View Full Version : Recycled Oil For Sale - Cheap! Cheap!
Charbroiled
13-12-2011, 04:24 PM
How many times have you seen hawker stalls opening packets of cooking oil like these? I have no doubt that they are using recycled oil. Cheap and more profits. To hell with your health! Why do they bother? You're consuming the slow-killing oil, not them. :mad:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/13/nation/20111213064749&sec=nation
bslee
13-12-2011, 04:33 PM
All this may contribute to many people having health complications and heart attacks before aged 60, if not medical bills will kill you anyhow.
Just have to be careful and not eat too much fried foods bought outside.
Oh well, I suppose many already know this and up to yourselves to be forewarned.
Food vendors DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR HEALTH!, they only care about profitting from you!...PERIOD!
Entirely up to you to take note!
Henry T
13-12-2011, 04:57 PM
My God, we must have eaten tons of these recycled oils over the years curtesy of some unscrupulous food sellers. :eek:
DarkNite
13-12-2011, 05:44 PM
Tutup satu mata, semua nya boleh!
In certain food outlet like goreng pisang stall they dun even bother open the packet. The plastic adds EXTRA crispiness!
Yup ini Bolehland!
bslee
13-12-2011, 05:48 PM
In certain food outlet like goreng pisang stall they dun even bother open the packet. The plastic adds EXTRA crispiness!
I remember some rumor or myth that plastic straws were added into goreng pisang and fried shallots.
How devious and crooked people can be! :mad:
PEOPLE!.. COOK YOUR OWN LAH!.. not that its so difficult to make them!
I frequently hinder my wifey from buying any GP from roadside. A bit of lecture pisses her off and the appetite to have any. Pissed off but a good prevention.
zinglicious
13-12-2011, 06:05 PM
It is not just recycled oil. It is the oil that is used to fired your french fries over and over again which is damaging to your health. When reused oil is used to fry your chicken, even the texture is not crispy unless if you deviously added some plastic to perk it up. :eek: http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=528412#post528412
But then, do people really care? Just talk to one MD of food manufacturer, but out of the horse mouth oops DR PHD mouth...."Consumers wanna food that taste artificially nice and we are in the costing business which gives us the edge in profitability by using cheaper sub which is faster, durable and cheaper." :p
usj.com.ny Banana is anytime healthier than the Goreng Pisang where oil is being refried one week before they are disposed off. :rolleyes:
bslee
13-12-2011, 06:11 PM
I think that the west uses more olive oil in their cooking that does contribute to their health, BUT! its countless other factors that overwhelm in promoting and causing obesity and other health complications.
I always think Malaysians generally and actually eat too much fried foods and dishes that use more cooking oil than neccessary.
ok ok...this may turn into another health lecture topic.
YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW BETTER and the ills of some foods detrimental to your health!
zinglicious
13-12-2011, 06:24 PM
BTW. do not use olive oli for frying just because they are the most expensive oil on the shelf. It is for salad dressing or sautee. Not meant fro frying where palm oil or peanut oil are still the best oil medium for deep frying. Just try to throw the oil after frying more than twice. You can observe those refried oil loses the elasticity and dentisy after being reused several times. ;)
bslee
13-12-2011, 06:27 PM
BTW. do not use olive oli for frying just because they are the most expensive oil on the shelf. It is for salad dressing or sautee. Not meant fro frying where palm oil or peanut oil are still the best oil medium for deep frying. ;)
Yah lah!... of course I know its NEVER for deep frying especially! Its blardi expensive here because it will never be made nor native here. Its another typical import till kingdom come like butter and cheese, even milk.
Its just UNFORTUNATE that a lot of healthy items are not native here and must be imported (therefore the high price and duties).
I vividly remember one idiot minister once said he expected people here to eat Nasi lemak than imported dairy stuff! HE's the one who increased the tax on some dairy products still effective todate.
DarkNite
14-12-2011, 07:25 AM
...But then, do people really care? Just talk to one MD of food manufacturer, but out of the horse mouth oops DR PHD mouth...."Consumers wanna food that taste artificially nice and we are in the costing business which gives us the edge in profitability by using cheaper sub which is faster, durable and cheaper." :p...
That explain why benzoic acid is still very popular Malaysia food! :D
I think that the west uses more olive oil in their cooking that does contribute to their health, BUT! its countless other factors that overwhelm in promoting and causing obesity and other health complications.
