ISON thread - escalating disagreement and name-calling

[Rhiga]

... I think life over here is just too good and easy especially after the introduction of Internet. People do not need to possess an ability called intellectual curiosity to find out the depth and the truth about what they are interested. .. ;)



..That’s my point, Bro. Internet actually made people complacent and just too lazy to find out the truth.

WOW, Kuma.. I do not expect you to prove my above-mentioned points are correct so fast, in less than a day.. :heheheh: :heheheh:


Link to Article' (http://manilastandardtoday.com/2013/11/24/-comet-of-the-century-on-national-geographic/)

Comet ISON is bigger than Australia, its head measuring an impressive 4,900km across and dust trail extending more than 91,000 km, more than twice the circumference of planet Earth!



...The Comet Ison is not 4,900km across - it is less than 3 km in diameter based on recent measurements (some estimates put it at only 1.5 km). That large figure probably refers to the coma, which is the spread of gases and sublimated matter around the solid nucleus of the comet - while it looks pretty solid to us, it is largely empty space as is the tail.


Hahahahahahahahahaha.... :laugh: :heheheh: :mua-haha:

[kuma]

WOW, Kuma.. I do not expect you to prove my above-mentioned points are correct so fast, in less than a day.. :heheheh: :heheheh:



I think life over here is just too good and easy especially after the introduction of Internet. People do not need to possess an ability called intellectual curiosity to find out the depth and the truth about what they are interested. ..

Internet actually made people complacent and just too lazy to find out the truth.

When some people find it difficult to differentiate between a 'summary of info' post, as to a curated post with quotes and referenced to the curated article...........

Sorry la Bro, I am to 'blurr-blurr' by your 'Opinion? ' like, on your comment - "Internet actually made people complacent and just too lazy to find out the truth."......Maybe you care to elaborate and enlighten us ;)......like what type is 'Truth & Intellectually right to you'? :D

Perhaps my 'ability called intellectual curiosity' is to benign to comprende the 'gibberish, or the obscure, often highly biased, self propagating opinions' I read at times :heheheh:

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The fate of ISON's state or the path it will take once it slingshots around the Sun is hours away from truth [depending on who's version of Truth that is;)]

And for those who 'believe' that comets are harbingers of ill to Earth ;)

More escalation in Asia!

Japan and South Korea defy China air zone rules Read@BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25133957)

Days back when the US provoked the new China Air Zone with B52 flybys......China did not retaliate and was reported to be monitoring US actions.....now that these 2 smaller countries have done like wise......

Will China Retaliate? Will They Continue To 'Bully' Their Small Neighbors In Their Quest To Dominate The Region? Will WAR Break In The Region? :eek:

[Rhiga]

When some people find it difficult to differentiate between a 'summary of info' post, as to a curated post with quotes and referenced to the curated article...........

Sorry la Bro, I am to 'blurr-blurr' by your 'Opinion? '


Please don’t twist and turn while I still try to salvage the last shred of respect from you…

You know exactly what I mean from the previous posts and the comet size you have posted. You need to be precise and understand the info you copy and paste form Internet before you post..

I think this is a minimum self-respect to yourself as a person who wish to share with others what you know and what you have read from the Internet..

Of course, this is a forum and you are entitled to your opinion and comment.

Don't let me drag on…

[Rhiga]

...Hopefully, I'd get an 'intellectual' answer.....if explaining it in English is a problem.....you can choose any preferred language....as long as it makes sense :D

You can't even read and write your children name with your ancestor language.. !! :laugh:

You are struggling to differentiate which tombstone are actually your ancestors in the graveyard.!! :laugh:

You better don't fool yourself too much with other languages... :heheheh:

Maybe you can carry along an on-line translator each time you look for your children name and ancestors names !! :mua-haha:

Enjoy yourself while you are still whiter than white (as you think) :eek: :heheheh:

[kuma]

You can't even read and write your children name with your ancestor language.. !! :laugh:

You are struggling to differentiate which tombstone are actually your ancestors in the graveyard.!! :laugh:

You better don't fool yourself too much with other languages...

Maybe you can carry along an on-line translator each time you look for your children name and ancestors names !! :mua-haha:

Enjoy yourself while you are still whiter than white (as you think) :eek: :heheheh:

My Father Was Right!....He would always remind me.....

