
18-07-2014, 09:06 AM
Numerologists would just love this: just look at the number 7 involved: MH17; Boeing 777; shot down on 17-07-14 (year 2014 = 2+0+1+4 = 7); by Buk, also called SA-11 or SA-17 missile; made first flight on 17-7-97 supposed to end service in 17 years; 17 Dutch. Of course, not forgetting MH370.

Whatever the cause, our condolences to the families who lost loved ones, especially to the families of the 43 Malaysian passengers and crew.

Aiseh man! Where is the newly minted Transport Minister Liow? In the press briefing by Najib, Hishamuddin was there. MAS CEO also not seen!

Naka
18-07-2014, 09:38 AM
Pro-Russian rebels 'admit to shooting down plane'


https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/24490855/pro-russian-rebels-admit-to-shooting-down-plane/

Challenger
18-07-2014, 09:39 AM
Ukraine said they didn't do it. So who did it? Let's see how 1pm lead this crisis, like what he tweeted about Brazil's loss to Germany in the WC.

Flying over war zone is a stupid idea, even if it is the shortest and cheapest route.

Naka
18-07-2014, 09:40 AM
USA/EU have a few satellites zoom into that conflict zones 24/7/365.

Surely they have every minute detail

HTCHONG
18-07-2014, 10:46 AM
I was very disturbed when I heard this news late yesterday night. :mad:

I have the following questions .....

1. Why choose a flight path which has conflict, no doubt this is a shorter path but I hope this is not part of cost saving measures.

2. A normal flight height should be at about 30K feet or about 10Km, I wonder why the rebels want to shoot a plane at this height. A jet fighter is definitely flying much lower than this height.

3. To shoot a missile, it needs at least 2 keys of activation, now, who order to shoot a civilian plane using a mid-range missile which can reach anything below 100Km?

I guess President Putin is very mad because Ukraine is capitalizing this incident to garner international support.

kuma
18-07-2014, 11:04 AM
Numerologists would just love this: just look at the number 7 involved: MH17; Boeing 777; shot down on 17-07-14 (year 2014 = 2+0+1+4 = 7); by Buk, also called SA-11 or SA-17 missile; made first flight on 17-7-97 supposed to end service in 17 years; 17 Dutch. Of course, not forgetting MH370.


And the initial reported number onboard was 295 [=7].....though now MAS has changed it to 298!

Ah! The 'Magic 7' ;)......and what a 'coincidence'......considering that 'this speech'
has been 'hot' on the Web this last month :eek:

[video=youtube_share;QYmViPTndxw]http://youtu.be/QYmViPTndxw

kuma
18-07-2014, 11:13 AM
I was very disturbed when I heard this news late yesterday night. :mad:

I have the following questions .....

1. Why choose a flight path which has conflict, no doubt this is a shorter path but I hope this is not part of cost saving measures.

2. A normal flight height should be at about 30K feet or about 10Km, I wonder why the rebels want to shoot a plane at this height. A jet fighter is definitely flying much lower than this height.

3. To shoot a missile, it needs at least 2 keys of activation, now, who order to shoot a civilian plane using a mid-range missile which can reach anything below 100Km?

I guess President Putin is very mad because Ukraine is capitalizing this incident to garner international support.


'Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?'

Best Read In >>>Full Here<<< (http://goo.gl/ZqdicQ)

Exerts:

"recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware"......."shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south....... and cross the zone..... it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk."

"why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace"....."any instructions did Kiev air control give the pilot?"

bslee
18-07-2014, 11:20 AM
I was so shaken up when someone Whatsapp me on this tragedy and followed through the breaking news on TV. Why over Ukraine or any war zone?.. anything is now possible, cannot hope for the best all the time.This isn't good..I'm sad, very very sad..but my life have to go on.. its so uncertain. I really feel the loss of all those onboard. We just prepare what come may.. sigh! :(

besitai2007
18-07-2014, 11:22 AM
'Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?'

Best Read In >>>Full Here<<< (http://goo.gl/ZqdicQ)

Exerts:

"recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware"......."shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south....... and cross the zone..... it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk."

"why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace"....."any instructions did Kiev air control give the pilot?"
Hate to think of another conspiracy theory. Many more questions will be asked but is our new Transport Minister Liow going to take the stage to answer questions? Why have we not heard or seen him? Liow must have regretted opting to get a minister's post when CSL has already said MCA wont accept a minister's post aftre poor GE1q3 showing. Meantime Hishamuddin is standing in for him!

bslee
18-07-2014, 11:32 AM
Your minister friend better be film star material and offer up and oscar winning oratory performance on the world stage. This is BIG TRAGEDY #2! in Malaysian history.. not just aviation history...no joke!

kuma
18-07-2014, 11:35 AM
Hate to think of another conspiracy theory. Many more questions will be asked...........

Was MH17 targeted?

'Proof That Malaysia Flight MH17 Was Diverted Video' [Best viewed on Youtube, also follow links there] >>>Click Here?<<< (http://goo.gl/j9Oxcg)

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UPDATE:

Another video worth a watch.....

'Are They Wagging the Dog?'.....>>"Watch Here<< (http://goo.gl/IKkvgK)

"If this was a mid-air missile strike, quick question: where is the smoke?"

ng
18-07-2014, 12:14 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/18/MH17-crash-East-Ukraine-a-nofly-zone/

Why did MAS fly over a nofly zone ?

Naka
18-07-2014, 12:27 PM
Hello, USJ27Resident, I sincerely hope you are still around, safe and sound!!:confused:

Henry T
18-07-2014, 12:29 PM
Whoever shot down the plane committed mass murder of 298 people who had nothing to do with whatever it is they are fighting for.

besitai2007
18-07-2014, 01:14 PM
Black box now sent to Russia! Will Russia tamper with the data?

Naka
18-07-2014, 01:29 PM
I heard over the radio PM Najib gave a press conference/press release re MH17 very early this morning.

How come this is no where to be seen??

Henry T
18-07-2014, 01:38 PM
Black box now sent to Russia! Will Russia tamper with the data?

Habis lah, macam ini.

ng
18-07-2014, 02:26 PM
Whoever shot down the plane committed mass murder of 298 people who had nothing to do with whatever it is they are fighting for.

There are reports that this plane is also related to MH370 and why it disappeared.

Why always target MAS planes ? Don't you guys find it too coincidental ?

THere might be some conspiracy going on.

currymee
18-07-2014, 02:44 PM
Errrr ... I don't see the relevance of black box or no black box ... Russia or not in possession ... the plane WAS SHOT DOWN in BROAD DAYLIGHT, what other reasons you want the black box for ? :confused:

Naka
18-07-2014, 02:57 PM
Errrr ... I don't see the relevance of black box or no black box ... Russia or not in possession ... the plane WAS SHOT DOWN in BROAD DAYLIGHT, what other reasons you want the black box for ? :confused:

There maybe voice warning recordings between the culprits and the captain....u never know.

If there is NONE, just "Kar Boom".....then u know they don't know what hit them.

kuma
18-07-2014, 02:59 PM
Black box now sent to Russia! Will Russia tamper with the data?

Of course the other option would be to hand it over to the Ukrainian Gomen, who would have in turn given it to Washington for assessment. Then, who knows we might even get a video of the BUK striking MH17, the date of manufacture and Serial number thrown in :heheheh:

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And......the MSM preparing you for WAR! ;)


http://youtu.be/Gtiniu56IOc

On the other side.....while everyone is looking at Ukraine and MH17........

'IDF starts Gaza ground offensive' ;)

>>Read@JerusalemPost<< (http://goo.gl/xm3rIz)

Sentinel
18-07-2014, 03:09 PM
The incident happened within Ukrainian territory and Russia has no right to the Black Boxes... only three parties i.e. Ukraine government, Boeing and MAS.... let's see if the Dutch and Malaysia government will pressure Putin to return those Black Boxes since the man said this morning "we will leave no stones unturned" like he said to the late Teoh Beng Hock's family 5 years ago.... can still recycle those words and he thinks people will still believe him kah? Kangkung - ka ki kong ka ki song...!

Sentinel
18-07-2014, 03:21 PM
You can see the video on cnn.com the moment the plane hits the ground and exploded.... and the story that the US radar has tracked a missile following the flight...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

HTCHONG
18-07-2014, 03:33 PM
Najib’s step grandmother Puan Sri Siti Amirah was one of the passengers ….

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/mh17-crash-najibs-step-grandmother-was-onboard-flight\

kuma
18-07-2014, 03:53 PM
You can see the video on cnn.com the moment the plane hits the ground and exploded.... and the story that the US radar has tracked a missile following the flight...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

If the plane was hit by a missile.....it should already be on fire and a trail of smoke 'would' have been visible as it crashed to the ground......none is :eek:

[Look at link to - 'Wag The Dog' in Post #22]

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On the other hand......here is something to consider :eek:

Did They Hit The Wrong Plane?

[Story goes that Putin's plane was trailing minutes behind MH17, on his way back from Brazil]

Quote RT: “I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon."

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/238056/images/malaysianplane.jpg
[Look at plane size, shape and colors!]

Read In Full: >>RT:Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17<< (http://goo.gl/FY0f7c)

Naka
18-07-2014, 04:09 PM
I heard over the radio PM Najib gave a press conference/press release re MH17 very early this morning.

How come this is no where to be seen??

MH17: Malaysian jet crashes in Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba60JyhT4ks#t=310

Naka
18-07-2014, 04:31 PM
Is karma for this fascist apartheid regime...

Liow tiong lai...u cant escape being on cnn...u must have thank yr lucky stars not dealing with mh370...kanasai

I just saw Liow's press conference in ABC.....TV.....he is quite impressive & straight to the points

kuma
18-07-2014, 09:07 PM
Quoting Ukrainian Prime Minister on BBC:

"All RED LINES Have Been Crossed....This Is The Dateline!" :eek:

>>Watch On BBC<< (http://goo.gl/DThCFT) [Warning: Ukrainian PM uses 'Strong Language'] ;)

Quote:
"This is the 'War Against The World'.....So? Does this mean 'Time For Escalation'?

kuma
18-07-2014, 11:41 PM
UPDATE

'The Russian Side Of The Story' >>>CLICK HERE TO READ@ZEROHEDGE<<< (http://goo.gl/wnJRCr)

Quoting last sentence:
"In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to "who" the shooter was." ;)


So, if your mind is not 'made up' and 'still open'.......Tyler Durden's article is a good read with some startling [and not reported on CNN:)] updates ;-)

UPDATE

Ukraine authority instructed MH17 to fly at 10,060m,[33,000ft] says MAS.....THOUGH 'MH17 had filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft over Ukrainian airspace' - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-authority-instructed-mh17-to-fly-at-33000ft-says-mas#sthash.Mjx7sjaO.dpuf

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 08:05 AM
Looks like MH17 is the victim in the propaganda war between Ukraine and Russia. Each side would have a reason to shoot down MH17 and then blame the other side, to make its rival look bad.

Naka
19-07-2014, 08:50 AM
Is there a list of names of Malaysians that were killed in the ill-fated flight?

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 08:51 AM
UN contradicts Liow's statement. Beginning of denial saga...

Quote from ICAO spokesman Anthony Philbin: ""The International Civil Aviation Authority does not declare airspace safe or unsafe or undertake any other direct operational responsibilities with respect to civilian air services."

ICAO declares that it does not have the power to open or close air routes.

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 09:59 AM
Malaysiakini reports that an aviation expert has claimed that MH17 flew 482 kilometre north from the usual path from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that most aircrafts usually take. Things are getting interesting.

Also, latest action by PM, sending 149 "experts" to Ukraine. Fuyoo! The rebels are refusing request by international monitors to go into crash site. What can kaypo Malaysians do? Waste of public funds.

kuma
19-07-2014, 10:33 AM
Malaysiakini reports that an aviation expert has claimed that MH17 flew 482 kilometre north from the usual path from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that most aircrafts usually take. Things are getting interesting.


Quote: Question "is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

"It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming".........as BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and MH17"

>>ReaMore@ZeroHedge<< (http://goo.gl/xTYxMH)

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Now this is interesting :eek:......I only have 1 question......Now why would Yahoo [considered as reputable?? ] quoting AP [also reputable source?]...... re-publish this? ;)

'Rebel leader gives bizarre account of plane crash' >>>Read@Yahoo<< (http://goo.gl/Dy5h2y)

A top pro-Russia rebel commander gives bizarre version of events....."suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off." [Go read @ link above]

Bizarre I'd say :eek:

Naka
19-07-2014, 11:12 AM
MH17 crash: MAS to waive change fees, offers refunds for cancellations


http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/19/MH17-crash-MAS-waives-fees-for-changes-offers-refunds/


p/s....I am at a lost, to cancel or not?

Looks like MAS share is going for a deep south dive from now on

Henry T
19-07-2014, 11:21 AM
MH17 crash: MAS to waive change fees, offers refunds for cancellations

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/19/MH17-crash-MAS-waives-fees-for-changes-offers-refunds/


p/s....I am at a lost, to cancel or not?

Looks like MAS share is going for a deep south dive from now on


Massive fiscal losses, MH370 and now MH17. A triple whammy for the airline and a long road to recovery, if it can recover at all. So sad. :(

Naka
19-07-2014, 11:23 AM
Massive fiscal losses, MH370 and now MH17. A triple whammy for the airline and a long road to recovery, if it can recover at all. :(

Maybe MAS will end up at 10cts?

