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Joecool
29-04-2003, 10:55 AM
Recently I noticed MPSJ have done some operations to clear some of the streets of illegal vendors. This includes the "Pasar Pagi" along USJ 3. However, I noticed that the MPSJ enforcement officers are quite selective in their raids. They will NEVER confiscate any stalls operated by Malays. You can see trucks being loaded with the belongings of those who are trying to sell anything from vegetables and Gardenia bread but those darned nasi lemak stalls are always left unscathed. Why the blatant discrimination? There is one along the road which separates USJ 3 and USJ 4 and operates at the post box. She even uses the post box to put her sambal, etc. making the post box inaccessible. When I tried to post a letter once, she even have the sheer audacity to tell me to go further down the road! Another such stall is along the shops near the Petronas/Shell station at USJ 4. Whenever he unloads his goods, he will block the road leading to the petrol station and refuses to budge to make way for traffic. So why are all these stalls left untouched including those chendol stalls that are starting to mushroom around? Why go after the non Malay stalls who are so careful to ensure the place is clean while the Malay stalls just strewn the whole place with rice and the tell tale signs are the crows feeding.

empress_julz
29-04-2003, 01:20 PM
sometimes it's not the race. sometimes it's who gives the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
to MPSJ, which is their main reputed preoccupation.

but i do think ppl who raid should comprise of different races. in public service there should be ppl of different races serving side by side.

///Ej

Joecool
29-04-2003, 01:27 PM
I have noticed that sometimes the enforcement officers would drop by their stalls and have free lunches. Perhaps this is the reason why they are not raided. After all, why raid your lunch place. Money is also the culprit I guess. The enforcement officers are licensed protectors from themselves.

tupai
29-04-2003, 01:58 PM
Whos 2 b blamed??
We all are of course! if we stopped patronising from these illegal and dirty stalls then they will move out of usj or wherever and 'em discriminating officers will not confiscate from anybody... the illegals should apply for a licence. If they cannot get the licence, they should approach the politicians...remeber election is a coming...simple solution from a pea-brained consumer (me lah) perspective.

Thsi is also samo-samo universal problem in the streets of new york..discriminating harassment gasyt certain vendors.

tupai.

empress_julz
30-04-2003, 12:44 AM
yes, malaysians have this thing with frequenting illegal stalls. for one i only go to legal ones, even mamaks, because they're usually slightly cleaner. the illegal ones have no respect for the law, they're not going to care if my plate is full of germs.

but some legal ones... like darulsallam in ss15... ugh!

///Ej

uchangeng
30-04-2003, 11:07 PM
I believe the MPSJ is only practicing the government policy of encouraging the Bumiputra to "berniaga". So what's wrong with this? You are not happy, this is Malaysia tahu? Jangan tanya hak kami!

empress_julz
30-04-2003, 11:59 PM
has anybody else actually seen this thing where MPSJ people close down chinese stalls and leave malay stalls in abundance?
before we speculate any further...

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 09:51 AM
uchangeng : of course! Hak mutlak kami seperti di meterai dalam perlembagaan.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 11:45 AM
has anybody actually seen MPSJ cart off only chinese stall owners' stalls?

any witnesses?

before we go on commenting any further about constitutional rights and the lot of it, let's establish the facts first. lest someone gets into trouble over what is really nothing.

apart from anything, this has nothing to do with constitutional rights, it's simply favouritism. the right to have an illegal stall not carted off is not enshrined in the constitution, so please don't purport otherwise joecool. the constitution does not protect bumiputras from illegality.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 11:57 AM
Hmm. I promised myself that I would ignore your posts but this is almost tantamount to calling me a liar. I was there. The nasi lemak stall was next to the bread seller. Her bread stock consisting mainly of gardenia bread was loaded on the truck presumably for further distribution among the MPSJ staff. The nasi lemak stall was left unscathe. Funny huh?

