back injury

[jan tomaswaki]

Can anybody can assist me to a traditional massage as i have a nasty back injury 2 weeks ago .Have tried the muscle relaxtant and yoko-yoko but didn't help either.I had a couple injury before like broken ribs,dislocate sholuder and broken collar bone thru cycling and martial arts. This one really bother me the most , maybe got to do with age.:eek:

[zinglicious]

Go consult orthopedic surgeon where you be X ray or CT scan to see the extend of injury and treated with the right proceedures and medicine. Usually the rub or even the muscle relaxant wouldnt work as there is already inflamation - therefore Pain in the butts -oops back that you are experiencing
Treatment should be muscle relaxant, NSAID, or COX 2 inhibitor with supplement of B complex and iron. The additional treatment would be wearing the back strap. It is suppose to keep you without exerting your posture and makes you loo0ks great as it would help you to hide the tummy if you have any.
RUbbing may be harmful if not done correctly. The rub specialist shpould be the certified chiropractor rather than those sexy China Dolls.:D.

From the Pain In The Neck specialist.

[Dervish]

Can anybody can assist me to a traditional massage as i have a nasty back injury 2 weeks ago .Have tried the muscle relaxtant and yoko-yoko but didn't help either.I had a couple injury before like broken ribs,dislocate sholuder and broken collar bone thru cycling and martial arts. This one really bother me the most , maybe got to do with age.:eek:
Back injuries can be serious. Please seek medical attention. Dr William Chan from that Sports Clinic opposite SJMC is very good with such things. He came highly recommended.

[ng]

Back injuries can be serious. Please seek medical attention. Dr William Chan from that Sports Clinic opposite SJMC is very good with such things. He came highly recommended.

How much is his charge ?

[fRaNkY]

Which part of back and how u get it?

[Jennylim]

If you know it is just muscle injuries then u can try the medicated plaster from the Chinese medicine clinic near CIMB USJ9. I think 1 pack is only RM12. More effective then yoko-yoko and the injuries will recover in relatively short time. My family has been using this whenever we encounter muscle problem and no side effect so far.

[kwchang]

If you know it is just muscle injuries ... This is the problem with self diagnosis. What if it is not muscle or ligament related. What if it is at the bone level ... fracture? What if it is at the nervous level ... slipped disc? The non muscular/ligament problems cannot be solved with pain-killers. I am sure if Jan had it for 2 weeks,he would have gone thru the anlagesic pathway. The fact it still nags him means it is time to seek medical advice.

[zinglicious]

Precisely! Even the orthopedic surgeon dont just look at your backside and chant the mantra - Be healed!
He got to ask the other specialist like the radiologist who can look at the scan or xray to determine whether it is a fracture, slipped disc or inflamation due to maglinant growth which is pressing on the nerves which which the signal of pain to the brain. Or it could be the torn muscles and tendons due to karate, judo, praticing Ipman or Wing Chun.
So the correct diagnosis for treatment is to consult any certified specialist with orthopedic accredition. Not by needles or Burning suction tea cups. In fact, one traditional medicine healer had my respect 20 years back. He asked me for x ray to determined his next course of action. Yeah, his next course of action was swift but painful after showing him the x ray where the fractures were. - Ouch! But it was healed after a day or two without any analgesic. Just a bandage of wood to prevent any movements instead of cement for weeks.

[currymee]

Jan,

Better go see a doctor in case it is more than a sprain - however, if you need a Chinese sinseh/tukang urut - "Dr" Chong opposite SEA Park market is good - I have to search for the details - I remember posting it before but God knows where now in the forum.

[jan tomaswaki]

I think it's the injury occur when i carry some heavy things upstairs.See these "pakar" mot onlya serious affair but very expensive.What we sportsman usually do is to go for traditional treatment.At one time i have a very pain neck,can't even turn the head around,a fren tell me it's a sign of high colestrol amild stroke,but after checking with the medical doctor and taking a muscle relaxant it was okay.

