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Charbroiled
17-05-2012, 01:11 AM
I find that not a surprise. English has indeed gone to the dogs in this country. It's sad. So sad. What can parents do to help their children? The rich folks have no problem. International Schools to the rescue! But what about not so well to do parents? What then?

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 01:45 AM
What after students get super rating like AA gradings in Malaysian public exam? And speaking good commanding Inglish has everything to do with other interactive subjects i.e.Moral where it built up attitude to have a great presentation after they graduate. Sometimes the upbringing or the influence from school play the part to the future of our students.

Take a look at my son - he might be a future agent peddling arms for international market. Heck, I didnt teach him about arms and it is a coincidence that I found out about it. Maybe it was the school lesson from SRK (C) where he learnt how to cook up a gunning presentation. All wiritten and directed by him.

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ivanhow
17-05-2012, 04:15 AM
Handsome young man in the making, good for him.:) At least he will be in the forefront of arms trade. Who knows, our BN coolies may be dealing with him if they are still in our midst ;) BTW, did u flip ur video in mirror, otherwise he must be a left-hander?

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 07:14 AM
He just a ten year old child. I only teach him Kung Fu in self defence and doing houseehold works from laundry to folding his clothes, cooking and washing the dishes. Yeah, make him mop and sweep the floor as well with his sister.

But he is handy wiith his left hand to right hand with Game Boy and badminton , left foot to right foot in Facebook to Soccer. And amazingly, he self taught from models of Ferrarri to Lamborghini and the football team from players to coaches. Yeah, he bends like Beckham and dig into Pitbull songs.

What he did with the video - I also dunnolah whether he did the mirror version or not. But it seems that he did it for the 1st time as at the beginning of the taping over the webcam, you can see the surprised look on his face. The other surprising fact, how the heck he can describe various parts and function which puzzled me just like he could describe various models from Ferrari to Lamborghini. Toyota to Lexus. Now, he can even update me which team is on the top of premier league - And I dont have Astro at home! But this fella was surfing the football sites and watch them over youtube. Despite all his activities, he is in the top 2 of the class now as I used to ban him or limit his hours of all those activities last year when his grades were sliding to as low as 25th. Now dunno what to do with him.

I was impressed with how my brother was raising his children almost singlehandle in New Zealand as he was wifey was hospitalised often for breast cancer back then. Amazingly. his sons were top of the medical class while they have what it takes to be top chefs. His children started to work at Subway since 16 years old. These fellas save plenty of monies to finance thier own college and fundings to travel round the world before thier convocation.

What I am saying here is - I believe to mean as a Mean Chef or a mean Daddy where it is going to be meaningful to them when they graduate later in life. No use to score AA in the exam where in the pratical world, they kenot even interact either in Inglish, American , Chinese or Malay. As in the title of the thread - Graduates are the liablities basically of education system and also IMHO our Indomalaysian way of life where the maids are doing and taking away all the basic working ability.

Lastly, I am thinking to send him back to the States when he is 15 where he was born to takes up arms education where he can one day able to sell those submarines or jet engines from US instead of French Flies or Subway to 1Malaysia. Me - I would be replacing the Baginda fella as an agent. At least, the commision monies would be going back to charities like the Nobel prize :heheheh:

fonzie
17-05-2012, 07:34 AM
Hmm......good lah....left hand/right hand oso can...ambidextrous. Good fundamentals to have/nurture to be a wannabe arms dealer. An arms dealer can't be seen to be taking sides in a deal...very dangerous leh...!:):)

Cheers!

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 07:46 AM
Perhaps the ex Chef , current Home Agent can turn into wannabe Double 00 Agent to bridge arms deal for 1 Malaysia from Amerika. After all. I can cook up Malaysian and American stories. No Liabilities as I am well seasoned and have asset from the basic weaponary training from firing up the burners to wok it up as ex Komodo Chef. :confused::heheheh::confused:
Yang boleh jualbeli untuk 1 Malaysia dimana enjin jet didahulukan, Kapal Selam di muat turun dan atasan ;):heheheh:;)

Charbroiled
17-05-2012, 09:44 AM
How the thread has "blossomed"! From graduates with bad English no thanks to a compromised education system, illegal arms sales, secret agents, made in Indon maids, submarines to the ambidextrousness of it all! Interesting. :mua-haha: Keep going! :grin2:

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 10:19 AM
It is all in the English 007 composition where it can be translate into American FBI story to get distinction in Stirred presentation and But Not Shaken comprehension. :heheheh:

Anthony Bo Eng
17-05-2012, 11:31 AM
Dont know whether I am suffering from Paranoia or not.. I seems to belive our local public exam like SPM & STPM were graded high passes or low passes on the whim and fancies of the ruling Politician of the day. Cant help to mentioned there are students who I knew them quite well that all the while has poor grades and then scores excellent result in the end. Though I can see on their faces they themselves also could not believe it. However ,I would not spoilt their day with my 'crazy' thought which there is no way to confirmed that I am right ..

patrick
17-05-2012, 05:08 PM
It's not only now. I had already sense the impending problem when I had problem hiring fresh graduate level employees during the early 90s. Couldnt speak English well, and most were retarded to write proper English even then! Must be worse now!

