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ng
23-12-2012, 09:40 AM
Female:

Chinese - 79.8
Indian - 76.2
Malay - 75.3

Male:

Chinese - 74.4
Malay - 70.5
Indian - 68


http://www.nst.com.my/top-news/chinese-women-have-highest-life-expectancy-in-malaysia-1.23148

Fabe18
23-12-2012, 11:46 AM
At the rate malaysians are going to mamaks and 24 eatery, these figures are no longer applicable soon... :p

I think we are spoilt with too much food now and no exercise...

tupai
23-12-2012, 12:20 PM
Female:

Chinese - 79.8
Indian - 76.2
Malay - 75.3

Male:

Chinese - 74.4
Malay - 70.5
Indian - 68


http://www.nst.com.my/top-news/chinese-women-have-highest-life-expectancy-in-malaysia-1.23148

quality versus quantity...
Which you prefer live to 60? and have 30years in fast, faster, fastest lane ...
or live to 74.4yr safely rocking away in a grandpop chair watching travel channel & nat geo??:confused:

Yang Blur sotong ToonIstimnewaUtama xlatotupai:cool:

OOPS! sorry...65yrs oldI mean cos its rumored that pple are retiring at 60...i dont wanna drop dead immediately after i retired...apa???

SiangMalam
23-12-2012, 01:40 PM
But if you have money like the Saudi king.... flowing out of the ground everyday in millions of barrels per day... you will wanna live long long...

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Rhiga
23-12-2012, 02:05 PM
But if you have money like the Saudi king.... flowing out of the ground everyday in millions of barrels per day... you will wanna live long long...



My 1st day career and income until now are from this black hydrocarbon compound from underneath the earth…

But, I have no love for this black liquid..

Oil is the the main detonator for war, evil and stupidity..
It has been more than a century, human still fail to find an alternative for the mass substituition of oil. With my swallow knowledge of science, I cannot think this is true.

Two days ago when I took a return flight to KL, I confronted a middle-east youth and “F” him kau kau with the language he could not understand. This fella and his friends are coming to KL for cheap holidays to escape the cold winter, I think.

I guess they have used to the life that foreigners mainly from South Asia are workers, maids, assistants and whatever who are at their disposal in their homeland. They are inconsiderate (laughing loud even the cabin light are switched off for sleeping time), rude (pull and push the seat in front of them when they are leaving their seats to the lavatory).

Don't tell me this is an isolated case. Those who travelled often to and from middle-east maybe can share their experience.

I think I will not travel with any middle-east airline anymore for business and leisure..

Sorry to digress from the thread topic..

SiangMalam
23-12-2012, 02:52 PM
I have posted this before...

The high-class middle eastern holiday-makers are in Milan, London, Zurich, Geneva, St. Moritz, Monte Carlo, Paris, New York, Anaheim, Orlando, Tokyo, while the low-class, low-end ones are here in Batu Ferringhi... we call them the ninjas... you can see them argue with satay man, trishaw man and they only buy RM8 Manchester United jerseys.... they love fake Oakleys and they treat everybody here in Batu Ferringhi like rubbish! And they also buy cheap Johnnie Walker red labels and some Bombay Gin to get drunk on the beach with their all-black ninja girls...

And they think every other girl they see on the beach or near the swimming pools at the beach hotels are for sale at USD30! Really uncouthed and unpolished group of people... and I thought they are supposed to be holier than us...

9 out of 10 fights on the Batu Ferringhi beach, 9 out of 10 accidents involving jetskis or horse-riding has to be by these group of cheapskate low-end middle-eastern tourists... they can rent a horse for an hour and after that just leave the horse anywhere they like and even ride these horses up to their hotel miles away and leave it there without telling you... idiots!

Call me a racist - no problem with that.... coz I hate the presence of these low class tourists in my town... I only welcome Singaporeans and Klang Valley people who come to enjoy the durians and the char kuey teows and the apom manis.... not the drunkard cheapskate trouble-makers...

tupai
23-12-2012, 03:43 PM
cheap liquor and cheaper off duty liquor, free short pants eye candies in the streets, USD100 5star hotel rooms, in excess of 10,000(yes, you read right 10,000!) freely available rotational prostitutes (tourist&student visa)from china, russia, vietnam, cambo, thai, pilipines, latino countries, africa and of course home grown malaysia for only RM200-500 a shot...where to get? LAgi , No islamic guard to bother muslim tourists ???

HAHAHAHAH...we are digressing from the topic!

With such quality of life, opulence & debauchery lifestyle freely available in Msia, Now I wanna live to be 90 years old, free, strong, healthy & eligible...and more importantly also, still can ride...:heheheh:


Yang Bertuah TIUxlatotupai:p

cml
24-12-2012, 08:48 AM
We all want to ride horses when we are young right? No longer can ride when we are 90, cannot even stand straight by then!

Tham
27-12-2012, 07:51 AM
I believe the above is just the AVERAGE life expectancy.