[zinglicious]

When you are young, injuries heal fast. When you get older, it is just like the car - start pun susah.:D
Whoever you see, For somebody who can carry toys for under previllege kids, cook for fun and raise thousands for funds, try not to snitch on the take an xray. BTW, x ray in hospital is RM1 aje for rakyat. Neck injuries like mine is more obvious to diagnose but back injuries may be symptoms of many underlying medical issues especially when you aged up.
Pain is actually a good thing which surprise a lot of people. Yes, for those 1st year medical students , they are being taught pain is good as that is the indication something is wrong or going to go wrong. For instance, if you dont feel pain at all, just imagine you might lose the whole hand if you been cutting your fingers instead of vegetables while you are talking to the sexy waitress. Pain makes you avoid the source which is causing danger to you. Pain is a sign.
Even a painful condition pain in the neck can be urut by your Justin Berbier, oops Indian Barber, if it is just a simple sprain or over exersion of the muscles though the pain can be acute and sharp because it had short circuit the nervous system. Even you go for the rub either by traditional healers or china dolls rub, just to make sure it is just a muscular sprain, do the X ray or Ct scan.
Being the Pain man who knows what is pain in the neck with access to analgesic who had been seeing enough in the hospitals and gone through the study of radiology in CT scan and contrast media. In fact, I was among the first few Malaysian taking Cox2 inhibitor before the drug was launched in Malaysia. I was given one whole box by the regional manager back in USA when I asked for it. Otherwise, I cant cook dinner for his company dinner! :eek:

But I would be glad, if it is just a simple muscular sprain. The perhaps, I can take you to the best rub out of town. IMHO, the best rub I ever have had is a few hundred miles from here. Even my past and present wifey agreed.

[mykern]

I think it's the injury occur when i carry some heavy things upstairs.See these "pakar" mot onlya serious affair but very expensive.What we sportsman usually do is to go for traditional treatment.At one time i have a very pain neck,can't even turn the head around,a fren tell me it's a sign of high colestrol amild stroke,but after checking with the medical doctor and taking a muscle relaxant it was okay.
With due respect, you shouldn't behave like a 30 year old when you are a 50 year old .... I speak from experience!~ (No offence intended)!~

[Dervish]

How much is his charge ?
His charges should be pretty standard. It would depend on the seriousness of your problem. ;)

Don't get me wrong. I don't earn any commission or anything like that. He isn't even aware that I recommended so many people to him. In fact, he doesn't even know me because I'm not one of his patients. Two of my family members have had the tai-kar-lai-see experience of going under his care. We are pleased with his work and convinced that he knows what he's doing.

BTW his shop is directly opposite the Mesiniaga Building iinm. You need to call for an appointment.


I think it's the injury occur when i carry some heavy things upstairs.See these "pakar" mot onlya serious affair but very expensive.What we sportsman usually do is to go for traditional treatment.At one time i have a very pain neck,can't even turn the head around,a fren tell me it's a sign of high colestrol amild stroke,but after checking with the medical doctor and taking a muscle relaxant it was okay.
One of my family member hurt his back carrying a stack of old newspaper. It began with a slight irritation which grew progressively painful. A little crack on the vertebra which could have had dire consequences if left untreated.

If I were you, Jan. I'll willingly pay for that consultation just to ease my mind, if nothing else. ;)

[ng]

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Two of my family members have had the tai-kar-lai-see experience of going under his care.

Why don't you tell us what sort of problem they had, how it was treated and how long did it take to get well. We need the details to know whether he is really good.

Somebody recommended Mr Chong in SEA Park long time ago but when I went there, I was VERY disappointed with his treatment which didn't solve anything.

[SiangMalam]

Aiseh... my Taekwan-do man got a back injury....

This guy is located near your favourite currymee at SEA Park...