Never Ever Argue With An [Fill In The Blank]......and as Carlin explained "They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” :heheheh:

Then Again, I suppose being one, An [Fill In The Blank] that is, has worked well for you :heheheh:

Sorry, I'm no longer hijacking this Thread....Especially when it's just hours away from the moment when [fill in the blank - use 's] like you, are about to show signs of extreme lunacy :heheheh:.....ISON is so close to the Sun :D

If you like to further this.....start another Thread, but wait till ISON passes Earth....then we can 'Rock & Roll' :rolleyes:

[Rhiga]

My Father Was Right!....He would always remind me..



Yup, your father is right as he knew having a son with limited brain cells like you, it is important to pre-warn you to refrain from any intellectual argument as you would be beaten flat each and every time with your pea-size brain….!! :heheheh:

I bet your father also told you – “ Just accept the fact that since you are a kragor, you will always be a kragor, there is no way you can be Cristiano Ronaldo. No point stress yourself to be whiter than white.. !! " ;) :heheheh:

Btw, your better start a new thread to get help. You are in dire need of more therapies from me. Don’t worry, I will give it to you free just to help you.. :laugh:

[Rhiga]

... it looks like 'Kragor' was misspelled to refer to 'Grago' which is a derogatory term [well known by people from Malacca],.... used to refer to local people of Portuguese decent. I suppose the poster assumes I'm from that community....But I'm not :heheheh:



This is the problem for " acute whiter than white" who can’t read and understand the meaning and pronunciation of words in his ancestor language…. :rolleyes: :laugh:

If you still struggle to understand the word kragor in your ancestor language, you have 2 solutions...

Well, I make it 3 for you (all are foc, only for you).

1. Go to graveyard and find some tombstones which you think your ancestors were buried and asked them. You may be lucky to ask the right ones. :heheheh: [An IT gadget with built-in camera and on-line translator can be handy in searching for the right tombstones...] :laugh:

2. Buy a 5 feet nylon rope with diameter of approximately 2cm and make good use of it. ;-)

3. Knock yourself on the wall real hard. It may help your pea-size brain to refresh.. :heheheh:

[kwchang]

I cannot understand why Rhiga starts off finding faults with Kuma.
Don't we agree to disagree on the Forum?

Or does it bother Rhiga so much when he reads post that are below his level of intellectual expectations?

I must be another minion myself because I just can't see the problem until it went on and on between the 2 of them about translations and language and size of the brain !

Sometimes I wonder if people registering to post on the Forum need to pass some assessment of their intellectual abilities? What is all this? Why is it I seem to get the whiff that Rhiga prefers to see some master race with supreme intellegence?

Perhaps that is why the comments are getting less nowadays (apart from the fact that some people dislike my moderation and handling of the plantation) ... I cannot avoid seeing that others are simply pushed off by some who demand "qualities" of contributions way above the layman level.

[Rhiga]

I cannot understand why Rhiga starts off finding faults with Kuma.



There is this fella who started a thread about 2013 economy outlook and he also posted to another thread last year which focused on gold investment. (I can’t find this thread from my archive… )

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?35985-2013-Stormy-Year-of-The-Snake-Ahead!&p=573548#post573548

For almost one whole year (last year), he was advocating gold as the safe option for investment with his multiple videos and links from Interent. I had doubtd of his opinion and info but I did not challenge. Only until this month after gold price has fallen 25% in 2013 alone, I replied to him. You can read from post #33 until the last post (#42) from the link above.

I found him twist and turn on facts and divert the key issue by pasting more videos and links from Internet, as he usually did. Say what you want to say, Chang, I have problem with this sort of people.

You often highlight in you moderation notes that spreading rumor or unsubstantiated info is not acceptable in this forum. To me, intentionally spraying misleading financial and investment info for a period of almost a year fit well to this category..

Please don’t get me wrong, I was not moderating on behalf of you. I merely pushed him to a corner which I did in the "ISON comet" thread and let him exposed himself.

Lastly, I have no biasness on a person’s intelligence.

[kuma]

I cannot understand why Rhiga starts off finding faults with Kuma.
Don't we agree to disagree on the Forum?

