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ivanhow
25-05-2012, 02:01 PM
Was this an unfortunate accident due to race for position or an attempted murder ?
Who do u think is at fault ? Why?

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SiangMalam
25-05-2012, 05:18 PM
i think the driver changed lane at high speed without seeing the bike at the " blind spot" and the bike couldn't escape at all but to keep going left until he hit the divider! it was unfortunate unintentional but how come the grey Ptoton car continued on n didn't stop?

tictactoe
25-05-2012, 05:52 PM
That black car overtake at high speed without indicator light. The bike was also overtaking at the same time. This place left hand drive. Not using signal lights and speeding is the problem. Don't think it was intentional.

ivanhow
25-05-2012, 08:53 PM
As the car was most probably left hand drive, travelling at high speed on the left side of road (this video footage was probably made in China) overtaking near the road divider, the driver probably just beside the motorcyclist.

The likelyhood that the motocyclist was in the middle lane close to the black car, while the black car was wanting to overtake the car in front. Most likely the motocyclist might be racing with the black car wanting to overtake. That's just my thought. Looks like the motocyclist did not want to give way to the black car.:eek:

Anthony Bo Eng
25-05-2012, 09:03 PM
its just an accident .dread to think what would happen in china . probably that poor fellow will be ran over numerous time...

ivanhow
25-05-2012, 09:38 PM
its just an accident .dread to think what would happen in china . probably that poor fellow will be ran over numerous time... It sure was an accident, no doubt. If observe carefully at 0:18, appears that the motocyclist had opportunity to slow down to give way to (and hence avoid) the black car instead of racing ahead to compete with the black car.

The vehicle which had the video recorded was about to overtake, but the black car was ahead jockeying for position and already about to cut-in and overtake. Unfortunately, knowingly or unknowingly, the motocyclist came in between. Cud be the car presumed there was no motocyclist in between when overtaking, hence did not engage any signalling before overtaking. This happens very often in 1Malaysia too, if you have been observant enuf. Once, I was driving on the fast lane following some vehicles in front, when on my left came a speeding motocyclist dashing in between the vehicles. And all of a sudden a vehicle, two positions in front decided to switch to the left lane. And you can guess what happens next.

Anthony Bo Eng
25-05-2012, 09:52 PM
It sure was an accident, no doubt. If observe carefully at 0:18, appears that the motocyclist had opportunity to slow down to give way to (and hence avoid) the black car instead of racing ahead to compete with the black car.

The vehicle which had the video recorded was about to overtake, but the black car was ahead jockeying for position and already about to cut-in and overtake. Unfortunately, knowingly or unknowingly, the motocyclist came in between. Cud be the car presumed there was no motocyclist in between when overtaking, hence did not engage any signalling before overtaking. This happens very often in 1Malaysia too, if you have been observant enuf. Once, I was driving on the fast lane following some vehicles in front, when on my left came a speeding motocyclist dashing in between the vehicles. And all of a sudden a vehicle, two positions in front decided to switch to the left lane. And you can guess what happens next.

o.18 ? nah..we will never know ..in boleh land if you cross the road vehicles of all types will actually accelerate to actually see how fast your can get off their way in time !I personally got 'scratch' by a motor deliberately ! lucky it was my lap top bag..phew ..scary ..that fellow actually accelerate!

ivanhow
25-05-2012, 10:00 PM
o.18 ? nah..we will never know ..in boleh land if you cross the road vehicles of all types will actually accelerate to actually see how fast your can get off their way in time !I personally got 'scratch' by a motor deliberately ! lucky it was my lap top bag..phew ..scary ..that fellow actually accelerate!So, who in your opinion is at fault? Did the car hit the bike?

tupai
25-05-2012, 10:25 PM
1. Its eastern european possibly even 1 of the ruskies' newly created republics

2. Its a left hand drive and 3 parties are in the wrong.
a) The camera-on-board car is too slow to be on the overtaking lane.
b) The black car and the ill fated biker have no business overtaking (the slower cam-car) from the right (a lesson for the blur sotong m'sian who need to know that in many developed countries their recalcitrant style of bolehlow-standard-unpredictable-driving will land them in hot soup, or worst a holiday accident - know that most european/western driving are law-abiding, hence predictable)

3. the good news is that those (including the driver & passenger of cam-car) who stopped to assist know what they are doing. - they didnt attempt to move the fallen biker ( a lesson for the blur sotong bolehlander...NEVER attempt to move an accident victim. Leave it to the trained paramedic/doctor in situ...just stay to help out in a smooth traffic flow)

Pokoknya?, who is to be blame?
Well, after careful scrutineering and 100X zoomed in analysis, its the semi naked girl on the 6th floor of the apartment on the left. She distracted the driver of the black car and the biker, who collectively took their eyes off the road and each other to peer at her semi-nakedness.:p

Yang Ada Berita TIU xlatotupai:cool:

p/s I lost a young biker lawyer friend (34yrs old) from spore in precisely the same tragic situation. It happened just 50+km out of Tuas Toll/NSHiway. He tried to overtake a slower bolehcar on the right overtaking lane (correct way) BUT the bolehcar was too 'ego' to let him pass. :eek:

