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zinglicious
26-09-2011, 11:13 PM
Rakyat blame developers, developers blame govt, - who's at fault?http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/low-cost-housing-being-abused-say-developers/

Rhiga
27-09-2011, 11:32 AM
Zing, for heaven or for whatever sake,

Pls post some good news or maybe topic like “ low housing project gone right”… :eek:

It is so common to find the wrong, pls post something uncommon like the right… :D

Cheers

kwchang
27-09-2011, 01:00 PM
I fully agree ... all these negativity just turn off the lights and bring darkness
If you want to be Batman, please do it on your own time. Dwelling in darkness is bad for health.

zinglicious
27-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Good feel postings is hard to findlah. For heavenly sake I did post like the classy neighbourhood sake, people like Hoong Ling who donated her own organs to save lives, good food that prevent illness, eat for fund, but then people hardly notice right ? :confused:
Nevertheless, the public forum is to inform and question what is wrong with the society or gomen to increase awareness and hopefully somebody can do thier bits to bersih it either from the longkang to sekolahship not given to deserving and needy students. ;)
Batman is a Marvel story, whereas Oldman like me is a real story, but then, nobody like to hear the ugly truth. They enjoyed to feel good of 1 Malaysia slogan though evidently it hardly act up to it. :(

vsat
27-09-2011, 02:39 PM
Yes Zing. Cease posting negative and mud slinging threads. It can be quite irritating.

Please have some respect when old timers in the forum tells you do so.

zinglicious
27-09-2011, 02:51 PM
I find it irrating when I read the linked post above where it was noted that we have 15% of the population in Malaysia who are illegals and low cost housing which is basically for low income citizens were deprive from it indirectly -One Ugly Truth.
(Developers said low-cost housing mandated by state governments is missing its intended objective and becoming ghetto areas for immigrant workers, which formed up to 15 % of Malaysia’s 28 million population).
Meanwhile, for one Feel Good posting -go to http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=33647 serving hot right now :)

vsat
27-09-2011, 03:34 PM
Zing, just post positive threads from now on please. Is that too much to ask?

Rhiga
27-09-2011, 03:36 PM
Wow, so many people like to hear good things, and want to avoid hearing bad things !!! :D

I have to clarify my previous post

I respect Zing as a forummer who highlight the dark sides of this land... I was half-jokingly pulling his legs as I always read bad news contributed by Zing the moment I open the main page of USJ.com…

He speak up. …. To me, this is a great value.. :)

Cheers

zinglicious
27-09-2011, 04:00 PM
Zing, just post positive threads from now on please. Is that too much to ask?

Yss. If you ask me to just to post positive news in the thread for that sake, that is asking me too much if I dont have enuf sauce to do that. For a while, I even stopped posting as I was deemed to be a trouble maker with bad news while I was given one too many banana which I dont think it is being properly served. Even the postings ger removed or moved. And I was even told to screw myself by a fellow forumer! So that was what I was doing instead of wasting time to contribute whatever I find informative. :D

That was until recently fellow forumers start calling me up - Whassaup in usj.com.my? instead of Baked Stuffed Chicken order in USJ. :D

But seriously , you can ignore the bad news or just ignore the questionable forumer in the ignore list. ;)

Or until, usj.com.my comes with banning bad news or "dont ask , dont tell dont question" rulings with a dollup of bananarama dessert. ;)

The Mean Olde Chef who means respects are given by earning it - not stirred or shaken. And mean enough to respect all who comes sharing the good, bad and the ugly news, for real! Although bearer of news rarely get recognised or rewarded, it is no use to shiok sendiri with artificial nice news ;)

DarkNite
27-09-2011, 04:21 PM
Batman, to me, symbolizes the fight for justice.

Why the need to only post good news? :confused:

Raikonen
27-09-2011, 04:51 PM
Actually this is good news..All the banglas and indons and others are staying far far away from the luxury and middle income residential areas so less hassle for the human beings, rite? That's good news !

All the corruption also ok la...They only robbed a little bit only..We still can have $$ to enjoy life, just work 20 hours a day and less time with family..but still got food on table...Good news!!

We can go on and on with the Good News.....

fonzie
27-09-2011, 05:27 PM
Yea loh...oso BN kena teruk in last GE resulted in MORE good news coming BEFORE NEXT GE....!!!! :D

Cheers!

Raikonen
27-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Batman, to me, symbolizes the fight for justice.