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 11:48 AM
Malaysia (and MAS) really having bad luck. Plane fell into rebel territory and now rebels refuse to allow crash experts into crash zone. They are also trying to remove traces of BUK missile hit. Missile could have been fired by Ukraine or Russia to make the other look bad.

noeljs
19-07-2014, 12:52 PM
What a dark, catastrophic year for Malaysia.
Now everyone knows where Malaysia is.
A country with tragic events internally and externally
We wont be flying MAS anymore, that's for sure.

Scooty
19-07-2014, 01:07 PM
We wont be flying MAS anymore, that's for sure.I'm sure I won't be flying MAS anymore too. Just to be sure. Will not lose anything if I don't but if I did...well.

Sentinel
19-07-2014, 03:24 PM
What about reconciling and go back to the old days? What is there to be so proud of? Sell to them and let them manage lah...

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Sentinel
19-07-2014, 04:50 PM
My condolences to all families and loved ones on Flight MH17 esp to the wife and children of Capt Eugene Choo... may you rest in peace Captain... and ride on buddy...

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee122/GreenBug19/CaptainEugeneChoo_zps58481e51.jpg (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/GreenBug19/media/CaptainEugeneChoo_zps58481e51.jpg.html)

cskok8
19-07-2014, 05:22 PM
His father Mr Choo Ewe Keat was my PE teacher in school!

Mercure
19-07-2014, 06:09 PM
My condolences to all the passengers onboard the MH0017.

I was away the past few days to attend a funeral in a small town near JB. While on my way back to Subang Jaya this morning, all radio stations (Malaysia and Singapore) played sad/sentimental songs when I switched on the radio along the NS highway. I went to JB to pay my last respect to my beloved aunt. She converted to Christianity about 10 years ago and wished to have a Christian funeral. All of us are not Christian nor Catholic but we respect her wish. We joined the Christian service with her Christian friends in a Christian funeral parlor for 2 nights and accompanied her before she went to a new world.


p/s : I read two interesting posts from someone yesterday criticizing this country, citing the plane tragedy is the karma of the fascist regime, etc. I failed to understand what is the MH0017 tragedy got to do with this present 1gomen leadership, let alone karma... !!

Mercure
19-07-2014, 06:10 PM
I have the following questions .....

1. Why choose a flight path which has conflict, no doubt this is a shorter path but I hope this is not part of cost saving measures.



Schiphol airport is my favorite airport when I travel to Europe. It is a transit hub to the surrounding countries. I normally will chose KLM from KL to Amsterdam and then take a connecting flight to the destination. I will take a return KLM flight from the airport in the last European city I travel. This is one of the reasons I don’t choose MAS as they have limited flight destinations in Europe compare to KLM and Lufthansa.

I think most flight paths from KL to Europe enter the Ukraine airspace. I remember I saw the word Ukraine on the onboard screen during the flight.

bslee
19-07-2014, 06:21 PM
Not to worry..except for controversial or questionable decisions on what, how and why, I'm reckoning lots of people may suddenly acquire lots of new found knowledge about flight path and air policies, regulations and traffic control matters. It will all be in the news and all these will be most talked about by "experts, analysts, witnesses, reporters, journalists, etc, etc." or any other seemingly with authority on the subject on air flight. Don't worry..lots on the internet and news.. also giving rise to another breed of Loctor Quacks.. :laugh:.. Yes..humans do learn a lot from tragedy and mistakes. I still reeling from utter shock at both MAS tragedy.. really bad bad year! Enough of local political lonsense and now this.. Malaysia in the news for all the wrong reasons...sigh!

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 06:33 PM
Wow! Our new Transport Minister Liow heading to Kiev to "facilitate" access to crash site by Malaysian investigators. If he can pull it off he must be darn good (I will bow to him many many times) as international monitors couldn't get free access to the crash site. The team has 131 personnel (why do I feel Malaysia always send a bloated team?), consisting of a 24-man Special Malaysia Disaster Assistance and Rescue Team (Smart) and police forensic officers and they have arrived in Kiev early Saturday morning.

bslee
19-07-2014, 06:43 PM
SOKONG!... I'm wishing them good luck, safe journey there and do all they can for the sake of decent humanity. This have nothing to do with internal politics or bias.

besitai2007
19-07-2014, 07:07 PM
SOKONG!... I'm wishing them good luck, safe journey there and do all they can for the sake of decent humanity. This have nothing to do with internal politics or bias.

I second that. Hopefully Liow can succeed where others have failed.

ng
19-07-2014, 08:10 PM
His father Mr Choo Ewe Keat was my PE teacher in school!

Wow ! Does any of you guys know more about him ?

It must be a terrible time for his family. Where does he live ?

I might want to pay my final respect.

tan_r
19-07-2014, 08:42 PM
p/s : I read two interesting posts from someone yesterday criticizing this country, citing the plane tragedy is the karma of the fascist regime, etc. I failed to understand what is the MH0017 tragedy got to do with this present 1gomen leadership, let alone karma... !!

This is very tragic. I feel for the families and friends of the victims. I am sure all of us here share similar feelings. And I hope we can all take a step back to reflect and refrain from making any form of criticisms/ridicules. This just isn't the platform.

Sentinel
19-07-2014, 09:01 PM
I'm sure I won't be flying MAS anymore too. Just to be sure. Will not lose anything if I don't but if I did...well.

SQ371 was 25 km right behind MH017 on the same flight path when the SAM hit MH017.... are you going to fly SQ then?

Sentinel
19-07-2014, 09:06 PM
His father Mr Choo Ewe Keat was my PE teacher in school!

I haven't seen Captain Choo for a few years already as he commutes between his new home in Sri Carcosa in Seremban and KLIA... a very quiet and unassuming person of few words... but a very kind-hearted person and loves his family and extremely close to his sons... I know him through his love for Italian bikes from Ducati, Aprilia and Gagiva... sad...

p/s if you want to know how a person rides his bike, look at his tires... if it is worn out the entire surface until the edge of the tires, the bike has been ridden very hard and very low during corners - from the picture of the tires of the Aprilia, I think Captain Choo has enjoyed the Aprilia to the max...

Mercure
19-07-2014, 09:47 PM
This is very tragic. I feel for the families and friends of the victims. I am sure all of us here share similar feelings. And I hope we can all take a step back to reflect and refrain from making any form of criticisms/ridicules. This just isn't the platform.

We offer our deepest sympathy to the families and friends of the victims and to those who are still uncertain if their loved ones were on board the plane. There are still 4 unidentified victims.

298 innocent souls were lost due to geopolitical conflict in Eastern Europe. Can't imagine there are people who capitalized on this tragedy to condemn this 1gomen and poke fun of the new transport minister, etc.


p/s : Not sure about others. I always think flying is a gamble. I had my Will ready, sealed and kept by a lawyer when I was 35 years old. It has been almost 20 years... hope I can kept it for another 30 years... :p

cskok8
19-07-2014, 09:53 PM
Wow ! Does any of you guys know more about him ?

It must be a terrible time for his family. Where does he live ?

I might want to pay my final respect.

I only know the father. And I would fly MAS again; if the time, price, connection is right.

ng
19-07-2014, 10:53 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/19/mh17-crash-MAs-releases-passenger-manifest/

The two largest victims on MH17

Holland 193
Malaysia 43

Contrast this to MH370

China 153
Malaysia 38

These two events are uncannily similar in numbers...

Some ex-Malaysians are now registered as Dutch or Australians

kwchang
19-07-2014, 10:55 PM
....p/s : I read two interesting posts from someone yesterday criticizing this country, citing the plane tragedy is the karma of the fascist regime, etc. I failed to understand what is the MH0017 tragedy got to do with this present 1gomen leadership, let alone karma... !!

Yes, There was one person who spewed unrelated nonsense on this thread .... I have already taken care of it and moved that part out to the Moderation area - go there and find out for yourself

kuma
19-07-2014, 11:21 PM
While we await further news updates on 'Who Did It?'......Something related to read.......& ponder.....

Cui bono? >>>Click Here To Read<<< (http://goo.gl/xHDpmU)

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 12:32 AM
I only know the father. And I would fly MAS again; if the time, price, connection is right.

Me too... despite my criticism of the airline management and some specific performances by the staff... it is still a better airline than many...

bslee
20-07-2014, 12:42 AM
it is still a better airline than many...

Yes, MAS was or is supposed to be a "premium" airline with high standard of services and attention, unlike those "air buses" with no frills and just transport you from point A to point B....not much different from our local bas express..e.g. KL to Kuantan or JB.. Of course everything comes with the price. In those days if you can fly.. hoh pa pai wor!...

Anyhow..NOBODY expected this plane to be shot down..its nearly impossible or so anyone can think...its NO FAULT of MAS..NOBODY wanted this to happen..except that ARSEEHOLE who pressed the missile launch button to shoot it down.. May God have NO MERCY on that arse and they burn in HELL for all eternity. Its not good for me to curse anyone but I feel that irresponsible individual or group DESERVE IT through and through!
I feel UN should invade that place with full force and bring those perpetrators to justice. I'm cocksure the world wants justice on this.

HTCHONG
20-07-2014, 01:05 AM
Schiphol airport is my favorite airport when I travel to Europe. It is a transit hub to the surrounding countries. I normally will chose KLM from KL to Amsterdam and then take a connecting flight to the destination. I will take a return KLM flight from the airport in the last European city I travel. This is one of the reasons I don’t choose MAS as they have limited flight destinations in Europe compare to KLM and Lufthansa.

I think most flight paths from KL to Europe enter the Ukraine airspace. I remember I saw the word Ukraine on the onboard screen during the flight.

If you look at the following chart, in fact, KLM (KLM Asia Livery?) used 24 times and MAS (48 times) were not the most frequent users of the conflicting route. SIA used 75 times for the past 7 days second to Aeroflot (86 times) before the tragedy happened on 17 Jul.

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/HTChong/Mobile%20Uploads/image-726883-galleryV9-foii_zpsedf67d27.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/HTChong/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-726883-galleryV9-foii_zpsedf67d27.jpg.html)

Now, what puzzle me the most is that the militant on the ground should aim the IFF device (Identification Friend or Foe) on the passing planes especially when the planes are CRUISING at altitude of about 10Km. By right MAS plane should send a 4-digit code to the IFF device to indicate as “friend” since this is a civilian plane. As I mentioned earlier, before the missile is launched, it needs at least 2 keys of activation.

Also, the moment when the tragedy happened, both SIA (SQ351) and Air India (AI113) were about 25km away from MH17. Now, why the militant choose to shoot MAS instead of the other 2 planes? I suspect something could have gone wrong with the 4-digit code received by the IFF device.

These are the questions need to be answered by many parties and the investigation team.

bslee
20-07-2014, 01:18 AM
Also, the moment when the tragedy happened, both SIA (SQ351) and Air India (AI113) were about 25km away from MH17. Now, why the militant choose to shoot MAS instead of the other 2 planes? I suspect something could have gone wrong with the 4-digit code received by the IFF device.
These are the questions need to be answered by many parties and the investigation team.

It could be some blooming idiot uneducated ignorant barbaric terrorist at the controls....just shoot and whatever unfold..unfold. Rebels aren't exactly like a fine tuned regular army in defence of a nation..they can consist of all sorts of idiots and asses that only know how to kill in cold blood. Probably not very far from all those rebel or killer groups in Africa wreaking havoc. What's done is done..its very very sickening and tragic.

USJ27Resident
20-07-2014, 01:34 AM
Hello, USJ27Resident, I sincerely hope you are still around, safe and sound!!:confused:

Thank you for your concern..... :) Still around - safe and sound..... but depressed as sh!t..... :(

July 2014 is supposed to be a celebration of sorts for having spent 25 years of service with the airlines.... now after the loss of MH370 and again, the downing of MH 17.... celebrations has no meaning with the loss of 27 colleagues/friends that I've known for many years - within 4 months.

Mebbe it's time to quit.....

bslee
20-07-2014, 01:55 AM
When you're up in the air anything from 10k feet above without any parachute, even then its no guarantee, anything can happen. Airplane passengers or crew are not supplied parachutes anyhow..you just pray you reach safely! Life can be so uncertain.. sigh!

besitai2007
20-07-2014, 09:24 AM
Why some religious bigots are blaming the disaster on MAS as divine punishment for serving alcohol on its flight? Come on! Most airlines serve alcohol to international passengers as they ply routes with passengers from other countries.

Naka
20-07-2014, 09:27 AM
Thank you for your concern..... :) Still around - safe and sound..... but depressed as sh!t..... :(

July 2014 is supposed to be a celebration of sorts for having spent 25 years of service with the airlines.... now after the loss of MH370 and again, the downing of MH 17.... celebrations has no meaning with the loss of 27 colleagues/friends that I've known for many years - within 4 months.

Mebbe it's time to quit.....

Thank you for your response.

I understand a few crews are apprehensive about flying now that 2 planes were loss and are having aerophobia.

Yes, it is a very sad 4 months indeed.

ng
20-07-2014, 09:55 AM
.

Mebbe it's time to quit..... [/I]

I don't think its wise to quit.