The last I read, the cancer statistics were :

Chinese - 1 in 4
Indians - 1 in 5
Malaysia - 1 in 7


The imbalance is likely even more pronounced. Two years ago, my father
was warded in the surgical ward of UH for a ruptured stomach ulcer. Cancer
patients, I believe, the surgical cases, were also warded there, and their names
were listed on a board.

Some 70 per cent of those on the list were Chinese, with the remainder
about equal between Indians and Malays.


I think one of the main reasons for the shorter average lifespan of the
Malays and Indians is the higher incidence of not just diabetes, but their
far higher sugar intake.

Diabetes is actually considered a model of accelerated aging.

Alzheimer's has been referred to as Type 3 diabetes.

This is why one of the goals of life extensionists is to reduce glycation
- the binding of sugar to proteins resulting in advanced end glycation products
(AGES), which cause many of the changes and diseases you see in aging.

Crosslinking, a good example of which are the lines you see around your eyes
as we age, is a result of AGES.

Kidney failure in diabetes and old age is largely caused by AGES.

ng
27-12-2012, 09:08 AM
I believe the above is just the AVERAGE life expectancy.


The last I read, the cancer statistics were :

Chinese - 1 in 4
Indians - 1 in 5
Malaysia - 1 in 7

.

Cancer is a 'rich man' disease from eating too much meat and fat, smoking etc.


PS. It is not malaysia but malays !

cml
27-12-2012, 01:01 PM
Not really, I do not think that it is strictly from diet. My brother in law is a vegetarian, does not smoke, is only 60 kg on a 5' 11" frame but was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. You go figure

ng
27-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Not really, I do not think that it is strictly from diet. My brother in law is a vegetarian, does not smoke, is only 60 kg on a 5' 11" frame but was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. You go figure

It depends on when he stopped smoking and become vegetarian. ie. how many years.

It is just like the saying, just before death, a killer stops killing but that doesn't wipe away his past deeds.

And also you have to know whether he was exposed to second hand smoke, asbestos or other job related environment.

SiangMalam
28-12-2012, 12:00 AM
Ng... in your earlier thread you posted "cancer is rich man disease from too much smoking...." then in a second thread you claimed it could be second-hand smoke... asbestos and other job-related environment... make up you mind doctor....

ng
28-12-2012, 06:49 AM
Ng... in your earlier thread you posted "cancer is rich man disease from too much smoking...." then in a second thread you claimed it could be second-hand smoke... asbestos and other job-related environment... make up you mind doctor....

What is contradictory about my statements above ?

Smoking is nicotine from one's puffing. While second hand smoke is still nicotine from other people's smoke. Asbestos is also poisonous that gets into the lungs. The key points are all these are poisons. There are many types of poisons in the world and not just ONE poison ie. nicotine.

Rich men's diet consists of a lot of meat and fat which poor men in the past mostly take vegetables. This cause a different type of cancer ie. mostly colon cancer.

There are many causes of headaches just as there are many causes of cancer.

To say that he is a non smoker but he also get cancer (to prove that one can still continue smoking :rolleyes:) is illogical if we don't know the details of when he stopped smoking, what other poisons he breathed throughout his whole life.

Of course, then we also have to look at his intrinsic body constitution. Not all bodies are made the same. A weak body is more prone to cancer than a strong one.

Then there's the matter of racial genetics, certain races are more prone to certain diseases and allergies eg. Chinese are mostly lactose intolerance (to fresh milk) while indians are less.

Life is not all 'black and white', 'hell and heaven', 'one planet, one moon' but million shades of color in between.

SiangMalam
28-12-2012, 02:49 PM
What is contradictory about my statements above ?

Smoking is nicotine from one's puffing. While second hand smoke is still nicotine from other people's smoke. Asbestos is also poisonous that gets into the lungs. The key points are all these are poisons. There are many types of poisons in the world and not just ONE poison ie. nicotine.

Rich men's diet consists of a lot of meat and fat which poor men in the past mostly take vegetables. This cause a different type of cancer ie. mostly colon cancer.

There are many causes of headaches just as there are many causes of cancer.

To say that he is a non smoker but he also get cancer (to prove that one can still continue smoking :rolleyes:) is illogical if we don't know the details of when he stopped smoking, what other poisons he breathed throughout his whole life.

Of course, then we also have to look at his intrinsic body constitution. Not all bodies are made the same. A weak body is more prone to cancer than a strong one.

Then there's the matter of racial genetics, certain races are more prone to certain diseases and allergies eg. Chinese are mostly lactose intolerance (to fresh milk) while indians are less.

Life is not all 'black and white', 'hell and heaven', 'one planet, one moon' but million shades of color in between.

Your sentence which I highlighted in red makes more sense to me... the rest are just hearsays....

Fabe18
28-12-2012, 11:26 PM
Smoking is nicotine from one's puffing. While second hand smoke is still nicotine from other people's smoke. Asbestos is also poisonous that gets into the lungs. The key points are all these are poisons. There are many types of poisons in the world and not just ONE poison ie. nicotine.



hmmm.. Are you sure 2nd hand smoke contains nicotine???