Why the need to only post good news? :confused:

this forum is Main stream media like the star and new straits times

Mat Bruce
27-09-2011, 11:44 PM
I don't understand why Zing is being taken to task for his postings...I think he is a great catalyst to a lot of discussion....

zinglicious
28-09-2011, 02:23 AM
Maybe he is old. mean, and got no monies? Sumore, he must be ugly because he always post ugly truth? Either I would be attracted by flies for my ulgy truth ( which is usually the links from media) or attracted by bees for the honey nutrition goodness of awareness. Or simply misunderstood for thinking and asking for directions? :confused:

Whatever it is - my motive is actually trying to get answers or justice by questioning from houses to banks, gomen either PKR or BN. It is an open secret I have vested interest with no hidden agenda. :cool:

I am still a Malaysian at this point, and may have to rely on sekolahships as I may have no monies ( since I closed my restaurant at Subang ) for my two children if they are bright enuf to score A in STPM to pursue colleges. Or I might moved into a low cost housing as I may find it hard to earn livings. Or I would be insulted by being called Pendatang and balik China though I firmly believe 1 Malaysia and Malaysian First are good concepts. :(

That is among my vested interests. ;)

kuma
28-09-2011, 02:58 AM
Zing, for heaven or for whatever sake,

Pls post some good news or maybe topic like “ low housing project gone right”… :eek:

It is so common to find the wrong, pls post something uncommon like the right… :D

Cheers

"Pls post some good news"

Forums are meant for the poor 'sheeples' to rant their frustrations ;)

Can anyone lead me to a Forum filled with 'Happy Folks'?

I suppose if we want 'Happy-Happy' stuff. we can always find some....

"Never mind my life, save the handbags!" ... Here (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/9/27/nation/9576612&sec=nation) ....[wonder what/who her inspiration is :D ]

"PM: Affirmative actions should be based on meritocracy"...Here (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/9/27/nation/20110927194209&sec=nation)....Like i always tell my kids...its never tooo late to face reality :rolleyes:

:) "USJ community gathers to check and paint fire hydrants" :)

And it takes USJ folks to bring some cheer to MSM 'happy-happy' News.
Read more: http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/2nwg/Article/#ixzz1ZBBS3vDT

zinglicious
28-09-2011, 03:06 AM
Your second link is a good news for non malay forumers who are Malaysians? :confused:
Now I have to count sheep to sleep. Maybe I do Kambing. :(

SiangMalam
28-09-2011, 03:07 AM
Kuma, ever tried watch Merry Melodies or Looney Tunes reruns at 3.00 am in the morning? Try it.... Ariba Ariba Hombre Hombre.... :D especially cut and paste reruns from Malaysian Insider or Malaysiakini yah...and keep calling my favorite PM of 22-years Tun Mamakthir! :mad:

kwchang
28-09-2011, 09:27 AM
This thread is hilarious ... so I have edited out the original name from "Low housing projects gone wrong" to the current one :D

zinglicious
28-09-2011, 03:51 PM
I fully agree ... all these negativity just turn off the lights and bring darkness
If you want to be Batman, please do it on your own time. Dwelling in darkness is bad for health.

One eye man turns Batman!!! Revising title from low housing gone wrong to More Batman News. :cool: :) :cool:

Actually, it is not meant to be hilarous as it really affect low income earners and deprive them of owning a decent housing as the primary needs for mankind is food, shelther and love. And I have yet to get the answers who is to be blamed for all these fiasco. :(

smoothead
28-09-2011, 04:00 PM
Zing, nevermind those who only want to hear feel good news. They can always read it from the mainstream medias, (I don't want to name drop here)...even those write no good news, depending on whose side of the fence they sit! So, go ahead, after all this is what forums are for, an exchange of views, yes including the feel bad views. By the way, yes, I am involved in a property that has been abandoned so maybe I have an axe to grind with unscrupulous developer, but this does not mean we should all keep quiet about this sorry state of affairs here. That is why, the HBA (House Buyers Association) has been clamoring the government to adopt the 10/90 concept where buyers pay only 10% and the balance 90% only on completion of the property. But does the government hear the buying public...I don't think so, as otherwise this would have been adopted a long time ago. The reason given...many developers will go bust! Can you beat that! Nevermind the poor purchasers going bust!!! Afterall "rakyat didahulukan", so they are given FIRST priority to go bust!