Chong Yoon Yen aka Ah Yen 019-3366718 and he speaks English well. Combi of chiqong and traditional massage, tested by many bikers who had one time or another fallen off their RM100,000 iron horses.... tell him David from Coca Cola Brunei recommends you there... call him first!

His little half shop clinic is opposite SEA Park wet market / Maybank...

Good Luck bro!

[zinglicious]

Why don't you tell us what sort of problem they had, how it was treated and how long did it take to get well. We need the details to know whether he is really good.

Somebody recommended Mr Chong in SEA Park long time ago but when I went there, I was VERY disappointed with his treatment which didn't solve anything.

I aslo went there as I did want so relief with his big hand massage to rub it in. By exerting force to the compress the cervical 3 and 4, it takes gentle manipulation regularly. SO of course, he couldnt help me with just a visit. AFter all, he is not a faith healer. Just one touch, and you could walk! I went to him to see whether I can avoid going to hospital therapist.

Heck, even the orthopedic surgeon couldn't do it with a single treatment. After the diagnosis, he would prescribed anagelsic drugs from Muscle relaxant, cox2 inhibitor, to neurobion which can be from 1 week to 1 month depending on the condition. Then he would ask you to go for traction and sessions with physiotherapist for execise or machine traction. And finally, you are suppose to do it your own with some routine of exercises, put a back strap to ensure correct posture of your back 24/7. That is why, when patients have broken bones, you see then have cement mould to prevent movement.

The other option is to do a surgery for those chronic pain in the neck or pain in the back. But then, cost is sky high and the risk is unknown with the bundles of nerves endings. :eek:

[Dervish]

Why don't you tell us what sort of problem they had, how it was treated and how long did it take to get well
I am not the one with the injuries so I can hardly be expected to remember the details. But here's bits and pieces of what I did remember. Mind you, it isn't much.

Case 1
One of my family member hurt his back carrying a stack of old newspaper. It began with a slight irritation which grew progressively painful. He went to see the good Doc. An X-ray revealed a little crack on the vertebra which could have had dire consequences if left untreated. He was given the necessary medical treatment and asked to return for ten physiotherapy sessions. What I liked about this doctor is that he took time to explain in detail what the problem was, how it should be treated, the consequences thereof and so on and so forth.

Case 2
Another family member, a senior citizen, slipped and hurt his foot. He went to see the Urut Master somewhere in PJ. (I think those are called the sen-sei?) They uruted him nice and good. A few hours later, the part of his foot swelled and he began to feel the pain. Off we went to Doc William. X-ray revealed a fractured bone somewhere on his foot. ...... do I have to go on with this? Really, it's the same old story but the old man is happy with his cure.

Look, I'm recommending Dr William because I think he's good. I did refer a few more friends, colleagues, relatives and neighbors to Dr William. Try him if you want to. Or don't. It makes no difference to me.


We need the details to know whether he is really good.

Besides, how can you use my detail to judge a doctor? Injuries differ from case to case. He is no miracle healer.

And I'm not saying those Urut Masters are not good. I'm sure they're good at what they do. Sometimes your circumstances may not fall under the ambit of their expertise. Just saying ... ;)

[ng]

I am not the one with the injuries so I can hardly be expected to remember the details. But here's bits and pieces of what I did remember. Mind you, it isn't much.



Thanks for the details, I appreciate it.

I have been to many, many so-called doctors and physiotherapist but none can cure my stiff neck, back pain and eyebrow/head pain. That's why I am so careful of these recommendations.

[fRaNkY]

I think it's the injury occur when i carry some heavy things upstairs.See these "pakar" mot onlya serious affair but very expensive.What we sportsman usually do is to go for traditional treatment.At one time i have a very pain neck,can't even turn the head around,a fren tell me it's a sign of high colestrol amild stroke,but after checking with the medical doctor and taking a muscle relaxant it was okay.

Just need to sleep on flat surface for few days, ie wooden floor. Works for me!