Anyway, I don't think nicotine is the killer... It's the tar and all the mumbo jumbo chemical that goes up in smoke that cause cancer...

ng
29-12-2012, 09:28 AM
hmmm.. Are you sure 2nd hand smoke contains nicotine???





http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html

Excerpts from University of Minnesota.

"Secondhand smoke contains twice as much tar and nicotine per unit volume as does smoke inhaled from a cigarette. It contains 3X as much cancer-causing benzpyrene, 5X as much carbon monoxide, and 50X as much ammonia"

"Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer and contributes to the development of heart disease. Never smoking women who live with a smoker have a 91% greater risk of heart disease. They also have twice the risk of dying from lung cancer. "

RGRaj
01-01-2013, 10:16 AM
Not really, I do not think that it is strictly from diet. My brother in law is a vegetarian, does not smoke, is only 60 kg on a 5' 11" frame but was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. You go figure

We are not talking absolutes here. Just the higher chances are there.

tupai
01-01-2013, 01:03 PM
HAHAHAHAHH! Get a life in 2013 Carpe diem! Don't worry too much!

Live each day to the fullest. Max the time whether doing something or nothing...Enjoy it lah...even perfecting the art of doing nothing is a skill!:heheheh:

so, WHY wanna live to 75? 86? 99? if one is just 'living' staring at the ceiling? watching LUXE Tv? eating porridge? watching grass grow? joint pain? sponging off others? creating tensions to loved ones? getting grouchy? forgetful? this cannot do, that also cannot do?:eek:

Live today! and Be happy! See the world (not the rich Milan, Paris, Berlin, NY, London etc cities lah...go out there, out off the beaten track) and cherish the blessed & blissful life laid on the silver platter yesterday, today and trow.:)

HAPPY NEW YEAR and Be HAPPY...

Yang Blessed & Blissfully Bahagia ToonIstimewaUtamaXlatotupai:heheheh:

p/s respect too the Smoker's Right!:heheheh: and 'em animlas too... and live & let live.:heheheh:

Tham
01-01-2013, 02:35 PM
It depends on when he stopped smoking and become vegetarian. ie. how many years.

It is just like the saying, just before death, a killer stops killing but that doesn't wipe away his past deeds.

And also you have to know whether he was exposed to second hand smoke, asbestos or other job related environment.




Oops. "Malaysia" was a typo.

As you said, it's not just black and white when it comes to cancer, i.e. :

Smoke = Lung cancer

Don't smoke = No lung cancer.


Adenocarcinomas of the lung have over the past twenty years overtaken
squamous cell lung cancer, both classed under nonsmall cell lung cancers.
It used to be about 40 per cent of all lung cancers up to the late 90s, by now
it is likely around 50 per cent.

Adenocarcinomas, at least in women, have nothing to do with smoking.
Nonsmokers comprise about 40 per cent of this class of cancers, of which
the majority are women.

Seha, or Norsehah Abu Bakar, the female vocalist of Freedom who died
in her 40s in 2006 of lung cancer, very likely had adenocarcinoma.

This Chinese lady who worked in one of our associated offices in Ipoh
in 1996 also died from lung adenocarcinoma, also aged about 40 then.

Overall lung cancer incidence here in the Chinese is double than the Malays
and Indians, despite the latter two being the far heavier smokers.

This means that genetics and/or diet accounts for this imbalance, similar to
that of colon cancer.

The black sauce which your favourite "chow kwei tiao" and Hokkien chow
stall uses lots of is carcinogenic. And the way they fry it - lots of flames
coming from their stoves and overlapping the oil - is asking for trouble,
basically superheating and oxidizing the oils, fats and sauce, turning the
whole mess highly carcinogenic.



" The high incidence of female non-smokers with adenocarcinoma often seen
only in the Asian population has been reported by others."

" Lung cancer is diagnosed in never smokers at a younger age (mean age, 54.7 years)
than smokers (mean age, 61.6 years); and this pattern is true for both males and females.
Other authors had also reported that non-smokers were diagnosed to lung cancer at a
mean age which was younger than that of smokers in Asian countries like Hong Kong
Singapore, Taiwan and Japan. "

" In addition, our patients with adenocarcinoma tend to be younger age than those
with the other lung cancer cell types. This is in agreement with other studies which
show that adenocarcinoma is the predominant cell type among younger patients. "

" A high percentage of non-smoking female patients with adenocarcinoma and a younger
age of diagnosis of adenocarcinoma and in non-smokers suggest that risk factors other
than active smoking may be involved in carcinogenesis in these patients and in lung
adenocarcinoma."

" The Malaysian national cancer registry shows that the age-standardised incidence of
lung cancer for the Chinese is more than twice that of the Malays and Indians for both
sexes. The reason for this racial difference in predisposition to lung cancer is unclear. It
is possible that environmental risk factors, such as diet, may condition the risk in the
Chinese, or perhaps there are racial differences in the way in which tobacco is
metabolized. "

http://www.mts.org.my/resources/Lung%20Cancer%20In%20Malaysia%20-%20epidemiology%20and%20management%20practices.pdf

Rhiga
01-01-2013, 03:19 PM
The last I read, the cancer statistics were :

Chinese - 1 in 4
Indians - 1 in 5
Malaysia - 1 in 7




Cancer happens more to pendatang !! :eek:

Maybe because pendatang have more worries ??