Charbroiled
17-05-2012, 05:26 PM
It's not only now. I had already sense the impending problem when I had problem hiring fresh graduate level employees during the early 90s. Couldnt speak English well, and most were retarded to write proper English even then! Must be worse now!Yes Patrick. You're right. Back in the 90's, there were a few interns from a U at my company. They couldn't even string together a decent sentence in English, let alone speak the language. And to think there were graduates from a U. Pathetic. It should be much worse now. I suppose no one at the Education Ministry saw the Internet coming and that English would become the lingua franca of the world. Tsk tsk tsk...

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 05:53 PM
Yes, Patrick. Many employers concur with your thoughts. had a irend who is running an engineering construction company. Hired those engineer fellas where they could not to a business presentation in English to solicit his developers clients based on the reputable standing of engineering expertise and ability to carry out the mega projects with efficient costings. But graduated with honors in structural and civil engineering. Can construct building and roads as certified in the diploma from Malaysia Batu U - but kenot construct sentences without Manglish words in between. Well, in his words " my Ah Pek the contractor also ken do that except the verbal presentation.." :rolleyes:

Henry T
17-05-2012, 05:54 PM
Now they grade exam papers according to the Bell Curve.

A bell is widest at the bottom. So if most of the students score 11 marks (i.e. the widest part of the bell) then 11 marks is the passing mark. In this scenario those scoring 50 marks will get an A+++. :laugh:

In my time 35 is the passing mark. One mark less, you fail.

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 06:12 PM
It is a Dumb Bell grading exactly. Birds of the same feathers flunk together but got passed with A instead. No wonder, graduates are fit to work for KFC or NFC where meals comes with a punching act and cows gets high 5 living high at the Bangsal Kondo. :rolleyes:

bslee
17-05-2012, 06:26 PM
Can construct building and roads as certified in the diploma from Malaysia Batu U - but kenot construct sentences without Manglish words in between. Well, in his words " my Ah Pek the contractor also ken do that except the verbal presentation.." :rolleyes:

SICKENING to hear such atrocious England!
So people! WHAT IS some ultimate solution (I mean doable and constructive, although electing alternative gahmen will NOT guarantee anything) to counter the issue?

zinglicious
17-05-2012, 07:18 PM
Check it out - "Kenot spekulate, whether talk 1 or talk 2, it doesnt matter.". ( BTW. It was not sickening as people in the courtroom was laughing including the judge )

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If the leading legal counsel with 24 years as loyar, Mong Mong Cha Cha kenot crossed examined properly and yet got legally challenged by a Thai pathlogist instead, it is Monkee see monkee do syndrome. I also kenot spekulate how to counter such issue where Bolehland graduate with such a degree of Komedi. :heheheh:

After all, I am just a cook where I know how to wok and pan aje. ;)

Raikonen
17-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Memang 95% the local uni grads are rubbish and cannot speaky english properly to save their nyawa...especially the crap from uitm

Jennylim
17-05-2012, 11:22 PM
Why a fresh graduate a liabilty?
1. Lousy interviewer - don't know how to choose a candidate.
2. Lousy supervisor - don't know what kind of candidate to employ or don't know how to tap the staff's talent or capability.

bslee
18-05-2012, 12:26 AM
I ain't sure if its an issue or another worrying trend, is the emulation of some English terms or words used in Bahasa Malaysia.
I've been taking the KTM train commuter to KL often in the past months, noticed something which IMHO, which may sound comedic. "Coach for women" or "Koc untuk wanita".
Anyone flinching?
I'm in Ipoh now, had dinner at a good Nasi Kandar shop, looked up to the a huge menu and price list signboard.
I giggled after reading NUMEROUS scheppling mistakes.
Cheh!...should have taken a picture!.. I reckon that signboard have been there for donkey years.

eddychan
18-05-2012, 07:37 AM
Why a fresh graduate a liabilty?
1. Lousy interviewer - don't know how to choose a candidate.
2. Lousy supervisor - don't know what kind of candidate to employ or don't know how to tap the staff's talent or capability.

You left out:

3. Lousy company

Good companies attract good talent, even if the initial pay for a graduate is low. They know they have a chance for career advancement, and can gain valuable experience. Lousy company ... well, only desperate candidates would apply for the job, don't u think?