I always think Malaysians generally and actually eat too much fried foods and dishes that use more cooking oil than neccessary.
ok ok...this may turn into another health lecture topic.
YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW BETTER and the ills of some foods detrimental to your health!
There are also fake and substandard olive oil around and they are really cheap
SiangMalam
14-12-2011, 10:15 AM
I was in the industrial / consumer food business almost my entire life starting work in a food MNC Nestle, where I handled both food for dogs and cats (Friskies and Purina) too as well as food ingredients from Food Ingredients specialities (FIS). Malaysia has only enacted its own set of laws pertaining to the food industry only in 1985 when it practically copied from Singapore two specific acts of parliament ie the Food Act 1985 and the Food Regulations & Food Description Act 1985. (these were actually quoted by MP Tony Pua when who had criticised the KR1M shop operated by the Mydin chain aka Dato Ameer Mydin)
So we (or the government) had only started getting a bit serious like 26 years ago with these two Acts in our 54 yrs of Independence, doesn't that tell you how much emphasis our government and leaders really care about food regulations and health issues?
The government (and the leaders and us ppl) have hardly reviewed these two Acts in parliament and in fact the CPC and Penal Code, ISA and what have you got more attention from the government and MPs than the two Acts thatactually affected ourdaily lives much much more...
And then the question of implementation and enforcement... There are more emphasis on RELA than health and food inspectors 10000: 1! What crap! No wonder the Bangla fella down at the mamak shop couldn't care less if your roti telor comes with "kar liew" or not... Have you ever seen any of your friendly neighborhood mamak shops having one of those canisters to diapose of the used cooking oil. Even the motor workshops are more advanced disposing the used engine oil than our food industries!
One simple example to illustrate. Take soya bean as an example. Any beverage with less than 5% content of soya bean extract cannot be called soya bean milk but soya bean bean drink! Only those with higher than 5% soya bean extract could be called "soaya bean milk" but take a look at the many tetrapak soya bean beverages and tell me lah what you see! In Malay the law is very clear - minuman kacang soya and susu kacang soya but take a look at how the unscrupulous abuse this!
About three or maybe four years ago, I was chairing a committee for a manufacturers association to review some of the new developments in the food industry and for three months the meetings never had a proper quorum because less than 1/3 of the invited association members bothered to participate. Only those from MNCs like Nesrle, Danone, Unilever etc turned up! The rest of the Kilang Biskut Ah Seng, Ali and Manaiam couldn't be bothered.
My take is like what BSLee said - we have ourselves to blame. If we ourselves couldn't be bothered what we eat or what goes into the food we consume, why do you think our MPs even bother?
SiangMalam
14-12-2011, 10:25 AM
how many of us know that for orange juice or any fruit juices, only those with 5% fruit extract could be called "Guava Fruit Juice" and the rest below this fruit extract content to be labelled "Guava Fruit Drink"?
How many of us know rhat for bread spread, the amoung of fruit content decides the use of the label jam, reserve or conserve for example Blackcurant Conserve vs Blackcurrant Jam or Blackcurrent Reswrve etc?
You will be surprised our Food Description and Labelling cts 1985 actually is quite detailed into these things (maybe because the act was 'copied cut and paste from Singapura-pura) but mana ada enfordement? Mana ada health officers? Mana ada?
So as consumers, we need to be aware and self enforce these rules. Make compaeisons and make complaints! Just like you complain about the billing by TNB about charging you for the streetlight, go tell Rajiv or YB Hannah you object to such a such a brand on the shelves in shops in her constituency!Make a fuss and make a hue-and-cry issues and soon there will be attention and awareness. Be kiasu because these stuff goes into the stummick of our kids and the medical bills in the later age will be in millions, trust me!
DarkNite
14-12-2011, 11:16 AM
how many of us know that for orange juice or any fruit juices, only those with 5% fruit extract could be called "Guava Fruit Juice" and the rest below this fruit extract content to be labelled "Guava Fruit Drink"?
You sure boh?
Me think there is an error liao.
Rhiga
14-12-2011, 11:23 AM
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So as consumers, we need to be aware and self enforce these rules. Make compaeisons and make complaints! Just like you complain about the billing by TNB about charging you for the streetlight, go tell Rajiv or YB Hannah you object to such a such a brand on the shelves in shops in her constituency!Make a fuss and make a hue-and-cry issues and soon there will be attention and awareness. Be kiasu because these stuff goes into the stummick of our kids and the medical bills in the later age will be in millions, trust me!