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 12:06 PM
do you always have to get so insulting and rude? can be man enough to take posts for what they are?

throughout all your nonsense from day one i've never even mentioned ignoring you.

maybe because one of us has the more adult response to things than the other.

it was a logical question to ask other forum members whether they had seen this happen. i was not calling you a liar or otherwise.

you think ppl in this forum do not get asked questions as to the veracity of their comments? just yesterday xweird asked me something to the effect. i did not accuse him of accusing me of being a liar, or whatever.

do you have to always jump the gun?

if you want to go comment on bumiputra rights, that is your business.

but misconstruing bumiputra rights to include the right to get away with illegality is wrong. bumiputra rights have nothing to do with this. if you want to assert such things, you are holding all of us in this forum accountable for your views. the last thing we want is to have anyone banging down our doors alleging that we support such views.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 12:14 PM
to quote you "I started this thread", so you have a right to start your own one which talks contrary to what I am saying. Defending myself is being rude? Which planet did you come from? I was merely stating what I saw and this is three days in a row. Hardly considered to be an exception. Maybe you should really join a forum talking about people and life in Milan rather than talk about something you have absolutely no idea about not being here.

lord
02-05-2003, 12:44 PM
After reading EJ's posts and replies, I have to agree with Joecool that EJ does not fully understand the ongoings here. EJ should be more sensitive to our views as we are the ones who go thru life in M'sia and not someone 10,000km away, trying to guess what actually happens down here. ;)

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 12:44 PM
kawan-kawan sekalian, sebelum anda membuat tuduhan bahawa saya tidak layak mengambil bahagian atau kurang kelayakan berbanding kamu kerana saya tinggal di luar negeri, baik anda memerhati bahawa terdapat ramai lagi yang semacam saya. humvee, chemaster serta lady-o-leisure adalah diantara mereka yang menetap di negara lain, tetapi merupakan ahli forum ini.

walau bagaimana pun, anda tidak berhak untuk membuat anjuran kepada saya atau sesiapapun supaya kurang aktif dalam forum ini, sama ada dari segi lokasi atau apa-apa sebab. pengatur forum ini tidak mempunyai masalah jikalau ahlinya terdiri daripada orang tempatan, orang asing, orang asing yang bertempat di malaysia serta rakyat malaysia di luar negeri, bagaikan saya. yang berbising, tiada kuasa - lebih baik berdiam dari mendengking.

yang paling menderu, si joecool. beliau merupakan ahli selama kurang dari seminggu, tetapi kehadirannya terasa sepenuhnya. hasratnya untuk menternak kekacau-balauan tidak terhenti-henti.

kawan-kawan sekalian, anda boleh menembus pandang sendiri masalah serta dendam turun-menurun yang membiak dari satu segi forum ke segi yang lain. mereka yang tidak berupaya memanfaatkan kecerdasan dan akhlaknya mengguna kekasaran.

lord, saya sering kembali ke tanah air tiap dua atau tiga bulan. saya selalu membaca berita di situs malaysia, serta berkomunikasi dengan kawan serta keluarga di tanah air. ada kemungkinan bahawa saya mempunyai pemandangan yang lebih mendalam terhadap apa yang berlaku di malaysia, kerana saya mempunyai bukan sahaja perspektif tempatan, tetapi luar negeri juga.

adalah tidak benar serta adil untuk mengatakan bahawa saya tidak berupaya memahami atau berkomen mengenai kejadian di tanah air sendiri kerana saya sekarang berada di luar negeri.

terutama sekali dengan perkembangan teknologi multimedia dan internet - pengetahuan tiada batas.

walau anda berdua ingin membuat komen peribadi terhadap saya, saya akan mengelak daripada mendakwa pemikiran anda bagaikan katak dibawah tempurung disebabkan lokasi.

jika anda tidak suka akan kehadiran saya atau sesiapa saja yang berada di luar negeri, baik berbahas dengan pengatur forum supaya mereka boleh mengambil tindakan.

sehingga masa itu, tolong berhenti berkomen mengenai pilihan peribadi saya untuk menetap di luar negeri. ini merupakan hak saya dan saya sendiri.

sehingga kini, tiada ahli forum yang berani berbuat demikian. mungkin kerana kebanyakan kami mempunyai kebijaksanaan dan hormat untuk berbahas dari segi pendapat, dan bukan dari segi peribadi.

adakah sesiapa bersaksi mengenai mpsj mengambil tindakan terhadap pemilik warung cina?

joecool, anda keliru akan kerumitan perlembagaan malaysia. perlembagaan malaysia melindungi hak orang melayu, tetapi tidak membela mereka bila apa yang dibuat salah dari segi undang-undang negara.

