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ng
08-10-2011, 10:08 AM
Can somebody tell me why are there no or very few chinese workers working in good Chinese restaurants when they charge premium fees ?

I can understand lowly paid myanmar workers in chinese kopitiam shops but even in upmarket chinese restaurants with air-conditioners. :eek:

I frequently have trouble communicating with these workers if I prefer something special that is not on the menu or have a complaint.

It is like the chinese proverb 'chicken talking to a duck' in a chinese restaurant. :mad:

fonzie
08-10-2011, 10:24 AM
I hazard a guess....salary and work benefits.....

Ask them related questions to above issues and take note.

Patronise a similar restaurant-type in a hotel and ask the employees there related questions. Patronise similar restaurants in holiday resorts too....

I think there are variances.....some may be wide....

Cheers!

Naka
08-10-2011, 11:18 AM
Talk to the captain and your problems will be taken care of ;)

xinrong
08-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Once I go into an establishment where I can only see foreigners, I'll just leave nowadays. I mean, if the owners of the businesses cannot bother to be there to oversee or can't be bothered to employ a local or a very well-trained foreigner then they don't deserve the business, simple as that. Nothing to do with looking up or down at people but I would like the food to be served by people who understand the requirements. I went to a so-called fusion 'fine-dining' place in USJ9 that has two or three Myanmar workers and was left standing by the counter for almost 10 minutes, after they asked me to hold for three minutes. I just wanted to buy a few slices of cakes. I left without buying. The first time I went, they gave the wrong cake and it was given free after they charged me for it. Never going back, inefficient. There is also another eatery in USJ11 where my husband and I spent sometime trying to understand the explanation of the food on the menu (what's a calzone? we asked) because the waiter couldn't speak English or BM and was mumbling away. In the end the wrong order came and we ate it anyhow, enough hassle over a meal. Not going back there for a long while, maybe never.

Rhiga
08-10-2011, 12:01 PM
I often patron the Spring Garden in KLCC, I don’t see any foreign workers inside the restaurant.

Salary is the main reason....Another reason is location. They prefer to work in business district like downtown KL when public transport is better than residential area..

CS Chua
08-10-2011, 12:05 PM
It is about profit and more profit. Why pay RM3000.00 for a Chinese cook when you can pay RM1,500 (including agent fees and other stuff) for a foreigner who works without complaining and taking leaves?

Similarly, the government is opening factories to these foreigners and other sectors. It is no longer that local people do not want to work. It is that foreigners are cheaper than local people. So, if local people wants to work, they have to accept foreigners' pay. This is what is happening to this beautiful country.

Rhiga
08-10-2011, 12:08 PM
Once I go into an establishment where I can only see foreigners, I'll just leave nowadays. I mean, if the owners of the businesses cannot bother to be there to oversee or can't be bothered to employ a local or a very well-trained foreigner then they don't deserve the business, simple as that. Nothing to do with looking up or down at people but I would like the food to be served by people who understand the requirements....

Can't agree more..

That's why I patron Japenese restaurants in SJ... some don't have any foreign worker.. some have but not in the front line to take order/serve food..

Thai Thong is ok but unfortunately there is only one such Chinese restaurant in SJ, really limited choice.. :(

Cheers

bslee
08-10-2011, 01:51 PM
I foresee the trend of more labor intensive along with "cheapest pay" will continue till kingdom come here. To put it very simply, Malaysians are wanting desperately higher income and you think they're going to work or stay put in low paying jobs obviously? So, we'll see the trend of more foreign workers in this industry in this case...just be more prepared to involve more " tok chicken to duck" as time goes on. This land is spoilt already and I really have NO HOPE it'll improve simply for the basic reason in my 1st sentence. Malaysia will NOT see much local people participate in lowly jobs that are now filled with foreign labor. Remember, they too are actually improving themselves by bringing home more income they could possibly earn in their own land.

fRaNkY
08-10-2011, 06:39 PM
Sushi king in summit chef doesnt look local

Rhiga
08-10-2011, 07:26 PM
Sushi King, Sakai Sushi etc. are not Japanese restaurants...

Same like I don’t call Subway or Deli'france as Western food restaurant..

These are fast food outlets selling Nippon-lookalike food… only blur sotong will go there..