You might hop over to Airasia though.

besitai2007
20-07-2014, 11:01 AM
My neighbour who is a MAS steward seems to be taking it ok but I would think most are thinking of changing jobs.

fRaNkY
20-07-2014, 11:13 AM
When you're up in the air anything from 10k feet above without any parachute, even then its no guarantee, anything can happen. Airplane passengers or crew are not supplied parachutes anyhow..you just pray you reach safely! Life can be so uncertain.. sigh!

Even from a not so tall building, TBH did not survive. What about from 33,000 feet without warning? :eek:

tupai
20-07-2014, 11:13 AM
Seriously, I wouldnt quit from a company that i have put in the best years of my life, esp not when I am happy with the colleagues, the pay,the package, the perks, the this & that benefit$ including many tutup1mata situations...:confused:

Now, Whether the company like for e.g. mas or even proton:mad: is a sick pathetic parasitic company operating an open season to your 1govt sanctioned looting is a separate matter (think of a past chairman who used the co $ to buy million$$ paintings (where are they now?) for his (again) re-renovated office to grossly inflated suppliers' pricing to petty theft by staff from top to janitor...:mad:

So if i was in MAS, why should i quit when my pay still goes in every month despite my company XMALU running hundreds of million$ in lo$$e$ every year and have again XMALU used the same broken record "the turnaround, the good and profitable time are just around the corner..."
My bitch is that MY tax monies are being used to sustain corrupt, inefficient, mismanage GLCs :mad: when MY same tax monies can be used for say, schools, community hospitals, homeless feed, recruit & pay for more st8,God/Allah/Jesus fearing cops, save the elephants, etcetcetc...:)

maybe bcos your 1govt is so small & insignificant in the world's eyes, so inefficient, so corrupt, so many skeletons in closet:mad: that whoever fired that missile thought it is better mas than another airlines (which had used and using the same flight path...) just so to blame each other (e.g. usa, kiev, eastern separatist, moscow etc) in a bigger power play.:confused:

Yang Benggang TIUxlatotupai:mad:

p/s a fellow ss17 community volunteer & leader lost a rellie. He was the inflight supervisor..Al fatihah. A friend no doubt of USJ27r..

tan_r
20-07-2014, 11:14 AM
Why some religious bigots are blaming the disaster on MAS as divine punishment for serving alcohol on its flight? Come on! Most airlines serve alcohol to international passengers as they ply routes with passengers from other countries.

And there are also some who attribute this to the persecution of a certain religion. The bigots are everywhere. They are all over, even among us - sad to say. They will very often want to have the last word. Let them be. Ignore them. Why give them the space here?

fRaNkY
20-07-2014, 11:19 AM
Also, the moment when the tragedy happened, both SIA (SQ351) and Air India (AI113) were about 25km away from MH17. Now, why the militant choose to shoot MAS instead of the other 2 planes? I suspect something could have gone wrong with the 4-digit code received by the IFF device.

These are the questions need to be answered by many parties and the investigation team.

Would soviet equip hv IFF? The plane is under Kiev control at that moment.

BUK would need radar to track the plane as it is difficult to track a moving plane at 33k feet. Who hv BUK? Knows how to use BUK, have radar? Or who supplies the equipment?

kuma
20-07-2014, 12:05 PM
SOME UPDATES....

As to concrete evidence 'regards to Who Dun It' could takes months to surface.....

WSJ is revealing some intriguing info.....

'Ukraine Knew of Separatists' Air-Defense Capabilities' >>>Read Here@WSJ<<< (http://goo.gl/Ifcewy)

This "disclosure deepens the mystery of why Ukrainian aviation officials failed to entirely close off the airspace"......considering that on July 14 rebel separatists "shot down a Ukrainian military Antonov An-26 flying at 21,000 feet."

----------------------------------------

And BTW, MAS has denied this [report below]......

'Senior pilots and cabin crew flagged concerns about flight path weeks before tragedy'......>>Read@DailyMail<< (http://goo.gl/N8SLwj)

MAS Spokesman's denial as reported by M'sian Insider >Here< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/british-tabloid-tells-of-shift-swap-by-worried-mh17-crew)

bslee
20-07-2014, 12:13 PM
For those rebels, it cannot be categorized as "Air Defense" anymore. Its so far been used in act of aggression and perceived criminal purposes. Air Attack System it is.

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 01:31 PM
If a Prime Minister is not lembik and is a strong leader - as he had desperately tried to tell us via his Germany lawan Brazil semifinal example - then he would have by now landed somewhere in Amsterdam in his newly-painted Airbus 319 and discuss with the Prime Minister of Netherlands to table an emergency resolution in UN Security Council to send in a peacekeeping force to secure the crash site to facilitate investigations. I am sure US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power plus Indonesian President and Aussie PM would back him up... tetapi ini hanya mimpi saja karena dia lembik...

Nah... look for yourself... cat baru lagi...

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HTCHONG
20-07-2014, 01:45 PM
Would soviet equip hv IFF? The plane is under Kiev control at that moment.

BUK would need radar to track the plane as it is difficult to track a moving plane at 33k feet. Who hv BUK? Knows how to use BUK, have radar? Or who supplies the equipment?

According to some military experts, they believe the Russian made advanced surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, SA-17, was deployed by the militant.

SA-17 can engage aircraft at anywhere from altitude 32,000 to 78,000 feet. This is radar guided with transponder aware system, meaning, the system can detect if it is targeting at commercial airliner. Civilian airlines, like MH17, are constantly broadcasting 4-digit IFF code. Hence, I strongly suspect something could have gone wrong with the IFF code.

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 01:53 PM
There is a report that suggested the SA-11 BUK SAM missile system can be launched by targeting at a target without the full radar system. Thus, it is believed that these militants fired the SAM without knowing it was a commercial airliner and that was why they panicked when they realised it was a MAS plane... as now it is criminal negligence and a war crime...

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269300

Henry T
20-07-2014, 01:59 PM
Sentinel,

Mr Lembik & Co are busy looking for imaginary enemies at home while the real threat comes from outside our borders. The real evils are out there and yet they can't see.

MH17 is gut wrenching.

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 02:02 PM
Sentinel,

Mr Lembik & Co are busy looking for imaginary enemies at home while the real threat comes from outside our borders. The real evils are out there and yet they can't see.

MH17 is gut wrenching.

I know... the IGP is focusing on a Korean lady who was photographed wearing a T-shirt with Islamic / Koranic verses she bought in India... see the kind of priority they have?

And Gerakan in Penang still belum habis-habis scolding CM Lim Guan Eng for parking in a No Parking lot in front of Time Square... no wonder lah kena kick out from Penang... let the poor fella park there lah coz he doesn't use a driver on Sundays and he's got a young son to handle too... and for God's sake he's a CM lah... kasi can lah...

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 02:10 PM
Notice how the Dutch PM did not even mention Malaysia?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/holland-warns-putin-on-last-chance-to-help-with-plane-disaster

He must be damn fed-up with Mr. Lembik Lembik so now Holland-Australia and UK striking together...

Henry T
20-07-2014, 02:44 PM
And Gerakan in Penang still belum habis-habis scolding CM Lim Guan Eng for parking in a No Parking lot in front of Time Square... no wonder lah kena kick out from Penang... let the poor fella park there lah coz he doesn't use a driver on Sundays and he's got a young son to handle too... and for God's sake he's a CM lah... kasi can lah..


What else can they talk about? Gerakan is like a drowning man clutching at straws. It will still drown.

kuma
20-07-2014, 03:52 PM
Notice how the Dutch PM did not even mention Malaysia?

He must be damn fed-up with Mr. Lembik Lembik so now Holland-Australia and UK striking together...

Yet again.....He's in a though position.....B'land pickup and dumped [intentionally or not?] into the new Cold War politico :eek:


http://youtu.be/NG2ci9CyiwI
"What'ca gonna do when they come for ya"

----------------------------------------------------------

"Holland-Australia and UK striking together"....

And they better Hurry!.....Time is running low :eek:

"BRICS matures, can turn into political alliance: Russian FM" >>>Read@Xinhua<<< (http://goo.gl/tbz7Ts)
[p/s - You can say this is unrelated - I think it has relevance though] ;)

"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes the BRICS mechanism has been fully developed and can now transform into a political alliance to "reform the international financial system."

Mercure
20-07-2014, 04:15 PM
What else can they talk about? Gerakan is like a drowning man clutching at straws. It will still drown.

Well, although this is unrelated to the plane tragedy... Did you see how this drowning man defeated a DAP rising star in a DAP territory recently ?? ;)

I am not a big fan of the 1gomen.... The way the component parties of PR handle the many issues in Selangor and Kelantan, and how some of them turn one size bigger after the victory is exactly what the 1gomen is looking for.

Maybe can spend some time analyzing - despite free buses provided and strong campaign, why majority of the voters in Singapore (Chinese youth who are traditional DAP supporters) still refused to come back to vote ??

HTCHONG
20-07-2014, 04:32 PM
Be warned before click: MH17 crash site, charred bodies among debris.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e5_1405626203

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e2_1405620105

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 04:35 PM
I thought I would see at least 50,000 UMNO Youth members surrounding the Russian Embassy after last Friday prayers but instead there wasn't even a whimper...

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/strange-malaysians-mute-over-those-behind-shooting-down-mh17

Henry T
20-07-2014, 04:55 PM
I thought I would see at least 50,000 UMNO Youth members surrounding the Russian Embassy after last Friday prayers but instead there wasn't even a whimper...

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/strange-malaysians-mute-over-those-behind-shooting-down-mh17

One must choose one's fight carefully mah. Russia is still a superpower. :D

Challenger
20-07-2014, 05:05 PM
I thought I would see at least 50,000 UMNO Youth members surrounding the Russian Embassy after last Friday prayers but instead there wasn't even a whimper...

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/strange-malaysians-mute-over-those-behind-shooting-down-mh17

Agreed. Very strange indeed. UMNO very quiet on this disaster. I wonder what happens if USA or China are the suspects.

1PM has no balls to do anything, unlike Dutch PM Mark Rutte and Australian PM Tony Abbot.

Sentinel
20-07-2014, 05:25 PM
Hillary Clinton, who said a week ago she might be ready to have "an office without corners" come 2016... has mentioned that the suspects are of the MH017 incident is most likely the Ukrainian separatists backed by the Russian sponsors. She said this two days ago on The Charlie Rose program... watch this here...

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Mercure
20-07-2014, 05:37 PM
Before US said a word on civilian plane being shot down by military-backed separatist. It would be good they look at the mirror and ask themselves – Why and how their Navy shot down an Iranian civilian plane in 1988... !!

A U.S. warship ( USS Vincennes) in the Persian Gulf mistook an Iranian civilian plane for an attacking Iranian F14 fighter plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat-seeking missile. All 290 persons onboard the A300 Airbus were perished. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

I just love history...

Henry T
20-07-2014, 05:59 PM
Before US said a word on civilian plane being shot down by military-backed separatist. It would be good they look at the mirror and ask themselves – Why and how their Navy shot down an Iranian civilian plane in 1988... !!

A U.S. warship ( USS Vincennes) in the Persian Gulf mistook an Iranian civilian plane for an attacking Iranian F14 fighter plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat-seeking missile. All 290 persons onboard the A300 Airbus were perished. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

I just love history...

Yes, I remember that incident. I also remember how Soviet jet fighters shot down Korean Air Jumbo flight KAL 007 which allegedly intruded into their sensitive airspace to spy for the Americans.

ng
20-07-2014, 06:00 PM
Agreed. Very strange indeed. UMNO very quiet on this disaster. I wonder what happens if USA or China are the suspects.

1PM has no balls to do anything, unlike Dutch PM Mark Rutte and Australian PM Tony Abbot.

Don't jump the gun.

Where's the proof that Russia shot down the plane ?

Mercure
20-07-2014, 06:31 PM
Yes, I remember that incident. I also remember how Soviet jet fighters shot down Korean Air Jumbo flight KAL 007 which allegedly intruded into their sensitive airspace to spy for the Americans.

Yup, these superpowers would play the role of righteous angel when their rival committed massive grave crime..

Naka
20-07-2014, 06:32 PM
The word 1PM used was MH 17 'clashed'

Whereas the media here uses strong words like 'blown out of the sky' or 'shot' or 'down by fire'

Big difference in the lingo

cskok8
20-07-2014, 07:52 PM
Don't jump the gun.

Where's the proof that Russia shot down the plane ?

Since when do these people need proof before "demonstrating"?

Challenger
20-07-2014, 08:20 PM
Don't jump the gun.

Where's the proof that Russia shot down the plane ?

Did I say Russia did it?

ng
20-07-2014, 08:42 PM
Did I say Russia did it?

Sorry. It was Sentinel who implied it by referring to the Russian embassy.

There are conspiracy going on, what is reported by media might not be true.

Until we get the full investigation, we'll know who is the real culprit.

Challenger
20-07-2014, 09:28 PM
Sorry. It was Sentinel who implied it by referring to the Russian embassy.

There are conspiracy going on, what is reported by media might not be true.

Until we get the full investigation, we'll know who is the real culprit.

I agree with you. It could be the separatists. It could be the Russians. It could also be Russians operating the missile launcher in eastern Ukraine who did it. Or it could be Ukrainians trying to frame the Russians. All currently available info points to Russians supplying weapons to the separatists. Hence the current suspects are the Russians and separatists.