The idiot Bolehcar in fact steered slightly more to the right, causing the poor Sporean Biker to veer ever closer to the steel armco barrier and at such high overtaking speed, he subsequently careened & crashed onto the barrier, thrown off and died almost instantly...all right in front of other bikers follwoing behind! This young Sporean lawyer left behind a wife and a 5yr old son. The culprit bolehcar never stopped...:eek:

Anthony Bo Eng
26-05-2012, 08:14 AM
So, who in your opinion is at fault? Did the car hit the bike?
who hit who...does not constitute a fault ..it is an accident. maybe according to our ex road minister ..it is an act of GOD.!:heheheh:

( forgive me GOD..)

tictactoe
26-05-2012, 09:38 AM
Cud be the car presumed there was no motocyclist in between when overtaking, hence did not engage any signalling before overtaking. This happens very often in 1Malaysia too, if you have been observant enuf.

please note that you do not only signal when you see other vehicles, u need to signal ALL the time when you turn , change lanes etc.- Even if you do not see any other vehicles, in fact that is precisely why you need to signal - all other road users including those you don't see. At least they might see you even if you don't see them.

ng
26-05-2012, 11:03 PM
please note that you do not only signal when you see other vehicles, u need to signal ALL the time when you turn , change lanes etc.- Even if you do not see any other vehicles, in fact that is precisely why you need to signal - all other road users including those you don't see. At least they might see you even if you don't see them.

Most malaysian drivers will fail their driving tests if they were to drive in developed countries.

Malaysian drivers just don't have the patience to make a signal before turning.

Not only you have to make a signal but must wait a few (around 10-20) seconds before turning to be safe. I see a lot of people turning even when the signal is on for only 1 second.

I always wait at least 20 seconds for people to see and react to my signal before turning.

SiangMalam
26-05-2012, 11:56 PM
Fully zupport the views that we must practise good habits when driving. We must respect other road users who are on the road and those we cannot see on the road because of the blind spots. If you signal each time you change lane or turn and make it a habit irrespective of whether the other motorists are nearby or a few metres behind, it becomes a habit, just like we will pull up the handbrake (for the richer ones its the leg brakes) each time we park the car after we have turned off the engine... its a natural habit...

We need to inculcate these driving habits into our everyday driving. Forget those idiotic comments from some smart alec forumers who have said that driving on the emergency lane is OK and he doesn't care about other drivers... what goes around normally comes around...

bslee
27-05-2012, 12:28 AM
Malaysian drivers just don't have the patience to make a signal before turning.
Not only you have to make a signal but must wait a few (around 10-20) seconds before turning to be safe. I see a lot of people turning even when the signal is on for only 1 second.
I always wait at least 20 seconds for people to see and react to my signal before turning.

Decades ago, a motorcyclist must signal right or left OR stop WITH HAND, not just rely on signal light. Never see anyone do this in these times.
6pm today on my way back , I see red watching just another motorcylist (amongst countless others with a blardi BAD HABIT) just can't wait at the Kesas junction at Summit, must worm and dash through to get across despite red light.
Want me to kesian riders like these flers if they get banged up? NEVER! LOATH 300% these kind of morons!

ivanhow
05-06-2012, 05:52 PM
If u are d investigating officer for the traffic (accidents) dept, who wud u issue a summon (if any), and which party wud u point the finger to as d offending party (if any)?

Do u think d motocyclist (assuming he's motor- & life-insured) cud claim insurance against d offending vehicle for dangerous driving (overtaking dangerously without ensuring it's not causing any obstruction to other vehicles on the faster lanes relative to its own vehicle and without causing danger to other road users), if the video is tendered as evidence (assuming the number plate was clearly captured, n, where no other evidence available)?

Or, will u close the investigation by marking it as 'NFA' (as is usually the case in Bolehland) due to no one at fault??

patrick
05-06-2012, 10:30 PM
So, who in your opinion is at fault? Did the car hit the bike?

If you look at the video again, the car did not even touch the bike! And there was room for the bike to maneuver between the car and the guard rail. I think the biker just couldnt control his bike as he was going too fast, and crash into the guard rail himself. I suspect the car didnt even realised the bike had crashed !

vsat
06-06-2012, 12:59 AM
The only fault I see is you guys nicely commenting away ...without being there...

ivanhow
06-06-2012, 01:29 PM
The only fault I see is you guys nicely commenting away ...without being there...Agree, but it's a fair and unbiased judgement based on the only visual evidence available if brought to the court of law. It's not possible for the investigating officer to be present as well unless he/she so happened to be at the accident scene at the time it happened. In all or (almost all) accident cases, the investigating officer had to rely on photos and videos as evidences, and also to some extent on the statements of witnesses (if any). In the absence of any witness, these photos and videos will be the only evidence. That's why we are basing only on what's being available which in this case is the video. Hence to comment based on the video is being fair. And you too can be the judge, just like anyone else.

I'm asking this question, so that if u are in the biker's position, what are the options available to u. Or is there ain't any, just an unfortunate incident/accident?

ivanhow
06-06-2012, 02:33 PM
Agree with Patrick's observations. In addition, it can be noticed that the black car overtook by shifting two lanes in succession from the lane left of the bike into the rightmost lane without ensuring that the bike was not beside it, or giving it adequate time to slow down before maneuvering to the rightmost lane. Seems that it had the signal lights on but does not seem to be blinking.

ivanhow
17-06-2012, 10:16 PM
This one was a close shave...
at a time least expected.

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