Exactly
Just search the threads/posts on this forum about the infamous C4 carpark , you will find hundreds if not thousands of them.. and the complain started easily 5-6 years ago..
And I believe, many of those who complain non-stop about this mall are still going back there….
As I said many times – what kind of customers will generate what types of supply.. PERIOD
You will be surprised our Food Description and Labelling cts 1985 actually is quite detailed into these things (maybe because the act was 'copied cut and paste from Singapura-pura) but mana ada enfordement? Mana ada health officers? Mana ada?
SiangMalam..., saw this y'day, and straight away thought that this is up your area,....any idea if ours [ie those manufactured here] is considered safe?
[B]Here's What Mountain Dew And Flame Retardant Have In Common
Quote:
"About 10 percent of sodas in the U.S. contain brominated vegetable oil or BVO, a patented flame retardant chemical.
BVO is in nearly all fruit-flavored beverages including Mountain Dew, Fanta, and some flavors of Powerade and Gatorade.
It is used to keep the citrus flavors from floating to the top of drinks.
It's completely banned from foods in Europe and Japan, but the FDA set "safe limits"
Various animal and human experiments have found BVO to cause developmental, hormonal, and fertility problems....over time, it slowly stockpiles bromine in a person's fat tissues."....More Here (http://www.businessinsider.com/flame-retardant-in-us-soda-2011-12)
bslee
14-12-2011, 02:43 PM
Quote:
"About 10 percent of sodas in the U.S. contain brominated vegetable oil or BVO, a patented flame retardant chemical.
BVO is in nearly all fruit-flavored beverages including Mountain Dew, Fanta, and some flavors of Powerade and Gatorade.
I've stopped consuming all these kind of manufactured bottled or canned drinks long ago, never order them at restaurants, never want to consume them where possible. I've attempted my best to teach my family to stay away from these too, hope they in their best interests.
Everyone have to regulate themselves since everyone knows best if you treasure your health. No more said, otherwise we'd be talking in circles.
SiangMalam
14-12-2011, 02:56 PM
You sure boh?
Me think there is an error liao.Aisehman bro, replace GUAVA with ORANGE lah... I am merely saying if the beverage does not contain 5% fruit extract then it cannot be called a "juice" so whether its Guava, Orange or whatever fruits, there is a specific law since 1985 (but there is no enforcement!
When you are free you should go to the Legal Publication section at MPH at Gurney Plaza and look for a copy of the Food Act 1985 or the Food Regulations and Labelling Act 1985 and see Siang Malam got con you or not...
:D
DarkNite
14-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Aisehman bro, replace GUAVA with ORANGE lah... I am merely saying if the beverage does not contain 5% fruit extract then it cannot be called a "juice" so whether its Guava, Orange or whatever fruits, there is a specific law since 1985 .... see Siang Malam got con you or not...
:D:eek:
I never realized it is so low at 5%. I guess I'm influence by Atlanta that fruit juice can only legally be used to describe a product which is 100% fruit juice!
In UK it is 25 to 50% before it is called juice instead of drink.
Thanks for the pointers.
zinglicious
17-12-2011, 02:05 AM
Exactly
Just search the threads/posts on this forum about the infamous C4 carpark , you will find hundreds if not thousands of them.. and the complain started easily 5-6 years ago..
And I believe, many of those who complain non-stop about this mall are still going back there….
As I said many times – what kind of customers will generate what types of supply.. PERIOD
We also have blurred sotong consumers with advert attack from all angles and media. Just like KFC slogan soooo gooooood - what's so good with oil refried over and over again until viscosity of the oil changes with so many multi fried?
How many consumers knows labeling law which is quite confusing with 1 % to 5 % that could be labeled as juice or drink? Or it doesnt have to be 100% juices to be lablled as natural juice while there are additives as stablizers or preservation. :confused:
One of the better source where it is credible reference is our very own CAP - Consumers of Penang which have drawn serious attentions about in correct labelling or mislabelling. Buit then, how many of us really appreciate the work CAP has have been doing?
BTW, Our Liow has assurred us as seen in the TV7 news that there is no recycle oil for sale.
bslee
17-12-2011, 03:09 AM
BTW, Our Liow has assurred us as seen in the TV7 news that there is no recycle oil for sale.
Yah! including showing only bottles of established brands that most people buy. TV camera doesn't tilt down another 45 degrees to bottom rack where the oil is in plastic packets with names you're hardly familiar.