How do u rate a good company? They should have several tiers of employment at management.. for instance, they should have an internship program to speculate for potential undergraduates. Fresh graduates are then recruited to become junior management, then selected to senior management, and then VP level. Not-so-good-company.. u probably never see the boss, who is also CEO, who is also MD, and they expect u to run the operations from day 1. A fresh graduated employed here would be expected to do a "one-leg-kick", and hope that he/she gets to kick everything right except the bucket.

wongjie90
18-05-2012, 08:10 AM
It's not only now. I had already sense the impending problem when I had problem hiring fresh graduate level employees during the early 90s. Couldnt speak English well, and most were retarded to write proper English even then! Must be worse now!

I think attitude and passion on your job are more important. You can see quite a lot of primary students now not even know how to sweep a floor , so what more you can expect from them ?

Henry T
18-05-2012, 08:15 AM
It is not just the atrocious English. Try asking them some general knowledge questions. You'll be shocked they cannot answer something you already knew in primary school.

There are good ones, but they are in the minority.

Jennylim
18-05-2012, 10:13 AM
You left out:

3. Lousy company



But your example sound more like big or small company!

Anyway, it is hard to get really good company. There is pros and cons about one-leg-kick. The positive side is you learn the most in the shortest time. Negative side is sometimes u probably over loaded with works. However, a good boss would give u good reward for yr effort.

I think some people became prejudice or irrational when they are obsess with English language. This is also why a lot of good employees did not get what they truely deserved. A lot of good employees were looked down just because they don't speak to impress the HR manager or the boss.

Once I was offered a high post after the CEO sat in my presentation, but I hv been there for so many years, just because he didn't hear me, doesn't mean I was lousy. I was just reticent.

tupai
18-05-2012, 10:40 AM
My fren told me this "A 'good' company or leader/boss/manager/chairman/owner/VP/Prez or whatever fanciful title, do not judge the suitability of a potential employee by the mastery of english language alone..." ~ So i tink u flers r all shooting off the mark lah.

Also my fren said "the most problematic & know all staff are the so-called private-U, then spend 1-2yrs ovseas, inglis speeking...and there are gems amongst the local grads including UiTM and many other donno what alphabet soup Unis":cool:

My fren speeking the truth lah. I was there as a CONsultant on headhunting prospects.

Yang Ada BerSpeekin inglis TIUxlatotupai:heheheh:

HTCHONG
18-05-2012, 03:24 PM
My fren told me this "A 'good' company or leader/boss/manager/chairman/owner/VP/Prez or whatever fanciful title, do not judge the suitability of a potential employee by the mastery of english language alone..." ~ So i tink u flers r all shooting off the mark lah.

Also my fren said "the most problematic & know all staff are the so-called private-U, then spend 1-2yrs ovseas, inglis speeking...and there are gems amongst the local grads including UiTM and many other donno what alphabet soup Unis":cool:

My fren speeking the truth lah. I was there as a CONsultant on headhunting prospects.

Yang Ada BerSpeekin inglis TIUxlatotupai:heheheh:

Yes, you are right ;)…..it is a basic requirement and definitely not a competitive advantage at all.;)

zinglicious
18-05-2012, 05:11 PM
Korek. English is a basic requirement that should be mastered as it was taught since primary schooling. If the applicants kenot master the stance under millions of joss sticks being burnt, how to jump off the page to impress the bosses or clients? Even you work for the Jaguh Kampung Sama Derby companies, you still have to tak 1 or talk 2 to foreigners who visit Malaysia where they would ask for directions or told in details why should they buy Tongkat Ali of its benefits.

Malaysia competitive age compared to other Asian countries in the past is having people who speak English from the civil servants or those who had completed LCE or less. Now graduates with extra years of higher education are unable to make a proper sentence of English? WOuld it not a liability if he is an engineer where the company gotta to give him a sexy translator as a company tool for him to communicate with the world of business either in emails or video conferencing?

Look at China, the transformation which have had taken place for the last 20 years. It is not just the landscapes in Shanghai or Shenzhen has changed. It is the people who can communicate in English. And take a closer look at those diplomats giving press conferences as compare to our officials in English speaking embassies from Washington to London.

Most of all, take one more look at MACC leading legal representation in the TBH inquest where he made everyone in the courtroom laughed. AFter all, he has 25 years as a lawyer and Malaysia is supposely a English speaking country as it is a core subject since primary school.

Yes , English is the basic requirement and if I can see a PYT where she can Hip with her personality and Hop on her attitude in the sea of 100 applicants during the job interviews, she would dazzle me with her asset.

One final look at this Drunken Master who has no primary English education appearing in the David Letterman show where English is a basic requirement while Kung Fu comedy is his asset.

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