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Jennylim
27-07-2012, 10:22 AM
I heard about these cases:

These specialists striked when you are most vulnerable!

1. A patient went to see a specialist and was asked to do a CT scan. After the procedure, the patient felt so not right and queried the doctor why was that necessary, he counldn't gave a satisfactory answer, eventually applogize to the patient saying he was under pressure to recommend the procedure.

2. A patient see a specialist for pain at certain part of the body. The x-ray shows nothing wrong, but the doctor said better you do an ops to prevent uncurable sickness. The doctor was pushy and adviced the patient to do the surgery the next day. The patient was panic but didn't agreed because so happen he had something important going on the next day. He was worry, coincidently he met a doctor friend, a GP, who then advice him to take a type of pill and told him there's really nothing to worry about. It turn out the friend was right. That save him the cut and the money!

3. A patient see a doctor for a health problem, the doctor "pushed" him to be admitted right away, so that he can be operated next day just in case the condition required a surgery to be done as soon as possible. The patient was in pain and agreed. The ops was done, more than RM14k spent and problem was not solved, so the doctor asked for second ops which will cost another RM20K. Upset with the result, the patient went seek second opinion and was told it was a wrong method to apply. The patient decided to go for second ops with second specialist, all in it cost less then RM12K. Who would think that the first specialist who was a local U medical lecturer don't know what to do with the patient? To the patient, it seems this doctor is trying to make the most out of his condition!

4. A patient went to see a doctor with some medical problem, without the patient's consent, the doctor took some tissue sample and charge her for lab test fees. The bill came up to RM400+. When she saw the bill then only she realised there is this lab test. What she was unhappy about: 1- no briefing and didn't get her consent, 2. the sample was taken at a wrong timing render it useless. It is like doing a sugar level test after having a cup of sirap!

Today's paper, doctor's fees will be 14% higher!
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/7/27/nation/11737518&sec=nation

There seems to be over supplied of doctors, are they out there to hunt?

cml
27-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Another 1malaysia boleh project. The usual crap about being provided with better services will be spread around by the msm and the rakyat are again suckered again!!

jan tomaswaki
27-07-2012, 01:26 PM
jenny,my late mum also face the same fate,the gynae insist of operating my 84yr old mum after discovering a tumor in her abdomen,despite i object it,the next day he also insist of operating saying" very simple procedure,just remove it and kautim".I ask the gynae doc "can her heart take it".?Later we discharge her after 2 night stay in the hospital doing nothing but pay RM5500.00:eek:

cml
27-07-2012, 01:58 PM
A friends wife went for a mamogram and discovered there was a non malignant growth. Was advised to remove it. Went for a second opinion with her own gynae who said it was not necessary. Just have to monitor it from time to time during the yearly medicals. Actually nowadays dont know who to believe.

Naka
27-07-2012, 02:05 PM
I heard many such stories in Boleh & Indonesia.....some of these doctors are out to hunt.....best always to ask for 2nd or 3rd opinion.

cml
27-07-2012, 02:39 PM
thats why the rich indons all go to spore for their medical treatment. Boleh wants to sell itself as a medical tourist destination but before they can get there , there has to be a pool of highly qualified doctors/surgeons which you cannot churn out by having more universities/medical colleges. They have to earn their reputation and that is sadly not the case in our bolehland .

currymee
27-07-2012, 03:18 PM
This is a "standard" practice in my family ... whenever any of us is diagnosed with a serious ailment that needs SURGERY ... we will seek a second opinion in another medical centre (never with another doctor in the same centre), and when we are at the second medical centre, we openly tell the doctor there that we are there to seek his/her second opinion.

Should we need a 3rd opinion, we go down to Spore and usually to a well-known Orchard hospital ;) . After that, we decide. The Spore doctors at that particular hospital are so well-paid and loaded that their reputations mean more than money and usually at the cutting-edge of medical science ... unlike local doctors. A few of my relatives have avoided many unnecesary surgeries recommended by local consultants after seeking 2nd/3rd opinion down South.

currymee
27-07-2012, 03:26 PM
For those (like me) who fear that the doctors diagnosing me here are half-past-six in qualification - here is my SIMPLE screening test - I just check the doctor's credential: I look for a doctor who is NON-BUMI and first medical degree (MBBS) is from University Malaya (UM) ... I know he/she is among the BEST in the country !! Second degree, (specialisation) preferably from UK or USA .... Medical degrees from other local universities can go fly kites ....

