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ginaphan
03-05-2003, 02:03 PM
I'm back ....After my last post on the rascist classified, I have been away from the computer for awhile due to travels. Then, I got distracted with the seductive 'massage parlor' topic. :-)

OK, as I suggested, say you 'Aye' here if you want to volunteer to work on the action plan and the action itself! The more we have here, the smaller the load. Spread the word around to ppl you know who wants to make a change.

I say my 'Aye' here and now.

CH
03-05-2003, 04:22 PM
Aye. Count me in. Not sure what I can contribute, but lets get the things moving. Lips service is great for a second, action will be helpful for the rest of our life.

tupai
03-05-2003, 04:47 PM
aye...but i am still a headless chicken on this issue. what can i contribute?

empress_julz
03-05-2003, 05:56 PM
aye.

i wrote a long statement in the racist classifieds thing on what i think we could do. any comments on that? welcomed.

///Ej

empress_julz
03-05-2003, 06:08 PM
for the benefit of all, i'll post what i put in 'blatant racism on the classifieds' here... let me know your feedback, what you think, how we can implement or improve on the ideas, what should be done.

many thanks to those who want to get things going.

///Ej

1. petitions - online, or manual petitions.

i.e. either mail fwds, or go up to the average joe on the street and ask for his name and location. problems with both.

with online petitions, it may generate into spam - last thing i want is for ppl to get scammed into things because of our goodwill. with online petitions, you will also have a lot of ppl dismiss things because they think ur spamming them, even if you're not.

whereas manual type petitions are lengthy and difficult. but i certainly want a petition of some sort to take place, even if i can get about 1000 ppl which isn't much, i would like to present it to some editor friends in malaysia for publication in the newspapers.

2. newspaper articles. although there are other mediums out there, newspapers get to the ppl fast and good. i've written into the NST several times, i would like to try to do so once more. i was wondering whether there were others who are acquainted with newspaper editors elsewhere who can help getting us space for a story in the features section.

3. online publication. while i do agree with you inertia that advertising revenue is great, i'm not sure whether it be feasible with issues as such. the reason why many websites remain independent and obtain donations from personal donors alone, is that if you're dependent on advertising revenue, you have to write what the advertisers want. the last thing i need is someone clamping down on what i'm saying because they do not want to be associated with such liberal views.

4. children - how do we get them started, and more 'into things'? i was not aware of this question till and when i received pms from 2 mothers, one chinese and an indian. both concerned about the outcome of what things will be, both hopeful we will have a more multi-cultural environment we can all appreciate.

5. other such ways of educating the ppl, getting press, changing minds. any alternative ideas?

6. word of mouth plays a great deal. talk to friends and ppl on the subject, get the ball rolling.

ginaphan
06-05-2003, 05:52 PM
Here are my suggestions:

1. Split the group into subgroups that will monitor different newspapers. What we need is evidence before we talk. Cut the rascist ad and keep them with a recording of the newspaper, date, page.

2. Form an identity for our loose group - eg. ARC group (Against Rascist Classifieds). I know there's more than classified in the anit-rascism effort but we need to focus on one thing at a time.

3. Get form letters prepared so that *everyone* can write to the editor. It must be form letters (cordial but direct) to register the individual's displeasure. I found petitions do not work - perhaps it used to during the DAP heydays but not nowadays. The more letters the Editor gets, the more pressure we apply.

4. The ARC group must then write letters to editors in all press and if we have any friendly journalists, they can cover a story here as well. That's why we cannot be too confrontational. Newspapers need to cari makan but they are also people who are conscientious about these matters. Most importantly, we must not paint the Editors and the newspapers as the 'bad guy'. EJ is best choice when it comes to drafting the article. She has volunteered anyway.

We need to keep this in the public often as part of their education process.

BTW, since this is a public forum ..... is there anyway we can discuss these in private?

empress_julz
06-05-2003, 06:50 PM
great ideas ginaphan!

my suggestion is pm-ing if you want to talk bout things in private, my pm function is always open for anyone who wants to talk, i guess others have that open too. from then on we could take it to email.

we should start writing in to the press, you're right. personal letters from anybody or everybody counts. i don't quite think it's necessary to form a group though, somehow ppl have more concern and respect, perhaps even sympathy when they see the person's grievances for the person itself -i.e. the concerned mother, the concerned citizen, rather than the concerned group. just a suggestion.

but on the side we can organise ourselves together.

i'm unfortunately not in malaysia at the moment or i would love to pop in and see whether old friends in newspapers are still there. quite costly to call in to check on my end!

i will think of a good and catchy way to get this published, it's definitely on my agenda. anyone with ideas, do post or pm me.

i have exams in three weeks, so i have to prioritise a bit for the moment. but rest assured when i am free, i will put my brains to test!

many thanks to all for your concern.

peace.
///Ej

ginaphan
15-05-2003, 01:04 AM
I know, I know, things have kinda died down .... EJ has exams and I'll be out of the country for a week starting this Saturday.

Will pick this up when I get back.

empress_julz
15-05-2003, 04:04 AM
no worries ;)

i'll be coming home in a bit, then i'll definitely make a few phone calls and explore my options.

cheers to all!

///Ej

saml
15-05-2003, 10:03 AM
In my opinion if there are personal crusades to be embarked on, these crusades should not be undertaken under the banner of this forum/website lest the things get out of hand and people start to misrepresent this website for what it is. From the postings in these forums you all know who are with you on certain issues. Email to them directly and form your own special interest groupings. This is just my opinion and anyone especially the moderators are welcome to shoot dead my opinion and me with it!!!!

empress_julz
15-05-2003, 04:03 PM
saml, no worries, none of us ever said we were going to use this forum as a platform. it is a place we got together, had a good discussion and came to a consensus on some issues.

in fact if you read into what all/any of the suggestions, everyone was talking about independent advocacy, which is what we're after.

cheers.

///Ej

ginaphan
15-05-2003, 04:19 PM
-ditto-
:)