Perhaps someone will come up with a crazy hypothesis that it was Apanama who did it cos he wanted MAS shares to plunge so that his crony Sait Pokari can take over MAS cheaply, or that Anwar is to blame cos the pilot is a friend of a friend of a friend of Anwar.

Let's see if 1PM can prove his leadership. At this moment I haven't seen any leadership in him.

kuma
20-07-2014, 09:54 PM
There are conspiracy going on, what is reported by media might not be true.

Until we get the full investigation, we'll know who is the real culprit.

"conspiracy going on"...... You nailed it :)......Either way, a conspiracy has transpired,.....or is in the making ;)......Remember these words? "Never let a crisis go to waste" :rolleyes:

'Najib tak tidur 2 hari' >>Baca@MI<<

And YES!.....its strange, I mean regarding the 'silence of blame, i.e locally'.......Could it be 'political prudence'?......a 'reluctance to play ball in the New Cold War'.....OR worse, know 'something'?.... A 'lesson learnt' from MH370?

BUT, what's even stranger.....intriguing I'd say.....is the 'speed at which', some of our 'trusted local ALT MEDIA' websites seem quick to 'infer' on whom the blame should fall on.....and trying ever so hard to influence its readers. :rolleyes:......So 'unlike' their previous unbiased reporting;)......I Wonder Why?


Is, is, is it time already??:eek:....... 'Is The Rush On?'.......Geez, So there's little time left ;-)


http://youtu.be/hpSNWkYTYNI

ng
20-07-2014, 10:41 PM
I agree with you. It could be the separatists. It could be the Russians. It could also be Russians operating the missile launcher in eastern Ukraine who did it. Or it could be Ukrainians trying to frame the Russians.



There are four parties involved and not just two parties.

USA supports and supply arms to Ukraine.

Russia supports and supply arms to the rebels.

In a war zone, there can't just exist one party (the rebels) or else they will be fighting themselves which doesn't make sense ?

kuma
21-07-2014, 01:25 AM
Looks like MH's tragedies, has brought 'conspiracy theories' mainstream and to the forefront.....

UK's Mail Online updates and summarizes all the 'current conspiracy theories' on MH17 so far on the Net, into 1 report......

'The MH17 Conspiracy Theories Doing The Internet Rounds' >>>Read@Mail Online<<< (http://goo.gl/s2Pblc)

There's 1 they missed though....but that just came out today.....and I'd say, the most bizarre of all [todate]:eek:.....considering that its theorized by a well known HK based independent journalist too ;)

Naka
21-07-2014, 07:39 AM
The word 1PM used was MH 17 'clashed'

Whereas the media here uses strong words like 'blown out of the sky' or 'shot' or 'down by fire'

Big difference in the lingo

Correction..........should read as 'CRASHED' instead of 'clashed'

Naka
21-07-2014, 07:48 AM
So they have retired MH17 to MH19 since.

In MH17 & MH370, there are two 7s, maybe we should do away with the 7 in all MH flights and for better luck in future, do away 4 if any.

47 is bad and 74 is also bad in Chinese.

How?:D

besitai2007
21-07-2014, 08:22 AM
So they have retired MH17 to MH19 since.

In MH17 & MH370, there are two 7s, maybe we should do away with the 7 in all MH flights and for better luck in future, do away 4 if any.

47 is bad and 74 is also bad in Chinese.

How?:D

Remember the Boeing aircraft was a 777....three times worst? Retire all 777 or change their model number to 999 or 888? More ong?

HTCHONG
21-07-2014, 08:32 AM
Remember the Boeing aircraft was a 777....three times worst? Retire all 777 or change their model number to 999 or 888? More ong?

I guess “7” must be very “ong” for both Boeing & BMW….they have many models in their 7 series.

Boeing 717, 727, 737, 747, 777, 787…… & BMW 7 series is the most expansive range.:D

Naka
21-07-2014, 08:41 AM
Remember the Boeing aircraft was a 777....three times worst? Retire all 777 or change their model number to 999 or 888? More ong?

Hahahahaha, 777 to 999 sounds excellent, Boeing should take note of this

HTCHONG
21-07-2014, 08:47 AM
Hahahahaha, 777 to 999 sounds excellent, Boeing should take note of this

I know someone in Boeing, I will forward this suggestion to him. :D

Challenger
21-07-2014, 09:54 AM
Hahahahaha, 777 to 999 sounds excellent, Boeing should take note of this

I always try to date my documents 8, 18 or 28. Nice numbers. Lilian Too approved numbers.

Naka
21-07-2014, 11:14 AM
I know someone in Boeing, I will forward this suggestion to him. :D

Please do..:cool:..tell them, it's a matter of time from now.:D....when China takes over Boeing say in 10-30 years in time:heheheh:

Naka
21-07-2014, 11:15 AM
I always try to date my documents 8, 18 or 28. Nice numbers. Lilian Too approved numbers.


Most wise ppl do it:D

tupai
21-07-2014, 11:44 AM
Most wise ppl do it:D

HAHAHAHHA! :heheheh: REALLY Liddat then MAJORITY of the world's 6billion coolies are TRULY stupid lah!:heheheh:

Just put everything 8, 88, 888, 8888, 888888888888...already can be BOSS and no nid to work. HAHAHAHAHAAH!
liddat so simple, so easy I also 1, I mean PATTTT lah!:heheheh:

Yang Bernombor 8888888suckers ToonIstimewaUtamaXlatotupai:D

p/s So good and true meh? why then this lilian too also got opened then permanently closed shop lah???:confused:

Mercure
21-07-2014, 01:18 PM
.... It could be the separatists. It could be the Russians. It could also be Russians operating the missile launcher in eastern Ukraine who did it. Or it could be Ukrainians trying to frame the Russians. All currently available info points to Russians supplying weapons to the separatists. Hence the current suspects are the Russians and separatists.
.

Here is my version of “conspiracy theory”...

1. Russian-backed separatists shot down MH17.

2. Ukraine know the separatists are in possession of long range surface-to-air missile which can shoot down civilian plane above 35,000 ft.

3. However, Ukraine did not decalare the area as no-fly zone. The motive behind is obvious – They are waiting for a tragic disaster and then a global outcry on Russia who supported the separatists in east Ukraine.

Please take note, it is not the ICAO's duties to decalare no-fly zone. ICAO is not responsible for issuing warnings about potential dangers such as military conflicts. Whether the airspace is hostile for civilian planes is decided by individual country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/ukraine-crisis-airplane-icao-idUSL2N0PT16620140718

kuma
21-07-2014, 07:41 PM
Something to read this evening....

'What Happened to the Malaysian Airliner? — Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' >>>Click Here To Read<<< (http://goo.gl/qsllj8)
[Former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury for Economic Policy [under President Regan] and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal.]

"Just as the separatists and the Russian government have no incentive to shoot down an airliner, neither does the Ukrainian government nor, one would think, even the crazed extreme Ukrainian nationalists".....So Who Dun It?......Read More - Link Above

besitai2007
21-07-2014, 08:27 PM
We read from various sources which said that Air India flight was following the same route as MH17. Now Air India says it has changed its route 3 months ago! Who is lying! http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=325662:its-a-lie-we-stopped-3-months-ago-air-india-denies-its-flight-on-same-path-as-mh17&Itemid=2#axzz386bscKpU

And Malaysia being snubbed as Ukraine wants the Netherlands to lead investigations http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=325712:msia-not-considered-ukraine-wants-dutch-to-lead-mh17-probe&Itemid=2#axzz386eNxWL9

kuma
21-07-2014, 10:21 PM
This might take a while to reach the 'corporate media' [if at all] inc our trusted 'alt media' :)

BREAKING! THE RUSSIANS FINALLY RESPOND!

"The Russian Defense Ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago......."

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/07/Russian%20defense%20ministry%20screen%20grab.jpg

A long press conference by the Defense Ministry......with full details.....to long to summarize here so go read & watch video of conference at link below...

Some points....


RUSSIA HAS SPACE IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST
RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17
RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17
RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK - [And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17]




"In order to conduct an objective investigation....Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine" [Go read at link]

>>>Link To Read & Video @ ZeroHedge<<< (http://goo.gl/d15dvm)

>>Just Watch Video on YT<< (http://goo.gl/wB7uvZ) - [English Voice Over]

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BTW, :eek: MAS now flying over Syrian airspace :eek:>>says MI - Read Here<< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-airlines-flies-over-syrian-airspace)

kuma
21-07-2014, 11:51 PM
Update on above post....

An summary exert on the UAF jet near MH17....

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/07/Su%2025%20vs%20MH%2017.png
[ Screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash ]


“Ukraine jet was detected gaining height,.... distance from MH17 was 3 to 5km,” .......Russia asks for "explanation why military jet flying along a civil aviation corridor at same time / same level as a passenger plane".........."presence of Ukrainian AF jet confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center"

Quote:"RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible" - Asks "why hasn't the US explained this or shown it?" :eek:

Links to read in earlier post

kuma
22-07-2014, 12:58 AM
Yep....as expected, no one reporting on Russia's Response.....maybe Page 30 tomorrow :heheheh:

So......It's ON!

'Propaganda War Heats Up.....Obama In The Lead' >>Read@Bloomberg<< (http://goo.gl/QjVv3q)

I hope it doesn't get messy too soon....and hopefully our leaders pick correctly :eek:

Sentinel
22-07-2014, 01:14 AM
Battle for the minds... what is important now is in a few hours, the black boxes will be handed over and the 282 bodies arrive in Netherland via Hercules C-130 Transport plane from Kharkiv... PM Najib said he spoke to Alexandr Barodai - self-proclaimed leader of the Donentz region... not bad lah Najib...

p/s The Charlie 130 planes are in UN Blue livery so these must be the ones deployed to MALBATT 850 i.e. the Malaysia Battalion in Lebanon, ie the peacekeeping force shared with Brunei...

besitai2007
22-07-2014, 10:34 AM
Latest: planes's blackbox returned to Malaysia as part of agreement. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rebels-return-mh17-black-boxes-to-malaysia

kuma
22-07-2014, 12:40 PM
PM Najib said he spoke to Alexandr Barodai - self-proclaimed leader of the Donentz region... not bad lah Najib...


Yep! He did the 'Right Thing' :)

ng
22-07-2014, 12:54 PM
Quote:"RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible" - Asks "why hasn't the US explained this or shown it?" :eek:

Links to read in earlier post

There seems to be a conspiracy here, who tends to have the most benefits if Russia gets more sanctions from UN and international community starts helping Ukraine to get back rebel held Ukraine ?

There's your answer.... It's USA and Ukraine.

Sentinel
22-07-2014, 01:18 PM
There seems to be a conspiracy here, who tends to have the most benefits if Russia gets more sanctions from UN and international community starts helping Ukraine to get back rebel held Ukraine ?

There's your answer.... It's USA and Ukraine.

Such simple conclusion.... from such a complicated situation....

kuma
22-07-2014, 01:50 PM
Yep! He did the 'Right Thing' :)

'Political foes laud Najib on black boxes' >>Link@MKINI Free (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269536)

Kit Siang, Anwar even Ambiga praise PM :)

'Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak used "secret diplomacy" says SMH' >>>Read@MI (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/najib-used-hush-hush-diplomacy-to-seal-mh17-deal-with-rebels-says-smh)

Quote: While other world leaders blamed the separatists for their alleged hand in Thursday's crash, Najib had "cautiously refused" to join the chorus of blame, the paper reported."

Sentinel
22-07-2014, 03:00 PM
Maybe he spoke to his daughter's father-in-law in Uzbekistan (or was that Kazakhtan?) said "lu tolong sama gua, gua tolong sama lu"? LOL

kuma
22-07-2014, 03:31 PM
Russian Envoy To Malaysia Speaks


http://youtu.be/w8uJR7k4kkM

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Dr Paul Craig Roberts latest article......

'Guilt By Insinuation' >>>Click Here To Read<<< (http://goo.gl/bwP2LD)

"Why hasn’t Washington joined Putin in calling for an objective, non-politicized international investigation by experts of the case of the Malaysian jetliner?"

HTCHONG
22-07-2014, 04:29 PM
Even though I am not a fan of BN but I must say both Najib and Liow Tiong Lai did a job this time. ;)

Naka
22-07-2014, 05:00 PM
This MAS share is supposed to drop but no, it shot up today, up 3 cts & closed at 23cts.

bslee
22-07-2014, 05:04 PM
Even though I am not a fan of BN but I must say both Najib and Liow Tiong Lai did a job this time. ;)
SOKONG!.. personal political belief must be swept aside. I was praying they meet with swift success. Otherwise who else could handle the matter? Don't tell me Perk*** or IS** or some other jaguh around town?

besitai2007
22-07-2014, 05:16 PM
As I wrote before...my thousand bows to our PM for negotiating the deal. Well done! Bow: bow: bow:......bow

http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc389/th_17568_bow_122_389lo.jpg (http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17568_bow_122_389lo.jpg)

kuma
22-07-2014, 10:51 PM
So......It's ON!

'Propaganda War Heats Up.....Obama In The Lead' >>Read@Bloomberg<< (http://goo.gl/QjVv3q)


'US RESPONDS'

'Releases Alleged Evidence Of MH17 Missile Trajectory'>>>Click Here To Read More<<< (http://goo.gl/DWLmUs)


'The 'information war' is hotting up' ;-).....'US released a satellite trajectory map of what it says was the flight's path and the site from which the missile was shot."