Have to worry more of children educational fund as the pendatang status cannot easily get scholarships and choice of preferred studies compare to the stress-less prince and princess…

Have to worry more because they have to pay more to buy the same same house although likely they paid more in income tax... Extra 7% more for a pathetic link house in USJ is almost 50k in $$ !!

Have to worry more of retirement life in private practice as the pendatang status give little chance to them to enjoy the generous public retirement perks like the majority apanama .. hence have to work harder and find new job or more jobs to save more....

The worry list can go on… and all this additional worries can contribute to higher cancer risk !! no ??

ps. one way that may help to reduce worry is to do the right thing between 29 Apr and 27 June… !! ;)

ng
02-01-2013, 11:53 AM
Smoke = Lung cancer

Don't smoke = No lung cancer.



It is the same analogy as below..

If you were to randomly cross a busy road full of racing cars instead of at quiet roads, there is a higher possibility you will be knocked down in busy roads.

Just because you have not been knocked down at busy roads doesn't mean it is safe to run across whenever you can.

So stop smoking.

EricK
02-01-2013, 01:27 PM
It is the same analogy as below..

If you were to randomly cross a busy road full of racing cars instead of at quiet roads, there is a higher possibility you will be knocked down in busy roads.

Just because you have not been knocked down at busy roads doesn't mean it is safe to run across whenever you can.

So stop smoking.

i like your analogy! maybe it will make it easier to understand for those who persists in showing cases of people not developing cancer from smoking... the fact is there is a higher percentage of people suffering from cancer due to smoking...

ng
02-01-2013, 09:02 PM
maybe it will make it easier to understand for those who persists in showing cases of people not developing cancer from smoking... the fact is there is a higher percentage of people suffering from cancer due to smoking...


Those who don't smoke but got lung cancer could be because they have relatives or friends who smoke all the time, and he breathed in their second hand smoke.

SiangMalam
03-01-2013, 01:51 AM
Those who don't smoke but got lung cancer could be because they have relatives or friends who smoke all the time, and he breathed in their second hand smoke.

Worry less, live more....

LMei
03-01-2013, 09:38 AM
Those who don't smoke but got lung cancer could be because they have relatives or friends who smoke all the time, and he breathed in their second hand smoke.

Yea, how many of us have colleagues who smoke during lunch time when you go out with them. You can't just tell them to stop smoking when they're with you or stop eating with them.

ng
03-01-2013, 10:22 AM
Yea, how many of us have colleagues who smoke during lunch time when you go out with them. You can't just tell them to stop smoking when they're with you or stop eating with them.


Why not ? If they are your friends, then you should educate them on the health hazards to themselves and yourself.

Because not only are you eating but you are also breathing in poison while you eat.

PeterHng
03-01-2013, 10:37 AM
ps. One way that may help to reduce worry is to do the right thing between 29 apr and 27 june… !! ;)


yes !!

Tham
04-01-2013, 07:29 AM
It is the same analogy as below..

If you were to randomly cross a busy road full of racing cars instead of at quiet roads, there is a higher possibility you will be knocked down in busy roads.

Just because you have not been knocked down at busy roads doesn't mean it is safe to run across whenever you can.

So stop smoking.





Apparently you still can't seem to understand that there are several types of lung cancer,
and you have the impression that are safe from lung cancer just because you don't smoke,
or inhale second hand smoke.

This American woman in the Immortality Institute's forum some years ago couldn't really
believe nor understand too that nonsmoking women tend to get lung adenocarcinoma, and
I had a hard time explaining it to her.

Cancer is an extremely complex disease, with countless genes, genetic pathways and
biochemical signalling pathways involved.

And you have also forgotten that the human being is an extremely complex organism as well.


I'm quite familiar with adenocarcinomas of the lung, having researched it on behalf of the
cancer lady in our Ipoh offices, way back in 1996, long before I even had access to the internet.


Smoking is just a risk factor, and doesn't cause lung cancer by itself. The major determining
factor in many lung cancer cases is genetics. If you are predisposed to certain genetic
mutations, particularly at the 5p15.33 locus, you will stand a very good chance of ending up
with lung cancer (and many other types of cancers as well), whether or not you smoke.


Furthermore, particularly in adenocarcinomas, gender is a prime factor - if you are female,
you are already at a big disadvantage.

Race as well - if you are Chinese, you already already predisposed. Again,
genetics are involved here.