You can call me RACIST but heck, it is MY LIFE and MY HEALTH, I do my own medical selection and screening of the best doctor that I will ENTRUST MY LIFE in his/her hands !! :)

tupai
27-07-2012, 03:50 PM
believe or not up to u lah.

A friend's friend's 80+yr father was admitted and treated for lung cancer (yrs of smoking blahblah blah lah) :eek: and after a period of hosp time and lot$a money spent on 'treatment tis&tat', was asked to go home and wait 3+/- months to meet his maker. Family was in state of shock and siblings started to fly back from here & there...Collectively, another siblings' based decision was made to have the old fella sent to that lil' red dot, for another checkup/treatment etcetc...

Today 9mths on, the octogenarian is very much alive, kicking, (still puff but quality cigar now) and reserve his aplenty cusses' for quakes here.

Octo was correctly diagnosed as having a bad case of tuberculosis by the lil red dotters...TB is a disease supposedly eradicated in bolehland hence the blur $otong$ here do not know the $ign$.

Malpracti$ed suits ala western style? this is apanamabolehland...its like akin to macC to investigate and the julisial to trial/jail the AntonyGeneralissimo lah. Peilik tapi benar!:cool:

Yang Ada Bershocking tales TIU xlatupai:eek:

rospet
27-07-2012, 03:57 PM
A friends wife went for a mamogram and discovered there was a non malignant growth. Was advised to remove it. Went for a second opinion with her own gynae who said it was not necessary. Just have to monitor it from time to time during the yearly medicals. Actually nowadays dont know who to believe.

My friends wife noticed that there was a benign cyst on her breast and her doctor from a private hospital advised that it is not necessary to remove it. After a year, it became malignant. It happened to my another female friend, same case and the doctor from UH advised her to remove it ASAP and now she is healthy. IMO, anything grow on our body should remove ASAP.

Jennylim
27-07-2012, 03:58 PM
jenny,my late mum also face the same fate,the gynae insist of operating my 84yr old mum after discovering a tumor in her abdomen,despite i object it,the next day he also insist of operating saying" very simple procedure,just remove it and kautim".I ask the gynae doc "can her heart take it".?Later we discharge her after 2 night stay in the hospital doing nothing but pay RM5500.00:eek:

Well, my late mom has a different situation, hers was colon infection, but the doctor was more careful, a Mister from USA, he told my family, she was not fit to do the ops, therefore just gave antibiotic and monitor her. She turn out all right. That was in Assunta. At the same time, we learnt from another doctor (my mom has a number of health problems)there, the key doctor for my mom was not qualify to treat my mom because my mom's sickness has nothing to do with his specialty. Guess he just took the job to earn himself some money!

rospet
27-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Few years back, i have a digestive ( stomach ) problem and went for an upper/lower scope + CT scan in a private hospital. It shown nothing and 2 weeks later, i went for blood test in a normal clinic and asked for a tumour marker ( CA 199 ) test and my reading was above 1000u ( normal less that 7u ). I m nervous and went back to the same doctor and he asked me to do another CT scan again ( still nothing ) and asked me to come back 6 months later. After 6 months, my blood test result shown 2800u and again the doctor asked me to go for PET scan. The result is ok but the Nuclear Medicine Physcial asked me to go for " Endoscopic Ultrasound " for pancreas and i did.
Now, 3 years pass, i never go for any medical check up because i myself have done all the above test within 6 months. Enough is enough. If you were me, what can you do ?

IanQ
27-07-2012, 06:34 PM
Should we need a 3rd opinion, we go down to Spore and usually to a well-known Orchard hospital ;) . After that, we decide. The Spore doctors at that particular hospital are so well-paid and loaded that their reputations mean more than money and usually at the cutting-edge of medical science ... unlike local doctors.