BTW, I think there's still inconsistent supply of cooking oil in the market. How many months now since the last known scare of shortage?
Still see the sign " limited to X number per customer" at one Subang hypermart. REDICULOUS!
If it is unhealthy, why in the first place, it is allow to sell to the public. :mad:
What is going on? :confused:
DarkNite
17-12-2011, 07:50 AM
If it is unhealthy, why in the first place, it is allow to sell to the public. :mad:
Low or zero enforcement cos it is not profitable to the gomen?
The gullible & naive Joe public is not well informed, as always, so it is easier to the unscrupulous people to take advantage of the situation.
bslee
17-12-2011, 01:02 PM
Cheep, cheep, cheap cost is what most people like to have and anything else is quite secondary. Cheaper cost for business, cheaper cost of living, cheaper everything where possible is the root cause and regardless if it'll cause damage elsewhere when malpractice or offensive activities come about. Nothing much anyone can do about it. The gahmen can, but never making any real progress. Of course people are also not blameless and should know better.
Just like recently at one place in India, people resort to cheap drink (illicit booze)..and what happened? the incident make headline news, moreover this isn't something new.
Ok, perhaps this land isn't as bad as this but it all adds up to mounting issues in this land that goes nowhere and in delusion.
zinglicious
18-12-2011, 01:37 AM
Low or zero enforcement cos it is not profitable to the gomen?
The gullible & naive Joe public is not well informed, as always, so it is easier to the unscrupulous people to take advantage of the situation.
You kenot depend on Mat Gomen or Uncle Sam to ensure what's best for you and the family. The companies spend millions not just on advertisements but also on lobbyists in the goverments. Heck, the ciggie companies only got kicked eventually out of persistent of individuals for sizable payouts and banned of savvy marketings after many years of first class lawsuits to declare that smoking causes lung cancer. All those years, FDA were not endorsing the law to recognise it because tobacco companies is big business. Heck, some of the FDA were made executives of the companies in the vested issues from MSG and aspartmate after retirement. Moreover, sometimes it affect the national vested interests like when US agencies promote corn oil safer than Palm Oil. The reason - They dont grow palm trees in US!
Same O same O here - Where about 13 products were recalled from 1Malaysia stores because of mislabelling or sub standard ingredients as pointed out by MP Pua to our Liow.
Low or zero enforcement cos it is not profitable to the gomen?
The gullible & naive Joe public is not well informed, as always, so it is easier to the unscrupulous people to take advantage of the situation.
It is very sad to see such a situation in Boleh :o
bslee
18-12-2011, 11:11 AM
It is very sad to see such a situation in Boleh :o
There's no end to this kind of bizarre issues. You can only help yourself and be alert to safeguard yourself. Don't depend on ruling regime to help you. The most they give you is Rm500! :D
For all you know next "fake" thing could be "chilli boh"!
Chilly is quite a pricy condiment you know?
There's no end to this kind of bizarre issues. You can only help yourself and be alert to safeguard yourself. Don't depend on ruling regime to help you. The most they give you is Rm500! :D
For all you know next "fake" thing could be "chilli boh"!
Chilly is quite a pricy condiment you know?
Hahahahaha, "chilly boh".....i have seen the inside of a 'chilly boh' room & other area too. :D
bslee
18-12-2011, 03:04 PM
Hahahahaha, "chilly boh".....i have seen the inside of a 'chilly boh' room & other area too. :D
Decades ago, horror stories on the manufacture of rojak sauce, "hey koh" in Hokkien. Lu makan lah!, gua tak mahu! :cool:
bslee
18-12-2011, 04:01 PM
Perhaps this thread could be renamed "Unsafe local products in the market".
This land is unbecoming because of rising bizarre, perplexing issues with devious minds at work that con the raktyat to parting their hard earned money for food and essentials that are substandard and cause untold damage.
We all await what next? No joke!
zinglicious
18-12-2011, 04:52 PM
And here is the latest concerns about 100% juices - it contains arsenic above the the permissible intake. And if you look at the video link, is the manufacturer serious about taking remedial steps when question by the ABC reporter? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/orange-juice-moms-secret-ingredient-worries/story?id=15154617#.Tuu1tLLNnnU
Just thinking aloud - these juices are popular among moms as a healthy drinks to the infants and children. Arsenic is a well noted poision and in small gradual amount, can also leads to brain damage and cancer.:eek:
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