Or does it bother Rhiga so much when he reads post that are below his level of intellectual expectations?

I must be another minion myself because I just can't see the problem until it went on and on between the 2 of them about translations and language and size of the brain !

Sometimes I wonder if people registering to post on the Forum need to pass some assessment of their intellectual abilities? What is all this? Why is it I seem to get the whiff that Rhiga prefers to see some master race with supreme intellegence?

Perhaps that is why the comments are getting less nowadays (apart from the fact that some people dislike my moderation and handling of the plantation) ... I cannot avoid seeing that others are simply pushed off by some who demand "qualities" of contributions way above the layman level.

"I cannot understand why Rhiga starts off finding faults with Kuma"

From his post here, its seems to revolve around some posts I made in 2012 favoring Gold being a worthy investment. Gold was at its peak last year, but has since seen a drop of 25% in price value. He infers that I was promoting Gold [like I was the only one in the World ;)]....and since the price has dropped, I'm somewhat responsible :heheheh:....He also infers that as of this year, I have made no reference to Gold [like maybe, because the price dropped and I was embarrassed or what :heheheh:]. He goes on to give a link to a Thread that I started at the start of 2013 about a Feng Sui Master's predictions for the year. I went through that Thread and see no talk of Gold until his recent post.

Then, on a second point......Somehow, he also seems to feel that all posts which carry any form of information, must be summarized with Data so as to reflect the posters level of intelligence.....of course this does not discount any gibberish or abusive language, let alone direct attacks on ones integrity, or for that matter involving ones family members with derogatory terms!:eek:

I then went on to explain that there is such a thing as a 'curated post' and explained what that meant.....but looks like that's not acceptable to him and suggests that the poster is held responsible for any such info posted, like links to Economists recommending Gold as an investment.....Jeeez:heheheh:

I have taken the liberty to explain to him that, I have made no posts on Gold of late, as there was no active Thread this year on the topic. I had no intention to start one, simply because there really is no such interest here. I have also pointed out that I have no financial interest in Gold as he inferred that I was selling it.....though I wish I was :)

I will retaliate that I have always referred to precious metals as an important segment of anyone's portfolio, especially in these times, when anything is possible. Its an investment that helps the security of your family....and its a globally accepted currency. For those who purchase physical Gold and Silver for such purpose, care hoots about the price. However, this may not be gospel to all and please do due diligence before taking anyone's 'intelligence' :heheheh:

Quite frankly, the drop in price in Gold has seen a demand [and if I was selling it, I'd be :heheheh:]..... and smart investors has taken this drop in price to pick up more of the metal, to offset losses they may have had....should price go up later. Then again, those who looked at precious metals for short term gains probably got !@#$.........Now I'm wondering If That Be The 'Root' Of It All? Hmmmm

[kuma]

"I cannot understand why Rhiga starts off finding faults with Kuma"
Quite frankly, the drop in price in Gold has seen a demand [and if I was selling it, I'd be :heheheh:]..... and smart investors has taken this drop in price to pick up more of the metal, to offset losses they may have had....should price go up later. Then again, those who looked at precious metals for short term gains probably got !@#$.........Now I'm wondering If That Be The 'Root' Of It All? Hmmmm

I'm adding this post here for the following reason......I notice that these posts have seen quite a few click thro's - everyone loves a controversy :)......but I'm writing to stand corrected on an opinion I wrote in the earlier post regrading Gold , least I be held liable for my views ;)

God forbid, I'm no expert or authority on Gold, nor I choose to be, nor a hoarder of such metal [How I wish;)],...... but I have always on a personal basis, advocated the inclusion of such as part of one net worth.....and this is across the board in any medium, or conversation.

I wrote earlier...."smart investors has taken this drop in price to pick up more of the metal, to offset losses they may have had....should price go up later." .......the price increase I'm referring too could be years away!.....There are NO, [I repeat NO] INDICATIONS that the price of Gold will go up in the short term!.....in fact there is strong believe that it will drop further, probably below the US$1100/ounce in 2014......for those familiar with the market, believe that it is being manipulated.....and all the sell offs are of 'paper gold'.