Taat Kepada Perlembagaan Negara

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 01:56 PM
talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You are the one who messes up very single threads here with your dabbling from things you think you know to something you know absolutely nothing about. Someone asks for local information and you would try to substantiate it with some links not even local. Do you even have any idea what an Apache server is? Your problem is you have too much time on your hand and obviously not getting much action from your billionaire friends and Italian boyfriend. You comment on what you think and that must be gospel to all, otherwise that person is a nuisance. You complain that I just waltzed in and what about you? You created your id in March this year and have so much to say about everything and everyone. No wonder you think you are an Empress Ms. Lee.

pcyeoh
02-05-2003, 01:59 PM
So sorry for budging in like this but I can't just keep quiet when the pot called the kettle black.

When you said this on 29 April,

"sometimes it's not the race. sometimes it's who gives the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
to MPSJ, which is their main reputed preoccupation."

(note: 220 $ signs is a serious allegation. I would have let you go if you have used just one $ sign)

are you doing justice to the local government who have been trying their best to upkeep this community under their jurisdiction?
Just like you are curious whether anyone has seen MPSJ as racially discriminative when enforcing the law, I also want to know whether you have seen anyone doing what you just stated. Here, I am so sorry that I am going to be sarcastic ....but on second thought I shall save it for a rainy day. Come on, here in the forum, the knife cuts both ways. It definitely cannot all the time cut us who sometime are critical of what you said. You should be glad that we are reading ALL your postings very deligently now that you have taught us how to do so in your posting elsewhere. We are merely expressing our point of views which sometime are contrary to yours. Just like the Emperor who didn't like to hear bad news, the poor chap who carried that bad news is eliminated. So due to our poor standard of English and the ability to articulate on the wide subject matter, there are many times we didn't do so. I am not against you lah but at the manner you rebuttle every single person who ruffles your feathers. We tried very hard not to lest you become a "boh mor kay"

Joecool
02-05-2003, 02:11 PM
to quote from my favourite sitcom actor "Wah! You so England! Don't play play huh!".

Could not have said better myself.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 02:30 PM
pcyeoh, i am confident of my allegations. tell me, who does not know that mpsj sticks around for the contracts and the contractors? you want to play the pretender now and say that it does not happen because it suits you?

even so pcyeoh, what about what you said on mpsj in the "please do something" thread where you said that contractors hired by mpsj were not doing the job up to task at hand? you even drew fire from ppl there for accusing mpsj of being corrupt and 'malay'. and it was rightly pointed out point for point how you were so wrong in shooting your big mouth off. to which of course, you didn't respond.

everytime a person begs an intelligent response from you you go off the rocker and post a buncha nonsense. it's ppl like you who give others no confidence in the police force. (or in mankind for that matter)

and you can go point fingers at the 101 other ppl out there who've made allegations at mpsj. don't play pretend they don't say it and bash me because you don't like me. other forum members have opened their mouths as well but only i get handpicked. i can see i'm your favourite.

don't sway in the wind so much my dear friend, dont' talk about there being no corruption in local government and that i'm making 'serious allegations'. even you pcyeoh offered to clean ppls summonses up in this forum. remember, when 2 of your friends overshot the policeman's traffic instructions and you offered to clear things up?

the posts are there, so is your dynamic i.p that can easily be traced. and please don't delete them either.

i guess that's why you are talking so much about corruption now. you're the expert.

since you are so up to the challenge on the seriousness of allegations, why don't you go email pdrm with what i said, and i go email pdrm with what you said, see who gets into the hot soup.

in fact where laws on tortious defamation and slander are concerned, my general comment on the matter can be considered 'fair comment', i.e. my opinion. yours will be construed as plain blatant corruption.

you got the ballz for it or are you just going to shoot more crap out of your hole?