" Nasopharyngeal cancer, and lung cancer in females, had high rates in both the countries
of birth and in migrants to Australia. Nasopharyngeal cancer rates were highest in
China/Taiwan and Hong Kong-born migrants, and were also significantly high in migrants
from Malaysia/Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines. Rates of lung cancer were significantly
high in women born in China/Taiwan, and the excess was greater for adenocarcinoma than
for squamous cell carcinoma.[/b] Melanoma had low rates in both the migrants and in the
countries of birth. For these cancers, it was probable that genetic factors, or environmental
factors acting prior to migration, were important in causation. "


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2033584/



" East-Asian (EA) patients with non-small-cell lung cancer (NSCLC) are associated
with a high proportion of nonsmoking women ..... "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21521776



" The data of 109 patients data was evaluated. The mean age was 59.40 +/- 11.56
and 17 (15.6%) patients were smokers. "

" ..... in non-smokers adenocarcinoma was significantly higher than smokers (44.9%/17.7%) "


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18932027



" Half of the female patients with adenocarcinoma in East Asia are never-smokers.
Ninety-three proteins were found to have high accuracy in discriminating between
adenocarcinoma with or without smoking history. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18259942



The 5p15.33 locus is associated with risk of lung adenocarcinoma in never-smoking females in Asia.

" ..... genetic variation in the CLPTM1L-TERT locus of chromosome 5p15.33
is directly associated with the risk of lung cancer, most notably adenocarcinoma.


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1001051



" MET gene copy status was not associated with gender, smoking history, histology, or stage. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20107422

ng
04-01-2013, 02:01 PM
Apparently you still can't seem to understand that there are several types of lung cancer,



you can't seem to understand that we cannot do anything about genetically disposed cancer but we can avoid those that we can control eg. smoking, eating carcinogens etc.

Do you see any hospitals in the world that allow smoking inside hospitals ? Why ?

Let me give you another analogy

We cannot avoid earthquake from happening but we can avoid living in earthquake prone areas.

In malaysia, i am not surprised that a lot of non smokers get lung cancer, it is because they are surrounded by second hand smoke from smokers wherever they go ie. coffeeshop etc.

kwchang
04-01-2013, 03:04 PM
..Do you see any hospitals in the world that allow smoking inside hospitals ? Why ?...
Obviously you too do not know the real answer. It is not that smoking is unhealthy..

When I was hospitalised many many years ago, the head nurse came to our 4-bedded room to remind the smokers not to smoke and she gave us a very logical reason why ... there are oxygen outlets at our bedside. If an emergency resuscitation is to be done, there will be probably excess oxygen in the room and a lighted cigarette would be dangerous.

If you think I am misinformed, check this (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_smoking_is_not_allowed_in_hospital_administeri ng_oxygen_inhalation) out

Charbroiled
04-01-2013, 04:02 PM
It is not that smoking is unhealthy..

When I was hospitalised many many years ago, the head nurse came to our 4-bedded room to remind the smokers not to smoke and she gave us a very logical reason why ... there are oxygen outlets at our bedside. If an emergency resuscitation is to be done, there will be probably excess oxygen in the room and a lighted cigarette would be dangerous.[/URL] outOic. So, a slow death isn't deemed dangerous enough huh? :p

kwchang
04-01-2013, 04:44 PM
Oic. So, a slow death isn't deemed dangerous enough huh? :p
I get your sarcasm but in the hospital during a situation of oxygen-rich environment, a lighted cigarette could <strike>mean an explosion in the ward with casualties</strike> become a fire-hazard. It is just a safety precaution especially for labs and hospitals. Just to put the real reason in place in case laymen assumptions evolve the original reason for no-smoking regulations in certain places

Charbroiled
04-01-2013, 04:59 PM
Chang, I was just kidding around. I always believe in humor. No humor. No fun. :mua-haha:

Rhiga
04-01-2013, 06:57 PM
... a lighted cigarette could mean an explosion in the ward with casualties. It is just a safety precaution especially for labs and hospitals. Just to put the real reason in place in case laymen assumptions evolve the original reason for no-smoking regulations in certain places


Chang,

I have little knowledge in oxygen but I found your explanation rather strange..

Oxygen does not burn. It only supports combustion.

I am not sure a lighted cigarette can cause oxygen to ignite and hence subsequent explosion from the ignition, without the presence of fuel ??

If there is indeed an explosion, I think the oxygen must have been compressed. The rapid pressure release causes the "explosion".

Tham
04-01-2013, 07:57 PM
In malaysia, i am not surprised that a lot of non smokers get lung cancer, it is because they are surrounded by second hand smoke from smokers wherever they go ie. coffeeshop etc.



If that was true, then the Malays, being heavy smokers, would have
lots of lung cancer cases too.

But despite that, the Chinese have almost double the incidence.

The main reason - genetics, followed by diet.

Unless you live with a chain smoker and sleep in the same room as him/her,
or go to crowded pub every night typically packed with lots of smokers, the
danger of second hand smoke is minimal.

How many smokers would there be in a coffee shop, which is typically open air
at a corner with lots of good ventilation, how often do you sit right at the same
table with one, and moreover, how long are you going to be there ?

You would do better to reduce your risk by not going so often to the same coffee shop
for your favourite nightly supper of Hokkien chow, fried all black and oily.

I've come across so many cases of colon cancer these few years, all Chinese.

kwchang
04-01-2013, 10:15 PM
Chang,
I have little knowledge in oxygen but I found your explanation rather strange...
You are absolutely right. Altho Chemistry was my worst subject, I do know that oxygen is only a supporter of combustion but it does not burn by itself. Look at this PDF document (http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/hse8.pdf) where it explains why oxygen is dangerous.