The food in these Nippon-lookalike outlets are beyond crap..

ng
08-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Talk to the captain and your problems will be taken care of ;)

The problem is that the captain is also a foreigner. :(

From now onwards, I am avoiding all these expensive chinese restaurants which hire foreigners.

Fortunately, there are very few restaurants who do hire chinese front end staff.

bslee
08-10-2011, 08:17 PM
There exist a "Thai food" stall here in SJ and see 2 Indian or BanglaDeshi staff running the show, cook and assistant. Not to mention one more at Jusco foodcourt at IOI. No element of any originality here. Willing seller, willing buyer.

ng
08-10-2011, 08:20 PM
There exist a "Thai food" stall here in SJ and see 2 Indian or BanglaDeshi staff running the show, cook and assistant. Not to mention one more at Jusco foodcourt at IOI. No element of any originality here. Willing seller, willing buyer.

I really wonder how authentic the "thai food" is when it is cooked by myanmar or bangla guy.

zinglicious
08-10-2011, 08:37 PM
I have been hired as a foreigner in a far far land. Not only excel from telling and cooking up the specials for the day, but can crack jokes to real Hollywood movie stars, talk cow and bull policies with politcians and even can tell bankers that Soros was behind the scene in jacking up oil prices before it appeared in WSJ 2 days later to spite President Bush reelection campaign, and even got a spot in the national cable TV there.
I have been hiring from local and foreigners. One that flopped almost every subjects in school but earn B in Chef book while an Indonesian for C and the Filipina B+. On the other hand, have hired graduates that scored D to F which are local and foreigners.
So, I mean to say that sometimes it is the management fault to hire whatever that comes thier way and dont train the staff at all. Or sometimes comes from unsuitable qualifications,culture and with indifferent attitude.
However unlike in corporation which have probationary period of 1 to 3 months, most foreigns hired are not fired for incompetence or indifference attitude. Why, it is the package deals supplied by the workers agencies. In USA, legal and illegals are usually sent by the agencies as well, But workers are fired at will within a day if they are not suitable.

Actually, I dont mind to be served by foreigners in Dim Sum or Something Shop as long as they are competent and clueless about customers needs and cultural difference. As they said - do as the Romans do.while in ROme. That was exactly what I did where I learnt how to comment on football to even the mafia mob who were running internet bettings. How? It takes three books from the library to study what is American football and countless night viewing of football in cable tv. After all, everybody topic is on football when it is on season from the boss to the customers.

bslee
08-10-2011, 08:52 PM
I really wonder how authentic the "thai food" is when it is cooked by myanmar or bangla guy.
I really have no idea, but still see people buying, otherwise sudah lama tutup.
Zing, you compare USA and here. Its NOT the same thing and things can easily go awry here. Moreover I really won't think kitchen hands at stalls here go to public library to brush up on Malaysian general knowledge.

DarkNite
08-10-2011, 09:19 PM
Can somebody tell me why are there no or very few chinese workers working in good Chinese restaurants when they charge premium fees ?

I can understand lowly paid myanmar workers in chinese kopitiam shops but even in upmarket chinese restaurants with air-conditioners. :eek:

I frequently have trouble communicating with these workers if I prefer something special that is not on the menu or have a complaint.

It is like the chinese proverb 'chicken talking to a duck' in a chinese restaurant. :mad:
Hummm...I wonder how many of you guys' children would like to work as a server in a Good Chinese restaurant as a full-time job for minimum of 2 -3 years?

FYI, currently it cost about RM1300 to employ a foreign worker per month.

BTW The Malaysian Chinese population ain't expending, on the contrary it is contracting.

bslee
08-10-2011, 09:25 PM
FYI, currently it cost about RM1300 to employ a foreign worker per month.

Might as well as if local teen girls or school leavers would like to work as someone's housemaid, I think not or very remote chance you'll find one. 4 decades ago, this was very possible till factory jobs came about.

xinrong
08-10-2011, 09:30 PM
There was once and only once, in a Taipan's eatery, I came across a Myanmar waiter who could speak fluent Mandarin and English plus know the dishes on the menu like the back of his hand. That's what I mean by a well-trained foreigner, not one who doesn't understand simple instructions. One high-end kopitiam here has some of the worst service. I refuse to patron the place but sometimes my friends just drag me there and almost without fail, there is either no service for a long time or they get the order wrong. Health deterioration is faster with each visit, blood all thrown up in frustration.

Rhiga
08-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Hummm...I wonder how many of you guys' children would like to work as a server in a Good Chinese restaurant as a full-time job for minimum of 2 -3 years?

FYI, currently it cost about RM1300 to employ a foreign worker per month.

BTW The Malaysian Chinese population ain't expending, on the contrary it is contracting.

No, this is not the root cause..

The root cuase is - eating out is damn common and cheap in bolehland, relatively speaking..

People are still complaining food at restaurant/food outlet is expensive.. To meet the competition, business operators have to cut operating cost like labour cost..

Only when eating out is something uncommon, something need to be planned from family budget, something cannot be done anytime and any day of the month… then only service industry like the restaurant can pay good salary to attract good staff..

Bolehland is famous for cheap and so-called good food, to me this is a shame, not a pride..


Ps : Exactly the same phenomenon for domestic helper/maid..Only when hiring maid is damn expensive and not commonly affordable, then people will start to adapt to lifestyle without maid..

bslee
08-10-2011, 10:36 PM
So there ARE causes to all these regrettably and unfortunate circumstances going on and seemingly no end, and all just tolerate the circumstances or risks where all sorts of foreign staff that are employed to serve you.
So? complain or whine about it oso won't get anywhere. Just avoid these places if you think its an issue or have issues lor! No cure, no prevention, just avoidance!
I don't care!!!, me cook at home more often and spend least eating out, me change, I can't wait for the country to change, they only change seemingly for the worse. :cool:

xinrong
08-10-2011, 10:49 PM
So? complain or whine about it oso won't get anywhere. Just avoid these places if you think its an issue or have issues lor! No cure, no prevention, just avoidance!
I don't care!!!, me cook at home more often and spend least eating out, me change, I can't wait for the country to change, they only change seemingly for the worse. :cool:

Can't agree more, to both :D With a big family like mine, it's quite costly to eat out anyhow so we only do on special occasions. I just load myself with lots of recipes from cookbooks and internet and experiment with 'restaurant' menu - Butter Prawns etc, at half the cost. As for the country, sigh...the thought make me want to kick some VIPs' backsides...

bslee
08-10-2011, 11:17 PM
Can't agree more, to both :D With a big family like mine, it's quite costly to eat out anyhow so we only do on special occasions.

I'll applaud to your approach! :D Its good to develop your own cooking skills, nothing wrong with that, practice makes perfect!
I had my yummiest Chicken Curry Kapitan today!... no more of those silly expensive food mix to have that dish. Mine 1000X better!

USJ27Resident
09-10-2011, 12:50 AM
No, this is not the root cause..

The root cuase is - eating out is damn common and cheap in bolehland, relatively speaking....
You're kidding me...right? I went for dinner with my family (wife & 2 kids), had NOTHING out of the ordinary, noodles(3) porridge(1) veg (1) carrot cake (1) red bean(1) peanut (1) guess how much.... RM85++ :eek:
Willl NEVER go there again... ps: It is an overrated Noodle Rest at Jaya One.. :mad: .


It is about profit and more profit.
So, if local people wants to work, they have to accept foreigners' pay. This is what is happening to this beautiful country.

Exactly... why would employers WANT TO or NEED TO pay higher salaries when they have a ready supply of cheap (as chips ) foreign labor to replace the locals... It all boils down to who profits the most! :mad:

You have the right connections, you get your workforce... you have the right amount of money, you get your workforce... end of story.

The LOCALS? well, they can always take the next flight to Australia, UK or Taiwan and work illegally there and do exactly what the foreigners are doing here,... by overstaying, there! :rolleyes:

ng
09-10-2011, 01:06 AM
You're kidding me...right? I went for dinner with my family (wife & 2 kids), had NOTHING out of the ordinary, noodles(3) porridge(1) veg (1) carrot cake (1) red bean(1) peanut (1) guess how much.... RM85++ :eek:




A plate of specially fried noodle cause Rm 7 to rm 9 nowadays in air-cond restaurants.

So 3 noodles cost rm 21.
1 porridge cost rm 4
red bean cost rm 1.50
1 veg cost rm 7

roughly rm 40.

If you want good food with reasonable price, try this shop at Jln Loke Yew, it has been around for 50 years or more.

The wantan mee cost rm 5 to rm 6. They also have the normal stuff like Hokkien mee, cantonese mee etc.

http://feedmelah.com/blog/restoran-hung-kee-wan-tan-mee-along-jalan-loke-yew/

Best of all, the menu takers are chinese workers with myanmar workers in the background.

bslee
09-10-2011, 01:54 AM
If you want good food with reasonable price, try this shop at Jln Loke Yew, it has been around for 50 years or more.


Pssssst! not up to great standard if you ask me. I give generously 6 over 10 and mar mar teh cheh!. Miles away from Koon Kee quality at Chinatown.

zinglicious
09-10-2011, 02:28 AM
Can't agree more, to both :D With a big family like mine, it's quite costly to eat out anyhow so we only do on special occasions. I just load myself with lots of recipes from cookbooks and internet and experiment with 'restaurant' menu - Butter Prawns etc, at half the cost. As for the country, sigh...the thought make me want to kick some VIPs' backsides...

How about the Porto Bila Mushroom and other stuffing served to your special anniversary, ada cook book ah? Surely, Bananarama is not on the cook book series. :D :confused: :D

BTW, my Filipina chief of staff is good enough to work to work in 5 stars Hotel after being graduated from Zinglicious. :)

burntan
09-10-2011, 06:44 AM
I have been hired as a foreigner in a far far land. Not only excel from telling and cooking up the specials for the day, but can crack jokes to real Hollywood movie stars, talk cow and bull policies with politcians and even can tell bankers that Soros was behind the scene in jacking up oil prices before it appeared in WSJ 2 days later to spite President Bush reelection campaign, and even got a spot in the national cable TV there.
I have been hiring from local and foreigners. One that flopped almost every subjects in school but earn B in Chef book while an Indonesian for C and the Filipina B+. On the other hand, have hired graduates that scored D to F which are local and foreigners.
So, I mean to say that sometimes it is the management fault to hire whatever that comes thier way and dont train the staff at all. Or sometimes comes from unsuitable qualifications,culture and with indifferent attitude.
However unlike in corporation which have probationary period of 1 to 3 months, most foreigns hired are not fired for incompetence or indifference attitude. Why, it is the package deals supplied by the workers agencies. In USA, legal and illegals are usually sent by the agencies as well, But workers are fired at will within a day if they are not suitable.

Actually, I dont mind to be served by foreigners in Dim Sum or Something Shop as long as they are competent and clueless about customers needs and cultural difference. As they said - do as the Romans do.while in ROme. That was exactly what I did where I learnt how to comment on football to even the mafia mob who were running internet bettings. How? It takes three books from the library to study what is American football and countless night viewing of football in cable tv. After all, everybody topic is on football when it is on season from the boss to the customers.

I like this post. It is not about what type of people but what kind of people serving us. A wantan mee stall in my neighborhood kopitiam is fully operated by 2 indo, but they both speak Cantonese, English and Malay very well and their wantan mee is really good.

Rhiga
09-10-2011, 09:04 AM
You're kidding me...right? I went for dinner with my family (wife & 2 kids), had NOTHING out of the ordinary, noodles(3) porridge(1) veg (1) carrot cake (1) red bean(1) peanut (1) guess how much.... RM85++ :eek:
Willl NEVER go there again... ps: It is an overrated Noodle Rest at Jaya One.. :mad: .


No kidding.. absolutely what I wanted to say..

Yes, rm85 is not cheap.. But are you happy with the food ?? Are you happy with the service ?? Are you satisfied with the ambience ??

If answers are YES, then it is not expensive and best part is the price will scare away a alot of people from going there....

I repeat - eating out should be a serious affair, should not be something that currrently so easily affordable, relatively speaking..

Only then, the quality of the product and service can be improved...peopel will have to adapt to a different lifestyle due to expensive outside food..

Bolehalnd is full of lazy fellas who lazy to cook and lazy to take care of their home chores.... but complaint non-stop that the cheap food and cheap maid is lousy..

When reataurant food and maid is something which can vaporize the money in their wallet like in Europe, then people will have to adopt a different lifestyle / approach.

You travel a lot (due to your job) and I think you probably travel more than anyone in this forum, you should know what I mean..

DarkNite
09-10-2011, 11:44 AM
Might as well as if local teen girls or school leavers would like to work as someone's housemaid, I think not or very remote chance you'll find one. 4 decades ago, this was very possible till factory jobs came about.
Yup, our society has change, many of the youth today are unable to see themselves as waitress or server or maids.

tupai
09-10-2011, 12:40 PM
wassa big deal about alien in a local eastery? As long as they are health checked, certified medic fit with no leprosy, TB, Hiv, Hepatitis or any of the endemic diseases from their own homeland...

Lot 10 basement terra merra supposedly all famous local food like jln silang beef ball noodle, dunno where hokkine mee etcetc...all have bangla & mayamar cooks, asst cook and waiters lah.

In fact i saw many peep eating the black fried hokkien mee noodle...and i ventured to the stall...a Q of some 5-6peep there too...the glass enclosure shows 2 cooks whipping up the wok-hei black hokkien mee@ RM9.00 per serve...they look distinctively like burmese to me lah. Dark skinned and non-china-ah-pek looking lah! :p

then again, just stroll down to jln alor and at any of the eatery there, prep be served by indon, burmese, bangla, viets with all speaking more fluent cantonese than me! :eek:

Ditto in LOS, many tourist joints have staff speaking mandarin! :eek:

The need to survive (RM1000/month with hostel accom + free makan) can make linguist outta any1.

Yang Amat Berbahasa asing TIU xlatotupai

p/s btw, In the lost twilight zone eon ago b4 the ice age, i was once a 2yr-dish-washer-promoted-to-a-3yr-sou chef in a french restaurant in West Hampstead. "Oui, je parle français...
Und ich spreche deutsch jugak :D

DarkNite
09-10-2011, 02:59 PM
p/s btw, In the lost twilight zone eon ago b4 the ice age, i was once a 2yr-dish-washer-promoted-to-a-3yr-sou chef in a french restaurant in West Hampstead. "Oui, je parle français...
Und ich spreche deutsch jugak :D
In the lost twilight zone eon ago b4 the ice age, i was once flipping burgers at Swiss Cottage. :D

bslee
09-10-2011, 09:12 PM
then again, just stroll down to jln alor and at any of the eatery there, prep be served by indon, burmese, bangla, viets with all speaking more fluent cantonese than me! :eek:


Perhaps this show that these workers are SMART, fast learning and use foreign lingo or language for their own advantage at work. If I'm not wrong, I've often come across local Malaysians (simply don't want or bother) that practically refuse or learn another ethnic dialect or language thinking its not beneficial at all OR there's some element of hate for learning another lingo and use it, based on my long observation, I'm not going to pinpoint who.

xinrong
09-10-2011, 09:56 PM
How about the Porto Bila Mushroom and other stuffing served to your special anniversary, ada cook book ah? Surely, Bananarama is not on the cook book series. :D :confused: :D

Exactly,Zing, it was an anniversary....like I said, special occasion only :)

ng
09-10-2011, 11:20 PM
Perhaps this show that these workers are SMART, fast learning and use foreign lingo or language for their own advantage at work..

Just speaking a smattering of cantonese words doesn't mean you are smart and can 'speak' the language.

I have spoken to many of these foreign workers, their vocabulary is very limited to the food name and the money amount. If I were to speak more advance cantonese/chinese, they look at me like ... :confused: They can't seem to string a proper sentence and got the tones incorrect. In short, it is not easy to learn a foreign tongue correctly.

Many times, they get my order incorrect if i want something special.

kwchang
10-10-2011, 01:20 AM
... they get my order incorrect if i want something special.
That is why most resturants have a set menu and these have pictures and numbers ... no way to get the orders wrong if you don't make requests outside the menu. :D

kuma
10-10-2011, 01:25 AM
No more Chinese waiters in your favorite Bak Kut Teh joint! :eek:

Want to know where all those Chinese waiters/waitress went?....

Then Read Here (http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/43999-not-talking-about-the-budget) to find out where they went :D

Quote:
"I met many M'sian waiters/waitresses and restaurant workers here (all Chinese, of course)...."

tupai
10-10-2011, 03:21 PM
No more Chinese waiters in your favorite Bak Kut Teh joint! :eek:

Want to know where all those Chinese waiters/waitress went?....

Then Read Here (http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/43999-not-talking-about-the-budget) to find out where they went :D

Quote:
"I met many M'sian waiters/waitresses and restaurant workers here (all Chinese, of course)...."

these aeroplane jumpers are the main cause of the brit gomen wanna impose expensive visa on the bolehland touri$ts like me! :cool:
I once asked a booby in soho, how many illegal workers china apek & ah moi (from all over duh china ahpek world) in west end cinatown?
He said, "Cor blimey, thats a tough one. It could be anything between 10,000 to 50,000! We had raided and found 'em blokes had bunks stacked up to the ceiling what! By george!, they sleep 20 to a room!" :eek:

Same same aeroplane jumpers can be found in yankyland of gold, milk and honet...also got many female aeroplanne jumpers in jap, taiwanese and even hongky karaoke bars cum sexy joints. Had a fren who once engaged the comely full service of a fair sexy bird in tokyo, at the end of it all, she said "ngo eepo mali" Nice! :eek:

Also ah, once d a shorty chaffeur who took us around tokyo, mt fuji dll tempat menarik, in own estima...he also bolehland-dunno where leow mali punya! But damn! He assimilated so well...including wearing the round shaped black horn specs! coulda fool me for a nip! :eek:

and then somore, did i tell ya a story bout the soho msian waiters who took turn to pee into the LSLY msian datok & entourage's food? HAHAHAHAH! buy me 1 bottle of glenmorangie for the full tale. :D

Yang Ada Berita TIU xlatotupai :cool:

tupai
10-10-2011, 03:40 PM
p/s I would also do the same as these aeroplane jumpers, to be a high income waiter in london, if I have had
1. no choice in career advancement
2. gave up hope for any foreseeable change in the gomen & future of this tanah madu, gunung hijau & pantai cinta berahi...
3. no more ribbons of road to ride esp following the northern star :cool:

Yang Amat Berwaspada TIU xlatotupai :cool:

bslee
10-10-2011, 04:37 PM
p/s I would also do the same as these aeroplane jumpers, to be a high income waiter in london, if I have had
1. no choice in career advancement
2. gave up hope for any foreseeable change in the gomen & future of this tanah madu, gunung hijau & pantai cinta berahi...
3. no more ribbons of road to ride esp following the northern star :cool:


Not if you're already approaching, over or somewhere 50 years of age...seemingly just too late to start over, but no-one's stopping you if insist.

ng
13-10-2011, 09:56 PM
http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2011/10/13/lifeliving/9518214&sec=lifeliving

This guy with special needs has the words 'happy birthday TUPAI' in his cake.

Is it our TUPAI friend in this forum ?

Amazingly, he can lip read foreign workers who can't pronounce properly.

kwchang
13-10-2011, 11:42 PM
...This guy with special needs has the words 'happy birthday TUPAI' in his cake.

Is it our TUPAI friend in this forum ?..
Hahaha, no, the fellow in the pic is not our Tupai .... :D

tupai
14-10-2011, 12:56 AM
Hahaha, no, the fellow in the pic is not our Tupai .... :D

kwchang...didmt u know i had a 100% face makeover recently? I also wear lotsa chinaopera masks lah!:cool:


Yang Ada Banyak muka ToonIstimewaUtama xlatotupai :cool:

zinglicious
14-10-2011, 01:28 AM
Each time this Tupai comes around, I could hardly recognised him. Either he came in with face wrapped like a heavy metal band lead singer, or he is coming like a quite mousy mickey instead like chatty Alvin & the Chipmunks and he could looked like Alain Delon with that suave looking with his business associates which would makes women goes weak on thier knees. Or he could dress like unassuming T shirt and looked like a Kelantanes or Thai. So is that guy celebrating his birthday him? - " dont tell. dont ask" .
One useful tip, though. just offer him Irish Whisky of Glen, If he takes it, then 99.9% it is him!! :D

4everlove
14-10-2011, 12:58 PM
I believe our Tupai is an 'old uncle' :)

ng
14-10-2011, 02:11 PM
I believe our Tupai is an 'old uncle' :)

How do you define old uncle and young uncle ? :D

bslee
14-10-2011, 04:53 PM
How do you define old uncle and young uncle ? :D

As long as some don't call you "Ah Pek" ! :D
I wonder if its the same as Cantonese "Ah Pak"!

zinglicious
14-10-2011, 06:32 PM
I think Ah Pek is a honorary title given to the respectable elders of the community either you are in the white or black society. It is a higher in figurative sense than "Tai Koh" or Tai Shook". ;)
Tai Koh - Dato
Tai Shook - Tan Sri
Tai Pak - Tun ( the highest title to be given to civilians )

Of course, you cannot let others or yourself to be called 'Tai Wong" especially during the Chinese Dynasty Era - otherwise you would be beheaded. :eek:

kwchang
15-10-2011, 12:19 AM
This Ah Pek thing should be quite simple and I guess it must be an honorific. Let me do the Cantonese version hence Ah Pak/Ah Sook

Both of them would be "uncle" in English but for the Chinese, there is a differentiation for ranking
Ah Pak is what we call our father's elder brother
Ah Sook is what we call our father's younger brother
Hence I guess the honorific "uncle" is assigned accordingly to the age of the person... and perhaps Ah Pak has the higher honour since he would be given the elder status

I guess these are crude honorifics because I can't find it in the list of Chinese Honorifics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_honorifics) ... and that list is an interesting read, do have a look

SiangMalam
15-10-2011, 12:29 AM
Ah Pek is Hokkien of Ah Pak, Mr Chang. The Malays normally pick up words from the Hokkien dialect and thus they call every old Chinese man Ah Pek too. It is not rude nor wrong.

tupai
15-10-2011, 01:30 AM
I believe our Tupai is an 'old uncle' :)

Yang Amat Bertuah TIU xlatotupai is exactly halfway between birth and death....thats how old i am... :eek:
hell! yesday, the old indian aunty owner of 3 successful southern indian food stalls, at 1utama also called me "uncle'...then same nite the sexy indon sweet young thing at the girlie bar called me 'hansem'....howlah?? Y they all konfiu$ me???

Yang Amat Blur TIU xlatotupai :cool:

zinglicious
15-10-2011, 02:10 AM
This Ah Pek thing should be quite simple and I guess it must be an honorific. Let me do the Cantonese version hence Ah Pak/Ah Sook

Both of them would be "uncle" in English but for the Chinese, there is a differentiation for ranking
Ah Pak is what we call our father's elder brother
Ah Sook is what we call our father's younger brother
Hence I guess the honorific "uncle" is assigned accordingly to the age of the person... and perhaps Ah Pak has the higher honour since he would be given the elder status

I guess these are crude honorifics because I can't find it in the list of Chinese Honorifics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_honorifics) ... and that list is an interesting read, do have a look


Let me to do the Hokkien or Baba version. Since Hang Tuah to Hang Jebat or Hang Lekir to cook up the story accordingly to Old Sultanate era recipe.

Jebat is referred as 2nd Ah Pek whereas Hang Tuah is the Grand Pek and Lekir is the lower title as it is referred as uncle ( from the mother younger brother ) Lekir - to be pronounced as Le Khoo.

tupai
15-10-2011, 11:33 AM
had Ampang kim-chi community korean food operated by a retired korean headmaster & his restauranteur wife from seoul...all 6 staff from kitchen to wait, came from bangladesh. Muslim too! and we ordered many kinda porky sumore! They aint got a problem servivng us :D

Drank lotsa wine & korean beer while ogling (with mouth agape) a korean all girl concerts in Bangkok & Tokyo enroute to Rio, on crystal clear big screen HD TV..(all recordings complimentary from my cousin to the korean boss)...I never knew 'em korean export so many sexy, beautiful, bodiliciously yummy korean hotties as singing & sexy dancing angels. They maketh me salivate more than the 12 side condiments & kim chi on the table! :p

I;d have no prob if these came to bolehland to wait on the tables...yup! anytime, mai pen rai! :D

Yang Amat Berminat hotties TIU xlatotupai

xinrong
15-10-2011, 11:46 AM
Very recently my family had dinner at the well-known fast food pizza in Taipan. It was my MiL's birthday and really, what an experience. The place had mosquitoes (lots of them) WITHIN the air-conditioned area and circling our heads. My husband and son got quite mad and started smacking at them despite our usual, chase not kill policy. The salad bar was pathetic, hardly any verge choices except some limp -looking ones. Worse, one of the dishes had HAIR! It was really too much. The place is practically run by I think, Nepalese or Bangladeshis, I'm not. We complained a few times re the mozzies before seating was changed. At the end of the meal, I was paying and took the opportunity to make a complaint to the cashier, also a foreigner. He grinned at me. That's it, no more patronising that place. My mistake though, should have hauled the manager out, what shoddy maintenance and service.