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/07/20140722_MH17_0.jpg

kuma
22-07-2014, 11:53 PM
Now that they didn't get their hands on it......

'MH17's Black Box USELESS?' >>>Read@MailOnline<<< (http://goo.gl/lQMTRb)

Quote: "Anything contained in the recordings from the black boxes on flight MH17 would be 'absolutely useless', experts have told MailOnline."

"The most is an explosion [is that a sound of?], and there’s nothing that could prove useful" - said the past president of the Royal Aeronautical Society......"There is information the recorders were in their hands all these days and they did certain things to them." said Ukraine DPM

Its amazing how every bit of info can be spun these days ;)

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Somewhat related.....

US Airlines begin cancelling Flights To Israel as Rockets Land Near Ben Gurion Airport >>Read@CBS<< (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/22/delta-cancels-all-israel-flights-over-missile-fear/)

So I suppose this will give them a 'greater right to act' now......another couple of hundreds of Palestinians to bombed i think......SAD:mad:

ng
23-07-2014, 12:10 AM
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/MH17-Russian-Ambassador-on-attack/

Russia ambassador claim

Rebels doesn't have the equipment to shoot down plane
The audio recording was 'doctored' and recorded before the crash.

kuma
23-07-2014, 01:23 AM
UPDATE..

The scuffle for those Black [but actually Red] Boxes continues......:)

'DUTCH WANT BLACK BOXES ANALYZED IN UK.....UK PM AGREES' >>>Read Here<< (http://goo.gl/y3vCzb)

Now that the Boxes are in....".....There was 1 question - Which impartial entity and/or country would be tasked with an objective retrieval and analysis of the contents. We got the answer courtesy of none other than UK Prime Minister David Cameron"

But they are in M'sian hands.....Shouldn't it be our PM who decides? ;-)

ng
23-07-2014, 01:29 AM
UPDATE..


Now that the Boxes are in....".....There was 1 question - Which impartial entity and/or country would be tasked with an objective retrieval and analysis of the contents. We got the answer courtesy of none other than UK Prime Minister David Cameron"

But they are in M'sian hands.....Shouldn't it be our PM who decides? ;-)


UK (and Australia) are USA strong allies so I don't think they can be guaranteed to be objective.

It's best that a neutral party like Malaysia or Holland conduct it since they are the most affected.

ng
23-07-2014, 08:58 AM
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/23/Joint-teams-screen-and-tag-bodies-Netherlands-and-Malaysia-working-together-to-identify-victims-of-c/

Relatives giving DNA samples to identify victims.

Does anybody know where we can get inexpensive DNA testing in Malaysia ?
How much does it cost ?

kuma
23-07-2014, 11:44 AM
UK (and Australia) are USA strong allies so I don't think they can be guaranteed to be objective.

It's best that a neutral party like Malaysia or Holland conduct it since they are the most affected.

Qoute: "It's best that a "neutral party like <del>[Malaysia or]</del> Holland" conduct it .":laugh:

Finding a truly neutral party in today's new world is a tough one...... ;)

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So the propaganda war is cooling? ;) Wonder what transpired back door? :eek:

"US State Department "Confident" MH17 "Mistakenly" Downed By Separatists, Finds No Direct Link To Russia" >>>Read Here<<< (http://goo.gl/WXqcb7)

kuma
23-07-2014, 12:00 PM
For the 'techie' types amongst us......:)

How The 'BUK System' Works


http://youtu.be/p36RsxJ25yA

HTCHONG
23-07-2014, 12:31 PM
Now that they didn't get their hands on it......

'MH17's Black Box USELESS?' >>>Read@MailOnline<<< (http://goo.gl/lQMTRb)

Quote: "Anything contained in the recordings from the black boxes on flight MH17 would be 'absolutely useless', experts have told MailOnline."

"The most is an explosion [is that a sound of?], and there’s nothing that could prove useful" - said the past president of the Royal Aeronautical Society......"There is information the recorders were in their hands all these days and they did certain things to them." said Ukraine DPM

.....

"Absolutely Useless?! "....I don’t think so.

When they first mentioned about 2 jet fighters were flying close to MH17 before Russian announced it yesterday. I was skeptical about the earlier statement made and my first question was that why the 2 jet fighters flew close to a civilian plane? That was the reason I keep mentioning about IFF code in my earlier posts which the militants on the ground may mistaken as “foe” and hence triggered the missile.

With the black box, we are hoping to find out whether was there any communication established with the jet fighters? If yes, at least we must know what was their last conversation.

By the way, the jet fighters were there for about 3 minutes before MH17 got kaboom! Compare with civilian plane, the jet fighters can easily maneuver to avoid heat sensitive missile.

cskok8
23-07-2014, 12:53 PM
Those missiles are radar-guided. One of them took out a USAF F16 over Bosnia in the 90s.

Sentinel
23-07-2014, 03:23 PM
The jet fighters belonging to the Ukraine government led the B777 to the missile and sent a wrong IFF code and thus the SUK missile was fired? Wow, this is like The Bourne Identity already Part IV....

kuma
23-07-2014, 03:55 PM
"Absolutely Useless?! "....I don't think so.

When they first mentioned about 2 jet fighters were flying close to MH17 before Russian announced it yesterday. I was skeptical about the earlier statement made and my first question was that why the 2 jet fighters flew close to a civilian plane? That was the reason I keep mentioning about IFF code in my earlier posts which the militants on the ground may mistaken as 'foe' and hence triggered the missile.

With the black box, we are hoping to find out whether was there any communication established with the jet fighters? If yes, at least we must know what was their last conversation.

By the way, the jet fighters were there for about 3 minutes before MH17 got kaboom! Compare with civilian plane, the jet fighters can easily maneuver to avoid heat sensitive missile.

So feedback and links to read for more info....:)

First off a video - AP reporter Matt Lee questions US State Department Spokesperson regarding those 2 Ukrainian jets shadowing MH17.

'U.S. ADMITS ITS MH17 'EVIDENCE' IS BASED ON YOUTUBE CLIPS & SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS'

http://youtu.be/MhPwX8p9i5w


As for the question on why were Ukrainian jets close to MH17....

The Aviationist carries a report that 'All flights, including Malaysian B777, were being escorted by Ukrainian Su-27 Flanker jets over Eastern Ukraine' that day. [though most of the comments call this article - DisInfo :)] >>Link to Read Here<< (http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/21/su-27s-escorted-mh17/)

Amusing.....the jets were routinely 'escorting' [wonder how that would have helped?] all commercial flights.....and the MH17 Black Box would carry transcripts regarding that.......so would Ukrainian Air Traffic Control?

BUT.....'Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet' >>Read Here<< (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18/ukraines-security-service-has-confiscated-air-traffic-control-recordings-malaysian-j)

And no word from them as yet :eek:

Naka
23-07-2014, 04:01 PM
OK,ok, there were a few planes using the same flight plan & are not so far apart from each other.

Why pick on MAS?? ( I am against picking any plane to shoot it down)

Is it because MAS is easy to bully?:confused:

kuma
23-07-2014, 04:06 PM
The jet fighters belonging to the Ukraine government led the B777 to the missile and sent a wrong IFF code and thus the SUK missile was fired? Wow, this is like The Bourne Identity already Part IV....

You are not far off.....:heheheh:.....'More To Follow'.....'To Be Continued' ;)

'Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17'

"Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that".....>>>Read In Full Here<<< (http://goo.gl/QQW6S3)

Don't like to read.....Watch Video Then :D


http://youtu.be/CR5HtzbMy-E

kuma
23-07-2014, 04:21 PM
Why pick on MAS??

Is it because MAS is easy to bully?:confused:

Itching to give you my take on your Q......BUT, BUT.....No,La.....My answer will be too dense, too complex to be comprehended by the many.....net would be I'd be looking like Tanjong Rambutan material..... and probably end up sent there lo :D

You will find out in due course :).....though the answer may be shrouded and come in different forms, thus it may not be the apparent ;)

Edit...

BTW, Thought I add some music ;)

http://youtu.be/ntMzK0VLMAo

HTCHONG
23-07-2014, 04:29 PM
The jet fighters belonging to the Ukraine government led the B777 to the missile and sent a wrong IFF code and thus the SUK missile was fired? Wow, this is like The Bourne Identity already Part IV....

No?!

Read the following comment from “The Aviationist” ….

According to an authoritative source, two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 minutes before it was hit by one or more missiles.

There are still too many unanswered questions about the downing of Malaysia Airlines…. among them, one of the most important deals with the possible error made by the operator inside the SA-11“Gadfly” (“Buk”) TELAR (transporter erector launcher and radar) who did fire one or more missiles against a civilian plane.

Indeed, the operators inside the BUK could “read” the Boeing 777’s altitude and transponder (here it refers to IFF code) and could easily identify the civilian plane ……

Why did they mistake a large civilian plane for a smaller Ukrainian Air Force surveillance plane? .....

http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/21/su-27s-escorted-mh17/

Sentinel
23-07-2014, 04:42 PM
HTCHONG, I wasn't disputing you, I was merely asking a poser... for more answers... LOL :grin2:

kuma
23-07-2014, 07:17 PM
UPDATE

A good interview with analysis of the info available to date.....

'Michael Savage Interviews Paul Joseph Watson on MH17'
[Michael Savage is a American radio host of 'The Savage Nation', a nationally syndicated talk show and Paul Joseph Watson is with Info Wars online TV]


http://youtu.be/SZwChg_JmrI

Latest article from Paul Joseph Watson......

'U.S. Prepares to Blame MH17 Shoot Down on Ukrainian Army “Defector” >>>Read Here<<< (http://goo.gl/o6ffTm)

besitai2007
23-07-2014, 08:58 PM
Getting interesting pro-Russia militant admits his unit shot down MH17 to Italian news media http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pro-russian-militant-admits-to-shooting-down-of-flight-mh17-reports-italian

kuma
23-07-2014, 09:15 PM
Getting interesting pro-Russia militant admits his unit shot down MH17 to Italian news media

WoW!......In that case, looks like they are getting good at it......;)

LATEST: 'Rebels Shoot Down Two Ukraine Fighter Jets, Ukraine Defense Ministry Reports'

>>>READ MORE HERE<<< (http://goo.gl/TX58xp)

Quote ZH: "At this point it is beyond anyone to distinguish - 'truth from lies, from epic propaganda', so we won't even try. Here is the latest....." :D [read@link above]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtOgFFVIEAA-7lp.png:small

So comes the next question.....If the knew and believed that the 'separatist' had the capability to shoot down high flying jets - What were 2 of them doing flying around there? ;)

besitai2007
23-07-2014, 10:05 PM
Latest: Tansasia airplane crashes in Taiwan! Possible cause: Typhoon Matmo. Terrible year for the airlines industry!

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=2533674

kuma
23-07-2014, 10:31 PM
Gerald Celente asks 'Whats Going On With Malaysian Airlines?'

Gerald Celente on ABC Australia - July 20, 2014


http://youtu.be/Svyh8hfe930

kuma
23-07-2014, 10:36 PM
And here's how the Ukrainian Parliament [y'day] decided on the move to call up reservists and escalate the war :)


http://youtu.be/RvW2KzCpTHU

kuma
23-07-2014, 11:05 PM
Sorry.....3 posts in a row.....but this 1 is 'too good' not to have shared with you guys :)

'The selfish cowardice of Germany, France and Italy.......'>>>Read@DailyMail<<< (http://goo.gl/FB7Qvt)

Quote: "However, I believe that the stain of guilt extends to Germany, France and Italy, whose leaders have disgracefully done so little to bring the Russian leader and his fellow Kremlin gangsters to heel." :D

A strongly blunt and not exactly polite article from a popular MSM.......Looks like not much support from Europe"

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Edit

Some music to this post....A singer we will hearing a lot off in the future....a tribute to a great diva.....a great song ;)

Tessanne Chin - Last Dance (Live at the White House 2014)


http://youtu.be/qeUiq1ODKz8

If you thought Tessanne was good....here is link to her 1st single >Click Here< (http://goo.gl/ZvI0KP)

kwchang
24-07-2014, 01:51 PM
Find out about this headline posted 15 hours ago from the Associated Press
Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven

If you need to find out more, here is the link (http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-military-plane-carrying-bodies-malaysia-airlines-flight-134955191.html)

The AP site here (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dutch-military-plane-carrying-bodies-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-crash-lands-eindhoven)
If some of you are wondering what this is all about check this twitter (https://twitter.com/DenverChannel/status/491943919425306624)

Charbroiled
24-07-2014, 02:04 PM
Russia questions Ukraine and US. Full report here:

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-russia-questions-ukraine-and-us-over-malaysian-airlines-mh17-crash-in-eastern-ukraine-2004265

cskok8
24-07-2014, 03:32 PM
Find out about this headline posted 15 hours ago from the Associated Press
Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven

If you need to find out more, here is the link (http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-military-plane-carrying-bodies-malaysia-airlines-flight-134955191.html)

The AP site here (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dutch-military-plane-carrying-bodies-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-crash-lands-eindhoven)
If some of you are wondering what this is all about check this twitter (https://twitter.com/DenverChannel/status/491943919425306624)

There is a coma missing.

Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven

Naka
24-07-2014, 03:53 PM
There is a coma missing.

Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven


Hahahahaha, so true

kuma
24-07-2014, 04:09 PM
Something to read.....

'Did the Americans shoot down MH17?' by JOHN LING>>Read@MKini FREE<<< (http://goo.gl/Pp1XAs)
[JOHN LING is a Malaysian author based in New Zealand. You can find out more about him and his work at johnling.net.]

So,.....considering the tone and content of his previous articles on MK......I wondering if this is a case of Dis-Info ala Reverse Physiology :heheheh:

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More to read.....related news

'$200 per barrel oil if Russia sanctions escalate - Oxford Economics' >>>Read@Guardian<<< (http://goo.gl/zKKWuB)

"If the standoff with Russia and the West reaches a point where the EU has to completely cut trade with Russia, oil prices could soar above $200 per barrel, sparking a global economic crisis, says Adam Slater, senior economist at Oxford Economics."

Ah Ha......So that's what they are after :eek:

Sentinel
24-07-2014, 04:17 PM
Typical John Ling writing style - provocative and short and sharp... but no liao (no meat!)

Henry T
24-07-2014, 04:35 PM
There is a coma missing.

Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven


That comma sure makes a world of difference. :)

kuma
24-07-2014, 04:51 PM
'PILOTS HEARD UKRAINIAN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ORDER MH17 TO CHANGE ROUTE' by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | JULY 23, 2014

>>Read Here@InfoWars<< (http://goo.gl/0qNIfD)

"Pilots on Air India flying just 90 seconds behind MH17 heard Ukrainian air traffic control give the order for the doomed plane to change route minutes before MH17 was shot down"

Video from article as linked above


http://youtu.be/ND-4RgakhJw

Also reported in >'Times of India'< (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds-away-when-missile-struck-Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-MH17/articleshow/38702536.cms)

fRaNkY
24-07-2014, 05:40 PM
Plane from algeria missing!

USJ27Resident
24-07-2014, 07:00 PM
'PILOTS HEARD UKRAINIAN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ORDER MH17 TO CHANGE ROUTE' by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | JULY 23, 2014

Well... the CVR is with the authorities in UK.....

If anything - it records everything in the cockpit for the last 2 hrs before it stops recording completely.... We shall know soon enough...

kuma
24-07-2014, 07:00 PM
Plane from algeria missing!

Algeria airliner missing on Sahara route from Burkina Faso

>Read@BBC< (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28460625)

"Flight AH 5017 had 110 passengers and six crew on board, Spanish airline Swiftair, which owns the plane, said."

kuma
25-07-2014, 12:21 AM
Meanwhile.......So now what's gonna happen.....

'Ukraine's Government Collapses, PM Yatsenyuk Resigns'

>>>Read@WashingtonPost<<< (http://goo.gl/lAZjD5)

Quote ZH:
*PM YATSENYUK RESIGNS AS COALITION COLLAPSE
*WON'T CALL FOR A NEW COALITION
*RESIGNS BECAUSE GOVT LAWS FAILED TO PASS
*UKRAINE SPEAKER TURCHYNOV CALLS FOR INTERIM PREMIER

>>>ReadMore@ZH<<< (http://goo.gl/xWG1LM)

Sorry....Nothing on CNN or BBC sites to link too.....suppose they are waiting on the official spin :heheheh:.....But >our Star< (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/24/Ukraine-PM-resigns/) is carrying it :)

Naka
26-07-2014, 08:36 AM
Union wants MAS to stop flying over Syrian airspace

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/26/Union-wants-MAS-to-stop-flying-over-Syrian-airspace/

It's about time, more care & discretion should be taken by MAS

tupai
26-07-2014, 08:47 AM
Union wants MAS to stop flying over Syrian airspace

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/26/Union-wants-MAS-to-stop-flying-over-Syrian-airspace/

It's about time, more care & discretion should be taken by MAS

I was about to comment in another site that I put it squarely on the mas unions for not caring about its members flying over ukraine (esp more so when US & Uk etc airlines had already done so)...

My contention was that why should the unions or the members care at all? Why when the directors, management and possibly 90-95% of ALL the mas people/employees are both big & petty shenanigans, thieves, crooks sucking like parasitic leeches on MY tax monies!:mad: and all will just accept the dangerous flight paths like blur sotongs and herded cattles , and of course, tutup1mata to the di$crepancie$ as long as semo carm, halal or otherwise.:mad:

My sympathies go to the victims...yes, even to my many old friends who work in that parasitic company.

Yang Benggang TIUxlatotupai:cool:

Naka
26-07-2014, 10:51 AM
I was about to comment in another site that I put it squarely on the mas unions for not caring about its members flying over ukraine (esp more so when US & Uk etc airlines had already done so)...

My contention was that why should the unions or the members care at all? Why when the directors, management and possibly 90-95% of ALL the mas people/employees are both big & petty shenanigans, thieves, crooks sucking like parasitic leeches on MY tax monies!:mad: and all will just accept the dangerous flight paths like blur sotongs and herded cattles , and of course, tutup1mata to the di$crepancie$ as long as semo carm, halal or otherwise.:mad:

My sympathies go to the victims...yes, even to my many old friends who work in that parasitic company.

Yang Benggang TIUxlatotupai:cool:

I think flight plan is very important and this incident wakes up a lot of airlines

kuma
27-07-2014, 07:01 PM
1PM Scores Another Success! :)

As the 'Dutch experts cancel Ukraine crash site trip' citing "security concerns"......... >>Read@BBC<< (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28509522)

'Malaysia clears path for police ‘coalition’ to protect MH17 crash site' >Read@MI< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-helps-clear-path-for-police-coalition-to-protect-mh17-crash-site)

The M'sian govt scored another coup in dealing with pro-Russian separatists by negotiating an agreement for a multi-national police force to enter the crash site of MH17 in Donetsk"

Sentinel
27-07-2014, 08:14 PM
1PM Scores Another Success! :)

As the 'Dutch experts cancel Ukraine crash site trip' citing "security concerns"......... >>Read@BBC<< (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28509522)

'Malaysia clears path for police ‘coalition’ to protect MH17 crash site' >Read@MI< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-helps-clear-path-for-police-coalition-to-protect-mh17-crash-site)

The M'sian govt scored another coup in dealing with pro-Russian separatists by negotiating an agreement for a multi-national police force to enter the crash site of MH17 in Donetsk"

Looks like Sukhoi SU-30MM would be the choice vs Eurofighter Typhoon or F/A-18 Super Hornets... lu tolong gua, gua tolong sama lu...

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kuma
27-07-2014, 08:34 PM
Looks like Sukhoi SU-30MM would be the choice vs Eurofighter Typhoon or F/A-18 Super Hornets... lu tolong gua, gua tolong sama lu...

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Oh yeah! :) Butterworth has been kinda dull since The Wizard of Oz left :rolleyes:

Q: What you think? Shall we throw in a Sino-Ruskie Base as well? ;)

A: Oh OK, Why not? Now that we are already in the thick of the 'New Cold War'.....just add that on! :heheheh:

kuma
28-07-2014, 12:38 PM
Flying East This Week.....Just be mindful of this.....

'China Expands Live-Fire Gulf Of Tonkin Drill - Warns Of Massive Flight Disruptions'

'In a surprise announcement'........'in addition to scheduled naval drills'............."China expands military drills in the East China Sea"......plus it is "already conducting a massive live-fire drill off Gulf of Tonkin"

What’s different this time? China doing it in a more high-profile way,......... makes China appear to be....." raising military tensions,”

Quote: - "Chinese airlines were ordered to cut a quarter of their flights at a dozen airports, including two in Shanghai, because of “high frequency exercises".........."let's hope no Malaysian, Vietnamese, or Japanese Airline flight ends up mysteriously diverted over the live fire zone"....:eek:

>>>Read In Full@ZH<<< (http://goo.gl/9LsTWa)

kuma
28-07-2014, 05:31 PM
Dr.Paul Craig Roberts on 'US 'proof' social media propaganda - @RT Jul 28, 2014


http://youtu.be/ZrMG7VYnN8I

Sentinel
29-07-2014, 02:53 PM
MH17 was actually MH370... the bodies were decomposed according to the rebel leader.... read the new conspiracy theory here:

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=330222:busted-mh17-was-in-fact-‘lost-flight-mh370-incredible-new-conspiracy-theory-shocks&Itemid=2#axzz38q0LhmnJ

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kuma
29-07-2014, 03:21 PM
MH17 was actually MH370... the bodies were decomposed according to the rebel leader.... read the new conspiracy theory here:

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=330222:busted-mh17-was-in-fact-‘lost-flight-mh370-incredible-new-conspiracy-theory-shocks&Itemid=2#axzz38q0LhmnJ

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Bizarre Isn't It?

MC has been a little late in publishing this bit of the puzzle on their site,...... probably waiting on someone or some institution to debunk it.....no one has, as yet :eek:

Folks, we are entering the.....;)......'another dimension, not only of sight and sound but of MIND' :eek:

http://youtu.be/-b5aW08ivHU

Sentinel
29-07-2014, 08:14 PM
Almost another tragedy....

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-flight-mh136-stops-takeoff-to-avoid-crashing-into-another-jet

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besitai2007
29-07-2014, 08:52 PM
MH136 from Adelaide was told to abort take off to avoid colliding with on coming aircraft which was in landing mode. This time, it's Adelaide air controller's fault? Sheesh I was in that flight coming back from Adelaide in May this year! No "7" but "1 + 6 = 7"?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-flight-mh136-stops-takeoff-to-avoid-crashing-into-another-jet

Naka
30-07-2014, 07:38 AM
MH136 from Adelaide was told to abort take off to avoid colliding with on coming aircraft which was in landing mode. This time, it's Adelaide air controller's fault? Sheesh I was in that flight coming back from Adelaide in May this year! No "7" but "1 + 6 = 7"?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-flight-mh136-stops-takeoff-to-avoid-crashing-into-another-jet

Wah, looks like these numbers are calling for troubles, 1-3-6.... 3-7-0... 1-7...............soon will run out of number:eek:

jan tomaswaki
30-07-2014, 12:25 PM
Wah, looks like these numbers are calling for troubles, 1-3-6.... 3-7-0... 1-7...............soon will run out of number:eek:

Chinese believe 7 is the most unlucky number,7 day the death will come back to "visit" the family,7x7=49 days is the death....and many more.:(

Charbroiled
30-07-2014, 12:38 PM
Chinese believe 7 is the most unlucky number,7 day the death will come back to "visit" the family,7x7=49 days is the death....and many more.:(On the contrary, a friend of mine likes 7 so much saying it brings him luck, that his phone number consists mainly of 7! :D

tupai
30-07-2014, 01:15 PM
Chinese believe 7 is the most unlucky number,7 day the death will come back to "visit" the family,7x7=49 days is the death....and many more.:(

HAHAHAHAH. :heheheh: Jan..chinese???:heheheh: you CERTAINLY dont mean ALL chinese right?:confused:

so what is the Chinese belief in lucky number? which one from 0-9?:confused:

Yang Bernombo 4ekor TIUxlatotupai:p

Naka
30-07-2014, 04:30 PM
MH17: Australia focused on crash site not sanctions, says Abbott.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/30/MH17-Australia-focused-on-crash-site-Abbott/

Abbott talks sense after all trades between nations is a win win for both nations.

France, Germany, UK, EU, can't afford to limit trades between them & Russia.

Who will lose more?:confused:

Mercure
30-07-2014, 05:45 PM
MH17: Australia focused on crash site not sanctions, says Abbott.



Little tony tried to score political mileage during the MH370 search. He scored nothing as they couldn't find anything with their state-of-the-art "blue fin" underwater gadget except some acoustic waves generated by whales during mating... :heheheh:

Little tony also tried to play two-head snake between PRC and little Nippon. He embarrassed Australia by praising Japanese WWII military. What a shame for a country leader who doesn't respect the millions who suffered and died due to jap imperial army including thousands of Australian army. http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/tony-abbott-embarrasses-australia-by-praising-japanese-wwii-military-getting-on-the-sake-and-posing-for-crotchshot-photo-opportunity-9596793.html

Well, he may not know that his creditability and trustworthiness to PRC has gone missing forever, just like the missing MH370... He further pissed-off Russia by accusing Russia was the one behind the man-made tragedy without presenting any evidence.. !!

He is a liability to Australia, in my opinion.

The fact that PRC and Russia are silent over his remarks is not a good sign..... !! :eek:

USJ27Resident
30-07-2014, 10:40 PM
France, Germany, UK, EU, can't afford to limit trades between them & Russia.

Who will lose more?:confused:

Sickening..... :mad:

All I know is that 293 souls (INCLUDING 15 of my colleagues) lost their lives.... becos of this bullsh!t.... it was a Russian made missile... something one doesn't buy off the freaking shelf in a 7-11 store.... To the day I die.... I hope the f*** that pushed the button on that missile - will burn in hell for this murders.... :mad:

This whole wide world would be a better place if not for these bast***s called "politicians" .....

