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Mat Bruce
03-09-2011, 01:24 AM
just want to know if anyone who had a dog still got their house burglarized and how did thief silenced the dog..

DarkNite
03-09-2011, 07:31 AM
Poison it.

rakyat
03-09-2011, 11:25 AM
just want to know if anyone who had a dog still got their house burglarized and how did thief silenced the dog..

They come from the roof or the backyard

Mat Bruce
03-09-2011, 05:17 PM
I have no grills at the moment..kind of like it...

Mat Bruce
03-09-2011, 05:20 PM
Poison it.


How to train dog not to eat poison?

Hiliary
04-09-2011, 01:14 AM
How to train dog not to eat poison?

Go see a professional trainer for poisoned food avoidance.

There is no way you can use a single dog as house security. I have a 50+ kg Rottweiler that will deter the chance thief, but not a determined thief, even less chance with 2 or 3 of them. Very few are that scared of a dog to not break in. (anyway, i doubt they have Wikied the bite power of a Rottweiler or any other dog).
Besides, the dog becomes a pet, part of the family, so you want to leave the dog outside to be poisoned or cut to pieces?

Keep the dog inside at night, barking has a better chance of being a deterent and also gives you time to wake up and grab your baseball bat or whatever you have and go support the dog fighting the robbers.

Check the number of home owners in Europe and the USA who after being burgled say "The dog did not bark".

DarkNite
04-09-2011, 09:12 AM
Go see a professional trainer for poisoned food avoidance.

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Part of the training is eat from only a particular bowl and/or eat on your command.

Yes quite right, a dog CAN"T be THE house security. It can be part of the house security - secondary line of deterrent?

Mat Bruce
04-09-2011, 03:20 PM
Go see a professional trainer for poisoned food avoidance.

There is no way you can use a single dog as house security. I have a 50+ kg Rottweiler that will deter the chance thief, but not a determined thief, even less chance with 2 or 3 of them. Very few are that scared of a dog to not break in. (anyway, i doubt they have Wikied the bite power of a Rottweiler or any other dog).
Besides, the dog becomes a pet, part of the family, so you want to leave the dog outside to be poisoned or cut to pieces?

Keep the dog inside at night, barking has a better chance of being a deterent and also gives you time to wake up and grab your baseball bat or whatever you have and go support the dog fighting the robbers.

Check the number of home owners in Europe and the USA who after being burgled say "The dog did not bark".


Surely, if it has been trained as a guard dog, a 50+kg Rottweiler will be an excellent guard dog...I know the police uses these dogs...

Mat Bruce
04-09-2011, 03:22 PM
Part of the training is eat from only a particular bowl and/or eat on your command.

Yes quite right, a dog CAN"T be THE house security. It can be part of the house security - secondary line of deterrent?

Yeah, trying to do that, ie eat from the bowl......but it seems that the dog cannot be easily trained..as it failed the test...

DarkNite
04-09-2011, 06:36 PM
Yeah, trying to do that, ie eat from the bowl......but it seems that the dog cannot be easily trained..as it failed the test...
Teaching old dog new tricks? :D

How old is the dog? Wat breed?

Hiliary
04-09-2011, 07:35 PM
Surely, if it has been trained as a guard dog, a 50+kg Rottweiler will be an excellent guard dog...I know the police uses these dogs...

I did not say he was trained as a guard dog. I did get him from a breeder who trains Rottweilers as guard and attack dogs for the police and hoi polloi but mine is a family pet and came into the family while some of our children were still very young.
Guard dog training is the last thing i would ever do, have you any idea of the damage a Rottweiler can do to flesh and bone?

But he has one hell of a bark, and is very intimidating to non dog lovers.
So a large mass bounding down the staircase in the middle of the night, bark booming all around, would you run or fight?

Hiliary
04-09-2011, 07:37 PM
Yeah, trying to do that, ie eat from the bowl......but it seems that the dog cannot be easily trained..as it failed the test...

How long have you been trying to train the dog?
Professionals around here want the dog for around 30 days (i think).

LMei
05-09-2011, 10:01 AM
just want to know if anyone who had a dog still got their house burglarized and how did thief silenced the dog..
Yes. First dog stayed outside the house. Burglar tried to come in via roof. Second dog stayed inside the house. No further attempts. No need to be expensive big dog. Small noisy one will do :D

Mat Bruce
05-09-2011, 12:27 PM
Teaching old dog new tricks? :D

How old is the dog? Wat breed?


only 8 months- 12 months old...I think...adopted from 'dogs deserves better..

it seems a mix between mongrel and spitz...but has a lovely character..

Mat Bruce
05-09-2011, 12:33 PM
I did not say he was trained as a guard dog. I did get him from a breeder who trains Rottweilers as guard and attack dogs for the police and hoi polloi but mine is a family pet and came into the family while some of our children were still very young.
Guard dog training is the last thing i would ever do, have you any idea of the damage a Rottweiler can do to flesh and bone?