My mistake to say an explosion would occur. Apologies for the error. I have edited out the erroneous statement.
Oxygen being a combustion supporter would cause other material to burn more easily and thus in an oxygen enriched environment (perhaps due to leaking from the O2 outlet inn the wall), it can still be a fire hazard.

ng
04-01-2013, 11:43 PM
Obviously you too do not know the real answer. It is not that smoking is unhealthy..



While it may be true that some hospitals disallow smoking due to fire hazards but the other reason is that smoking is also harmful. Read

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2005-05-24/news/0505230437_1_smoking-indoors-private-smoking-bar-smoking

Quote:

"It's about encouraging people to lead healthier lives and lead by example," said Dr. Derek Raghavan, chairman of the clinic's cancer center in Cleveland. "As employers, it's reasonable to set a high health standard. It drives me nuts when I see 10 nurses and 10 porters in uniform smoking. What kind of message do we send to my patients?""

Another example:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/10/should-hospitals-do-more-to-accommodate-patients-who-smoke.html

Quote:

"Hospitals across Canada have smoke-free policies for their buildings and grounds to reduce exposure to second-hand smoke for employees, patients and visitors near entrances and in parking lots. "

SiangMalam
05-01-2013, 02:21 AM
And the matron asked Tun Lim Kheng Yaik why he was still sneaking into the toilet to smoke, he said "too late already lah..." and this time, he was right :heheheh:

Tham
05-01-2013, 10:55 AM
Rather than trying your best to avoid secondhand cigarette smoke, taking
supplements would confer you far more protection from lung, colon and other cancers.


Garlic :

The sulfur compounds, found more in Kyolic, the aged garlic extract -
diallyl disulfide (DAS), diallyl trisulfide (DATS) and s-allylmercaptocysteine (SAMC)
- are potent cancer fighters.


A549, H358 and H1299 are lung adenocarcinoma cell lines. H460 is a large cell
lung cancer line, which comprise about 10 per cent of nonsmall cell lung cancers.


Diallyl trisulfide selectively causes Bax- and Bak-mediated apoptosis in human lung cancer cells.

" DATS was significantly more effective than either diallyl sulfide or diallyl disulfide
against proliferation of lung cancer cells. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2656596/



Apoptosis induction in human lung adenocarcinoma cells by oil-soluble allyl sulfides:
triggers, pathways, and modulators.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19197990



Note that p53 is our first-line genetic defence against cancer.


Effects of allyl sulfur compounds and garlic extract on the expression of
Bcl-2, Bax, and p53 in non small cell lung cancer cell lines.

" The level of p53 protein in H460 cell was increased following DADS treatment. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11048643/

http://www.e-emm.or.kr/article/article_files/emm32-3-5.pdf



Aged garlic extract has potential suppressive effect on colorectal adenomas in humans.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/3/821S.long


Effects of a series of organosulfur compounds on mitotic arrest and
induction of apoptosis in colon cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16170031/



Diallyl trisulfide suppresses the proliferation and induces apoptosis of
human colon cancer cells through oxidative modification of beta-tubulin.

http://www.jbc.org/content/280/50/41487.long

ng
05-01-2013, 03:47 PM
And the matron asked Tun Lim Kheng Yaik why he was still sneaking into the toilet to smoke, he said "too late already lah..." and this time, he was right :heheheh:

Nothing is too late if you have the will power to change for the better.

There are many cases of people stopping smoking after lung cancer, stopping meat eating after cancer at an advanced old age.

SiangMalam
06-01-2013, 01:07 AM
Nothing is too late if you have the will power to change for the better.

There are many cases of people stopping smoking after lung cancer, stopping meat eating after cancer at an advanced old age.

True too what you have said Ng but for some the philosophy of life differs.... for some, if life ain't fun no more, and if one becomes a burden to oneself or to the other loved ones, why stick around? We burden others who have a lot of living to do and take away that privilege from them, might as well sign the bottom line and pledge everything to them and charity and try our luck again the other side...

ng
06-01-2013, 10:46 AM
True too what you have said Ng but for some the philosophy of life differs.... ..

I am surprised that many people think that cancer is a quick and painless death.

Rather, it is a slow and painful death. And you call that 'fun' ?

Go to hospitals and see for yourself the cancer patients....

SiangMalam
06-01-2013, 01:52 PM
I am surprised that many people think that cancer is a quick and painless death.

Rather, it is a slow and painful death. And you call that 'fun' ?

Go to hospitals and see for yourself the cancer patients....

You are making sweeping statements and assumptions bro.... my Dad died a painful death of cancer and so did my Mum who had cancer of her colons.... she died at the Toa Payoh Hospital in Singapore and I was with her last few days of her life and I have seen it. Thanks for your concern, your advices etc but sometimes some of us people look at life with different approaches, some of us do know the intricacies and although we look and act irresponsibly including in our postings in here, we just approach life differently... live and let live, bro...