This is a chicken and egg problem. Here we are lamenting that doctor charges are too high, and yet our doctors are too poor and hence they are "under" pressure to do as much ops/treatment as possible to earn his living. What went wrong here? It is our Malaysian culture of not paying for proper skill/service and our culture of lowballing everyone's income. Hence why we are a low cost country, and we have brain drain.

If wish to criticize, look at the hospital charges. Our Malaysia's doctor charges are amongst the lowest in the world. The hospitals, on the other hand, just charge like mad and if patient did not settle the bill, the patient is then a prisoner within the hospital and still billed on daily basis.

zinglicious
27-07-2012, 09:18 PM
Salesman: Doc, with this capsules taken, you patients can be spared the agony and medical risks of undergoing surgery where it should be the last resort. Moreover, the cost of these oral treatment is less than the surgery in the breast lumps.

Doc : With my hand in surgery, I be spared the agony on how to pay for my BMW as how much do you think I can charge for prescribing the capsules instead of cutting the patients up?"

( a true story with names and drugs withheld for obvious reason )

cskok8
27-07-2012, 10:17 PM
Everyone will have some horror story to tell about some profession or other and every profession has its black sheep. The onus is on the consumer/patient to exercise some common sense.

1. Avoid establishments where doctors own / get a cut from investigations. Doctors are human and some may be tempted to order investigations just to fulfill some quota/monthly repayment.
2. His/her explanation on what is the problem and how to solve it must make sense. Performing surgery immediately to prevent a future problem does not sound plausible unless it is explained clearly what is to be achieved.
3. Seek a second opinion if you have any doubts. Very few surgery is an immediate emergency (only to save life or limb). Fractures can wait a few hours to a few days. Appendicitis can wait a few hours. Major bleeding somewhere cannot.
4. Get the above opinion from credible people, not some uncle, grandfather, nephew, politician, this forum etc.

If you are not prepared to pay for private medical care, go to the govt hospitals.

Jennylim
28-07-2012, 12:23 AM
They striked when you are most vulnerable! You go to see a doctor because you have a medical condition, they knew there is no better time then when you felt trouble and needed a solution.

There is this man went for Apnea test. The doctor asked if he has any other problems, patient said no. Doctor then checked his nose and concluded that he has mild sinus. The patient said no symptons of sinus, why is there sinus. Doctor said mild one, do a CT scan to confirm first before do the Apnea test. The patient was reluctant but gave in because he has a condition which concerns him and doctor said he has to do the scan first.

Obviuosly the scan result was clear of any problems. The patient think the doctor has been unethical and decided not to go for the follow up visit. To him the doctor is there just to get the most money out of his situation!

I used to trust doctors and think they are professional in their jobs. All the above cases that I have mentioned happened to people I knew in my small circle of friends. I wonder how many other such cases out there, that leads me to think, SJMC's business is so good, how many percent of time the patients are there because they needed a treatment, how many percent of the time they are there just to be a money tree for unscrupulous specialists!

There is no acceptable excuse for a doctor to put a patient through unnecessary worry and agony. A friend said, may be we should have a database of who are these doctors and others would not become a victim. How can we do this so that we wouldn't get sue? Can we said this guy is a former lecturer in UKM, and he is a colon specialist or something of that sort?

On the hand, isn't it sad, for a parent to spend million to put his child through a medical course and in the end, the specialist has to resort to cheating to show the parents he is doing well!

In four years there will be another 5000 doctors out to find a living. By then the patients may be sick but have to be mentally strong so not be an easy prey to unscrupulous doctors.

Jennylim
28-07-2012, 12:34 AM
[b]I look for a doctor who is NON-BUMI and first medical degree (MBBS) is from University Malaya (UM) ... I know he/she is among the BEST in the country !!

:)

Agreed, I knew several of them. They are peoples I called really smart guys, very ethical too! However, this might not be true in the next few years, if you noticed, unlike before, nowadays the best students don't always get to study there!

SiangMalam
28-07-2012, 01:52 AM
When I was in Form 4 and 5 in ACS Seremban, two of my classmates who can't dissect a rabbit and a frog in the biology lab and can't tell which is which internal organs became doctors in Hyderabad and now SPECIALISTS LAH DEI in a hospital nearer to you than you think!! Now I only trust myself and seek second and third opinions....