But he has one hell of a bark, and is very intimidating to non dog lovers.
So a large mass bounding down the staircase in the middle of the night, bark booming all around, would you run or fight?


My opp neighbour has one as a pet as well..and it is very friendly,although when it leaps up to to me, he can push me down..and too friendly..likes to play fetch...but he looks real fierce..

how do manage him when he is in the house, I have lot of vases and glass, is he trained enough not to break them? lot of furs to clean-up?

Mat Bruce
05-09-2011, 12:35 PM
Yes. First dog stayed outside the house. Burglar tried to come in via roof. Second dog stayed inside the house. No further attempts. No need to be expensive big dog. Small noisy one will do :D

So grills do not stop the thieves, but one dog inside the house and maybe another one outside will do?

DarkNite
05-09-2011, 03:13 PM
So grills do not stop the thieves, but one dog inside the house and maybe another one outside will do?
Not 100%, will only delay & notify the owner of intruder or give time for owner to take appropriate action.

If looking for a small dog to keep indoor, suggest Miniature Schnauzers - alert and spirited, yet obedient to command thus excellent watchdogs. They are often guarded towards strangers until the owners of the home welcome the guest. Hair/fur wise they shed very minimal, generally unnoticeable.

Downside is these highly spirited dogs need plenty of exercises.

Training of dogs takes about 2 month with re-fresher course for both owner & dog every 18 mths to 2 yrs.

Mat Bruce
10-09-2011, 06:08 PM
The reasons that I am going for dogs is that I don't like iron grills in the house.
The budget I need to spend on grills is 5 figures. And I reckon if they want to come in, they will even if with grills..
so far, all comments are that, it is so much nicer without grills...

akiyoshi
10-09-2011, 09:03 PM
Not 100%, will only delay & notify the owner of intruder or give time for owner to take appropriate action.

If looking for a small dog to keep indoor, suggest Miniature Schnauzers - alert and spirited, yet obedient to command thus excellent watchdogs. They are often guarded towards strangers until the owners of the home welcome the guest. Hair/fur wise they shed very minimal, generally unnoticeable.

Downside is these highly spirited dogs need plenty of exercises.

Training of dogs takes about 2 month with re-fresher course for both owner & dog every 18 mths to 2 yrs.

Is this training specific to Miniature Schnauzers only ? How about mongrels ?

Mat Bruce
11-09-2011, 11:31 AM
Is this training specific to Miniature Schnauzers only ? How about mongrels ?


I think mongrels can be trained too, right?

Hiliary
11-09-2011, 12:56 PM
I think mongrels can be trained too, right?

Of course. Apart from a specific breeds genetic traits a dog is a dog. A pack animal that is truly happy when it has something useful to do such as what it’s owner requires.
There is nothing wrong with a mongrel, and mongrels will train their owners just as easily as a breed will.

Pedigree - expensive animal likely to have “bred in” mental and physical health issues or prone to disease, short life span, high cost maintenance. Desirable as puppies as you know what it will look like in as an adult.

Mongrel - cheap animal likely to have excellent immunity to disease, long life span, low cost maintenance. Hard to say what a pup will look like when grown.
Every time i see a handsome stray i think, i wish i could have found him when he was a pup.
Until recently i always had pedigree black Labs (great working and hunt dogs in countries where you can own a gun, how very sensible), never had one reach 7 years of age. Once had a mongrel collie-x from a UK dogs home who had a fantastic temperament and he lived till 19.

tupai
11-09-2011, 01:28 PM
had dogs since i was knee high...and if u guys think our malaysian dogs are so-dastardly called 'Pariah' or Mongrel...know this ye Blur Sotong and see the features!

Google malayan Telomian dog and CRY ye a river!

The telomian is the best Hunting dog, we have ever owned since i was a wee child! These mongrel are smart, alert, savvy and instinctively know how to corner the raging wild boars...very unlike the expensive yet stupid kwai-lo hunting hounds which tend to gungho charge directly at the cornered tusky boar! U dont have to guess to know which emerged the bloodied winner...

Go get a local so-called pariah or mongrel pup from paws/spca. ANy dog esp pup can be trained. Any blur sotong can do it too...just have patience, it is a dog and it wanna also to please ye lah! :p

Yang Amat Beloving dogs & bitches TIU xlatotupai

p/s Ok...i googled and found this
http://www.picsearch.com/pictures/Animals/Dog%20Breeds/Dog%20Breeds%20So-Z/Telomian.html

look familiar??? :D :D

pp/s...KISAH BENAR Oscar was a black & white, Mixed Telomian. His almost blondie colour mum (originally an abandoned bitch in ss2) was called Mui-mui and she understood only hokkien & canto. Oscar took instructions in English :p Both mum & son served us faithfully for some 12-15years old! Oscar once defended our family home in ss1 against a knife wielding robber...guess who won :p

DarkNite
11-09-2011, 02:08 PM
I think mongrels can be trained too, right?
Yes, training is easier when they are about 6mths to 1 yr.

cskok8
11-09-2011, 04:46 PM
There is nothing wrong with a mongrel, and mongrels will train their owners just as easily as a breed will.