Last year I lost a colleague from Nestle... he was known as Mr Maggi Mee and sometimes Mr 2-minute Manager because of many many years managing that product group. He bought a 3-storey bungalow in Glenmarie as a wedding present for his only child, his daughter, who was getting married soon and was supervising the massive renovation work when one morning he found blood in his urine.... He died within 2 months from the date of that discovery... non smoker, non drinker and a very keen sportsman too... died less than a year after retiring at 55... didn't even get to see the house complete nor the daughter got hitched... it was in The Star paper too... so Ng, life can take different course for different folks...

Tham
26-04-2013, 09:37 PM
Malays in peninsular Malaysia may have the
lowest incidence of stomach cancer in the world.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852334

EricK
29-04-2013, 01:00 PM
You are making sweeping statements and assumptions bro.... my Dad died a painful death of cancer and so did my Mum who had cancer of her colons.... she died at the Toa Payoh Hospital in Singapore and I was with her last few days of her life and I have seen it. Thanks for your concern, your advices etc but sometimes some of us people look at life with different approaches, some of us do know the intricacies and although we look and act irresponsibly including in our postings in here, we just approach life differently... live and let live, bro...

Last year I lost a colleague from Nestle... he was known as Mr Maggi Mee and sometimes Mr 2-minute Manager because of many many years managing that product group. He bought a 3-storey bungalow in Glenmarie as a wedding present for his only child, his daughter, who was getting married soon and was supervising the massive renovation work when one morning he found blood in his urine.... He died within 2 months from the date of that discovery... non smoker, non drinker and a very keen sportsman too... died less than a year after retiring at 55... didn't even get to see the house complete nor the daughter got hitched... it was in The Star paper too... so Ng, life can take different course for different folks...

yes different for different people. u do not know whether you will die a miserable death or go quickly. i'd rather live healthily and minimise the chance rather than live la vida loca and hope for the best. Diet and lifestyle do make a difference ..

bslee
29-04-2013, 02:22 PM
i'd rather live healthily and minimise the chance rather than live la vida loca and hope for the best. Diet and lifestyle do make a difference ..

My dirty feelings and experience here in this forum have taught me, its NEVER a good policy to advise or coax people here what to do with their personal lives. People just have the knack of rebuts,oppose or retorts to whatever one may believe or subscribe to. I always reckon people here are very clever and extremely wise enough to know hat they're doing or manage their own lives. There's lorry loads of documented advice that are easily found anywhere in this virtual space or hearsay. If people want to smoke cigarettes for whatever reason, let them carry on. Same like me, I know and well aware of the danger of it all..but I'm addicted to tobacco and find it quite difficult to give it up just like that. Ok..said my piece. JAGA EKOR SENDIRI DULU..Mau beli nombor ekor...mempersilakan!... :heheheh:

Tham
02-05-2013, 04:22 AM
There's one risk far higher than cigarette smoke, fresh or secondhand for that matter,
that most people would not have thought, let alone heard of.

Light.

Blue light.

White light, which is mostly blue light. (A good example are those glaring
whitish xenon headlights of today's cars.)

Night shift work.



Why ? Night shift work, white and blue light at night, knocks out the circadian
secretion of cancer-protective melatonin by the pituitary.








Total visual blindness is protective against breast cancer.

" ..... women with NPL (no perception of light) had a significantly lower prevalence
of breast cancer than women with LP (light perception) (odds ratio, 0.43). "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19649715



" A 2004 study of chicken hens by Moore CB and Siopes TD found that
ovarian tumors grew rapidly in LD 16:8 but shrank in LD 8:16. This is
quite amazing. All that was changed were the hours of darkness and
the tumors went away. "

https://www.lowbluelights.com/cancer_faq.asp


" It was clear from this study that the growth of solid ovarian tumors in the
turkey breeder hen was promoted by long photoperiods and ceased, to the
point of remission, on short photoperiods. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15159691


A: It is a well-known fact in medical circles that blind women have a lower
incidence of cancer than their sighted counterparts, and that women who work
evening shifts (and are thus exposed to light when others are sleeping) have a
markedly higher rate of the disease than those who don't. "


" Q: Are women especially at risk?

A: Unfortunately, they are. There is a growing body of evidence that the increasing
rate of breast cancer may be associated with blue light. It involves the hormones
melatonin and estrogen. Estrogen is known to promote tumor growth, but is
moderated by melatonin. Blue lights, however, suppress the secretion of melatonin,
an antioxidant. "

https://www.lowbluelights.com/cancer_faq.asp



" Even very low levels of blue light, such as are emitted by a single bright blue LED,
are enough to suppress melatonin levels. It's perhaps important to understand that the
blue light receptors in the retina which affect melatonin levels are independent of our
visual system. In other words we don't 'see' with them. "

http://texyt.com/bright+blue+leds+annoyance+health+risks


Nighttime use of special spectacles or light bulbs that block blue light may
reduce the risk of cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19375243



Nighttime light level co-distributes with breast cancer incidence worldwide.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20680434/



" These results are the first to show that the tumor growth response to exposure to light
during darkness is intensity dependent and that the human nocturnal, circadian melatonin
signal not only inhibits human breast cancer growth but that this effect is extinguished by
short-term ocular exposure to bright, white light at night. "

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/23/11174.long

Tham
02-05-2013, 04:28 AM
Coming back to melatonin, light at night and cancer.