SiangMalam
28-07-2012, 01:56 AM
MBBS (Malaya) of the 70s and 80s were creme de la creme of the science stream non-Bumi students. To get into MBBS (Malaya) then, you need 5 principal A's and a GP of not worst than 3.... I know quite a few of them during my undergrad days in UM... they may be geeks but they were damn good geeks! (OK OK... you civil engineering and dentistry guys were just as good....)

currymee
28-07-2012, 07:57 AM
This is a chicken and egg problem. Here we are lamenting that doctor charges are too high, and yet our doctors are too poor and hence they are "under" pressure to do as much ops/treatment as possible to earn his living. What went wrong here? It is our Malaysian culture of not paying for proper skill/service and our culture of lowballing everyone's income. Hence why we are a low cost country, and we have brain drain.

If wish to criticize, look at the hospital charges. Our Malaysia's doctor charges are amongst the lowest in the world. The hospitals, on the other hand, just charge like mad and if patient did not settle the bill, the patient is then a prisoner within the hospital and still billed on daily basis.

It is NOT THE CHARGES that is my main grouse with LOCAL DOCTORS but the QUALITY !! I am happy to pay TOP $$ for good doctors and I have done so many times for my GP, my children's paeds, my opthalmologist etc ... but FINDING these fellows was tough (afetr going through many other doctors) and what I eventually noticed one day when I review all my doctors were that all of them were non-Bumis and MBBS (UMalaya) from 1970s and 80s (SiangMalam was spot on !!) Now, this is how I pre-select !!

We all know about NEP and what is "supposed" to do :) and what NEP HAD ACTUALLY DONE !! :mad:


Agreed, I knew several of them. They are peoples I called really smart guys, very ethical too! However, this might not be true in the next few years, if you noticed, unlike before, nowadays the best students don't always get to study there!

Yes, NEP may have denied some of our nation's best and brightest into the medical field BUT those non-Bumis that still get into UM's MBBS are still the cream of their generation . What concerns me the MOST (esp in medicine) is that students who are not qualified to start with are even allowed to study and practice medicine in the name of POLITICS - WTF !! :mad:

Yes, you can help the "under-privileged" to extra tuition, extra mentoring, extra classes, etc i.e. AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS to make them better ... BUT DON'T LOWER THE QUALIFICATION AND ENTRY LEVEL BAR esp into medicine !! But, the STUPID BN Govt through NEP has done just that - they BLOODY LOWERED THE ENTRY BAR for them (I know a few doctors who were my ex-classmates who cannot even get into top 20 of my class, only got 4-5As for SPM - basically crap in my class but of the "tuan" race, went to MRSM Matriculation, then UM and UKM medical schools and now Head of their respective departments in State GHs !! :eek: - I don't even trust them to diagnosed a STRAY DOG !!).

I heard this from my relative who is a GP (retired) but need to be reconfirmed - "Do you know that as a result of this "political" muck-around in quality that Malaysian universities medical degrees are NO LONGER AUTOMATICALLY RECOGNISED in UK and USA from early 1990s ? Our locally trained doctors who wanted to enter further studies have to sit for entry level exams as if you are from another African or South American country !!! :eek: "


MBBS (Malaya) of the 70s and 80s were creme de la creme of the science stream non-Bumi students. To get into MBBS (Malaya) then, you need 5 principal A's and a GP of not worst than 3.... I know quite a few of them during my undergrad days in UM... they may be geeks but they were damn good geeks! (OK OK... you civil engineering and dentistry guys were just as good....)

So far, I still have strong faith in the non-Bumis specilaists in UM Medical Centre (UMMC) - my prefered & reference medical centre, SJMC is just an emergency stop-gap !! as it is closest - not prefered at all !! And one day if I really lose my confident, I will just FLY DOWN SOUTH and go to Singapore's GENERAL HOSPITAL if I cannot afford Mount Elizabeth !! :D If the Spore immigration ask me why, I will tell them STRAIGHT, I TRUST YOUR HOSPITAL'S DOCTORS but not Malaysia's anymore !!

kwchang
28-07-2012, 10:21 AM
MBBS (Malaya) of the 70s and 80s ...To get into MBBS (Malaya) then, you need 5 principal A's and a GP of not worst than 3.... Not entirely true. Where I do not dispute the quality of MBBS (Malaya) of our days (I suspect we are roughly the same vintage), the passage level for entry for a non-Bumi (if you want to be specific) was actually 2A,2B and and a 1 for GP... although generally 4 Principal A is a sure door-opener for entry.... Hey, my fren, they didn't (and still don't) have 5 Principals, only 4. the 5th subject is GP.

I hear your commentary about the quality of our students. But let us not generalise to racial lines... we know the creme of Bumi kids get shipped to oversea medical schools and so we do have top gun medical professionals amongst them too. My point is ... you are entitled to your opinion but do not in one fell swoop behead the good ones in one swipe. Peace.

cml
28-07-2012, 10:32 AM
We were at the tail end of the education system which was conducted in English. we sat for mce and hsc. for medicine the requirement was at least 3a 1b and at least a 3 in gp to be reasonably sure of a place. Those who didnt get medicine would get dentistry instead. I do agree that the better ones amongst the 'chosen' ones were shipped out after mce to do their o levels in uk. Those who got 6a onwards were given scholarships to uk. Uk was the place those days, us and others had not really opened up as a education destination. These fellas would join us for a few months in form 6 before they went off. We all knew what was happening but it did not bother us. Practically all the top students stayed back to do their form 6 with the exception of some who were wealthy enough to be self sponsored. I had a friend who finished his mba at 21. We were from the express class, did our mce at 16. He went off to uk to do his a levels for a year and uni for 3 years and did his mba for a year after that. That chap is quite a senior fella in astro now.

palmdoc
28-07-2012, 10:59 AM
Few years back, i have a digestive ( stomach ) problem and went for an upper/lower scope + CT scan in a private hospital. It shown nothing and 2 weeks later, i went for blood test in a normal clinic and asked for a tumour marker ( CA 199 ) test and my reading was above 1000u ( normal less that 7u ). I m nervous and went back to the same doctor and he asked me to do another CT scan again ( still nothing ) and asked me to come back 6 months later. After 6 months, my blood test result shown 2800u and again the doctor asked me to go for PET scan. The result is ok but the Nuclear Medicine Physcial asked me to go for " Endoscopic Ultrasound " for pancreas and i did.
Now, 3 years pass, i never go for any medical check up because i myself have done all the above test within 6 months. Enough is enough. If you were me, what can you do ?

Requesting tumour markers for screening purposes is courting trouble as you can end up with false positive results leading to additional tests just to be sure it was a false positive. Be wary of requesting or going through unnecessary screening.

http://medicine.com.my/wp/index.php/2006/05/27/one-third-of-medical-screenings-performed-are-not-recommended/

cml
28-07-2012, 11:06 AM
Speaking of doctors, there was this guy from our batch who went to mu to do his medicine and he is the only doc I know who smokes occasionally. destress according to him.

SiangMalam
28-07-2012, 12:46 PM
Not entirely true. Where I do not dispute the quality of MBBS (Malaya) of our days (I suspect we are roughly the same vintage), the passage level for entry for a non-Bumi (if you want to be specific) was actually 2A,2B and and a 1 for GP... although generally 4 Principal A is a sure door-opener for entry.... Hey, my fren, they didn't (and still don't) have 5 Principals, only 4. the 5th subject is GP.

I hear your commentary about the quality of our students. But let us not generalise to racial lines... we know the creme of Bumi kids get shipped to oversea medical schools and so we do have top gun medical professionals amongst them too. My point is ... you are entitled to your opinion but do not in one fell swoop behead the good ones in one swipe. Peace.

Dead wrong and a misjudgement on your part Mr Moderator, my cardiologist is Dr Mohd Rafique from UKM and Dr Ahmad Nizar at Subang Jaya Sime Medical Centre... and if you can tell differences in name, you will notice that my cardiologists are Chinese, so did I in one swoop demonstrated my racist tendencies?

kwchang
28-07-2012, 01:14 PM
Dead wrong and a misjudgement on your part Mr Moderator, my cardiologist is Dr Mohd Rafique from UKM and Dr Ahmad Nizar at Subang Jaya Sime Medical Centre... and if you can tell differences in name, you will notice that my cardiologists are Chinese, so did I in one swoop demonstrated my racist tendencies?
Not so fast, i wasn't refering to your comments but to CurryMee's...