Did you really mean that? I thought only cats train their owners/servants

tupai
12-09-2011, 01:17 PM
Did you really mean that? I thought only cats train their owners/servants

NEVER ever underestimate the power of a pussy and a bitch!

Venture forth with thy eyes open BIG BIG ! :eek:

Yang Ada Bitch ToonIstimewaUtama xlatotupai :cool:

Mat Bruce
13-09-2011, 11:52 AM
I heard that thieves uses meat embedded with rat poison to kill the dog. Can we train the dog to only eat from the bowl? possible? must surely be difficult to resist food, especially a nice chunk of meat and the animal instinct...

DarkNite
13-09-2011, 01:25 PM
I heard that thieves uses meat embedded with rat poison to kill the dog. Can we train the dog to only eat from the bowl? possible? must surely be difficult to resist food, especially a nice chunk of meat and the animal instinct...
That's where the early training and conditioning comes into play (and to some certain extent breed.)

Another thing to note certain breed like golden retriever have a tendency to be friendly to EVERYBODY including strangers.

Hiliary
13-09-2011, 01:39 PM
Sounds like you have not owned a dog before?
Dogs become part of the family, if you have children there is a good chance they will become attached to the dog, as may you. It takes a cold heart to resist a good dog.

if you want a trained guard you might be better off renting one of the 2 leg variety.

Or lobby for private gun ownership. Now that makes sense to me, i miss my guns, i miss being able to hunt whenever i want. But i do not miss the freezing water, snow, fast food etc

Mat Bruce
13-09-2011, 04:03 PM
Of course. Apart from a specific breeds genetic traits a dog is a dog. A pack animal that is truly happy when it has something useful to do such as what it’s owner requires.
There is nothing wrong with a mongrel, and mongrels will train their owners just as easily as a breed will.

Pedigree - expensive animal likely to have “bred in” mental and physical health issues or prone to disease, short life span, high cost maintenance. Desirable as puppies as you know what it will look like in as an adult.

Mongrel - cheap animal likely to have excellent immunity to disease, long life span, low cost maintenance. Hard to say what a pup will look like when grown.
Every time i see a handsome stray i think, i wish i could have found him when he was a pup.
Until recently i always had pedigree black Labs (great working and hunt dogs in countries where you can own a gun, how very sensible), never had one reach 7 years of age. Once had a mongrel collie-x from a UK dogs home who had a fantastic temperament and he lived till 19.


thinking of a mongrel mix from SPCA..like you say 'tahan lasak'....just worry that they eat rubbish and cannot be trained..

kewo
14-09-2011, 09:23 AM
thinking of a mongrel mix from SPCA..like you say 'tahan lasak'....just worry that they eat rubbish and cannot be trained..

I think every dog would eat rubbish if you leave the rubbish on the floor, not only mongrels. And eventhough they are mongrels, they don't lack the inteligence. I'm a proud owner of an adopted 3 month old mongrel mix something etc etc puppy. He already knows how to "sit" and stop whatever he is doing if I say "no". No spanking training required :)

Mat Bruce
14-09-2011, 10:31 AM
I think every dog would eat rubbish if you leave the rubbish on the floor, not only mongrels. And eventhough they are mongrels, they don't lack the inteligence. I'm a proud owner of an adopted 3 month old mongrel mix something etc etc puppy. He already knows how to "sit" and stop whatever he is doing if I say "no". No spanking training required :)


wow, only 3 months...I am going SPCA this week..

amy_melanie
15-09-2011, 12:51 AM
thinking of a mongrel mix from SPCA..like you say 'tahan lasak'....just worry that they eat rubbish and cannot be trained..


Mongrels have a bad rap. I adopted a gorgeous 4 mth old pup from PAWS in April and within 2 weeks, she learnt her name, "Come", "Sit" and "No". :D I believe that the lineage of a dog does not determine it's intelligence. It's the dedication and love of the owner that makes a great dog. :)

Mat Bruce
15-09-2011, 01:43 AM
Mongrels have a bad rap. I adopted a gorgeous 4 mth old pup from PAWS in April and within 2 weeks, she learnt her name, "Come", "Sit" and "No". :D I believe that the lineage of a dog does not determine it's intelligence. It's the dedication and love of the owner that makes a great dog. :)


Haha...my image of a mongrel is pariah dog and most of them are strays that live on the the street, kinda of gangster dog..

tupai
15-09-2011, 01:32 PM
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Mat Bruce
15-09-2011, 08:37 PM
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You train your dog to ride with you on the bike?