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Dervish
07-05-2014, 06:00 PM
This is surreal. Some of us are not allowed to say Rest In Peace which literally means "resting in peace" wherever you're going. The first time I saw RIP (as a kid) was in a Loh Foo Chee Chinese comics. The RIP was written on a tombstone. But RIP had Catholic origins. So does it mean that only Catholics can use the words?

In this time and age, why are we drawing circles to confine ourselves? Why are we claiming ownership over mere words?

"Oh My God!"

You heard that before? In some circles, that's a no-no. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. To do so, is blasphemy. I've heard my Muslim friends utter the "A" word when they're frustrated. I wonder if that's blasphemous too.

I wonder a lot these days. The world we're in is getting more confusing by the day. I have difficulty understanding Zing's posts, separating culture from religion, myths from facts, and not understanding why men with binoculars apparently had the endorsement to do what they did.

What about Happy Deepavali?

What about Gong Xi Fa Cai? ===> Wasn't this replaced by the politically correct "Selamat Tahun Baru Cina?" I received this greeting from the PM last year. None from him this year.

What about Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri?

When will those words become exclusive?

My Ma did not know as many words as I did. I'm pretty sure she's a lot less confused.

kuma
07-05-2014, 06:54 PM
But RIP had Catholic origins. So does it mean that only Catholics can use the words?


Its origins are not Catholic, however its "commonly found on the grave of Catholics, as it is derived from the burial service of the Catholic Church". Its origins date back to the 1st Century as in Latin 'Requiescat in pace' and is "found inscribed in Hebrew on gravestones in Bet Shearim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet_Shearim)"

The English phrase only "became common on the tombs of Catholics in the 18th century" The phrase is also used in numerous other languages like in Italian 'Riposi in pace'

....but I like the Dutch version best 'Rust in vrede' ;).....So, What's In A <del>Vrede</del> Word :heheheh:

Source:Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rest_in_peace)

Dervish
07-05-2014, 07:03 PM
Its origins are not Catholic, however its "commonly found on the grave of Catholics, as it is derived from the burial service of the Catholic Church". Its origins date back to the 1st Century as in Latin 'Requiescat in pace' and is "found inscribed in Hebrew on gravestones in Bet Shearim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet_Shearim)"

The English phrase only "became common on the tombs of Catholics in the 18th century" The phrase is also used in numerous other languages like in Italian 'Riposi in pace'

....but I like the Dutch version best 'Rust in vrede' ;).....So, What's In A <del>Vrede</del> Word :heheheh:

Source:Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rest_in_peace)


Sir, I stand corrected. :D

Dervish
07-05-2014, 07:13 PM
Just so you know. ~~~ Have you ever heard the one which goes "assalamualaikum"? And that other one which goes "Mualaikumwasalam"?

My Muslim friend (who had been to the Haj) once told me many years ago (long before the "A" word turned exclusive) that non-Muslims are not allowed to use the word. Dire consequences await those who ignored this warning. I couldn't get anything more out of him.

cskok8
07-05-2014, 09:05 PM
How about "Rot in Hell for all Eternity"

Sentinel
08-05-2014, 12:20 AM
Just so you know. ~~~ Have you ever heard the one which goes "assalamualaikum"? And that other one which goes "Mualaikumwasalam"?

My Muslim friend (who had been to the Haj) once told me many years ago (long before the "A" word turned exclusive) that non-Muslims are not allowed to use the word. Dire consequences await those who ignored this warning. I couldn't get anything more out of him.

Assalamualaikum is "Peace be upon you" in Arabic and its nothing religious at all... go look for your friend and ask him again to show you the proof its religious...

jacksonlim
08-05-2014, 12:31 AM
Assalamualaikum is "Peace be upon you" in Arabic and its nothing religious at all... go look for your friend and ask him again to show you the proof its religious...

I agree with you, I know a lot of friends from Iran and they say that to me all the time, and I reply accordingly based on their advise. At first I was like, "No No, I can't say that, I am not Muslim", but they (not singular) insist that it is not religion bound. However I dare not say it to other Muslim whom is not within my close circle of friends.

Sentinel
08-05-2014, 01:05 AM
I agree with you, I know a lot of friends from Iran and they say that to me all the time, and I reply accordingly based on their advise. At first I was like, "No No, I can't say that, I am not Muslim", but they (not singular) insist that it is not religion bound. However I dare not say it to other Muslim whom is not within my close circle of friends.

In Indonesia, all my Muslim partners know I am not Muslim but their first word when they call me on the phone is "Assalamualaikum, Pak David".... and I'll reply "Salam Kembali, Pak"

Challenger
08-05-2014, 08:08 AM
"Assalamualaikum, Pak David"

Gua salah, lu mai kong.

I am wrong but u don't say anything.