..... but FINDING these fellows was tough (afetr going through many other doctors) and what I eventually noticed one day when I review all my doctors were that all of them were non-Bumis .......the dangers of deleting another quote to reduce the length of my comment...aiyaa

Jennylim
28-07-2012, 02:12 PM
Not entirely true. Where I do not dispute the quality of MBBS (Malaya) of our days (I suspect we are roughly the same vintage), the passage level for entry for a non-Bumi (if you want to be specific) was actually 2A,2B and and a 1 for GP... although generally 4 Principal A is a sure door-opener for entry....


During my time never heard of such result can get you into UM to do MBBS. Engineering, may be! Other U are easier, UKM has lower requirement for non-bumi. Not only that, compare to UM, UKM has lower requirement for most of their courses. Lower requirement for second class upper too!

tupai
28-07-2012, 02:20 PM
I was fully and 100% cheated, ill advised by the eye surgeon in hospita beach downtown. He suggested 2-eye cataract operations (between 2?3?weeks) and after that crystal clear vision for next 50yrs life span.

Today, i lost my #1 interest, (Ok, i lied. My #4 interest after bikes, feminine sex, extreme sports all not necc in order) as I cant read for more than 20-30mins without strained, dried eyes. Plus more teruk sun-kong! asthematism (how the ikan u spell this thingy?) If i can time travel back to the past, I rather take back my -350 specs anytime. &^%%$$#!
This is the only regret I have in my long life thus far...

BTW, Just so ye all blur sotongs know. The surgery was to remove the early 'on-set' of cataract. %$@!*#^%#!@* later i found out any1 passed 40yrs old will have friggin' onset cataract and the fruit will only be fully ripen at 80?90yrs old? or vision gets really blurred whichever comes first!

Yes, the Rm12000 surgery was charged to insurance...maybe thats Y.

ALSO ah, that FRIGGING eye specalist dogtor was also wearing specky! ^%$#@#!@* Should have trusted my 1st instinct! &^%@$##^!


Yang Amat Benggang TIU xlatotupai:mad:

p/s Go check out how many doctors/specialists in Hussein Onn Eye hosp are wearing specks! :eek:including those optomestrist or whatever opto they called themselves...many 4eyes lah!

Jennylim
28-07-2012, 02:50 PM
I was fully and 100% cheated, ill advised by the eye surgeon in hospita beach downtown. He suggested 2-eye cataract operations (between 2?3?weeks) and after that crystal clear vision for next 50yrs life span.

ALSO ah, that FRIGGING eye specalist dogtor was also wearing specky! ^%$#@#!@* Should have trusted my 1st instinct! &^%@$##^!


Yang Amat Benggang TIU xlatotupai:mad:

p/s Go check out how many doctors/specialists in Hussein Onn Eye hosp are wearing specks! :eek:including those optomestrist or whatever opto they called themselves...many 4eyes lah!

My sister encountered similar problem after an ops(not related to cataract). The eye specialist said you are lucky you are still able to see, though with distortion! My sis said, she would rather have her old eye sight- in fact she suspected her eye sight problem at that time was just temporary eye sight problem! Appearently, the doctor who carried out the ops didn't even have a consultation session with her before the ops. The day she did the ops is the first time she met the doctor!

There was an article on Sin Chew few months back. There was this doctor, a well know eye specialist in Taiwan, after conducting laser surgery for a short time(may be 2 years, can't recalled) he stoped the business. He said he found the truth and can not go on lying to patients that the surgery is safe. He said though the success rate is high but still it is not safe!

Naka
28-07-2012, 04:11 PM
How much consultation time a Boleh GP allocate to a patient?

3 min, 10 min, 15 min?

Henry T
28-07-2012, 04:38 PM
How much consultation time a Boleh GP allocate to a patient?

3 min, 10 min, 15 min?