Henry T
28-09-2011, 06:14 PM
How's this? :D

HIV POSITIVE!

cskok8
28-09-2011, 07:55 PM
Zing, nevermind those who only want to hear feel good news. They can always read it from the mainstream medias, (I don't want to name drop here)...even those write no good news, depending on whose side of the fence they sit! So, go ahead, after all this is what forums are for, an exchange of views, yes including the feel bad views. By the way, yes, I am involved in a property that has been abandoned so maybe I have an axe to grind with unscrupulous developer, but this does not mean we should all keep quiet about this sorry state of affairs here. That is why, the HBA (House Buyers Association) has been clamoring the government to adopt the 10/90 concept where buyers pay only 10% and the balance 90% only on completion of the property. But does the government hear the buying public...I don't think so, as otherwise this would have been adopted a long time ago. The reason given...many developers will go bust! Can you beat that! Nevermind the poor purchasers going bust!!! Afterall "rakyat didahulukan", so they are given FIRST priority to go bust!

Why is everybody clamoring for the govt to do something? The house-buyers can force the developers to build-then-sell only if they boycott all these new house "launches" that sell houses in the air. :mad:

In fact a few developers have been doing that on certain projects when they feel certain that the price will appreciate by the time the houses are ready.

zinglicious
29-09-2011, 04:29 AM
IMHO, it is not possible especially when if the bigger developers are not playing thier part of "Build first - Bill later". And worse, some of the Public Listed Companies developers are even in PN5 despite having internal and external funds are actually in the red !!! :confused:

Supposingly, established corporation like Sime Darby should take the leading role - of "Build first, Bill later". ;)

For the time being, it is prudent to find a reliable developer where you wont end up with unfinished housing and liable for paying for it. ;)

Meanwhile, what you could do is buy a house where you pay the contractors to build wahtever you want and pay accordingly as the work progress. Based on the concept in US, I have even ask a contractor, ID designer,architect to build bungalow houses in Kajang right now for clients of mine according to thier specification and paying progressively. The thing is it is easier to manage the damage control in case the builder inability to finish the project. In event of that, another team can finish the remaining project. And surprising it may turn out to be valuable as for over two million, these owners can be proudly have better furnishing than another two million bungalow offered by big corporation developers. All costing accounted for from materials to legal papers.

Seriously, there is no reason for any projects to be halted as the buyers are putting the monies upfront in Malaysia. It is just the developers are taking advantage of the consumers either from a low cost housing to bungalow projects.

From ex Mean Chef developing into Meaner Chef cooking some building plans for house owners with less salt - oops less risk :D

Henry T
29-09-2011, 11:32 PM
"Build and sell" would simply mean the developer will pass the extra finance cost to the buyer.

"Collect as they build" as is the case now would mean lower finance cost for the developer and translates into higher profits which they will gladly keep. :D

Either way house buyers get #@*&!

zinglicious
30-09-2011, 12:25 AM
Housing gets totally #@*&!if under "Sell and build" where there is still remedial options under " Bill while Building". it would be less #@*&!if. ;)

cskok8
30-09-2011, 12:25 AM
Developers are in the business of making money, so they are entitled to make profits. But they are not entitle to take 75% of my money and deliver 50% of my house. How does this happen, since payments are only supposed to be made upon completion of certain phases in the construction? Only one way, the architects issues certificates of completion of phases "in advance", banks don't check before releasing money on your behalf.

Jokee
30-09-2011, 12:31 AM
somehow, i rather know the truth than live in denial. of course, i am also driving a good car, enjoying my life, works hard without tongkat but i'll be fair to the rakyat and country even if i am well off. However, if my source of income comes from the crony system, it may be a different story. i will not like news that may endanger my job, bonus or take away my tongkat. one man's meat is another man's poison :D

zinglicious
30-09-2011, 12:32 AM
Think of the developers, I would be thinking they have massive $$$$$$ and with tons of political clout to bull doze thier way around . So would there be any changes deemed fair for the rakyat? Can they feel the pain for the wage earners to pay for the hosue they cannot stay? :(
Remember, the Subang rakyat has to fight tooth and foot to keep Sime Dardy out of the recreational park which is meant to and for the people :p

Rhiga
30-09-2011, 10:50 AM
NO and I repeat NO businessman/corporation can ignore what the buyers want and don’t want...

The quality, attitude, expectation, action/inaction of the buyers determine what they will get from the sellers. PERIOD.

For example, I have read hundreds of posts in this thread regarding the safety of Care4 shopping mall’s car park and others grievences such as the price, freshness of goods, etc. However, life for the shopping mall goes on as usual….

That’s why I still like this land…. really nice place as many suckers around..

zinglicious
30-09-2011, 05:59 PM
And in case of monopoly business like Astro, what can you do? :confused: