Recieving tips consider corruption or not?

[burntan]

Often we pay tips to express our gratitude on good service, but not everyone do this for the same reason. Sometime I noticed that some people actually paying more tips to get unfair advantage and it is often stepping on the fine line of tipping and bribing. For example, a waiter may serve better for a customer who usually pay more tips, could this consider corruption as well?

[cml]

If you go karaoke lounge and give the mummy/captain a big tip she will send nice girls to you. Is that corruption or not?

[burntan]

If you go karaoke lounge and give the mummy/captain a big tip she will send nice girls to you. Is that corruption or not?

Yeah, that's the thing I get confuse, so what do you think? Should consider that as bribing or tipping then?

[cml]

You could ask the mummy?

[Naka]

Do you know, it is compulsory in some restaurants :D

[bslee]

Mummies, puppies, poppys, nice girls, I like this thread! hahaha! :D
To me tips are well known for particular service industries like hotels and restaurants, considered part of their perks. Of course who don't like to have extra money?
Corruption and bribing is entirely another subject. These are mostly linked with some form of criminal and selfish intent.

[currymee]

In my book, very CLEAR CUT ... :)

If you give as a result of GOOD SERVICES RENDERED then it is a tip.

If you give with the EXPECTATION OF SERVICES TO BE RENDERED then it is a bribe.

If you give generously now with the HOPE OF BETTER SERVICES IN THE FUTURE then it is also bribe.

For services JUST rendered - tip - ALL OTHER THINGS - BRIBE ...

[bslee]

If you give with the EXPECTATION OF SERVICES TO BE RENDERED then it is a bribe.
...
SERVICES? its more for "something bigger and quite valuable" in return.

[cml]

Actually it is quite simple. Just that some people like to hear it from the horses mouth!!

[burntan]

In my book, very CLEAR CUT ... :)

If you give as a result of GOOD SERVICES RENDERED then it is a tip.

If you give with the EXPECTATION OF SERVICES TO BE RENDERED then it is a bribe.

If you give generously now with the HOPE OF BETTER SERVICES IN THE FUTURE then it is also bribe.

For services JUST rendered - tip - ALL OTHER THINGS - BRIBE ...

I agree with your defination.

Like I said, there is a fine line in between tipping and bribing. For example you practice strictly by your moral and don't expect any special or extra service in return, but the reciever will still feel grateful for the extra tips and you can't guarantee they won't put you in priority service in the future just for that. That's why some hotel even with rule to prevent staffs to recieve tipping.

[cml]

My friend who was entertained byhis cousin in macau called the entire kitchen and service staff to go to the dining room and gave them 100rmb each. You call that a bribe or a tip. In future you can expect everyone in the restaurant will recognise him. They do that quite a lot in china i was told.

[currymee]

There is NO FINE line. There is no need to think, justify or even debate about it.

For each individual, whether the giver or taker, it is down to your own personal integrity, your own personal moral code and your own hands (if PAS implements HUDUD), so you face the consequences of your own decision and action .... simple :)

Don't pass the buck to the others - you can always say NO !

[jadewhite]

The law states, Any attempt to acquire an advantage or to impose a disadvantage which violates a standard of conduct is unfair. This may involve exploiting another person's vulnerability for personal, social or objective gain, or using unethical methods to acheive some benefit.

Wrongful intent or unethical acts are generally implied in unfair advantage.

UNFAIR ADVANTAGE = CORRUPTION

[bslee]

That's why some hotel even with rule to prevent staffs to
recieve tipping.

Couple of decades ago, to streamline a few issues, hotels through their hotels association, made legitimate the "service charge" as staff tippings. Of course there's always grateful customers who personally gave tips and these are considered "extra" to the pool and evenly distributed later on.
I remember hotels put up notices not to tip because the service charge have become legitimate tips, for all hotels have been agreed, streamlined throughout and for the future.

[burntan]

Other than tipping, we can further extent it to non-money bribing, like social networking. Again, like currymee said only your moral and personal integrity can prevent it.

[aursong]

If you go karaoke lounge and give the mummy/captain a big tip she will send nice girls to you. Is that corruption or not?

I'm GUILTY!!! :D :D :D
but I'll tips/bribe the nice girls more...
and I expect something in return... lol :D

[bslee]

Put it simply, NOT to offer ANYTHING cash, money or gifts in any kind to GOVERNMENT people on a personal basis, especially if you DO NOT KNOW that person, moreover represent in their capacity on behalf of the GOVERNMENT. They're however obliged to give you an official receipt for anything thats paid up.

[Rhiga]

Do you know, it is compulsory in some restaurants :D

Naka,

Just ignore this fella…

Obviously, there is pathetic fella who "got brain" and " England is betters than your" and also "don't need expert to tell him how to think" hadn’t travelled to Europe before and hence don’t know tipping is a customary practice in service industry....

Well, a typical example of people who don't know what they don't know... :rolleyes:

[Naka]

Naka,

Just ignore this fella…

Obviously, there is pathetic fella who hadn’t travelled to Europe before and hence don’t know tipping is a customary practice in service industry..

:D :D :D :D

[burntan]

Put it simply, NOT to offer ANYTHING cash, money or gifts in any kind to GOVERNMENT people on a personal basis, especially if you DO NOT KNOW that person, moreover represent in their capacity on behalf of the GOVERNMENT. They're however obliged to give you an official receipt for anything thats paid up.

Corruption not only limited to government or public service. It is actually quite common in business world, like festival hampers to the purchaser department. In fact you can find corruption in almost everywhere.

[zinglicious]

In US, waiters are being paid USD2.75 an hour wearing tuxedo attire to serve patrons and those in Chinese restaurant lagi teruk - they are being paid USD300 per month for working 10 to 10. Tiiping is the wages for the work done in that sector in USA. From the Mean Chef who is awaiting for tips from US President Bill Clinton to Penns State Governor Rendell to Philly Mayor John Street. BTW, the tipping is at 20% of the bill which means every USD200 for USD1000 billing unless the food or service suck. Otherwise, you are just being cheapskate for not giving which is the norm of the industry.

[burntan]

In US, waiters are being paid USD2.75 an hour wearing tuxedo attire to serve patrons and those in Chinese restaurant lagi teruk - they are being paid USD300 per month for working 10 to 10. Tiiping is the wages for the work done in that sector in USA. From the Mean Chef who is awaiting for tips from US President Bill Clinton to Penns State Governor Rendell to Philly Mayor John Street.

So in such environment, big tippers will get special treatment or not?

[zinglicious]

So in such environment, big tippers will get special treatment or not?
As far as I am concerned as reflected by my experience at Subang, everyone is equal. And that also applied to my experiences in USA whether you are black or white. BTW, President Clinton is white while Mayor John Street is black and since they are of the govt, wrong or right to bride me?

[Rhiga]

Zing,

Read my post (post #18) and then ignore this fella..

Have a glass of chilled zingtonic and a good evening..

Cheers

[zinglicious]

I believe for posting my views accurately and responsibly but I am not responsible if he understand it or not. ;)

If we ignore this fella, then I would be part of the consipracy to alienate him.

And I was to write that it is jsut the tip of the iceberg when he wrote about tipping where the are laws and regulations about that especially when comes to goverment service. For instance, it is a no brainer whether it is wrong or right for the Polis to tip the illegal massage parlours about impending raid on the premises. But it takes some brain work how much to tip the Mamasan to get the best girls on the house :D

[burntan]

Zing,

Read my post (post #18) and then ignore this fella..

Have a glass of chilled zingtonic and a good evening..

Cheers

Ignore this fella, cyberbully alert!

It is really rude to hijack other's thread to instill hate.

[zinglicious]

Jackpot on the spot. ;)
Ignore this fella, he is one of them. Caught in your own entrapment.

It doesnt take much brainwork to see it happening. :rolleyes:

It would be stupid of me if Saga can instill hate in me for ignoring someone from Cyberspace. But as far as I understand it, perhaps he meant that I should write more substances from Lynas to Healthy, yet tasty with no MSG than to dwelt with non issues about tipping.

BTW, Martha Stewart was jailed for an insider tip on Imclone stock insider information.

[Henry T]

This morning I saw a police patrol car with a sticker on the rear windscreen.

It read "don't bribe me."

:p

[Naka]

This morning I saw a police patrol car with a sticker on the rear windscreen.

It read "don't bribe me."

:p

Yes, a photo would be excellent :D

[fonzie]

Hey I saw a BIG TIP just now out of my car window....!
eehh....a TIPPER TRUCK......sorry one drink too many during happy hours....;)-

Cheers!

[Henry T]

Yes, a photo would be excellent :D


I was driving alone. So was unable to take a photo. Maybe next time. :)

[fRaNkY]

Corruption not only limited to government or public service. It is actually quite common in business world, like festival hampers to the purchaser department. In fact you can find corruption in almost everywhere.

Or have friendly bowling match with lots of expensive prizes and that your team are asked not to win!

Sickening!

[bslee]

On one hand, there's the common and popular saying "no free lunches". On the other hand festive hampers, big fat ang pows and some karaoke night out with ......... Tell me if there isn't any udang balik batu motives?
The word "tips" mostly rarely crossed anyone's mind in these cases?

[cskok8]

Now you know why businessmen and civil servants / politicians like to play golf. Instead of giving bribes, one party merely loses to the other. So it is not bribery, merely paying up a losing bet. ;)

[burntan]

Now you know why businessmen and civil servants / politicians like to play golf. Instead of giving bribes, one party merely loses to the other. So it is not bribery, merely paying up a losing bet. ;)

You can't exchange hand for large amount of money over a golf bet isn't it? That will be too obvious, but it is good to built good relationship.

[zinglicious]

There is a thing or two called IOU note or cheques mate. ;)

[burntan]

There is a thing or two called IOU note or cheques mate. ;)

I know, but it is not about how to "carry" but how to "declare"

[cml]

spend your ill gotten gains on non traceable items like mistresses/girlfriends and expensive gifts on your mistresses/girlfriends!!