it is ppl like you who give ppl like me and others a bad impression of mpsj, pdrm and the lot of local government departments. bad enough you're corrupt, you're not a bright spark either.

joecool, your last two posts do not deserve a response as they have zero value and zero sense. stop trolling bout the fact that your stuck in la-la land, and by that i don't mean malaysia, i mean your state of mind.

blinking trolls.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 03:02 PM
obviously you don't have the balls....literally speaking. If you don't like to see what both of us post, simply click the ignore function. I am sure you being the seasoned net person knows how to do that. Of course, your white boy can help you.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 03:13 PM
you lack the balls.

you can't hit on facts, so you hit on personal choices in ppls life.

maybe your wife bought you that one year's supply of cutie toilet roll because she anticipates all that crap flowing out of you.

joecool, i've had enough of your nonsense. if you're going to ignore me, stick to your guns. don't say you're going to ignore me then launch into this terraid.

i tried to make peace with you. i even private messaged you and tried to hit it off with you, i even told you that the reason i was in milan was to help my "white boy" who went through 4 consecutive operations recover.

if you cannot see how much balls i have in doing that, if you want to resort to further slandering my "white boy" and me, you really have issues.

you are the rudest person i've seen in this forum.

congratulations on your second topic derailed.

///ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 03:21 PM
Hmm. White boy did not take you out for pasta huh? Looks like you spent your entire time here taking it all in. Where else do you normally go for your punishment? There are so many of your type around. Got a white boy as a boyfriend thinks she is better than the rest of us. Go to an Italian website and comment on Milan instead. or maybe you don't even know what is happening in Milan because you are too busy commenting on what's happening in USJ. Go out and meet some real people for goodness sake!!

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 03:25 PM
as opposed to what you're doing here? sitting down passing off racist remarks because you cannot intelligently respond to things?

you are such a scumbag.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 03:30 PM
And I should say you are such a creative writer. Somewhere else I remember reading that you are doing your studies. A master degree was it? Now you are nursing your white boy back to health. Sob sob. And still find a few hours in a row to take pot shots are people who are trying to give their opinion that sometimes differs from yours. Hope he survives as he is definitely not getting much help from you.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 03:32 PM
now you certainly have the respect of the forum members for your wise and respectful ways.

///Ej

jeffooi
02-05-2003, 04:00 PM
I strongly advise taking air kelapa muda. It's soothing.

Secondly, I strongly believe that decorum can be maintained by
all, and that innuendoes, like skin colors, and inference on balls to a writer who has professed to be a lady, and questioning one's
personal endeavours, can be civilly avoided.

We have built this website with great pain, please do us a favour
by not degrading it.

If you have doubts, please open up and ask in this Forum.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 04:17 PM
no doubt they may do that.

but is it based on race, or based on kopi money?

two different motivations, but same results.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 04:23 PM
definitely racism as I know the chinese traders are more than willing to pay. This issue has impacted me directly as now I am not able to have the convienience of buying vegs and meats off people who used to trade along USJ 3/3. I personally don't like nasi lemak which is sold on the road side due to the hygiene issue.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 04:36 PM
but it is illegal to buy from them in the first place regardless of whether you prefer to have them open, or not.

why don't these places get licences anyway. how much does it cost to trade vegetables?

www.subanggrocer.com has a good selection of vege and organic produce. they're located in taipan and home deliver too.

///ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 04:47 PM
Yes it is illegal but considering the parking situation in the proper market in SS 15 and the prices in the green grocers in Taipan, you are not left with much choice. Of course you can go to places like Carrefour which are the only places open after work but then again I am usually dead tired when I reach home and shopping for groceries is not on my top list of to do items.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 04:52 PM
then get subang grocer to deliver. but supporting illegal trade is wrong, convenient or not.

and taipan has ample parking space in the middle, they have a huge complex that is virtually empty most of the time.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 04:54 PM
true but you missed my point on the pricing. And usually not at home during the day for them to deliver. Both of us are working with our kids at daycare. Not to mention you can get pork and chicken at the same place sold by different vendors. And they do not pollute the environment as I have seen them being very careful with the wastes.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 04:58 PM
why dont you cater then? there are some decent caterers around subang.

what my family used to do was to go to ss15 market every sunday, do the bulk of our shopping including vegetables which would last us till thursday. friday, saturday, sunday we eat out.