Dervish
08-05-2014, 11:04 AM
Assalamualaikum is "Peace be upon you" in Arabic and its nothing religious at all... go look for your friend and ask him again to show you the proof its religious...

He wouldn't say. The man just zipped his lips after making the statement.

aursong
08-05-2014, 11:19 AM
What da big fuss about words... is just a freaking word...
What so sensitive about it... it just the politicians trying to score political points that making fuss about everything...

Will a common buddhist be sensitive when a non-buddhist spur out a word "am ni tou fatt"
Will a common christian be sensitive when a non-christian spur out a word "Amen"
Will a common muslim be sensitive when a non-muslim spur out a word "yeah-a****" - some maybe now brainwash till they are sensitive toward everything about "a****"... 10~15 years ago no one care...

aursong
08-05-2014, 11:20 AM
I agree with you, I know a lot of friends from Iran and they say that to me all the time, and I reply accordingly based on their advise. At first I was like, "No No, I can't say that, I am not Muslim", but they (not singular) insist that it is not religion bound. However I dare not say it to other Muslim whom is not within my close circle of friends.

It seem Malaysian have all being brainwash...

umadavid
08-05-2014, 01:17 PM
We have "Insyaallah" which means "God willing" in the Bible:

James 4:13-15
English Standard Version (ESV)


13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.”

HTCHONG
08-05-2014, 01:21 PM
What da big fuss about words... is just a freaking word...
What so sensitive about it... it just the politicians trying to score political points that making fuss about everything...

Will a common buddhist be sensitive when a non-buddhist spur out a word "am ni tou fatt"

Will a common christian be sensitive when a non-christian spur out a word "Amen"
Will a common muslim be sensitive when a non-muslim spur out a word "yeah-a****" - some maybe now brainwash till they are sensitive toward everything about "a****"... 10~15 years ago no one care...

As a Buddhist, if anyone greet to me with both palms are placed together and say “Amitabha” I will return the same greeting without offended if he or she is a non-Buddhist. Simply because the mannerism is always be respectful of others. Amitabha...:)

zinglicious
08-05-2014, 01:53 PM
Totally sokong. Religious people should foster the word of goodwill and unity among the people instead of sowing seeds of hates or fears. Respect is earned by deeds , humility and honesty not demanded by any holy or forbidden words. Whether we go to Heaven or Hell by Amen or Yallah word, it is not for "religious " monks or imam to judge or condemn us. They are to guide us to the right path of righteousness. How can we not respect anyone who is preaching the word of "May Peace be upon You " and meant what he or she said? "For the person who transgresses in one thing, I tell you, there is no evil deed that is not to be done. Which one thing? This: telling a deliberate lie."


The person who lies, who transgress in this one thing, transcending concern for the world beyond:there's no evil he might not do.

Speak only the speech that neither torments self nor does harm to others.That speech is truly well spoken.

Speak only endearing speech, speech that is welcomed. Speech when it brings no evil to others is pleasant.

Quote from the Words of Wisdom



My FB fans and friends luv it when I wish them May Yallah, Almight God or Thean Gong bless you with healthy days and tasty ways irrespective whether they are Taoist, Muslim, Christian or Free Thinkers. God Speed in Alltherightpath.

tesdniMa
08-05-2014, 01:55 PM
Reactionary elements holding country hostage, where is PM Najib? – Charles Santiago
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/reactionary-elements-holding-country-hostage-where-is-pm-najib-charles-sant


Be firm against religious polemic, says analyst in PM’s Department
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-departmenthttp://


Looks like Prof Jayum needs to talk to the press to communicate with his BOSS.

Dervish
08-05-2014, 03:18 PM
Will a common christian be sensitive when a non-christian spur out a word "Amen"
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You know what? I wouldn't even blink.

Dervish
08-05-2014, 03:21 PM
I agree with you, I know a lot of friends from Iran and they say that to me all the time, and I reply accordingly based on their advise. At first I was like, "No No, I can't say that, I am not Muslim", but they (not singular) insist that it is not religion bound. However I dare not say it to other Muslim whom is not within my close circle of friends.

See what I mean? There was a time when we could say anything we want without fear or prejudice. Now, we need to think twice.

Dervish
08-05-2014, 03:24 PM
Be firm against religious polemic, says analyst in PM’s Department
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-department<del>http://</del> (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-departmenthttp://)



A 404. Allow me.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-department (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-departmenthttp://)

tesdniMa
08-05-2014, 03:50 PM
A 404. Allow me.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-department (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/be-firm-against-religious-polemic-says-analyst-in-pms-departmenthttp://)

Thxs D..

but looks like they have combined two articles..

here is relevant story..

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/if-christians-had-discussed-islam-they-would-have-been-hauled-up-says-saraw

Prof Jayum said national leaders need to make a firm stand on the increasingly divisive polemic and close the widening gap between Malaysians of different faiths.