5 minutes, including the time you walk in and walk out of the consultation room. :D

Naka
28-07-2012, 04:51 PM
5 minutes, including the time you walk in and walk out of the consultation room. :D

How many patients a Boleh GP can see in a normal working day?

Is there a limit?

currymee
28-07-2012, 06:06 PM
KW,

I am refering to LOCAL GRADUATED DOCTORS - not to the cream of Bumi overseas trained doctors. BTW, maybe it is my bad luck, but until today, I have yet to meet one of these Bumi "cream doctors" unless you count Dr Mahathir (MAHA KLINIK) who was my family GP those early days !! :D Like him or hate him, he "was" a good family GP !!

I am also lamenting the Govt policy of LOWERING THE ENTRY BAR to medicine in the local universities for the "chosen" ones. Let's face the TRUE fact, STPM and matriculation are poles apart. We all know what is the standard of MATRICULATION is like .... Ask Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge or NUS if they recognise matriculation results .... they rather accept UEC than matriculation results !! :p

My wife teaches in a local university and complains daily that matriculation students can cause the lecturers to "vomit blood" ... both Bumis and non-Bumis matriculation students !!

For me, MEDICINE is one profession that you don't muck around with QUOTAS, LOWER ENTRY BAR etc .... and they did !!! :mad:

currymee
28-07-2012, 06:45 PM
ALL I WANT IS GOOD RELIABLE AND TRUSTWORTHY DOCTORS IN MALAYSIA ... I don't care what race or nationality ... but I am also pragmatic enough to know and have seen the years of political meddling into the training and selection of medical professionals, until,... it is NOW RISKY to go and see a doctor ... for they may BE REAL "QUALIFIED" QUACK DOCTORS !! :eek:

I yearn for the days when the REAL CREAM OF MALAYSIANS do become doctors ON PURE MERIT .... as real lives are in their hands - NO JOKE !!

You can mess around with quotas and lower entries for soldiers, police, teachers, engineers, accountants, etc ... BUT DON'T PLAY-PLAY WITH DOCTORS - I draw a THICK FAT LINE here !!

zinglicious
28-07-2012, 07:48 PM
CT scans are good diagnostic tool for patients, but they deliver much more radiation than x-rays and may be overused according to Barton Kamen, MD, PhD, chief medical officer for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Societ USA..

High doses of radiation can trigger leukemia, so make sure scans are not repeated if you see multiple doctors, and ask if another test, such as an ultrasound or MRI, could substitute.. One-third of CT scans could be unnecessary for doctors to make diagnosis.

Hospitals often encourage doctors to scan here or there and were given incentive to do so as it is lucrative just to duit it. :eek:

It is like most babies delivery are surgical induced instead of normal birth compared to yesteryears. it seems that the doctors have no patience to wait for long hours and can charge more if it is done with a cut. :eek:

rospet
28-07-2012, 10:47 PM
During my time never heard of such result can get you into UM to do MBBS. Engineering, may be! Other U are easier, UKM has lower requirement for non-bumi. Not only that, compare to UM, UKM has lower requirement for most of their courses. Lower requirement for second class upper too!

my school mate ( 1985 STPM ) scored 4A1B, UM Medicine, my senior ( 1984 STPM ), 3A2B UM Medicine and my junior ( 1986 STPM ), 4A1B UM Medicine but those 3A2B must wait for luck.

kuma
29-07-2012, 12:34 AM
How many patients a Boleh GP can see in a normal working day?

Is there a limit?

A "hard working GP" ;) once told me that once he crosses 150 patients for the day.....he's had it.....totally bushed, and needs to seek consultation himself. He usually consults his best buddy, Johnnie Walker to help him make it thro' the rest of the day :laugh:.....and then before he knows it.....it another day!!

Has Medicine come to a stage where its all about money?