///Ej

luke
02-05-2003, 05:00 PM
I trully agree. I am not here to bring down any race. It's just the MPSJ
is not practising what they preach!.. Look at the Nasi lemak stalls
in USJ 3 and 4. What a joke.

I witnessed them taking away Chinese stalls in USJ 4. Sad case.

JoeJaffar
02-05-2003, 05:04 PM
Could it be racism? Or could it be favoritism? Two distinctively different matters. Or due to duit kopi, MPSJ practices selective prosecution? Can all these be proven? It's easy to announce one's suspiscioun, but it's not easy to prove either.

And to justify that it's ok to buy stuff from illegal traders because 1. lack or parking, 2. tired, 3. cheaper or whatsoever, it's not so good either. If someone wants to buy from illegal traders, and that's inclusive of vcds, then do so at your own expense. But don't cry foul when your favorite illegal trader is chased away. It's like justifying why one double park because 1. only 5 minutes business maa, 2. no one's looking, or etc....

Joecool
02-05-2003, 05:05 PM
Cater? Done that. Was fine initially but the dishes starts to repeat and also they have a fixed schedule when they leave the tiffins. Both of us get home at irregular times and don't want to have our food hanging at our gates too many times. Besides, we love to cook. Back to the topic - I am still truly disgusted at some of the nasi lemak stalls that are around USJ 3 and 4. They spill rice and stuff and throw garbage in the drain. This leads to a growing crow and rats population. And the biggest dislike of them all is the one that parks right in front of the mail box near my home and refuses to budge when I want to mail a letter....

Joecool
02-05-2003, 05:08 PM
Agree with you JoeJaffar. Just that if they carted away ALL the traders, I would be content. But carting away ALL except for one. That's too much. Still, I have now started the habit of waking up much much earlier so that I can buy my vegetables form SS 15. Can we have ALL such illegal traders off the roadsides? I would be happy if that is so.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 05:14 PM
some is better than none, right?

apart from anything ppl, we should stop supporting illegal stalls!

it's not fair that some pay the licence, others dont. some pay the rent at the marketplaces, and others dont.

and if you get poisoning from say an illegal stall, who's fault is that?

MPSJ should cart off all of the illegal stalls.

i've heard enough inside stories from my friend's mum who works in mpsj to know their motives. whatever it may be, cukup.... i think we need some serious change with the admin attitude.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 05:18 PM
Agree with that. My neighbour once warned me of a chendol stall operating off a truck in USJ 4. Had his rojak and went down with food poisoning. I told him that perhaps his stomach was weak and was not used to the germs as that truck has been in business for years. This business by the way is operated by two Indians.

empress_julz
02-05-2003, 05:21 PM
every cendol stall from hell to back is operated by two indians.

but poisoning from illegal foodstalls? who's fault is that.

///Ej

Joecool
02-05-2003, 05:35 PM
Maybe but I have seen a Malay operated one in Kelana Jaya. Food poisoning - whose fault? Well we all know the answer to that. I remember during my younger days when I used to feast after my pubbing in Bangsar only to discover the rats there are bigger than my neighbourhood cat. But that is again another story.

sfliew
02-05-2003, 11:21 PM
will take pictures of all these stalls and show to the world!

xweird
05-05-2003, 03:45 PM
Actually, the local councils do favour one group over another. I won't mention explicitly here; you guys are matured enough to know what I refer to.

'Certain' illegal stalls will get carted away, while the 'special' ones can remain unscathed. Stalls who pay 'special' rent to the council gets to stay. Interestingly, this concept also applies to coffee shop/mamak operators who open tables in public car parks. Those who pay the 'special' rent will continue to get their privileges.

Boils down to corruption and favouritism.

How blatant can it get? Just wait till a certain festival.

The guidelines are unclear as to under which circumstances can this kind of illegal practice take place. We all know that we live in a multicultural country, and it's only fair to take all citizen's interests into consideration, and not merely focus on one.