" Women with previous or current breast cancer should be advised not
to work night shifts because of strong experimental evidence demonstrating
accelerated tumor growth by suppression of melatonin secretion. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/22349009/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22349009/)



Melatonin, environmental light, and breast cancer.

" The anticarcinogenic action on MCF-7 cells has been demonstrated at the
physiological concentrations of melatonin attained at night, suggesting thereby
that melatonin acts like an endogenous antiestrogen. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/17541739/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17541739/)



Light at Night, Shiftwork, and Breast Cancer Risk.

http://jnci.oxfordjo...93/20/1513.long (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/20/1513.long)



Light at night co-distributes with incident breast but not lung cancer in the
female population of Israel.

" ..... 73% higher breast cancer incidence in the highest LAN exposed communities "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/18293150/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18293150/)

http://www.montgomer...ChronoInt08.pdf (http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Departments/planet/Shows/Light%20Pollution/ChronoInt08.pdf)



Melatonin production and light exposure of rotating night workers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/22324558/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22324558/)



Circadian disruption, sleep loss, and prostate cancer risk:
a systematic review of epidemiologic studies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/22564869/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22564869/)



Correlation of the risk of breast cancer and disruption of the circadian rhythm.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/22664950/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22664950/)



Therapeutic actions of melatonin in cancer: possible mechanisms.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/18815150/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18815150/)




The Nurses' Health Studies, NHS and NHSII.


Rotating night shifts and risk of breast cancer in women participating
in the nurses' health study.

http://jnci.oxfordjo...93/20/1563.long (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/20/1563.long)



Urinary Melatonin Levels and Postmenopausal Breast Cancer
Risk in the Nurses' Health Study Cohort

http://cebp.aacrjour...nt/18/1/74.full (http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/18/1/74.full)



Night Shift Work and the Risk of Endometrial Cancer.

http://cancerres.aac...7/21/10618.full (http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/67/21/10618.full)



Night-Shift Work and Risk of Colorectal Cancer in the Nurses&rsquo; Health Study.

http://jnci.oxfordjo.../95/11/825.full (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/11/825.full)



No increased risk for ovarian cancer.

Rotating night shift work and risk of ovarian cancer.

http://cebp.aacrjour...t/20/5/934.long (http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/20/5/934.long)



Reduced risk of skin cancers, especially melanomas.

Rotating Night Shifts and Risk of Skin Cancer in the Nurses&rsquo; Health Study

" This association was strongest for cutaneous melanoma; working 10 years
or more of rotating night shifts was associated with 44% decreased risk of
melanoma, after adjustment for melanoma risk factors .... darker-haired
women had the lowest risk. "

http://jnci.oxfordjo.../103/7/602.full (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/103/7/602.full)



Putting cancer to sleep at night: the neuroendocrine/circadian melatonin signal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16217131 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16217131)



Illuminating the deleterious effects of light at night.

http://f1000.com/reports/m/3/18



How Bright the Night ? Light and Human Health.

http://www.illinoisl...rg/health2.html (http://www.illinoislighting.org/health2.html)





Night-time lights bring insects, disease.

http://www.environme...insects-disease (http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/night-time-light-brings-insects-disease)




Physiological effects of blue and red lights.

http://www.powerwatc...hts-2012-03.pdf (http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/library/downloads/red-blue-lights-2012-03.pdf)




Disruption of Circadian Rhythms: A Crucial Factor in the Etiology of Depression.

http://www.hindawi.c...rt/2011/839743/ (http://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2011/839743/)



Light at Night Causes Changes in Brain Linked to Depression.

http://www.scienceda...01117184350.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117184350.htm)



" These results demonstrate dim light at night is sufficient to reduce synaptic spine
connections to CA1. Importantly, the present results suggest that night-time low
level illumination, comparable to levels that are pervasive in North America and
Europe, may contribute to the increasing prevalence of mood disorders. "


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21292405 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21292405)

Jennylim
03-05-2013, 11:02 AM
Cancer happens more to pendatang !! :eek:

Maybe because pendatang have more worries ??

Have to worry more of children educational fund as the pendatang status cannot easily get scholarships and choice of preferred studies compare to the stress-less prince and princess…

Have to worry more because they have to pay more to buy the same same house although likely they paid more in income tax... Extra 7% more for a pathetic link house in USJ is almost 50k in $$ !!

Have to worry more of retirement life in private practice as the pendatang status give little chance to them to enjoy the generous public retirement perks like the majority apanama .. hence have to work harder and find new job or more jobs to save more....

The worry list can go on… and all this additional worries can contribute to higher cancer risk !! no ??

ps. one way that may help to reduce worry is to do the right thing between 29 Apr and 27 June… !! ;)

Agree. More and more reports are pointing to stress and pressure! Four peoples I knew had cancer (2 passed away) have nothing to do with meat but stressful life. They are too diligent, alway go the extra miles, do they best type, simple food.