Sentinel
05-08-2014, 03:16 AM
Something I picked up from The Malaysian Insider readers' comments:

Another report says that the rebels were targeting a Ukrainian Sukhoi SU25 jet fighter which can fly at Mach 2 (1,400 mph or 2,300 kph) unlike the Boeing's 600mph (1,000 kph). The BUK system uses the SA11 missile whose speed is probably Mach 3 (2,100mph or 3,500kph). Fighters have their own onboard radar which can detect when enemy radar (as on the BUK vehicles) has "locked on to them). What could have happened is the following sequence:

1. SU 25 flies in the vicinity of MH17,at lower 25,000 ft altitude.

2. Russian separatists BUK system fires SA11 missile at the Ukrainian, to bring it down as they had successfully done in the past two months, together with an Antonov military transport.

3. Ukrainian fighter detects missile launch and immediately takes missile action, veering fast at Mach 2 past MH17.

4. whether the evasive action (sweeping past MH17) was deliberately done, to save itself, is not known.

5. The SU25's tactic is successful. The SA11 missile now locks onto the slower (sub-Mach) and larger target MH17, while SU25 speeds away, safe.

6. Seconds later, a proximity fuse on the missile sets off and it's 75kg explosive warhead explodes near MH17, sending shrapnel through the plane and causing explosive decompression.

7. The explosive decompression causes the almost immediate blackout of the pilots , crew and passengers. The plane gains speed as it dives, through loss of engine power. The weakened airframe cannot withstand the extreme strains and the plane breaks up in the air.

8. This seems the most likely scenario for the disaster. Any of the planes in the air could have been the victim. The presence of the Ukrainian SU25 fighter in the air was a "provocation" to the Russian separatists. The first responsibility is the Ukrainian Air Traffic Control in telling international airlines it was SAFE to fly at 33000 ft when it was not. The SA11 can reach 70,000 ft and rebels shooting down Ukrainian military jets made it unsafe for any civilian planes, as 6 airlines had determined for the past 3 months. The second level responsibility is MAS and other airlines, who should have made their own assessments(like 6 other airlines did) and stopped flying there.

Henry T
05-08-2014, 09:41 AM
The secret may lie in the communication between the Ukrainian ATC and MH17. The Ukrainian Authorities are not releasing it.

aursong
05-08-2014, 10:15 AM
The secret may lie in the communication between the Ukrainian ATC and MH17. The Ukrainian Authorities are not releasing it.

If so shouldn't be an issue... the communication should be in the blackbox...

Naka
05-08-2014, 11:17 AM
Right now, we do not know who did it in the first place.

There are a few theories but is yet to be proven.

Russia said No, China said check up first.

So why punish/apply sanction when you are not sure.

France is building 2 war ships for Russia right now. Will she stop works?

Germany has a lot of high techs sale on contacts with Russia. Will she stop works?

cskok8
05-08-2014, 11:18 AM
From what I can gather the SU25 is a ground attack plane similar to the American A10. It is NOT supersonic and has a ceiling of just over 20000 ft. If the missile has locked onto such a plane; I doubt it can shake it off. This same missile has taken out a F-16 over Bosnia before.

Naka
05-08-2014, 12:12 PM
Right now, we do not know who did it in the first place.

There are a few theories but is yet to be proven.

Russia said No, China said check up first.

So why punish/apply sanction when you are not sure.

France is building 2 war ships for Russia right now. Will she stop works?

Germany has a lot of high techs sale on contacts with Russia. Will she stop works?

UK has a lot of trades with Russia too. You think UK can afford to cut off trades?

Cameron to check arms export licences to Russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28424395

Henry T
05-08-2014, 12:19 PM
Sukhoi SU 25
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120404015215/acecombat/images/d/dc/ACAH_Su-25.jpg

kuma
06-08-2014, 12:20 PM
"Who was really responsible for the downing of flight MH17?......"

'Flight MH17 - What You're Not Being Told' >>>Click Here To Watch<<< (http://goo.gl/IsMVUs)

For Full Transcript and Supporting Evidence [WARNING: CONTAINS GRAPHIC VIDEO IMAGES]: >>Click Here<< (http://goo.gl/Se74R9)

LMei
07-08-2014, 09:37 AM
A friend of my bro-in-law (MAS crew) is a frequent traveller with MH. She is a Durian exporter specialising in Musang King. She travels all over the world with MH to attend her food exhibitions to promote durian to the world. We can consider her as Food Ambassador as well.

She was an ex crew of MH, my batchmate who flew several times with Sanjid in 737 days and she can still recall how Sanjid had help her during her flight and also because of Bee Geok's braveness. Now she want to stand up to support rather than to just grief. After 2 major incidents affecting MH 370 & MH 17, she want to participate in raising fund for MH crew next of kin.. So she came out with an idea..

She is offering to sell her Musang King mini mooncake (50g x 8pcs) for RM 88!!!!!! Original price is RM 128. 100% HALAL. Only marketed in Hong Kong.. She is making it available in Malaysia for this sole reason.. To raise fund for MH Crew next of kin. All money collected from the sale will be channel for fund raising!!!! She is putting aside 500 boxes for this cause. 100% of the sales will be channelled for fund raising!!!!

To all the generous people out there, how often you get to eat Musang King mooncake while doing charity.. So please.. Place your order now!!

Pls sms Anna Teo at 012 4092 038

Collection area:

No. 8, Jalan PJU 1A/13,
Taman Perindustrian Jaya,
Ara Damansara, Subang.

kuma
08-08-2014, 01:44 AM
MAS Shares to be Halted Today!...says Malay Mail

"to suspend its shares from trading on Friday" ..... “a pending corporate announcement”....."Khazanah is expected to pay a premium over Thursday’s closing price"

>Read@MM< (http://goo.gl/D62gDK)

Henry T
11-08-2014, 10:50 PM
Who actually shot down MH17?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Malaysian-press-charges-Uk-by-Alex-Lantier-Government-Corruption_Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-17_Putin_Russia-140809-576.html

ng
11-08-2014, 11:03 PM
Who actually shot down MH17?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Malaysian-press-charges-Uk-by-Alex-Lantier-Government-Corruption_Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-17_Putin_Russia-140809-576.html

I am not surprised.

Even before the investigation is completed and black box contents have been revealed, the US led countries imposed all types of sanctions on Russia. Is this logical for civilised countries ?

Russia has been made a scapegoat.

kuma
12-08-2014, 12:54 AM
Who actually shot down MH17?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Malaysian-press-charges-Uk-by-Alex-Lantier-Government-Corruption_Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-17_Putin_Russia-140809-576.html

Thanks for posting the link....though its 'old news' on the web.....I was unaware that NST was 'pushing' it.....interesting I'd say ;)

Here are some related articles on NST......there are more on NST site.

'MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene' >>>Read@NST<<< (http://goo.gl/WEwsqf)

'US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft' >>Read@NST<< (http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925)

Now my inquisitive mind is beginning to wonder......Why is only NST reporting this? These are not stories 'concocted' by them, they are already published elsewhere and also available on the web. If you take the above article, it quotes Associated Press and its reporter Robert Parry.....reliable source, right? So, what about our other favorite media? Especially the ones we read frequently online?......no mention at all?

Anyway, our Defense Minister has come out and said.....

'Flight MH17 unlikely shot down by fighter jets: Hishammuddin' >Read@NST< (http://www.nst.com.my/node/21682)

Damage Control? ;)

kuma
12-08-2014, 11:45 AM
You could take this statement issued by Ron Paul as 'BIG'.....but then, will anything come out of it?

Former US Congressman Ron Paul has come out with a statement which echos what has been published in NST.

[US] Government Likely Hiding Truth in Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash: >>>Read Ron Paul's Statement<<< (http://goo.gl/Yk59hb)

http://cdn.voicesofliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/5016239182_e58d8c9abf_z-350x196.jpg
[Image credit:Ron Paul Channel]

kuma
25-08-2014, 12:25 AM
'Russia Wants Regular, Transparent Reports on MH17 Crash Probe'>>Read In Full Here<< (http://goo.gl/k4hfSY)

“Investigation into the reasons of the catastrophe should be carried out under international control, should be all-encompassing and transparent for the wide international audience and mass media,” ........"The source stressed that the majority of Western media “seem to have been ordered to avoid the investigation issue for about two weeks.” ;)

Everything gone quiet now :eek:

Sentinel
25-08-2014, 12:51 AM
Ron Paul - subpoena the Black Block detailed analysis... you're a US government official... do it... and get to the truth!

kuma
25-08-2014, 01:55 AM
Ron Paul - subpoena the Black Block detailed analysis... you're a US government official... do it... and get to the truth!

Ron Paul is not a US government official.......he was a former US Congressman.....though his comments can bring on some attention to this tragedy.....nothing much else, in fact his frequent comments are not even reported in their MSM......the U.S today is no longer 'how you and I used to know it as' :eek:

Getting back to the MH17 investigation.....

What's interesting is.....there's a UN Security Council resolution [Resolution 2166]....."adopted by the UN Security Council in July which calls for a thorough and impartial investigation into the MH17 tragedy and requires the secretary-general to provide the Security Council with [monthly] investigation progress reports."

This resolution is signed by the Netherlands, the Aussies, Belgium and Ukraine.....surprisingly it seems B'land is NOT a part of this ;).......plus it seems that the signatories have a VETO on the information released......this is probably why Russia is demanding information to be released. [see link in earlier post]

The world is changing rapidly........there are many an attempt, in many an event of global tragedies, to restrict or spin the truth......all in an attempt to spur on conflicts.......be prepared, its all about tragedies ahead :eek:


http://youtu.be/9e1Lz829grk

kuma
25-08-2014, 01:13 PM
The world is changing rapidly........there are many an attempt, in many an event of global tragedies, to restrict or spin the truth......all in an attempt to spur on conflicts.......be prepared, its all about tragedies ahead :eek:


More at 'Stormy Year Ahead' Thread - >> Click Here To Go To Post #342 << (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?35985-Stormy-Year-Ahead!&p=585019#post585019)

"I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe" John 14:29

Naka
25-08-2014, 06:10 PM
After the double tragedies, 200 crew had resigned leaving another 3000 in service

kuma
25-08-2014, 09:48 PM
After the double tragedies, 200 crew had resigned leaving another 3000 in service

Route Cuts.....Thousands To Lose Jobs >>>Read@MI<<< (http://goo.gl/rZnj1B)

"The restructuring plan, due to be unveiled later this week, will include route cuts, as well as the loss of up to 5,000-6,000 jobs, according to the source, speaking on condition of anonymity."

In the meanwhile.....Russia is the only one inquiring on the progress of the MH17 investigation.

'Russian Foreign Minister Raps MH17 crash investigation' >>Read@MI<< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/world/article/russia-claims-mh17-crash-investigation-stalled)

"queried why the recordings from the plane's black boxes had not been released publicly and said he had the impression that "everyone else has lost interest in the investigation."

"said that those who had initially made "accusations verging on hysteria against Russia and the rebels" had now fallen silent and "seemed to have swallowed their tongues." :heheheh:

kuma
27-08-2014, 04:11 PM
Something to listen to for those who seek a through and detailed investigative report......

From Investigative Journalist James Corbett of The Corbett Report....

'MH17 FULLY EXPOSED - CRASHES OF CONVENIENCE' >>WATCH@YOUTUBE HERE<< (http://goo.gl/diZeuZ)

[Grab a coffee, its very detailed and is 1 hour long.....can skip the 1st 5 minutes of contributor acknowledgements]

Sentinel
28-08-2014, 10:44 PM
Subtle message from Malaysia Airlines...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/HKU1Kx9X0MM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

As long as you do not revamp and overhaul the entire management, hire on merits, cancel the catering contract of 20 years to Brahim Sky Chef and sack those expensive expats / consultants, people will not be taken in by a video campaign...

Henry T
29-08-2014, 08:11 AM
As long as you do not revamp and overhaul the entire management, hire on merits, cancel the catering contract of 20 years to Brahim Sky Chef and sack those expensive expats / consultants, people will not be taken in by a video campaign...

Which other airline in the world signs 20 year catering contracts? I guess there is always a first. :D

cskok8
29-08-2014, 02:16 PM
I thought it is 25 years.

Henry T
29-08-2014, 02:56 PM
We have a catering contract that outlasts the airline if not for the bailout. :D

kuma
29-08-2014, 03:57 PM
We have a catering contract that outlasts the airline if not for the bailout. :D

'Khazanah Nasional announced a RM6 billion plan'

"12-point plan will involve the formation of a new company (newco) to take over the assets and business of the old company (oldco) and a 30 percent or 6,000 jobs cut."

>Read More@MK< (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/273087)

So you think they'll pick the same caterers? ;)


http://youtu.be/xpsDE6KCY9s

"I just don't know what to do with myself
Don't know just what to do with myself
I'm so used to doing everything with you
planning everything for two
and now that we're through
I just don't know what to do"

Henry T
29-08-2014, 04:15 PM
'Khazanah Nasional announced a RM6 billion plan'

"12-point plan will involve the formation of a new company (newco) to take over the assets and business of the old company (oldco) and a 30 percent or 6,000 jobs cut."


What will the newco be called, eventually? Malaysia Air? Malaysia Airway?

kuma
29-08-2014, 04:25 PM
What will the newco be called, eventually? Malaysia Air? Malaysia Airway?