[jan tomaswaki]

Thank you ,folks for your advice,actually i am a person who rather uses the energy from within the body to heal.So far it was not so successful.few days ago i uses the hot shower to blast the injured area but with a little success.I think i listen to Franky advice to sleep on the floor for a few nites.many thanks to all forummers who give so many contacts.I will keep it for future references.;)

[CCY]

Thank you ,folks for your advice,actually i am a person who rather uses the energy from within the body to heal.So far it was not so successful.few days ago i uses the hot shower to blast the injured area but with a little success.I think i listen to Franky advice to sleep on the floor for a few nites.many thanks to all forummers who give so many contacts.I will keep it for future references.;)

This routine exercise might help and cost close to nothing. Have been doing it for years and it works to relief that ache n pain..... Give it a try , it may help you as well .

A similar leaflet on back exercise was given out by Pantai hospital years ago .

[CCY]

Whooops....forget about the links to Dr. Steve.....
Here they are ...

http://www.necksolutions.com/back-pain-exercises.html

[Mat Bruce]

Jan,
I had chronic neck pains and it bothered me for almost a year. I damaged a ligament near my neck. There was no medicine to cure it. Sure you need to see a doctor about this. But no doctor could cure me, they offered me pain relieve treatment eg apply heat to relieve the pain. I also could not walk properly as I had very bad vertigo. Of course, I was very worried at that time, even with the reassurance of the many doctors that I went to. I avoided the sensih because I was told that if done wrongly, the damage could be permanent. Over time, the other neck muscles has grown bigger and stronger to compensate for that damaged ligament and I am OK now. Over time, the body can heal itself with proper rest and the correct exercise. So take care and do not worry unnecesary.But do go see a doctor and monitor your condition.

[ng]

This routine exercise might help and cost close to nothing. Have been doing it for years and it works to relief that ache n pain..... Give it a try , it may help you as well .

A similar leaflet on back exercise was given out by Pantai hospital years ago .

I am lost ! How can sleeping on floor help ?

[zinglicious]

Doctors are trained for years in study and pratical while the specialist like the orthopedics surgeons are required to study additional 4 years for that specific field in bones. Moreover, it could branch out to more specific like paedtricians or geriatics as the bones structures is different. Or perhaps the orthosurgeries involving diagnosis, treatment or surgeries. ;)

Similarly, it may be just like the car mechanics - Drive a Ferrarri, and you try seeking to fix that combustion problem with the Ah Beng workshop, you might be asking for trouble. He might even have the trouble to unscrew the nuts with the right screwdriver, :eek:
Whatever is posted in the cyberviews are meant for general info. Just like some of the off the shelf medication purchases, most comes with this caution -" If symptoms persists, kindly consult your physician or professional medical help." ;)

BTW, the drugs prescribed by the doctors for pain like NSAID - ( Non steroidal anti inflamation drugs ) is helping the pain to ease with its action on the inflammed areas which causes pain to some extent which is the part of cause and symptoms. As far as for my pain the neck, I got to wear the cervical collar thingy like an anjing collar because it would prevent me from swaying my neck and keep at the right posture because it is the source of the problem where pain radiates to my arms and shoulder. Wifey likes it though because it also prevent me to take a look at PYT. And when I am strapped like a doggie, how to whistle at the PYT? :(

[CCY]

I am lost ! How can sleeping on floor help ?

Oh....you're right and I should have made it clearer . I was referring to this ....http://www.necksolutions.com/back-pain-exercises.html.... not sleeping on the floor.

[terisunny]

For me, Choong is good too. But the wait is super long.........either go there to take number first, then go back later. Or call him (if he picks up the phone). He'll give you a number per time you would like (if he's avai). Else he'll let you know number, what day & time.

I've also just learnt of an Aussie who's in USJ practising something called 'dorn therapy' (google to learn more). I've not been as there's not been any need to (touchwood!) but from some who went, they almost 'swear' by him. Not only back ache, muscle pull etc but also headaches and insomnia. It's some form of holistic therapy. Anyone knows?