Lets not generalize, there are lots of 'good' as in ethical, doctors still around....problem is, its getting harder for us to locate them....every industry has their 'unscrupulous practitioners'.....regretfully, the ones in the Medical Industry seem to be ever increasing as of late. Maybe its not all their fault,...... its the fact that they are part of an 'industry that's gone bad' as a result of the 'Big Boys'......But then again!.......once they get sucked in to that 'club'....the money's good....sometimes sooo good, that there's more than they can fill in their pockets....and then they are 'hooked'......and with it dies the Hippocratic Oath :eek: [of which, they have conveniently altered to suit the times]

Its not the Doctors Fault....Blame it on Big Pharma :heheheh:


http://youtu.be/BZ0RItQ-Y4U

SiangMalam
29-07-2012, 01:17 AM
During my time never heard of such result can get you into UM to do MBBS. Engineering, may be! Other U are easier, UKM has lower requirement for non-bumi. Not only that, compare to UM, UKM has lower requirement for most of their courses. Lower requirement for second class upper too!

Sorry disagree with you.... If you don't have 4 strong principal A's or B's, go elsewhere, no UM Medical Faculty, that I know..

Jennylim
29-07-2012, 10:15 AM
Sorry disagree with you....

I said I have never heard of 2A2B and 1 for GP is good enough to get into UM to do MBBS?

Jennylim
29-07-2012, 10:19 AM
5 minutes, including the time you walk in and walk out of the consultation room. :D

I was at a clinic in Taipan, in five minutes the GP seen 3 patients.

Naka
29-07-2012, 11:17 AM
[QUOTE=kuma;545624]A "hard working GP" ;) once told me that once he crosses 150 patients for the day.....he's had it.....totally bushed, and needs to seek consultation himself. He usually consults his best buddy, Johnnie Walker to help him make it thro' the rest of the day :laugh:.....and then before he knows it.....it another day!!

Has Medicine come to a stage where its all about money?

Lets not generalize, there are lots of 'good' as in ethical, doctors still around....problem is, its getting harder for us to locate them....every industry has their 'unscrupulous practitioners'.....regretfully, the ones in the Medical Industry seem to be ever increasing as of late. Maybe its not all their fault,...... its the fact that they are part of an 'industry that's gone bad' as a result of the 'Big Boys'......But then again!.......once they get sucked in to that 'club'....the money's good....sometimes sooo good, that there's more than they can fill in their pockets....and then they are 'hooked'......and with it dies the Hippocratic Oath :eek: [of which, they have conveniently altered to suit the times]

Its not the Doctors Fault....Blame it on Big Pharma :heheheh:


Hehehehe...:D

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I was having coffee with a retired Indonesian Surgeon this morning at Mac Donald here.

He said there is a GP in Jalan Timor, Medan who see 5 patients at a time. 5 patients would walk into his clinic & sit in a row & this GP would ask each one of his/her sickness & write out the script on the spot.

Now who can beat this!!:D

palmdoc
29-07-2012, 01:52 PM
Why bother to see a doctor? You can DIY :p

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tupai
29-07-2012, 02:44 PM
in my book, health cannot be measured by money spent/to be spent...Y would any1 wanna be the richest friggin' stiff in the cemetery? :p

Its the scruples of money minded greedy con artist doctor who uses his medical knowledge (??) as scare tactics on the 'poor' sick sod!.

And the 'poor' but sick sod could be an honest, god fearing successful multigodzillionaire who specialises in fabricating piston rings which the doctors also know nuts about!

...AND I heard more such scare tactics committed by private doctors than insurance salesperson, than unit trust consultants, and even tow truck vultures!:eek:

Yang Amat Berwaswas TIUxlatotupai:cool:

P/s My safeguard against such conmen doctors? (and i have failed too on this aspect on the eye dogtor..:eek:)

Get and retain your self a good GP, use him/her until deathbed (who ever comes 1st):heheheh: Once found, such a family GP will be an invaluable source for medic check up, advice, treatment, diagnostic and more importantly, credible referral to see the specialist (whom he/she also know & trust)...else, its a russian roulette with 3chambers loaded!:eek:

zinglicious
29-07-2012, 03:40 PM
What Tupai suggested is a good housekeeping move to ensure best of health care via GP. A good family GP would be helpful to suggest to you a list of specialists to treat difficult case from heart to plastic surgery. He would be competent enough to tell you about the pro and cons. In fact, with the letter of referral, you can be zoomed in to emergence treatment at the govt hospitals just like my brother in law who had a suspected cardiac arrest last weekend where most of the specialists were sleeping in the middle of the night.;)