Gold is meant to be held on to.....for as long as possible....preferably even passed onto your kids......its not a speculators arena, never really was.......don't be a matador, for now, looks like the bull [or is it bear?] will get you :eek:

As it is, what with China and India gobbling it up like no tomorrow ;).....there is a somewhat of a shortage of the physical kind.....there's only so much of that can be mined each year......

So, please,please......don't hold me at ransom for my thoughts.....and short term'ers>>.....please stay away from physical Gold.....go dabble in the paper kind if the thrill of being @#$@#$ excites you......and leave the physical for the lovers :D

[zinglicious]

POV from where I see it, it takes guts (and the amount of time spend for a guy) to stand up to point out certain informations which may be inaccurate or distorted in public forum. By the same token, I appreciate the clarification given that postings were made on sharing basis.

Is he right , he is wrong? Well the members of the jury is out there.

The usj forum should be the platform for healthy yet tasty discussion where we can beg to agree to disagree. We can be older and wiser and making decisions whether to accept the info to be reliable and useful. One man meats may be another guy poison.

If somebody makes statement, I believe the jury can make a verdict whether it is doing Udang disebalik batu, out of fear or favor. The moderation is to keep in line and out of sight whenever possible to avoid any conflict or interest or biased views. If red cards need to be shown , it has to be done consistencely with the laws and orders of the forum rules.

That is also why I dun comment on fellow caterers where I could be biased and with conflict of interest as I may be starting my food venture.

Hence, I am clueless like a pussy cat why a forumer was given a banana for name calling here while the others were scott free by making a statement to the moderator explicitly " Sick and tired of your excuses..... KUCING KURAP!!"?

And the controversial figure which surface recently with Kucing Kurap tag featured in Malaysian Insider. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/i-will-not-aplogise-for-kucing-kurap-remark-says-a-defiant-jeff-ooi

Is he right to make the statement to those small fry of incompetent council workers who were not carrying out the task or out to sabotage him? Now. you tell me?

[kwchang]

..The moderation is to keep in line and out of sight whenever possible to avoid any conflict or interest or biased views. If red cards need to be shown , it has to be done consistencely with the laws and orders of the forum rules. In that case, I should go back to your thread and give you the banana? According to our rules, you started and argument with SM there. Yes, you are right... you should get a banana, thank you for pointing it out


..Hence, I am clueless .. why a forumer was given a banana for name calling here while the others were scott free by making a statement to the moderator explicitly " Sick and tired of your excuses..... KUCING KURAP!!"? SM was not calling you names. He was refering to me. I don't get fazed by such reactions. He has a right to his view and he did not break the rule because he was not attacking another forum member (referees are excluded)


..And the controversial figure which surface recently with Kucing Kurap tag featured in Malaysian Insider... You were not in the Forum when Jeff was moderating this forum which he started. He would have banned all of you on the spot. Me? I am softer and do not wield the stick like Jeff would. i run it differently. Readers are free to tell me if I should be quick on the bans like Jeff? If the forum members prefer that, I will be very happy to comply

[zinglicious]

I may not be so smart but I aint silly to be agitated like Siang atau Malam. I just dislike that someone getting too up close and personal like a stalker. I think you are mistaken by the fact about jet star or what not. I was asking what Barang Naik gotta to do with the flight , bak chor mee and apple juices. And I was asking what was the his question to Wealth Team Management in what he was trying to say ? It was a thread started by me and I thought it was my duty and my curiousity to ask or probe further.......

Not only I was not given the respectful answer but i was labelled as "Exactly, you still can't figure it out simply because you just ain't that smart - so continue to seek answers and don't be so cocksure or arrogant. And I Think its Bertrand Russell and not as you quoted, try again..."