OneAir :)

Henry T
29-08-2014, 04:44 PM
OneAir :)

To be consistent it should be written as 1Air. :laugh:

Sentinel
29-08-2014, 05:08 PM
The key to the entire program is "LEGISLATION" ie legal protection via act of parliament from suits etc when they dismantle all existing contracts like Collective Agreements with the staff unions, catering contract with SkyChef, with the expat consultants etc... to be fair, I think it just might work because both Japan Airlines and Qantas took the same legal step when they went down many years back... damn.. a staff retrenched can't even file for constructive dismissal under the Employment Act Sect 20... take the package and weep silently if not happy, there's nothing you can do about it, you can't sue...

Desperate situation requires desperate solutions... I suppose Khazanah has no choice...

Sentinel
29-08-2014, 05:26 PM
The key to the entire program is "LEGISLATION" ie legal protection via act of parliament from suits etc when they dismantle all existing contracts like Collective Agreements with the staff unions, catering contract with SkyChef, with the expat consultants etc... to be fair, I think it just might work because both Japan Airlines and Qantas took the same legal step when they went down many years back... damn.. a staff retrenched can't even file for constructive dismissal under the Employment Act Sect 20... take the package and weep silently if not happy, there's nothing you can do about it, you can't sue...

Desperate situation requires desperate solutions... I suppose Khazanah has no choice...

Having said this, we must also not be blinded by all the hoo-ha... it is still a RM6 billion BAILOUT!!

Henry T
29-08-2014, 05:55 PM
The Khazanah honcho wants to retain the name. IMO, a fresh start should include a new name.

cskok8
29-08-2014, 07:15 PM
The Khazanah honcho wants to retain the name. IMO, a fresh start should include a new name.

Just call it MAS (Baru) then after one or two years change back to MAS

Sentinel
29-08-2014, 08:12 PM
Just call it MAS (Baru) then after one or two years change back to MAS

Wah... you learn from UMNO to UMNO Baru to UMNO pretty fast yah, doc.... :heheheh:

kuma
30-08-2014, 05:24 PM
'Why punish 6,000 MAS staff asks Anwar' >>>Read@MI<<< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/why-punish-6000-mas-staff-over-putrajayas-incompetence-asks-anwar)

"Whose fault is it? Why punish these guys, when those who committed the crime are given adequate compensation? ....."Have you ever thought for a second, what is the future of these 6,000 families? Was it their fault? Were they lazy, incompetent? the PKR de facto leader said today."

Henry T
30-08-2014, 09:41 PM
In their books a 250 million loan to one family in a failed cattle rearing project is well spent.

HTCHONG
31-08-2014, 12:39 PM
In their books a 250 million loan to one family in a failed cattle rearing project is well spent.

Some are not fit to be leaders at all. They are there because of connection.

Understanding people and recognising the value of human capital are critical factors to the success of an organization. A responsible leader extended his care beyond his family.

CapitaLand ex-CEO, Liew Mun Leong who was named Asia’s Best Executive said this... “Bad times, good times – once you have the human capital, you can do a lot. If I get good people, even at bad times, they will be able to solve problems for the company.”

Sentinel
31-08-2014, 03:35 PM
Lim Goh Tong, patriarch founder of the Genting group, was quoted to have said:

"Gua takdak pi sekolah... tapi gua punya manager manager semua ada MBA..." mind you, this was in the 90s when MBA was rare and expensive talents to hire....

I think many people took this statement wrongly as a boast - when what Uncle Lim was saying is "get the best people to work for you"

tupai
05-09-2014, 05:35 AM
the mas flight to guanchou was half full..and the return leg was like 95% packed with loud speaking & highly irritating made-in-China-yokels! So, there went *poof* my grand design to peaceably snuggle up on a row of empties...:mad:

kuma
09-09-2014, 05:00 PM
Dutch Safety Board release 1st Preliminary Report on MH17 Crash.....First, BBC's take on report ;)

'MH17 crash: Dutch experts say numerous objects hit plane'

"Dutch experts say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "numerous objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".....A BBC correspondent says this evidence is consistent with the plane being struck by shrapnel from a missile." ;)

>>>Read@BBC Here<<< (http://goo.gl/jM6HFz)

Also at >M'Kini Free< (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/274132) and >M'Insider< (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/report-confirms-mas-flight-mh17-pierced-by-many-high-speed-objects)

And, for those who must have the 'original' Dutch Report - >>Download PDF Here<< (http://goo.gl/uMcL6t)



Back to MH17 crash site: Parts still there, early probe results

http://youtu.be/jKjsx4-b3r8

aursong
09-09-2014, 05:10 PM
CapitaLand ex-CEO, Liew Mun Leong who was named Asia’s Best Executive said this... “Bad times, good times – once you have the human capital, you can do a lot. If I get good people, even at bad times, they will be able to solve problems for the company.”

If you get bad people, even at good times, they can cause problems for the company... :laugh:

kuma
09-09-2014, 07:51 PM
Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic:

“I can say only one thing: We simply do not have the military hardware capable of shooting down a Boeing passenger jet..." >>Read@MM<< (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/despite-dutch-report-rebels-insist-did-not-have-weapons-to-down-mh17)

kuma
10-09-2014, 04:45 PM
Bill Still Report - Sept 9 2014 - Who Shot Down MH17?

He discusses the keyword in the carefully worded Dutch Report - 'High Energy Objects' - Watch ;)

Quote from video: "I say all this because I must admit I was probably wrong in believing the West's version on the crash of MH17"


http://youtu.be/xaYY6TA-axg

kuma
18-09-2014, 12:15 AM
Now this is intriguing......;)

'Who shot down MH17? $30,000,000.00 reward for information on offenders'

So the story goes like this......A German Fraud Investigation Company has been charged with investigating the crash of MH17 and for information on the shooting down of the airliner MH17, - an anonymous client has offered 30 million dollars reward :eek:

Reported by a German News portal both in German and English [scroll down site for English version]....there are details of the Company, and phone numbers should anyone want to authenticate this/ or call with info ;)

>>Click Here For The Details<< (http://goo.gl/bJwwAi)

Update:

>>As Announced on the German Fraud Investigation Co. Site - Wifka - in English<< (http://goo.gl/wvdlAh)

Authentic? This just broke online, but.....With a $30M bounty, we will soon know..... ;)

And Oh, BTW, Quote: "Wifka's client offers to give the whistle-blower a new identity". :D

Sentinel
18-09-2014, 04:02 AM
25 years ago... nostalgic... it was one of the world's best-run airlines back then and we were all so proud.... what happened MAS?

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Naka
19-09-2014, 04:51 PM
I just saw a Whatsapp news that:-

MH flight forced into emergency landing after flying over Icelandic volcano

True kah?

Naka
19-09-2014, 05:36 PM
I just saw a Whatsapp news that:-

MH flight forced into emergency landing after flying over Icelandic volcano

True kah?

Just saw.................fake news:mad:


http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/mas-condemns-news-report-author-stories-alleged-flight-over-iceland-

Sentinel
19-09-2014, 07:52 PM
In the meantime....

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/09/19/garuda-named-best-airline-australasia-second-successive-year.html

cskok8
19-09-2014, 08:07 PM
Just saw.................fake news:mad:


http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/mas-condemns-news-report-author-stories-alleged-flight-over-iceland-

Is it supposed to be flying Paris to New York? I don't think ANY MAS aircraft has EVER flown over Iceland

Naka
20-09-2014, 06:32 AM
Last night, 11pm, I had to book a MAS flight to the little dot for a friend and after 6 attempts I gave up because there was some problems somewhere.

So I said to myself, do it first thing in the morning.

When I woke up early this morning, I tried all over again.

1st attempt....failed..this came up...MAS internal problem..try again later ......call 1300 88 3000 for local.

After 30 min, I tried again.

Same problem as my 1st attempt.....failed.

Then as usual, I checked my email.

There were 2 MAS bookings ....same passenger.....going to the little dot....same time...same plane....and I checked my credit card...both bookings were charged.

Can you believe this??

What a start to a raining Saturday in KL!!

Corinthia
20-09-2014, 12:13 PM
Last night, 11pm, I had to book a MAS flight to the little dot for a friend and after 6 attempts I gave up because there was some problems somewhere.

So I said to myself, do it first thing in the morning.

When I woke up early this morning, I tried all over again.

1st attempt....failed..this came up...MAS internal problem..try again later ......call 1300 88 3000 for local.

After 30 min, I tried again.

Same problem as my 1st attempt.....failed.

Then as usual, I checked my email.

There were 2 MAS bookings ....same passenger.....going to the little dot....same time...same plane....and I checked my credit card...both bookings were charged.

Can you believe this??

What a start to a raining Saturday in KL!!


After paying $$$ you don't get the service but get strings of problem, this is very frustrated indeed.

I have no patience with this kind of nonsense. I get a travel agent to do all the on-line bookings for hotel accommodation, flight tickets, train tickets, opera/musical tickets and restaurant reservation. Just pay extra 4-5% on top of the online price and you get peace of mind.



p/s : Sometimes, the travel agent can do wonders (maybe due to their personal rapport with the people from the other side). I once asked for cancelation of hotel located in outskirt of Reims but the room rate was the non-refundable type. I canceled the room booking because initially I thought I can stayed in outskirt by renting a car and drive to town but I overlooked the fact that the vehicle in France is left-hand drive. Although France allows right-hand car on the road (most of them are UK travelers coming in by ferry), it is difficult and stressful to drive a left-hand drive vehicle. My travel agent managed to get the money back in full which was a surprise to me.

Naka
20-09-2014, 04:35 PM
After paying $$$ you don't get the service but get strings of problem, this is very frustrated indeed.

I have no patience with this kind of nonsense. I get a travel agent to do all the on-line bookings for hotel accommodation, flight tickets, train tickets, opera/musical tickets and restaurant reservation. Just pay extra 4-5% on top of the online price and you get peace of mind.



p/s : Sometimes, the travel agent can do wonders (maybe due to their personal rapport with the people from the other side). I once asked for cancelation of hotel located in outskirt of Reims but the room rate was the non-refundable type. I canceled the room booking because initially I thought I can stayed in outskirt by renting a car and drive to town but I overlooked the fact that the vehicle in France is left-hand drive. Although France allows right-hand car on the road (most of them are UK travelers coming in by ferry), it is difficult and stressful to drive a left-hand drive vehicle. My travel agent managed to get the money back in full which was a surprise to me.

Hahahaha, I haven't use a Travel Agent for a long time. Can't afford them.:(

I say LHD is not really that difficult...you have only the first 5 km to smooth it out and get the hang of it:D

Corinthia
20-09-2014, 10:40 PM
Hahahaha, I haven't use a Travel Agent for a long time. Can't afford them.:(

I say LHD is not really that difficult...you have only the first 5 km to smooth it out and get the hang of it:D

You can't afford travel agent ?? Common, it is cheaper than the water bills of your big garden down under la !! :D

LHD is strictly NO NO in Reims for me. You see, people go there to discover, to appreciate and to taste a type of fermented bubbly, sparkling "fruit juice"... Imagine the French police saw me zig-zag from left to right and then right to left, with strong evidence of consuming this fermented fruit juice, how ?? :eek:

bslee
21-09-2014, 12:57 AM
Imagine the French police saw me zig-zag from left to right and then right to left, with strong evidence of consuming this fermented fruit juice, how ?? :eek:

Excusez-moi.. Je suis de la Malaisie! OR you could get away with Watashi wa marēshia!

Naka
21-09-2014, 05:47 AM
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You can't afford travel agent ?? Common, it is cheaper than the water bills of your big garden down under la !! :D

LHD is strictly NO NO in Reims for me. You see, people go there to discover, to appreciate and to taste a type of fermented bubbly, sparkling "fruit juice"... Imagine the French police saw me zig-zag from left to right and then right to left, with strong evidence of consuming this fermented fruit juice, how ?? :eek:

Off Topic:-

Hehehe, get tipsy from sparkling fruit juice!:heheheh: surely u r better than that.

kuma
10-10-2014, 11:49 AM
An interesting analysis on Dutch Foreign Minister's accidental revelation, 2 days ago.....he had said on TV....

"They did not see the rocket coming, but you know someone was found with an oxygen mask on his mouth?”

"Suggesting some on board might have been aware of their impending deaths" :eek:

Best read in full >>>Click Here<<< (http://goo.gl/zR21d6)

kuma
27-10-2014, 12:10 PM
Watch this documentary, only 25mins long......with eyewitness accounts of what they saw that day....watch it, good!

Plus results of tests carried out by Russian Air Force on shots fired from an SU-35

Quote from video:
Commander Oleg [1st at scene with video from his phone]:.......Its a frightful site. It was hard just being here......The things I saw were horrible, just horrible. I wouldn't want anyone to see what happened here.:eek:

MH-17: The Untold Story - A New RT Documentary - >>Click Here to Watch On YT<< (http://goo.gl/QHdYRT)

"3 months after MH17 was violently brought down from the skies over Ukraine, there are still no definitive answers to what caused the tragedy." :eek:

kuma
28-10-2014, 05:23 PM
'Russia & Putin Committed to Help Solve MH17 tragedy'

Because still grateful to Penang 100 years on! :)

Russian Ambassador Lyudmila G. Vorobyeva [at commemoration, Western Road cemetery]: - "Russia will never forget this noble act and Penang will always have a special place in our hearts,"....."For that, we are forever grateful to Malaysians," she said :D

'Russia remembers Penang fishermen’s help, commits to MH17 investigations' >>Read More Here<< (http://goo.gl/GxltE2)

Diplomatic lingo often says more than the apparent obvious ;)