Now what does that tell you? :confused:

As for the Singapura pura or Indo which are the preferred customers of Wealth Management Service, it was not what I heard or read. This is in addition that many VVIP from West Malaysia and Sarawak having shopping spree and secret banking accounts as alleged by Wikileaks and Global Witness recently. And worldwide , banks and retailers in properties, LV or Gucci bags to JC shoes, are welcoming mainlander Chinese with loud red carpet attention. From UK to US. Paris to Swiss, Aussie and far down under in Auckland , New Zealand. Thanks to these Chinese, properties are skyrocketed to dizzy heights. These fellas are even snapping the sheep farm!!! :eek:

In fact, a forumer was telling me just 2 days ago he was there to buy a condo in $Sing million to retire after couple of years to migrate there after successful biz the last 3 years. And personally I know some family and friends of Cameron Highlands and Genting Highlands are heavily invested in that red dotted island. Vegetables sold there but monies were kept there in Singapore banks and properties were bought from cabbage or tomatoes sold. Pelik tapi benar - Malaysia Boleh! :cool:

Now that clear the air where I am confused if Malaysians are not the big X factor in funds right at the republic but they are not the biggest for the fact.

This is the official fact - "The stock of foreign direct investment (FDI) in Singapore amounted to $672.0 billion as at end 2011. The USA ($77.9 billion), Netherlands ($66.3 billion), UK ($55.9 billion) and Japan ($52.5 billion) were major sources of FDI. The Yankees won in 2011 where they sing "We R the Champion" feat Shakira "Hips Dun Lie". Wonder who wins in 2013? Indo? :confused: http://www.singstat.gov.sg/statistics/browse_by_theme/investment.html

I am not arguing till the cows come home but merely sharing what I read and heard. And I would like to stand corrected for any misinformation given to be wiser and smarter in this forum.:)

Not Agitated and not Gay either for any up close and personal contact. :p

Nevertheless I am thankful for not given a banana for my stand this time round. :)


iSayman, if you think I should be awarded a banana, I have nothing to say except I DID NOT start any argument but asking a question in my own thread.:(

As for Jeff 007, I dun know him as a forummer or ADUN. But what he did or what he was doing is being judged by his course of action and what he said. Right or wrong , the panel of jury is out there. As it being said - Great power of Banana comes with great responsibility. :)

Lastly, It is not my intention to divulge in argument in my own thread or others. I stand to be corrected by my records by getting wiser and informed of being updated with social issues where I do it with honesty and courtesy. I mean it with real intention of sharing ideas and agree to disagree. And the rights as defence counsel against alleged unlawful acts in the name of democracy. I rest my case, your honour. ;)

[kuma]

POV from where I see it, it takes guts (and the amount of time spend for a guy) to stand up to point out certain informations which may be inaccurate or distorted in public forum. By the same token, I appreciate the clarification given that postings were made on sharing basis.

Is he right , he is wrong?

An Example Of A Post With Curated Information

Let me give an example of what a post with 'curated information' is.....

'Tengku Adnan, mayor should quit over assessment hike fiasco, says Nurul Izzah'>>> Read In Full Here (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/tengku-adnan-mayor-should-quit-over-assessment-hike-fiasco-says-nurul-izzah)

[Here the poster is making reference to the headline of a news item or article that he/she is about to post with link to source provided....this is can be/not necessarily followed with quotes from the source, exerts which the poster found pertinent]

"They should all just resign"...... "What is the point of having a federal territories ministry or a mayor's office when they cannot manage?"

"Lembah Pantai MP Nurul Izzah Anwar said nothing short of a resignation from the Federal Territories Minister and the Kuala Lumpur mayor would atone for the mismanagement of the assessment rate hike in the capital city........She also said the issue of transparency and accountability on the rate hike is the latest example of what happens when a very powerful position is appointed rather than elected."

[It is necessary to provide the links to the source you obtained the information from.....this link to source can be placed at your headline, or following your "quotes"....this should denote to the reader that the text as above are not yours but quoted from the source as linked.....
Note This: Theoretically, you would need permission to quote as such, on account of Copyright issues, however there are certain circumstances where such may be used without authorization of the copyright holder, known as 'FAIR USE'...and this is allowed for purposes of criticism, news reporting, teaching and parody....p/s such technicality is still being debated vehemently ;)]

Sometimes, I wonder why these opposition guys even bother to ask these fellas to resign.....like has anyone in Bolehland ever quit over such matters?....Hoping for the first to do so?

[For all purposes....the above sentence in italics is all the poster of this post has expressed as his/her opinion.....this sentence represents his view/statement of the article linked above and the quotes from the article are in no way poster's view, statement, or opinion]

[Texts in BLUE are the explanation for the different sections of the post with curated content]